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[–]metalninja626 59 points60 points ago

both. That's what's scary, is that we don't have to deal with just one form of subversion, but two. Sure the argument for Huxley is obvious, and well illustrated in the link, but lets not forget that 1984 is upon us just as much as a brave new world. We have the TSA, bills like SOPA and CISPA, military drones in the sky, warrant-less wiretaps, a perpetual unconquerable faceless enemy called Terror, and hell, even doublethink and newspeak.

As much as I like dystopian cyberpunk worlds, I don't like the fact that my world seems to be heading that way.

[–]chitejin[S] 37 points38 points ago

As much as I like dystopian cyberpunk worlds, I don't like the fact that my world seems to be heading that way.

The amount of times I've seen something in the news and been like "Hey! That's just like Snow Crash! Oh shit, that's just like Snow Crash."

[–]D3cker 8 points9 points ago

"As much as I like dystopian cyberpunk worlds, I don't like the fact that my world seems to be heading that way."

I know, its becoming to real for comfort.

[–]shutta[!] 7 points8 points ago

Don't forget though, almost every protagonist in dystopian cyberpunk worlds had a somewhat interesting life and usually rebelled against something. If that happens, at least we know we'll live an interesting life of a cyberpunk protagonist.

[–]IamJacksEnnui 4 points5 points ago

we'll live an interesting life of a cyberpunk protagonist.

A shut-in who spends his days glued to a news-aggregate-site is what is now considered an interesting life? Damn, the future is bleak, lol!

[–]shutta[!] 0 points1 point ago

What I meant was, if the dystopian cyberpunk world type of future happens to us, we'll actually live the lives of our favourite protagonists.

I fully realize we're kinda in a dystopian cyberpunk future already and we live like crap, though.

[–]IamJacksEnnui 1 point2 points ago

I know, I was just trying to make a self-deprecating joke.

[–]shutta[!] 1 point2 points ago

God dammit, my sense motive checks take a huge penalty when I play RPG's way into the night/morning.

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[–]strangerzero 5 points6 points ago

It also depends a lot on where you live. An American will say Huxley was right but someone in China or North Korea might feel Orwell was right.

[–]tso 1 point2 points ago

I find myself thinking of the Incal, that i dived into recently.

[–]SharkFart 3 points4 points ago

Don't forget the NDAA.

[–]subnaree 2 points3 points ago

both

came here to say this. That image somewhat implies that we should stop worrying about the Orwellian dystopia because the Huxley one seems so much more obvious, but if you just dig into the matter a bit, you'll find out that they are just layered and essentially both in effect.

[–]Bombast_ 2 points3 points ago

I read the comic....then went to comment....then saw my comment already on the page. Not mindblowing, just makes me want to roll up in a little egg and not sleep ever again.

[–]metalninja626 0 points1 point ago

wow, i was wondering what i had a red envelope, I hadn't commented on anything recently. was not expecting a response on something a month old lol

[–]Bombast_ 2 points3 points ago

New to /r/cyberpunk....feels like a pretty good fit though.

[–]mrzack 5 points6 points ago

Huxwell.

[–]fotorobot 15 points16 points ago

Honestly, the dystopia in Brave New World doesn't seem that bad to me. Yes, life is too easy and society becomes too complacent, but we've been going down that route for a while. If we as humans wanted a more difficult life, we could always move to the wilderness or a far-off island. And that is what happens to the main protagonist of Brave New World, he just gets relocated to an island with other freethinkers like him. The protagonist in 1984 gets tortured, brainwashed, and there is strong implication that he will be killed soon.

[–]readyifyouare 2 points3 points ago

While it might not seem that bad, it is coupled with the crippling Orwellian regimes that are currently ruling the world, who are using the masses brainless drone-like existences to further their power. I'm starting to wonder if our society isn't just some massive self-fulfilling prophecy following the narratives of the great stories from the past. Thanks to the internet though, we're all unplugging from the Matrix. Change is totally possible.

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[–]readyifyouare 0 points1 point ago

fair enough.

[–]hitandmiss 3 points4 points ago

Um. I don't think you read the same copy of Brave New World that I did. My copy says he (warning, spoilers!) was given the option to go to an island, but declined, and then was seduced into an orgy and went insane and hung himself. (end spoilers)

Better than 1984, surely, but still not a great ending.

[–]fotorobot 5 points6 points ago

spoilers

I was actually referring to Bernard, who was the main protagonist for most of the book. Bernard, Helmholtz and John are brought before Mustapha Mond, the Resident World Controller for Western Europe. Bernard and Helmholtz are told they will be exiled to islands of their choice. Mond explains that this exile is not so much a threat to force freethinkers to reform and rejoin society, as it is a chance for them to act as they please because they will not be able to influence the population. He also divulges that he too once risked banishment to an island because of some scientific experiments that were deemed controversial by the state, giving insight into his sympathetic tone. Helmholtz chooses the Falkland Islands, believing that their terrible weather will inspire his writing, but Bernard simply does not want to leave London; he struggles with Mond and is thrown out of the office. - from wikipedia

John aka "The Savage" does indeed hang himself, although I don't remember if he himself participated in the orgy and it sounded like he went a bit insane before the orgy even started. He basically tries to hide away in some abandoned lighthouse where he regularly whips himself. Then somebody spots him, and then crowds gather to watch him whip himself. He then turns on the crownd and attacks the girl that had a crush on him (who he partly disliked because she did not make it difficult enough to win her affection). Then the crowd reacted the only way they know how by having an awesome orgy. Which is by far the best way to solve any dispute, imo. And seeing how his private suffering turned was used to spark everybody's hedonistic fun, John killed himself.

[–]hitandmiss 1 point2 points ago

Whoops, I forgot that John wasn't in there till the end. Thanks for fixing my mistake. ^^;

Then the crowd reacted the only way they know how by having an awesome orgy. Which is by far the best way to solve any dispute, imo.

Made my day. Oh, goodness, tears of laughter. I think you're probably right, though. :'D

[–]psYberspRe4Dd 3 points4 points ago

Another pic similiar to this explaining both dystopia and relating them to nowadays reality: http://visualnews.columnfivemedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/orwell-huxley-world.png

(posted in /r/futurology and will be posted here at a time too by me or someone else)

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[–]a5p1r1n 0 points1 point ago

Keep the population focused on feeding its own entertainment and it won't even realize it's being controlled.

[–]tso 1 point2 points ago

In the words of an roman satirist, bread and circus. It worked then, it works now, and in so doing shows that humanity has not kept pace with technology.

[–]Gunslap 6 points7 points ago

Two of my favorite novels!

[–]Redequlus 2 points3 points ago

Now brought to life! What could be better? Next up, World War Z

[–]Kerbobotat 3 points4 points ago

There is the school of thought as to why Zombies have become so popular lately, that perhaps society is growing lazy and bored, and people like to imagine starting over and having to actually stuggle to achieve something.

[–]Woodbin 2 points3 points ago

I think we are heading towards both, but as I live in a postcommunist country, the one right was Orwell for me.

[–]zane17 5 points6 points ago

It always surprises me how much people enjoy complaining about the present and future. Life has only been improving since the beginning of time, seriously. Name a statistic. General happines, life expectancy, infant mortality, food production, medical care, communication.

Why can't people accept that in the large scale we are always moving forward and stop complaining?

[–]hitandmiss 5 points6 points ago

The problem is that governments are progressing at a rate which is much faster than common people can react.

I think that's a problem... but then, it's debatable.

[–]zane17 3 points4 points ago

I see what you mean, and of course there are still things that we should be wary of.

[–]hitandmiss 5 points6 points ago

We certainly shouldn't just sit back and enjoy the ride. We've got to push for the future! Because if everyone just rode the rides instead of building them, there would never be anything new. ^_^

[–]enlarged_testes 1 point2 points ago

Quality over quantity. Specifically in the educational fields where we are counting on standardized testing and short-term memorization to provide an education for our children over critical thinking skills and independent thinking skills.

[–]DFP_ 2 points3 points ago

I would totally live in the Brave New World given the chance. Honestly, you yourself aren't limited. Didn't sound like too much of a dystopia to me when I read it.

[–]hitandmiss 6 points7 points ago

You yourself aren't limited.

That depends on whether or not you consider being brainwashed and genetically controlled from before birth till death limitation. I sure do.

[–]RapeyMcStabStab 2 points3 points ago

We're near Huxley, but the ultimate goal of the elite must be to replace humanity with robots, and live in simulated universes as gods.

[–]level1 1 point2 points ago

The movie Brazil is a much more realistic outcome than either story.

[–]youhatemeandihateyou 3 points4 points ago

Dammit, this is maybe the 20th time that I have seen this thing posted. Just watch, now it will get crossposted over and over like it does every 2 months.

[–]Prof_X 7 points8 points ago

Room 101 for you!

[–]Nimiety_One 3 points4 points ago

As much as I dislike reposts I'm beginning to see why some things are posted so often...

I feel your pain but love this comic.

[–]D3cker 7 points8 points ago

People need to stop seeing this sub as a personal hub... this is a community of old and new subscribers...

In other words, what is old and boring to you and me might be completely new to 30 new subscribers (what we average as of today)... if you see a familiar link don't click on it.

edit/ context

[–]hitandmiss 1 point2 points ago

I'd seen the comic before elsewhere, but I hadn't had the chance to discuss it in a cyberpunk context, and if it gets posted again in a few months I'm sure my views will have changed.

I'll enjoy discussing it again, hopefully.

[–]Nimiety_One 1 point2 points ago

Bwahaha I feel like this is partially my fault, I've come off as harassing you a bit lately and I apologize!

Point taken sir!

[–]chukklhed 1 point2 points ago

Some things need to be driven home. You say it like it is a bad thing!

[–]robmyers 0 points1 point ago

Atwood.

[–]BleedTheFreak 1 point2 points ago

When I see posts about Karma on Reddit, that pretty much proves Huxley for me.

[–]Aluhut 1 point2 points ago

I think we head for Idiocracy.

Since I've seen this movie I am constantly confronted by aspects of it...it's here already

[–]Luy22 1 point2 points ago

I just got back from a huge orgy party with friends. Was pretty fun.

I meant we played Super Smash Bros... What...?

[–]soyrobo 0 points1 point ago

Aren't we experiencing all of this & as such, both outcomes?

[–]TadMinistrataur -2 points-1 points ago

If Hitler won WWII then life would be more like 1984 than Brave New World. There's always got to be an equal balance between Communism and Capitalism in society so these extremes don't happen, I guess.

[–]hitandmiss 6 points7 points ago

I'm not so sure that either communism or capitalism can be blamed for the dystopian societies of 1984 and Brave New World. You could have either dystopia in either political system.

[–]noys 4 points5 points ago

Besides, communism and capitalism are not political systems - they're economic systems.

But yeah, you can have totalitarianism + capitalism (China, Nazi Germany, US is getting there slowly but surely) or totalitarianism + "communism". Okay, actually weird bastard socialism. (USSR, non-modern China, North Korea)

[–]JustJonny 1 point2 points ago

The U.S.S.R., China and North Korea could all be described more accurately as state capitalism. The means of production isn't controlled by the workers (socialism) but by the state, which uses it merely for its own benefit, at the expense of the workers (capitalism). Essentially, it's identical with conventional capitalism, except that instead of a capitalist class determined by inherited wealth, it's a capitalist class determined by political connections.