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German soldier with a cat on his head while wearing a nightshirt, a helmet, boot, armed with a bayonet, and standing in front of a latrine. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 7 months ago by doubleyouteef
[–]Ghoulglum 28 points29 points30 points 7 months ago
Must have lost a bet.
[–]doubleyouteef[S] 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
To a reddtor.
[–]Alexthegreatbelgian 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
"I told you the allies would get into France, now stand still..."
[–]LeSpatula 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
OP hat geliefert.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I think this is safe to assume.
[–]calabast88 -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 months ago
funny pic
[–]swandi 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
looks like a "prove your identity" request pic. Shoe-on-the-head kinda thing.
[–]doubleyouteef[S] 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
IAMA German soldier with a cat on his head while wearing a nightshirt, a helmet, boot, armed with a bayonet, and standing in front of a latrine on bath salts. Next up.
[–]sexgott 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
No, it has to be conditioner.
[–]DryvBy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
He's the man now.
[–]qwerty30013 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
They were people too you know.. And well.. Cats
[–]thegoodendedhappily 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I didn't know they were people before I saw this picture
[–]kinghoneybadger 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Europe tis a silly place.
[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 7 months ago
Coincidentally, he was also the winner of Sexiest Legs in the Motherland 1941.
[–]Noobymcnoobcake 39 points40 points41 points 7 months ago
*vaterland
[–]xXBlUnTsM0KA420Xx 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Maybe it was a competition done only for soldiers in stalingrad.
[–]I_WIN_DEAL_WITH_IT 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Except that this picture was taken during WWI.
(note the WWI German helmet with the trademark raised bolts, and then note the gas mask)
[–]Borktastic 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I admire your attention to detail, however, maybe he just had really old kit?
[–]I_WIN_DEAL_WITH_IT 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Not very likely. They had the new helmets and gas masks since the 30's.
[–]gak001 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yeah, and that's definitely not a nightshirt - you can see the raised bib on the shirt. Most people don't realize that there was a time when shirt tails were called tails for a reason and they actually were long enough to stay tucked in properly without the need for shirt garters.
[–]walruskingmike 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Motherland is a communist remark; fatherland is what's in vogue with the fascist crowd.
[–]modomario 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
Cant really call it a communist or facist remark.I think of it as just a reference to the land of birth. Here in Belgium and quite a few other countries the 'vaderland' is mentioned in our anthem n such. At no point were we ever really communist or facist.
[–]5everalone -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
shut up commie bastard!
[–]walruskingmike -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Read my reply to Forgot_password_shit.
[–]modomario 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
and he is correct. The father/motherland thing comes with the language/country most of the time. I'm sure you'll find tons of exceptions to your statement in facist groups who use the term motherland like the Russian Nashi and the Brazilian Integralist Action party and whatnot. Same goes for communists.
[–]Forgot_password_shit 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
Modomario is right. Many germanic countries and countries with a germanic cultural background call their homeland fatherland - so it's not only reserved for fascists.
Estonia isn't germanic, but was ruled by Balto-germans for centuries and that's why Estonians call their homeland fatherland as well - the fatherland tradition started long before fascism.
[–]walruskingmike -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
I didn't say they were exclusive to those parties, just that those are the terms they use.
[–]praise_the_almighty 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
WTF? Germany is called Vaterland by many if not all Germans has nothing to do with one being fascists.
A lion is a cat, but not all cats are lions. Similarly, fascists tend to use the masculine form, but not everyone that does is a fascist.
Also, it was a joke. Loosen your asshole.
Always nice to get a friendly answer. I commented in no way disrespectful to you so may you should loosen yours.. whatever that means.
[–]BallsackTBaghard 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Fatherland is where awesome people come from. manly and smart.
Motherland is filled with bitchy women feminist lesbians.
Coincidentally USA is referred to as a 'she'. Ironic isn't it?
[–]stoonedjesus 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
LOL MISOGYNY
[–]walruskingmike 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's not ironic at all.
[–]BallsackTBaghard 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I know. That itself is.
[–]farox 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Aren't all countries in that context? (Not a native speaker here, but I did hear it used for Germany as well in a similar context)
Look at it this way,there is a motherland and there is Mother Russia. You wanna be a commie lesbian? I didn't think so.
[–]fnordcorps 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
I have my own personal conspiracy-ish theory that most pictures/footage of Germans during world war 2 doing anything remotely human or humorous were destroyed for propaganda reasons . It just seems to be so rare to see them smiling or doing anything other than marching in perfect order or fighting. And no I do not in any way support what they did. Just think its odd.
[–]GasMaske 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
This is actually from WW1, though it's not uncommon to find photos of German soldiers during WW2 relaxing and such. I saw a great photo of some Wehrmacht soldiers stood next to a snowman wearing a helmet once.
[–]Professor_ZombieKill 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Yeah this is pretty much true. There are loads of pictures that show German soldiers relaxing or visiting family or whatever. It's just that you don't usually see them if you aren't explicitly looking for them.
A friend of mine has a great little personal album that belonged to a German officer. Shows him going throughout the occupation, war and finally at a POW camp.
[–]GasMaske 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Sounds interesting. I started collecting original photos from WW2 recently- they're all German soldiers in scenes most would expect, but I'd like to find some of the more fun images like this!
[–]Professor_ZombieKill 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You should try and look at some of the "WW2 item scavenger" forums. I know this friend of mine bought his on one of these forums where people will put up items they dug up or salvaged.
It's really cool what you can find in the ground (like helmets - both regular and SS, buttons, knives etc.).
I'm actually already a member of a forum of a similar nature, and it is indeed amazing to see what people dig up. I collect militaria (mostly Third Reich), the majority of which isn't ground-dug, but I do have a couple of things that were dug up. I prefer things generally to be in a similar condition to how they were during the period, but dug relics are still very interesting, especially if you find them yourself I imagine.
[–]zizekbananas 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I was actually wondering about this. I think it's absolutely fascinating, and I agree with fnordcorps regarding humour and human. I'm wondering where these photos come from: do they get uploaded online and are available that way, or are some redditors curators and historians; or do these come from personal collections?
Also, on a geeky note, so fascinating in terms of counter-memory and even Freudian theories on narrative and the construction of memory. If we do repress certain photos of soldiers, I wonder what we do when they do come up or return.
[–]fnordcorps 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
I think in a way it is a form of self protection for the world. If the Nazi's are consistently portrayed as mindless, evil robots we can all comfortably distance ourselves from them. And rightly so.
It allows us to think "they were inhuman and we would never be capable of acting like that". The sad reality is the majority of the Nazi's were ordinary human beings following orders.
[–]GasMaske 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
The photos you see online could be from anywhere. Most you see will have already been circulated on the internet for some time, I imagine. I've started collecting original photos from WW2, though they are heavily faked these days.
[–]Amorphium 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
wouldnt they have pickelhauben instead of stahlhelme if it was ww1? "hey guys, just making cat-shishkebab, whats going on?"
[–]GasMaske 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
They were replaced by the Stahlhelm in 1916. There are different models, and this is distinguishable from those worn in WW2. Also, the gas mask is distinctively WW1-era.
[–]Amorphium 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
never knew that, thanks!
[–]lotsocows 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
and the belt buckle
As far as I can tell from the photo, it could just as well be a Wehrmacht buckle, but you are correct.
[–]lotsocows 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
True, but it looks more like a Prussian crown than the Wehrmacht eagle, in my opinion anyway. But its Der Erste Weltkrieg for sure! Unless its between 1919-1939...
[–]GasMaske 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Aye, true.
[–]CountVonTroll 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
They exist, but most of the pictures that are easily accessible are from official archives. Those were, in fact, made for propaganda reasons, but some would still get you karma.
Private fotos still mostly sit in private photo albums, though, and film was in limited supply. They couldn't just use their mobile phones, obviously.
[–]mihipse 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
the one on the right is probably the first appearance of kittler
[–]ZoiksAndAway 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Those were the days.
[–]doubleyouteef[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm0iQz24Aac
[–]hanabaley 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I like how this title really tells me what i'm getting myself into.
[–]RoshoFTMFW 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I read each individual item slowly while glancing at the picture.
Check Check Check, etc.
Damn sure is.
[–]testdex 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Just in case you imgur is borked and you can't get the photo to load:
it's a picture of a German soldier with a cat on his head while wearing a nightshirt, a helmet, boot, armed with a bayonet, and standing in front of a latrine.
[–]wootmonster 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
No mention of the awesome gas mask around his neck???
[–]tazmaniac86 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
There it is, the comment I was looking for. What're you doing down here?
[–]SandmanXC 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Das Karmamaschine.
[–]emilysium 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I live in Germany and can confirm that Germans like cats. They dislike many things, and historically have disliked many things very intensely, but they have always liked cats.
[–]thesillyrabbit 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Gerard Butler was a german soldier? Woah....
[–]Kimmens 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
i love comments where i am like "wat?", then watch the link again and then i am like "aaaaaaaaaaaah"
[–]Sulphersprings 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Are you a mindreader?
[–]harryinthekitchen 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Schwarmverstand.
Yeah, because we all look alike to you, huh? Racist son-of-a...
[–]SMTRodent 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Gunner Asch?
[–]josephanthony 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
There's just no stopping an army of such men.
[–]fuzzyllama1 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Looks like your standard redditor, besides the whole being outside part
[–]Dr_Underpants_Md 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I honestly did not know what I was expecting.
[–]Lineman007 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
High on meth
[–]I_From_Yugoslav 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Bath salts.
[–]dannyboyxyz 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
You all realise he's wearing a spiked helmet right?
[–]Magnesus 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
World War I.
[–]I_WIN_DEAL_WITH_IT 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
That is World War I. And as others have said, they changed helmets after it was learned that leather helmets with spikes on the top were not to useful for blocking shrapnel, and were a little bit gay. This helmet in the picture, along with the gas mask, is from WWI.
[–]BigBoner4Ever 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Pretty sure he's the creator of Reddit, and if not he definitely should make an account
[–]Well_then_sir -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 months ago
He's a nazi though.... I thought reddit was for democrats?
[–]BigBoner4Ever -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Fuck you, Nazis are more than welcome
[–]stoonedjesus -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
No they aren't you retarded fuckass
[–]martusfine 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Ha! A lost dare
[–]macarattack 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Have I seen everything?
[–]thetrombonedude 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Couldn't say I wasn't expecting that
[–]Morbanth 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The only explanation I can think of is time travelling Redditor. :D
[–]Thimbles 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
dont forget the gas mask
[–]scottyd1127 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Some one lost a bet
[–]waseldo 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
PTSD
[–]korevil 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Drugs made him do it.
[–]KaptainKershaw 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
War is hell...
[–]EddieBarzoon 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Shouldn't this be in /r/wzf ?
[–]leophir 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
He bet Germany could win a war in its history.
[–]crossassa 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Exactly what it says on the tin. Bravo.
[–]SeanutBrittle 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This man was born to reddit
[–]SilverEpoch 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
VaderLand? Sounds like a self-absorbed Empire funded theme park.
[–]doubleyouteef[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
*boots.
[–]gilgagoogyta 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Monty Python: The Beginning.
[–]andrewj86 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Caption nailed it.
[–]Doggerel 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
And the things got kinky . . .
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I do know what I was expecting.
[–]amolad 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The "Hogan's Heroes" version of WW II.
[–]kabomlamma 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
German 419 scammer
[–]chiorba 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
is that Porta?
[–]SHYDAWG79 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Wow you forgot to mention the mask around his neck.....
[–]SexualArtillery 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
also gas mask and a knife
[–]Professor226 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Clicked expecting a German soldier with a cat on his head while wearing a nightshirt, a helmet, boot, armed with a bayonet, and standing in front of a latrine...was not disappoint.
[–]5fc 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Why can't more posts have descriptive titles like this instead of the usual zero effort shitfest that plagues reddit?
[–]madmanmunt 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Your title sure takes the mystery out of looking at the pic.
[–]ReneG8 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
"What is a picture you can't explain?"
I'll take Historic Inaccuracies for 400!
[–]Aoladari 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
He was shooting for that section 8.
[–]graverubber 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Meth. Not even once.
[–]ArsonWolf 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
wow... karma whores existed back then too.
[–]thegutlesswonder 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's just Max Klinger...
[–]bettyheart 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Looks a bit fruity.
[–]andiW 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
A dress can look very sexy on a man.
[–]Daniellandos 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
All arguments are invalid.
[–]SayYup 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I dont know what I expected...
[–]jagacontest 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Upvote for most appropriate title today.
[–]SeedofHate 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
He is the father of modern day German porn....
[–]lawngnome1 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
"Fredrick the friendly Nazi" This is pretty old.
[–]pfreedy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Reminds me of Billy pilgrim
[–]ledzep4life 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The original redditor.
[–]El_Fleegre 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
It's Fredrick the friendly nazi!
[–]orthag 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Germany has never been normal.
[–]falucious 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Upvote for succinct description.
[–]Rocket92 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Too much karma whoring makes for a bad war.
[–]MrTulip 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Kuhltheorie in Aktion
[–]Inimini 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Das ist how we doin'
[–]floscar 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Award for the most descriptive title in the history of ever.
[–]ultimate_zigzag 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This dude lost one hell of a bet.
[–]Rileyius 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
deaddove.jpg
[–]FinnMacCuhl 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Accurate description is accurate.
[–]wrathborne 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Looks more like Graham Chapman from Monty Python.
[–]BluntVorpal 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
How did they ever lose?
[–]tracer_t 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You had me at 'cat on his head'.
[–]AistoB 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Oh sweet another pic from the NAZI jackoff collection.
[–]Wizz_Bang 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Classy.
[–]blackduck158 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Sometimes I come to the comment section expecting to an explanation. I'm not sure why.
[–]Harnman 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This picture can not be explained.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It does sort of bring to mind Darth Vader in the surf with the Britta pitcher.
[–]AndJustAnotherCommen 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago*
Der Soldat hatte sein Sauerkraut und die Bratwurst nicht aufgegessen.
Die "Stehen-Sie-im-Winter-in-Unterwäsche-mit-Katze-am-Kopf"-Strafe war eine gängige Art damals die Wehrmachtsoldaten zurück zur Zucht und deutscher Ordnung zu führen. Am häufigsten kamen solche Strafen im Winter 1942/43 vor während des langen, großen vaterländischen Krieg gegen Österreich, als die erste Sturmdivision der Waffen-SS mit Atomwaffen München zerstörte und die verbliebenen Soldaten im Kampf gegen Kommunistenmutanten zu strikter Lebensmittelseinteilung gezwungen wurden, während Hitler mit Churchill Stein, Schere, Papier um die Antarktis spielte.
Ein Soldat, der unter solchen Bedingungen sein Sauerkraut nicht aufaß wurde bei den Hauptmännern selbsverständlich nicht gerne gesehen und wurde so bestraft. Dieser Soldat hatte aber nochmal Glück, denn wie wir alle wissen sind die Deutschen sehr streng, wenn es um die Disziplin der zukünftigen arischen Herrenrasse geht. Wesentlich härtere Maßnahmen waren etwa:
-Aufsetzen eines Eselhutes und zwei Stunden mit dem Rücken zur Mannschaft in der Ecke sitzen.
-Für einen ganzen Tag lang "Würstchen" genannt zu werden
-3x Platzpatronen jonglieren
-Keinen Schokoladekuchen bekommen.
[–]doktor_wankenstein 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
And then Vasily Zaytsev picked off the poor beggar from 1200 meters.
It's remotely possible that my great-uncle may have killed that guy. He certainly accounted for his share. But they were shooting back, and that's war for you.
[–]tacdias 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Karma whoring, 40s edition!
It's WW1-era.
*10s edition!
[–]GasMaske 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
The karma whoring to end all karma whoring.
[–]0l01o1ol0 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
TIRealized WWI was almost a hundred years ago
It's WWZ-era
Is that a reference I'm not getting?
http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/czzwf/world_war_z_zombie_survival_guide_author_max/ + bath salts
Ahh, I see. I was thinking recently how rather than sending soldiers into dangerous situations, we should first send in convicted criminals loaded up on bath salts. Two birds with one stone! It's one way to demoralise the enemy.
[–]Banana_Slut 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
James McAvoy...that is all
[–]leouck 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_libgu78N3U1qdep4ro1_500.png
[–]heytheredelilahTOR 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
He took this pic because he knew that in 60 years he would post in /r/IAmA, and we would require him to do something silly to verify himself. This was just impeccable foresight on his part.
[–]Felix_Austria_nube 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
In around 100 years*. That's WW1 stuff.
Oops.
[–]Lane008 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Am I the only one who thinks this is probably Gerard Butler's grandfather?
[–]Roham21 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Foreigners will never understand the old tradition of Milchstiefeln.
[–]DysfunctionalxLlama 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Damn. Those legs..
[–]BonnieTheHamster 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I can't be the only one who sees the resemblance to Gerard Butler.
[–]zinson 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
What lovely feminine hips he has!
[–]Shukokia 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Anyone else see a likeness to a certain Norwegian maniac?
[–]moistbadger 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Accurate description. No child porn.
Here is upvote.
[–]Baroliche 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Vi haft vays to make you talk.
[–]timoleon 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
In this case:
Vi haft vays of making you laugh.
[–]buttluvin 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
kARMA WHORE
And it worked! Both times.
[–]Smoking_Gun1508 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
umm....uhh....wha....who....ahh....uhhh........
[–]GhillieDhu 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Anybody else think of M.A.S.H.?
[–]ceri23 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Ma Nigga
[–]I_From_Yugoslav -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Gays in the military.
[–]Well_then_sir 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Hey man, some soldiers just thought their uniforms were to drab!
[–]afkreddit -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
I did Nazi zat coming.
I guess you did Nazi the comments pointing out this is in fact from WW1.
[–]afkreddit 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You are correct i did indeed Nazi that comment. Very interesting but not funny.
[–]chainsawgeoff -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
Is there an r/nazicats?
This is WW1-era.
[–]chainsawgeoff 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
It is, my bad.
[–]BoxOfHope -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 months ago
Kill ze Americans, yah?
[–]DrakeDealer -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Go back to 9GAG. This is the wrong section.
[–]sfurbish -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 months ago
Jawohl, mein Furrer
[–]juszczec -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 months ago
Master Race?
[–][deleted] 7 months ago
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[–]racoonpeople 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Wehrmacht.
[–]GasMaske 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
This is WW1.
[–]afkreddit 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Actually this is 2012.
No, this is Patrick.
[–]afkreddit 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
This is that awkward moment when i cant think of anything funny to type. Except THIS IS SPARTA.
I was torn between my comment and that; we must both be extremely witty and highly original people.
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