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[–]yoyo264 19 points20 points ago

Let me just say...If you're a waiter, if you want to complain about not getting tips, don't go to reddit. Go to another waiter. Redditors, for the most part, just don't seem to understand/sympathize... AS a waiter, I would NEVER complain to a customer about not tipping. Sure, it's a douchey thing to do, but it's even douchier to say something to them. Just move on, other tables will tip, if one table's refusal to tip even factors in, you're working at the wrong restaurant... Just call it Karma...

[–]jackduluoz007 -2 points-1 points ago

First reasonable response I've seen in this thread.

[–]jraw493 3 points4 points ago

I feel the same way whenever my waiter adds on extra t's where they don't belong....wait a minute

[–]amrfixit 3 points4 points ago

I was a waiter for years in my youth. You work on the averages. I knew I was going to bring home around 15% after tipping out the other staff, bartender, bussers etc. which I was generous with. I did not expect a tip I felt if I gave great service I would get a better than average tip which I did around18% of sales. Don't anger yourself or others over a missed tip. It is a waste of time and energy. By the way it is ass clowns like you that piss off the rest of the staff. Grow up.

[–]jackduluoz007 1 point2 points ago

I agree, essentially. It still pisses you off a little when you have to pay tip share to the house based on your sales, though. It feels like that person is stealing from you. (And for those of you who don't know, in most mid- to high-end restaurants, you're required to pay a certain percentage of food and alcohol sales to the house so it can pay bartenders, hosts and bussers. So yes, if you have given good service, a non-tipper is essentially stealing). But you're right. There's very little point in getting upset about it.

[–]amrfixit 0 points1 point ago

I agree. I should not have come off with such a rightous tone, sorry. I got stiffed from time to time and it pissed me off but I did my best to shrug it off because it is hard to hide and not let it affect the rest of my tables. Best regards.

[–]ragnaROCKER 0 points1 point ago

how long ago was your youth? cause shit is rough out there

[–]amrfixit 2 points3 points ago

My youth was a long time ago and $2.01 hour wasn't crap then and is now apparently worth 40% less crap. However food prices have kept up with inflation or exceeded it. Should servers get more per hour? Yes. Is being a server a job to retire on? No. I had a great time made lots friends partied like crazy met my wife of 27 years at one place we worked. Waiting tables is for young people moving on to something better. Nobody wants a leathery old fart like me waiting on them, it might scare the kids.

[–]ragnaROCKER 0 points1 point ago

i get what you are trying you say. but just because the job can be fun and is youth focused is no reason not to be paid a living wage.

and if you have worked in the business then you know that last part isn't true. almost every place i have worked at/been to has at least one or two older people who stuck with it. they don't deserve a fair shake?

[–]justkilc 11 points12 points ago

You see the problem here is you EXPECT a tip....

[–]heyyouwtf 1 point2 points ago

I agree with your logic. I didn't tip a waiter once because he was complaining about not getting a tip from a different customer.

[–]jackduluoz007 -3 points-2 points ago

Your logic is flawed, actually. Waiters don't complain until AFTER they've been stiffed. Derp. And if you don't believe in tipping or respect what a waiter does, then go eat at McDonalds with the rest of the non-tipping douchebags.

[–]heyyouwtf 4 points5 points ago

So when I'm at a restaurant why do I have to listen to someone bitch about not getting a tip? He ruined my good time by making me and my date feel weird. If he can't handle working in a real restaurant maybe he should go work at McDonalds. Also your logic is flawed. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant chain in the world. While I agree some people are douche bags, I don't not believe that every single person that goes to McDonalds is one.

[–]MbMn91 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, I have zero problem not tipping if the server is being a douche. Do you really think anyone wants to hear you whining about a previous customer?

[–]ragnaROCKER 3 points4 points ago

servers expect a tip (assuming american) because the GOV'T EXPECTS a tip. they are allowed to be paid far below min. wage because of this. if you expect not to tip, don't go to a place where you are supposed to.

[–]jackduluoz007 1 point2 points ago

Thank you ragna! My point exactly. I even leave a ten to fifteen percent tip when I'm dissatisfied with the service. I may tell the server, but I never outright stiff someone.

[–]retiredknight 2 points3 points ago

they are allowed to be paid far below min. wage

No. If tips plus wages do not add up to minimum wage, the employer must pay the difference.

[–]ragnaROCKER 0 points1 point ago

well, that varies state to state. also, at least where i am familiar with in many places around NE america, there are a lot of dirty tricks to get around this.

the most common example i've found is to have a base "service quality", which goes like this: if you aren't making enough to make min by the end of the week or whatever and your company has to pick it up, the management takes that to mean that you are either not up to snuff or lying about your tip report.

happens 2-3 times and you are gone.

and the even more fucked up part is that you are an "at-will" employee which means you can be terminated at any time for no reason. couple this with the fact that serving has a HUGE turnover rate and the effort to speak up about this becomes a losing proposition. also, unless you hide a recorder or something this is super hard to prove.

and many times "just get another job" is not really an option as serving is the job you get when you are looking or can't find another means of employment.

i guess my point would be, you have no idea what most of the people who serve you go through. just fucking tip.

[–]Noprize 0 points1 point ago

My wife is currently a server and we always tip, but i'll tell you the same thing I tell her when she complains about someone not tipping. There will always be people who don't tip and there's always a reason for it. That reason may or may not have anything to do with the service or even the customer's dining experience in general, but it's an unavoidable part of being a server to have to deal with those people. If you can't handle that there are ALWAYS other jobs that pay equivalently to what an average server makes including tips. And if you are fortunate or good enough to do better than average then the occassional non-tipper isn't going to break you in the long run.

[–]ragnaROCKER 0 points1 point ago

i can appreciate the zen part of that, but simply because people do fucked up things is not a reason to be cool with people doing fucked up things.

there are many thieves in this world, should i let it go when someone steals from me?

edit: also, read your last sentence again. if you are better or more lucky then average then it shouldn't matter? what about all the people that make up the average?

[–]Noprize 0 points1 point ago

What i'm saying is people who don't leave tips is just a part of the job, like working a commision job where you lose money if someone returns something you sold them. It's gonna happen and the people that do it aren't necessarily jerks. Usually there's a reason behind it. But in any job where your income is dependent on customers you can either be good enough at it so that when something like this happens its not a big hit to you overall and you can let it roll off or you leave and get a job where you get a set paycheck. If you're a waiter who's not very successful then its likely you could make as much money at a regular minimum or slightly above minimum wage job anyway.

[–]retiredknight 0 points1 point ago

happens 2-3 times and you are gone.

Problem? If one server is consistently making less in tips that the others it is a pretty good sign of customer dissatisfaction.

and the even more fucked up part is that you are an "at-will" employee which means you can be terminated at any time for no reason.

Again, problem? Why should someone be forced to employ you if they choose not to?

and many times "just get another job" is not really an option as serving is the job you get when you are looking or can't find another means of employment.

Not having other options does not necessarily mean that you are qualified for a particular job.

i guess my point would be, you have no idea what most of the people who serve you go through. just fucking tip.

I do tip. If I'm dissatisfied with service I then tell the manager I will not return while that server is present.

[–]ragnaROCKER 1 point2 points ago

you don't see a problem with businesses firing people instead of paying what they should?

at-will employment itself isn't bad, but in this context it is being used as a cover for illegal business practices. a similar example would be firing someone because they are black, but evading any problems because you can make up whatever you want.

and i don't know where the qualification thing comes into it. maybe i was being unclear, in all of this i am stumping for tipping competent servers. if the server is crap, then a low to no tip should be expected by both sides.

for even passable service though, a tip should be non negotiable. it is expected socially and by the gov't. to do not so breaks a social contract. it's like stealing a library book only it is replaced by someone you don't know who also has to pay the fine for you.

edit: noticed an extra "for"

[–]HaroldOfTheRocks -1 points0 points ago

servers expect a tip (assuming american) because the GOV'T EXPECTS a tip.

As if you actually get taxed on 100% of the tips you actually get. Bullshit. You get taxed on a portion that's less than the 20% you expect, and you don't report the big cash tips from your regulars. So even if you get stiffed once in awhile, you are getting away with a lot of untaxed income, unlike the rest of us who pay our fair share.

[–]ragnaROCKER -1 points0 points ago

that is a whole lot of assumptions to make about EVERYONE in the service industry.

[–]NiceGuysFinishLast -1 points0 points ago

You expect a gratuity as a server, yes. Why? Because that's how the service industry in America is structured. In Europe, they pay servers a fair wage, and tips are minimal. In America, servers get paid shit, because employers are allowed to pay them less than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will make up the deficit. They also often have to tipout a percentage of their tips to the bussers/other waitstaff. I can say that I don't eat out without including gratuity in my expected expenses. My tips start at 20% for good service and vary widely in either direction for exceptional service (either good or bad).

[–]sandman979 1 point2 points ago

What I still don't get is why should a hard working person beg for money at his/her job. How the hell do restaurant owners get away with underpaying their employees.

Even worse is tipping at a restaurant where the owner is the actual waitress...

[–]zeta3232 1 point2 points ago

Bro I'm server as well never complain to the customer, it's karma..

[–]derpderpherpderp 2 points3 points ago

tipping is optional

[–]trickoflight 7 points8 points ago

You are a waiter, and your job is to serve the customers. Your job is not to criticize their choices or decisions, its to get them what they want. If you don't like the job description, choose another. There are currently millions of people who can't bring someone some coffee and hope for some money, but would absolutely love to, for some money.

[–]jackduluoz007 0 points1 point ago

*then

[–]jackduluoz007 -1 points0 points ago

If you have to pay a percentage of your sales to the house like you do in most restaurants, then yes sir. It is your job to be pissed about not receiving a tip when you have provided stellar service to a table. If someone can't afford to tip or they don't believe in it, them they should eat somewhere that doesn't provide table service. End of story.

[–]WeimarRepublic 4 points5 points ago

Some people tip very generously, others don't tip at all, and most tip a fair amount. It all averages out.

Complaining about a dude not tipping would be like a waiter giving me back money because I tipped too much. It's just not how it works

[–]rtphokie -1 points0 points ago

But that wouldn't allow the current and past waiters to CJ about how downtrodden they are/were as waiters and how they all tip minimum 20% now because they "know how it feels" and other fantastic claims.

[–]randoll 1 point2 points ago

i worked at mcdonalds for 4 yrs , if i don't get a tip there .. no one deserves a tip anywhere

[–]jackduluoz007 -3 points-2 points ago

Get a better job, doofus. And get a clue while you're at it -- you make minimum wage at least. Waiters don't make anything if you don't tip them. Where's the justice in that? Oh, and I'll add that most waiters work twice as hard and deserve their money, as opposed to most of the lobotomized, braindead toolbags who work in the food-industry's gutter... Which is where you work, my friend. Have no doubt about that.

[–]retiredknight 2 points3 points ago

you make minimum wage at least. Waiters don't make anything if you don't tip them.

If a waiter makes less than minimum wage after tips, the employer must make up the difference.

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

[–]spazdor 1 point2 points ago

In employment-at-will states, servers can be and are coerced into overreporting their tips to gain job security.

[–]retiredknight 0 points1 point ago

I live in an at-will employment state and have know many people who were servers at some point. Any I have known who would admit to misrepresenting their tips under-reported to decrease their tax liability.

[–]randoll -2 points-1 points ago

not sure if you're incapable of reading or just like to argue to be a dick buuut i said "worked" as in i was 16 .. so thanks for your insightful input ! also hypocrisy at it's finest ? if OP had a better job he wouldn't be concerned about his $4 tip from one table. shakes head

[–]generallyawkpenguin 0 points1 point ago

I don't have my own income, so I don't like tipping. I also live in California where waiters are paid at least minimum wage. It seems like sometimes waiters end up being paid more than chefs (of course, depending on the restaurant), which does not make sense. I find it silly that you would want to complain about not receiving a tip.

[–]TheDDDayna 0 points1 point ago

tipping isnt mandatory its a common courtesay.

[–]aguycalledluke 0 points1 point ago

In most parts of Germany you don't even tip, and even in a country as rich as Austria our tips are often only to the next round number, so like 50 cents.

[–]HideousClub 0 points1 point ago

Stop your whining. If you really want that extra 4 dollars, why don't you get a better job.

[–]imfromafrica 2 points3 points ago

Sometimes you get a crappy tip or no tip at all... but don't you just LIVE fore those days when some rich motherfucker gives a 400% tip? It happens. keep at it.

[–]NiceGuysFinishLast 0 points1 point ago

I'm not rich and sometimes leave 200% tips. Usually alcohol is involved.

[–]jackduluoz007 1 point2 points ago

Waiters work hard for their money. There would be no food industry without waiters, or it would all be shitty fast-food at least. If you get good service, then you should tip your waiter. I'd imagine that you, sir, are the person with the shitty job and subpar education if you indeed believe that verbal shit that you just posted in this thread.

[–]latableronde 1 point2 points ago

I am a redditor and this is how I downvote when I see people complaining about their jobs.

[–]jackduluoz007 -2 points-1 points ago

All of you sanctimonious trolls in this thread need to actually try and work as a waiter. If you provide good (and I stress that it has to be good) service, you have the right to expect a decent tip as a server in America. That's the only reason the work-for-tips pay scale is even legal in this country, because social convention demands that you leave a fair tip for friendly, competent and helpful waiters. Who the hell do you people think you are? Mr. Pink?

[–]retiredknight 0 points1 point ago

If you provide good (and I stress that it has to be good) service, you have the right to expect a decent tip as a server in America.

The problem there is that the waiter/waitress who walks around talking on their phone and makes you wait 15 minute for a tea refill will tell anyone who will listen that she/he provided great service and deserves a large tip.

That's the only reason the work-for-tips pay scale is even legal in this country, because social convention demands that you leave a fair tip for friendly, competent and helpful waiters.

As I posted above, the minimum wage for tipped employees included the provision that total wages plus tips must average out to the standard minimum wage.

Before you assume that I don't tip, I'll let you know that I generally tip 20% or more because most servers is my area are good to great. For poor service I will still tip 10-15%, but I'll tell the manager that I will leave if I'm ever assigned that server in the future.

[–]rtphokie -1 points0 points ago

Perhaps those who wont work as a waiter read the memo about the whole tipping thing and chose not to.

[–]bostonkid96 -1 points0 points ago

As a waiter I can sympathise with this. But wat I have come to realize is the people that don't tip usually don't realize that waiters only make wat they make in tips. But there r some that r just ducks and don't care

[–]rtphokie 0 points1 point ago

I am so tired of hearing wait staff complain about people who dont tip. Did this come as an surprise to you?

I know the eceonomy is crap and few people choose to wait tables, but this still sounds like people who move next to the airport and complain about the noise.

[–]thebadguyinlife -3 points-2 points ago

Go suck your managers dick you poor piece of shit.

[–]piffle2525 -3 points-2 points ago

NO INVALID