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[–]Kulhu 74 points75 points ago

Higher Resolution: http://i.imgur.com/nR1HR.jpg

[–]pieguyfry22 42 points43 points ago

You're doing Gaia's work, son.

[–]blueone11 11 points12 points ago

"Mother nature always wins"

Apparently not at chess

[–]winterspoon 2 points3 points ago

The depiction of this chessboard is missing a fourth dimension, inclusion of which would certainly show nature "winning" by the end of the game...

[–]pieguyfry22 5 points6 points ago

Something like crumbling skyscrapers and broken roads, monuments covered in moss and streets flooded with swamp water. Sort of like the History Channel series Life After People.

[–]Reaperdude97 0 points1 point ago

what if we turn earth in to a curacant type planet from star wars? DIE MOTHER NATURE DIE!

[–]DivineTesticles 0 points1 point ago

Coruscant*

[–]Billtodamax 0 points1 point ago

Shit man, her pieces can't even move.

[–]tothesea 0 points1 point ago

This is what I came here for.

[–]Proditus 74 points75 points ago

Well this seems pretty one-sided

[–]GRISTLE_MISSILE 22 points23 points ago

What they aren't telling you is that the trees are Ents and the King is Treebeard.

[–]a-manza 0 points1 point ago

I was waiting for someone to say that.

[–]winterd 1 point2 points ago

I'm sure if we all looked a little deeper into this, we would find this issue isn't so...

black and white

[–]skarface6 0 points1 point ago

Captain Planet, he's our hero!

[–]SoapInTheD-Hole 0 points1 point ago

I dont know. Mother nature has a lot of tricks up her sleeve!

[–]Zoccihedron 15 points16 points ago

It is hard to win a game of chess if your pieces cannot move.

[–]ChaosTheorist 5 points6 points ago

On the positive side, you can't lose!

[–]DuckingTape 5 points6 points ago

Well...geting runned over by a bulldozer seems pretty close to losing in my opinion...

[–]robopuppycc 0 points1 point ago

Life, UHHHHHHHHHH, finds a way.

[–]Mzsickness 0 points1 point ago

Chaos theory

[–]random_digital -1 points0 points ago

I was thinking the nature side of the board should have earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, etc.

[–]TheMightyMush 8 points9 points ago

Who died and made Oak king?

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 155 points156 points ago

Demonizing the lumber industry is fucking stupid, and there's a reason that environmentalists shifted their focus from lumber to other fields in the 90s - because it became apparent to the average american that most of the lumber harvesting being done was coming from extremely fast-growing American pine, which we have hundreds of thousands of square miles of right in our heartland, and grows as fast as we can cut it down. We have so much lumber that we can't use it all and import it everywhere, and it still grows faster than we can use it. Redwood 'harvesting' got played up a lot, as did the clearcutting of the rainforest, but the environmentalist movement left out the part where any lumber harvested as a result of those operations was secondary to their primary focus, which was creating room for city growth. The protests eventually did get government protection and now heritage forests in the US are protected under the law. Any modern lumber operations are as green-conscious as you can get. And we can't just 'not cut down lumber'. We use lumber for close to fucking everything, and recycled paper/wood can only get us so far.

tl;dr - american lumber harvesting is part of that sustainable living we keep hearing so much about.

edit; made my tl'dr a little less condescending, sorry

[–]Scorp63 15 points16 points ago

If I recall correctly, here in America, we actually do a very good job of sustaining our forests. Mostly because of what you said, and there are a lot of people working to constantly replant and sew more seeds in barren areas.

Shout out to ARRI

Was considering majoring in Forestry for a while. I'll always have a soft spot for it.

[–]skarface6 11 points12 points ago

Lumber companies re-forest their lands so they can cut 'em back down in a few years. Means profit + all the benefits of the forests.

[–]JoshSN -1 points0 points ago

That's a load of malarkey.

All the benefits of forests?

Well, here's one benefit they don't have dead trees. The trees are harvested and taken away. And a few 1-3 inch basal dead twigs don't count, either.

And because they are managed so carefully, fauna does not live there the same way.

Plus, and this is just a fact, industrial timber growers suck at growing Redwoods. See, redwoods like to grow up in the shade, under a, say, 25 year old stand of chinquapin or tanoak. Industrial timber companies have no interest whatsoever in these trees (they are about as shitty as you can get, for commercial purposes, twisted, hard and splits easily). So, instead, the raise knotty 80 year old redwood before they cut it down.

To be fair, they can't do it the best way possible, because the key to redwoods growing up nice, tall, and knot-free is regular fires which destroy their enemies but basically leave them untouched (a foot of bark can help like that)

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 2 points3 points ago

Most of our remaining redwood resources are protected on national forest land. Which is part of the entire point I was making. This protection was given decades ago. Yes, some redwoods are still being used for lumber, but huge swaths of redwoods are protected by state and federal laws.

My issue is the demonization of the current, active lumber industry in the US, which is almost entirely based on forest farms.

[–]RayadoEstrecho 8 points9 points ago

Demonizing the lumber industry is fucking stupid

True. They're not saints, either.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 6 points7 points ago

Granted, 100%. The lumber industry has done some fucked up things, esp. in South America and Africa where there is basically 0 regulation.

[–]Manhattan0532 29 points30 points ago

It's a renewable resource. Why don't the environmentalists love it?

[–]Zeppelanoid 4 points5 points ago

Everytime this gets posted, I forget the original context. Can someone enlighten me?

[–]whut 2 points3 points ago

Because not all environmentalists are interested in sustainability. Some have other motivations.

[–]kayende 0 points1 point ago

I classify myself as an environmentalist. And as long as forest industry is based on planting, harvesting and replanting, i have nothing against it. But a problem with some forest industry is that a lot of it is going on in countries where synergies between farming and forest industy leads to the forest just being cut down and then used for grazing land for cattle. The worst part about that is that this mostly happens in areas where the forest in question is the ever more threatened rainforest. Forest, like the fish in the sea, are only renewable resources if it is managed responsibly. To put it carefully, that is not always the case.

[–]CitizenPremier 0 points1 point ago

Because they're dumb. They think "natural" means smoking weed and driving out to the desert to play music.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk -1 points0 points ago

I know people are dekarmaing you but this is a pretty good cross-section of the bottom feeders of the environmental movement and it's pretty hard not to observe them.

[–]AvastYeBrigand -2 points-1 points ago

It's not natural. Nothing else will grow in that forest as all the light is blocked out by the branches from these fast growing trees.

[–]Manhattan0532 2 points3 points ago

It's not about natural. It's about renewable. An acre wouldn't be natural either. If environmentalists want to oppose everything that's unnatural then treefarms should be their least concern.

[–]katiebuonpane 0 points1 point ago

As a paper engineer, someone who studies deforestation on a college level I can tell you it is completely natural and good for the forests... it does things like prevent forest fire, help our CO2 intake, ensure that forest species are protected, it also ensures that we have clean water. And no paper company clear cuts like this, they are all cut down in shifts in order to keep the forests healthy. We actually plant 3 to 4 times more trees then we cut down.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk -1 points0 points ago

There's a lot of shit that isn't natural. The computer/smartphone you're using to browse reddit isn't natural. It's necessary for the continued progression of the society that makes your life easy enough that you can spend time complaining about this on the internet rather than staving off cholera and trying not to starve to death.

The issue is sustainable and renewable resources, which lumber is one of. If we can continue to grow lumber at a rate equal to the rate we harvest it, then we don't have to go to the actual natural forests and cut them down too.

[–]tntncsu 6 points7 points ago

Thats pretty one sided - Sure some lumber companies are sustainable and Americans are reliant on their products, but a large percentage also avoid the environmental controls set up to keep the forests healthy.

There are issues with logging other than the trees. The watershed is damaged with clear cutting and it increases the risks of mudslides. Reforestation is great, but not when its a mono-culture and the undergrowth is sprayed prior to planting. Old growth cutting is no longer an issue because there are almost no old growth groves left.

tl;dr - some lumber industries do an ok job at being sustainable, but its a pretty complex issue to summarize in a paragraph on reddit.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk -1 points0 points ago

We might not agree on this issue, but I think we can both agree that it's also a pretty complex issue to summarize in a picture that makes lumberjacks out to be captain planet villains.

[–]JoshSN 1 point2 points ago

Since he didn't tntncsu didn't do that, I can only assume you are referring to the chess set.

In the chess set, the lumberjacks are just pawns.

I am going to guess you know enough about chess to make the necessary connections that, in fact, the image is not making lumberjacks out to be Captain Planet Villains, either.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk -1 points0 points ago

Yes, they're pawns at the behest of... their vehicles????????????

You are not making a very good case for the message the picture is trying to relay.

[–]JoshSN 0 points1 point ago

You are right.

I could extend it by saying that guys in suits wouldn't look meaningful on a set like that and the player is behind it all.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

To which i would reply that 'it's just a poorly thought out painting'.

[–]SmileAndNod64 5 points6 points ago

Thanks for posting this. Good to know.

Still worried about clear cutting and the like in other countries though.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 5 points6 points ago

Yeah, clear-cutting in the Amazon is a problem mostly because those trees are old-growth and there's much less strict standards towards conservation in Brazil. We need to get rubber from somewhere, and cities need to expand, but when you're not bothering with replanting efforts and you escalate operations as the price of rubber sinks, you create an unsustainable clusterfuck in the cradle of life. It's f'd up, and if that's what the above image was trying to represent I'd be 100% about it. But it's clearly north american lumberjacks cutting down north american trees. It's demonizing the wrong people in the wrong industry.

[–]barwhal 3 points4 points ago

Not to mention that, without the incentive of turning a profit every few years, people who own forested areas have no reason not to sell their land into development. Cutting down mature trees is a renewable process; clearcutting and building a subdivision is not.

[–]Buscat 4 points5 points ago

The thing that bothers me as an environmentalist is that forestry industry managed tree plantations are not forests, but this distinction does not exist in the eyes of many. They're close, and they provide some benefits, but people need to stop thinking that they're equivalent and that there's no reason to protect unexploited old-growth forests because "we already have plenty of forests".

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

This is true, but the tree plantations of today, with all their problems, are the compromise that allows the slow engine of progress to continue moving forward while doing as little damage to the environment as possible. Short of relying on eugenics to dim our population or reverting ourselves to luddites, we are kind of short on options in the department of 'alternatives to lumber'. We could start building everything out of concrete, but there's only so much rock and quarries aren't super environmental safe, either.

[–]Buscat 0 points1 point ago

aye I didn't say I hate them or anything. Just that I do have a legitimate beef with them, or rather, with the perception of them as being actual forests.

[–]Iamadinocopter 20 points21 points ago

cutting down the rain-forests is a very very bad thing though.

[–]blob-dob-11 2 points3 points ago

I'm curious to know why the rainforests are being cut down if other countries have plentiful supplies?

[–]Iamadinocopter 2 points3 points ago

Well the forests are being cut for the people to get farmland and to sell the wood from valuable trees.

unfortunately the rainforest sustains an enormous population of life most of which is unidentified. The forests also help cool the earth and bring oxygen back into the atmosphere. Cutting them releases the stored carbon.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 2 points3 points ago

Two reasons for the Amazon, rubber trees and a lack of space. Sustainable tree farming for rubber hasn't really caught on down there and the governments are extremely slow to legislate since a huge chunk of their economy is tied up in it, and beyond that I imagine from the standpoint of an outsider the Amazon is great, but from the standpoint of a person living in a country that is taken up 50% by rainforest it's probably pretty obnoxious. The younger generation in Brazil seems to be genuinely interested in conservation, but try to explain to the older generation why the trees matter when housing and energy costs are fucking atrocious and the cities get more overcrowded every day.

It's an extremely complicated issue. It can't be boiled down with a (admittedly well-painted) painting.

[–]kayende 0 points1 point ago

Partly because the types of wood you get from it are regarded as high-grade and can be sold with very good margins. Wood from the rainforest typically becomes garden-furniture in the first world.

[–]Clayburn 2 points3 points ago

While this is perfectly true, I don't think the post is anti-lumber. It's commenting about the destruction of natural habitats to make room for development. In real life, we only deforest when we need the land for something better. Lumber mostly comes from farms.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

The issue is that the scenario depicted in the image is mostly nonexistent in a modern context. Most of the land around population centers was clear cut ages ago to make room for farms and roads. We're not exactly using slash and burn deforest operations on a day to day basis in North America.

I won't deny that this shit is happening in the Amazon right now, but it's not a jungle in that picture and the context doesn't exactly seem brazillian. The only vibe I get from the picture is an artist with his heart in the right place but a lack of understanding on the issue. This is pretty typical of modern environmentalists and it's a big part of why the environmental movement has lost so much credibility. In the 80s and 90s environmentalism was huge. Now you say global warming in a crowded room and people start yapping like little dogs. When you muddle your message so much and let people who are visibly ignorant speak for it, you end up losing a lot of the power you had with your audience.

What I'm trying to say here is that every time you see a peta protestor wrapping themselves in cellophane or somebody talking about replacing paper with hemp, you can thank them for the ice caps melting.

[–]michaelmclees 2 points3 points ago

In addition to all this, the picture has is imagining a world where loggers just burn down the world and there's nothing to show for it. Reality is, there's a vast world to show for it, like everything you see around you in your office, home, etc...

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

We really can't live without lumber. It's not an exaggeration. Lumber is as important to our society as basic agriculture is. There is no human race without lumber.

[–]Crasser 1 point2 points ago

I never knew this. I feel a whole lot better about the whole lumber situation. Thank you for enlightening me, sir.

[–]HansCool 1 point2 points ago

Those are some bold assertions you got there. Is there any data that supports the claim that our lumber usage is mostly from American Pines, and that those forests regrow fast enough to keep up?

[–]JoshSN 1 point2 points ago

In some places, basically "absolutely." Trees are grown like crops.

In other places, they might take down virgin forest, in which case, definitely not, this is compounded with factors like slope aspect.

I saw a stand of 400 year old Sitka Spruce. Each seemed to be about 200 feet tall according to the forestry guy I was with. It was a couple million dollars worth of wood, easy. It was on a steep slope facing north. There is simply no way this stand would grow back anything like the way it is now after a clearcut.

[–]excommunicated 1 point2 points ago

american lumber harvesting is part of that sustainable living we keep hearing so much about.

What if I told you there are other countries?

Hows your rain forest doing?

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

That's clearly not what the image is representing.

[–]excommunicated -1 points0 points ago

No?

The little American flags on their outfits give it away? Or is it just that we're the only country that uses vehicles to remove trees?

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

Maybe it's the part where it's clearly not a tropical rainforest.

[–]excommunicated -1 points0 points ago

The grounds normally not a chess board either. It's a drawing.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

OK so you're saying that this is representation of amazon clearcutting, using northern style coniferous forests as an allegory for the amazon?

are you stupid, or just high?

[–]Thistlemanizzle 0 points1 point ago

*import it everywhere

You meant export.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, that's the word.

[–]CitizenPremier 0 points1 point ago

In fact, global warming is increasing tree growth in northern regions, and the overall color of those regions is turning to green instead of white. This means that more sunlight is being absorbed, leading to more global warming. Source.

In other words, trees can part of the problem too. People don't realize that species have no interest in protecting the status quo of the environment, and that every life form just wants to be able to spread its own genes to the furthest extent possible.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

To be fair this is a lot in part due to tree farming increasing tree density, which is the primary issue with the modern lumber industry. It's not a perfect compromise, but it's better than cutting down and destroying every ecosystem in the country.

[–]Kni7es 0 points1 point ago

Because this is just about the lumber industry? No, it's about human development vs. the environment. That's why you see power plants and heavy industry in the background. As for 'trees vs. lumberjacks,' it's a matter of playing with those archetypes in order to apply them to chess pieces, which are archetypes, and compare that to a greater struggle. You could do the same with a fleet of fishing boats and whaling vessels vs. whales, dolphins, and fish. The piece isn't just about the fishing industry, it's about how there's a conflict in our relationship with the natural world.

And if you'll pardon me, what the hell is with your tone? Are you always so hostile to environmentalists? You can have your tree farms, I'm okay with that. But understand that environmentalism is, at its core, an attempt to preserve the few wild things that remain in the world.

This planet is not here for us to turn into one giant farm suitable only for human habitation and the animals which we immediately depend on for food. To do so cheapens the quality of our very humanity when removed from any context in nature. I wish I could explain it better to you than that; I feel there's a lot we don't understand about each other, and that hampers our communication. My attitude towards nature is something I take for granted, and at times is poorly articulated.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk -1 points0 points ago

Because this is just about the lumber industry? No, it's about human development vs. the environment.

Which is why the lumber industry takes up more than 95% of the image.

As for 'trees vs. lumberjacks,' it's a matter of playing with those archetypes in order to apply them to chess pieces, which are archetypes, and compare that to a greater struggle.

Playing with those archetypes because they're like... archetypes. Man. And, you know, the struggle. Between... tree farmers who grow tree farms on land devoted to tree farming... and uh. Like. Nature.

You could do the same with a fleet of fishing boats and whaling vessels vs. whales, dolphins, and fish. The piece isn't just about the fishing industry, it's about how there's a conflict in our relationship with the natural world.

We don't need whales, dolphins and fish to build our houses. I don't know what to tell you here, man. This is an awful comparison and the basis for it seems to be 'this is another concern of the environmental movement'. We've been harvesting lumber on pretty much the same scale relative to our population since the dawn of human civilization, and modern agricultural techniques makes it have less of an environmental impact than ever before.

And if you'll pardon me, what the hell is with your tone? Are you always so hostile to environmentalists?

I'm hostile to ignorance. If the sum of your position on an issue is 'this is bad because... like... nature comes first, man' then don't bother to fucking speak about it. The image is rooted in a complete and total ignorance of the issue of lumber farming in the modern context. The lumber battle was fought and won by environmentalists more than twenty years ago. It's over. At this point it's the extremists and the stupid still fighting.

This planet is not here for us to turn into one giant farm suitable only for human habitation and the animals which we immediately depend on for food.

With all due respect, you are doing an incredible disservice to natural selection by taking that viewpoint. The survival and progress of the human race comes first, at any cost, period. I don't know what to tell you.

To do so cheapens the quality of our very humanity when removed from any context in nature.

It doesn't, because life is defined by the will to survive, not by the will to give our lives for the sake of everything around us.

Environmentalism is great because of what it means for the long term survival of our species. We should preserve what we have so we will have it as long as possible. We should seek sustainable farming methods and eat sustaintable meat and fish and use sustainable power for the sake of the continued progress of our species. Not for the sake of preserving nature for the sake of preserving nature. The environmental movement that doesn't put humans first is not an environmental movement I have any interest in being part of. The same goes for the rest of mainstream society.

If you seriously want to put your lot in with Kaczynski, by all means, put your lot in, but as long as you're chattering away on the internet I'm just going to look at you as a fool or a poser who doesn't understand the issue. Kaczynski at least had the decency to live in a hut in the woods and accept that hating progress meant living without it.

[–]NoahClaypole 0 points1 point ago

This image is not just about the lumber industry. Looking at it that way is completely linear and not at all how it is meant to be taken. True, modern industrial nations do harvest lumbar in a sustainable way now, but I don't think that is really what OP is getting at.

[–]Will_Power 0 points1 point ago

Damn straight. I just wrote this comment this morning. I'll copy/past most of it here:

Several decades ago, the U.S. Forest Service operated under a paradigm of active forest management. The forests were viewed as a public asset in the sense of it being of economic, not just intrinsic or recreation value. Many people aren't aware that the USFS is actually part of the Department of Agriculture.

The method of forest management during this time was to auction sections of the forests for harvest, subject to constraints of timber size and other factors. This practice, perhaps contrary to myth, was actually quite sustainable. Most harvesters were required to plant at least as many trees as they harvested. The relationship between the Forest Service and rural communities was generally pretty good during this time.

Because of this continual harvesting/planting, there wasn't much undergrowth buildup. That meant that if a fire started, it was easier to fight, and when fires started, the policy was to put them out because timber sales helped both the public and private sectors.

The shift away from this modus operandus had two primary causes, which I observed firsthand in the 80s. One was something of a philosophical change in the Forest Service. There was a belief that too many natural cycles were being interrupted via the prevailing approach. For example, some types of trees need fire to open up the cones and let out the seed (or so I was told at the time; I don't know if this is true or not). There was pressure to leave more and more areas untouched because of habitat concers for species like the Spotted Owl. So there were internal policy shifts happening, and a new guard was replacing the old.

The other factor was from outside the Forest Service. The growing environmentalist movement was finding they could exercise a lot of pressure via the courts. They saw the horrific results of clear-cutting in the Pacific Northwest and feared the same would result everywhere. Though well intentioned, they generally missed the difference in management practice conducted by the Forest Service and the replanting efforts by the harvesters.

I should note at this point also that some of the more extreme groups had motives beyond protecting the environment. Some groups, like the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, are committed to seeing rural town in Southern Utah go away and for the entire region to be untouched, unmanaged wilderness.

The method employed by the environmental groups was pretty straighforward. They would wait for the Forest Service to make a timber sale, then challenge the sale in court. They knew they would likely fail, and they most often did, but that didn't matter. The court process takes several years. By the time a judge finally ruled in favor of the timber sale, the harvesters were already out of business. I saw this happen repeatedly.

The response to this by the Forest Service was to offer smaller sales in areas often dictated to them by some of the environmental groups. At the same time, their own internal bureaucracy was growing more and more cumbersome, so timber sales were taking longer and longer to set up. Further, their own regulations set a minimum bid price (think of it as a reserve price in an online auction) that must be met for each sale.

The harvesters, meanwhile, found it unprofitable to mobilize to the sites being offered for bid given the reduced potential revenue from the small sites. Today, many of the timber auctions get no bids at all.

Throughout the whole hoopla, the deadfall kept accumalting. When fires would start, they burned hotter, were harder to get to, and spread larger than before. In order to prevent fires, controlled burns (which sometimes became anything but controlled) were utilized as a tool to prevent wildfire. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Forest Service was now paying employees to burn down the forest instead of collecting revenue from fire sales.

In the 90s, at least in the region in I live, the bark beetle arrived. The foresters at the Forest Service identified it while there were still very few and put in place a plan to eradicate it. You can probably guess what happened next. Internal dithering at the Forest Service and outside pressure from environmentalists without a solid understanding of forestry combined into glorious inaction. The beetles spread. My favorite forest from my youth is now an ugly tinderbox.

I won't lie. This has turned a great many people in my region into environmentalist haters. I am surprised at times that the few self-proclaimed environmentalists in this area haven't had their houses burned down.

For my part, I don't hate environmentalists, but I do hate their religious zeal when it comes to things they really don't understand. I also hate the bureaucratic nightmare the FS has become.

The thing that really galls me, though, is the CO2 issue. The very same people who cry about CO2 emissions don't seem to mind the billowing towers of smoke from our forests every summer. They don't get that they are part of the problem. We could be harvesting enough biomass from dying forests every year to displace a good amount of coal burning if they would let it happen. They hyprocrisy pushes me to the edge.

[–]JoshSN -2 points-1 points ago

As someone who lived in and around Redwood clearcuts during the 1990s, fuck you for being such a fucking liar.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk -1 points0 points ago

Except the redwoods are protected now and that's not happening anymore AND I addressed it in the post you clearly didn't read. Almost all commercial lumber in the US and Canada comes from tree farms now. Old growth forests are almost entirely protected land.

[–]JoshSN 1 point2 points ago

So, when you wrote:

Redwood 'harvesting' got played up a lot,

what timeframe, in the past, were you referring to?

[–]Dirkef88 -1 points0 points ago

Agreed, but if there was no environmental outcry, do you actually think the industry would have become enviro-friendly and sustainable all on its own? Demonizing is hyperbolic, but criticism is necessary.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 0 points1 point ago

Criticism is absolutely necessary. But the difference between the environmental outcry of the 1980s and the environmental outcry of today is an actual understanding of the issue, and an issue existing in the first place. The mainstream environmental movement has moved on from lumber because lumber is no longer a relevant issue. The old growth forests in the US and Canada are protected, the trees that the lumber industry uses are coming from sustainable tree farms and while the situation isn't 100% environment friendly, there is a general recognition that lumberjacking and the lumber industry are necessary for the progress of civilization. It's a sustainable compromise.

When you reach middle ground, continuing to push just makes you look petty. And when you're pushing against something that is necessary for the continued progress of mankind, you just look like a fucking crazy person. When the rest of the environmental movement moved on, people like Ted Kaczynski were running around lumber farms spiking trees and mailing people pipe bombs. If you can't figure out what I'm implying with this, I'm implying that the person behind the above image falls into one of two camps - he's either too stupid to understand the lumber issue, or he's fucking crazy.

[–]ALkatraz919 4 points5 points ago

Why is the queen represented by a sheepsfoot roller? It's not considered logging equipment.

[–]TotallyNotAnAlien 0 points1 point ago

How are the knights planing on "jumping over" anything?

[–]IceJava 27 points28 points ago

I think it's pretty safe to say that we know the outcome of this.

[–]MyHappySandwich 11 points12 points ago

The trees will not move because they are inanimite objects and maybe a few enviromentalists will come cheer them on but they will still lose to superior technology?

[–]pineapplol 8 points9 points ago

Castles are also inanimate. Chess isn't known for its realism.

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 47 points48 points ago

The trees are all pines, being replanted off-camera. Environmentalists spike the trees, one of the lumberjacks loses an arm and his job. He comes home, unable to work, living on government disability. His wife eventually leaves him because they can't pay the bills and she can't handle the stress. Three years later he takes out his old 38 and puts a bullet in his head.

By the time he killed himself all the trees his company had cut down have already replanted and fully grown, because they're fast growing pine, the foundation of the American lumber industry, you fucking assholes.

[–]yourtrustyfapsock 6 points7 points ago

takes out his old .38

FTFY

[–]Necrotroph 6 points7 points ago

[–]Bel_Marmaduk 2 points3 points ago

Look, the man was a german rail artillery operator before he became a lumberjack. All walks of life, man. All walks.

[–]MadMageMC 10 points11 points ago

That... escalated quickly.

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[–]dsclouse 0 points1 point ago

Keep on fighting the good fight!

[–]bjw88 5 points6 points ago

The trees will win because all the humans will die before a tree gets up and moves to the other space, thus preventing the machines from taking more than one move.

[–]GRISTLE_MISSILE 0 points1 point ago

Unless the trees are Ents.

[–]Mixed-Signals 0 points1 point ago

One game would take a thousand years.

[–]knowone572 23 points24 points ago

Shouldn't the pawns for nature be a bunch of hippies?

[–]pruittmckean 14 points15 points ago

[–]cloral 1 point2 points ago

Hey, at least they'd be able to move... unlike the trees.

[–]MadMageMC 4 points5 points ago

Maybe they're Tolkien's Ents?

[–]thesandbar2 2 points3 points ago

So when the hippies get to the other side of the board they turn into trees...

Weird!

[–]daguy11 2 points3 points ago

The problem here is that all human controlled pieces have the mobility of a queen, while all nature controlled pieces have the mobility of a pawn dunked in gorilla glue.

[–]fluffy402 2 points3 points ago

Dead serious right now. I have never seen a single place that looks like the left side, but live in 10000 square miles of the right side.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

FAKE

[–]chubasco 4 points5 points ago

Seems like the pieces that aren't rooted deeply into the ground might actually have an advantage. Because movement.

[–]TrueMilli 5 points6 points ago

Nature fucking sucks at this game.

[–]LandsharkRAWR 6 points7 points ago

sooo, is this saying deforestation happens for no reason other than fuck trees?

[–]skarface6 13 points14 points ago

I think it says that the artist knows nothing of logging except what was learned from watching Captain Planet as a child.

[–]dsclouse 5 points6 points ago

[–]madkiwi 0 points1 point ago

His partner had a hearty lol

[–]dsclouse 0 points1 point ago

That's my my favorite part of that gif. You can see the partner just loses it.

[–]Dinokknd 1 point2 points ago

Oak to d3.

[–]Gratlofatic 1 point2 points ago

You can see where the spawn protection ends...

[–]revolting_blob 1 point2 points ago

it's pretty shitty that all the trees are literally rooted in their places and have no chance of any kind of defense strategy :(

[–]c_mulk 1 point2 points ago

That's just unfair! The trees can't even move!

[–]Kow102 1 point2 points ago

I guess that's where the spawn protection ends.

[–]lukedoyle24 1 point2 points ago

I hope nature wins

[–]skevimc 1 point2 points ago

Nature will always win. Perhaps not in our lifetime. But nature doesn't live in our time.

[–]TastyRoss 1 point2 points ago

Dammit, why are there cooling towers spewing pollution in the background? Putting aside the fact that demonizing the logging industry is incredibly short sighted, nuclear cooling towers produce steam, not ambiguous brown smoke.

[–]heymrk 4 points5 points ago

Except that timber cheats. Cheats like Medvih.

[–]ALL_THE_MONEY 3 points4 points ago

I'd buy a real chess board like this but only if the pawns for nature were spiders, which is natures best defense against man.

[–]jicty 4 points5 points ago

The ents are just thinking about their first move, it may take awhile but they will win.

[–]idontremembermyuname 5 points6 points ago

For a second I thought you were talking about the pot loving segment of reddit and I thought "No they won't."

Then J.R.R.T. popped into my head and I concurred.

[–]isJohnny 2 points3 points ago

I hope the humans win

[–]x3nopon 1 point2 points ago

The picture shows a typical North American deciduous forest being razed by evil white lumberjacks to support big lumber and their evil coal powerplants (hey they are in the background, I didn’t draw it). As others have posted, forest are extremely well managed in NA and deforestation is not an issue. Even more to the point, the trees they primarily harvest are fast growing softwoods which get continually replanted is a sustainable manner.

Deforestation is a problem for tropical rainforests in 3rd world countries, but that has nothing in common with what is shown in the picture. It's not even the lumber industry chopping down the rainforest, its mostly farmers making more land to support their 17 children.

[–]ScomberomorusCavalla 0 points1 point ago

Nature's strongest move would of course be to respond with the Sicilian Defence (1. . . c5). Not sure how easy that'll be with a tree though.

[–]Afropenguin 0 points1 point ago

Just makes me think of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 for some reason.

[–]Olivi-a-Green 0 points1 point ago

This would be even more interesting if the some of the trees looked like Ents...

[–]Your_Jaws_My_Balls 0 points1 point ago

Wonder who is going to win this one? lol

[–]myusernamebarelyfits 0 points1 point ago

Nature, you couldn't win with Bobby Fischer in your corner.

[–]BlastMeBagpipes 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, like nature is this peaceful. GTFO!

[–]brningpyre 0 points1 point ago

Trees lose.

[–]dbagexterminator 0 points1 point ago

Ill spoil it, nature loses

[–]DemonMuffins 0 points1 point ago

Douglas Fir to D4

[–]TempusMn 0 points1 point ago

It should be bears and mountain lions with Uzis instead of trees. "There is unrest in the forest..."

[–]Mylon 0 points1 point ago

While I find this picture amazing pretty, I disagree with the message.

[–]Clayburn 0 points1 point ago

Spoiler: Nature loses.

[–]kinglime 0 points1 point ago

This would make an awesome videogame.

[–]thecarrotdude 0 points1 point ago

This picture makes sense (sarcasm)

[–]SovietWinter 0 points1 point ago

Your move nature.

[–]alecv26 0 points1 point ago

"How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just doing what comes naturally."

[–]PabloEdvardo 0 points1 point ago

WTB 1440p version of this

[–]gage117 0 points1 point ago

Little do we know, the nature side is all pawns, while the industrial side composes of entirely queens.

[–]Danzeru 0 points1 point ago

Is the fact that black went first suppose to symbolise Nature's haplessness in this situation? I'm confused...

[–]MrElliot 0 points1 point ago

It's clear to see that nature, is very bad at chess.

[–]justwtf 0 points1 point ago

I would pay so much money for a chess set modeled after this.

[–]ninekeysdown 0 points1 point ago

I would play the fuck out of this game... if it were a game... is it a game?

[–]Hougaiidesu 0 points1 point ago

Thats stupid, how are the trees supposed to fight the machines?

[–]Gerganon 0 points1 point ago

Mother nature wins this game 10 times out of 10. She just plays for the end-game.

[–]DarkKnight2k6 0 points1 point ago

Dual Sight on HotS looks awesome!

[–]throwaway-o 0 points1 point ago

Ha, we pwn them!

[–]sedatedsloth 0 points1 point ago

This reminds me a little of this Alex Grey piece, Gaia.

[–]_1234567_ 0 points1 point ago

At first I was amazed at how great it looked, then I was super depressed.

[–]rhinorocan 0 points1 point ago

Ask Alice

[–]Beta-Minus 0 points1 point ago

[–]CommentsOnPostsAsArt 0 points1 point ago

A classic juxtaposition of man vs. nature.

The barren, industrialized land contrasts against the lush green of nature, divided by a cracking line.

The men and machines, devastating and impressive, approach the firmly rooted, awe-inspiring trees. The trees, infinitely larger, are infinitely less agile - ironically unable to move due to their strong rooted foundation.

Truly chilling.

[–]jonnielaw 0 points1 point ago

Jesus, so many comments and I need to start this? Okay.

I can see this post becoming real poplar, like fir real...

[–]Ares24 0 points1 point ago

Greenpeace logo removed. mk.

[–]marishtar 0 points1 point ago

Those teams are definitely not balanced.

[–]k4kowalick 0 points1 point ago

That power plant is on the wrong side of this picture.

[–]Demojen 0 points1 point ago

Nature plays chess like a three year old. With that........

Checkmate

[–]RPrevolution 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, fuck industry, let's try to feed 7 billion people by distributing food by horse /s

[–]cwcriner 0 points1 point ago

so any idea who drew/created it?

[–]c0nundrummer 0 points1 point ago

anyone have a high res of this? would like it as a background

[–]nahojjjen 1 point2 points ago

Another person already commented on a high res version.

[–]Imperial_puppy 0 points1 point ago

this needs to be wallpaper sized.

do want!

[–]MadMageMC 1 point2 points ago

[–]mjpunk -2 points-1 points ago

Lettuce hope nature can checkmate.

[–]lobstercombine 0 points1 point ago

I'm afraid they are in grove danger.

[–]Arcturisthebear 1 point2 points ago

No. No more goddamn pun threads. I'm leafing.

[–]brett84c 0 points1 point ago

It's not all bad... they'll replant some when the landscaping crews come in

[–]Ihateyourdick 0 points1 point ago

Huh, so the bulldozers and shit are the white side.

[–]BeaverManiac 0 points1 point ago

False. White always goes first.

[–]ascottmccauley 0 points1 point ago

Actually, judging solely on the trees and my thoughts that the tree on the left is the King (based mostly on its fragility), then the trees are actually counter-intuitively black.

EDIT: (duh, didn't notice the squares on the logging side, small screen)

[–]dantepicante 0 points1 point ago

Well Monty Python did tell me that lumberjacks are queens.

[–]ASkellington 0 points1 point ago

This is very one sided. Nature has some very dangerous pieces as well that don't show up here. The wind, water and lightning come to mind. And they are much stronger then our knights or bishops.

[–]NotSelfReferential 0 points1 point ago

I don't think the trees are gonna win. They can't move.

[–]DocTomoe 1 point2 points ago

Per definition, chess does not know "can't move". So, the game is a draw, more specifically a stalemate.

[–]NotSelfReferential 0 points1 point ago

Your clock would just run out sillypants

[–]mills218 -2 points-1 points ago

I really love pictures like this. The dystopia vs. utopia contrast is amazing.

[–]keke_kekobe -1 points0 points ago

Dota. It looks like Dota.

[–]jyz002 -2 points-1 points ago

This makes me sad

[–]dsclouse 2 points3 points ago

That's because you are ignorant of how false this picture is when compared to reality. *hug

[–]drivers205 -2 points-1 points ago

Made this my wallpaper, awesome.

[–]mrseldowski -1 points0 points ago

Fucking nature, all asymmetrical and shit.

[–]Lazerpig -1 points0 points ago

If your chess pieces can't move, you're going to be playing at a real disadvantage.

[–]FatGirlRodeo -1 points0 points ago

I want to play this game.

[–]JBomm -1 points0 points ago

The artist clearly doesn't know how a chess board is set up. The tractor side is all messed up

[–]thekfish -1 points0 points ago

[–]juicycrawfish -1 points0 points ago

Downvoters don't know how to play chess.

[–]Rhodon -1 points0 points ago

This is so cool!

[–]funguy80 -1 points0 points ago

This picture is great. I just feel like the elite bastards that run this show are gonna have there cake and eat it too.... (Agenda 21)

[–]ndchristie -1 points0 points ago

Know what nature, stop being so passive. 1. e4 Nf3 2. ... Nf5. Do it, nature. Do it. See if those loggers can hold a center.