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[–]Talphin 51 points52 points ago

Ohhh, I love buffets!

[–]Squalor- 19 points20 points ago

Atheism: because babies are tasty.

[–]That_Canadian_Eh 4 points5 points ago

Boil em' Mash em' Stick em' in a stew.

[–]d3adbor3d2 3 points4 points ago

i would want some variety though. asian food stat!

[–]hypnoderp 6 points7 points ago

Yeah but you'll just be hungry again in an hour.

[–]FiercelyFuzzy 1 point2 points ago

I'm starting to drool.

[–]maniachamp 0 points1 point ago

pretty sure the montreal killer does too

[–]dementedsnake 25 points26 points ago

While probably completely accurate, isn't it a little silly to use babies as examples of atheists?

Yeah, they most likely don't have any concept of gods, but still, they're babies. They don't have any concept of chocolate bars yet either.

[–]dumnezero 22 points23 points ago

Technically, still atheists. That's why the religious folk are so eager to baptize and indoctrinate them.

[–]NiteShadeX2 29 points30 points ago

This reminds me of a story. I'm paraphrasing to hell, maybe someone can find the full thing.

TLDR:

Preacher man goes to take God's Word to "Eskimos"

Tells Eskimo if he accepts Christ as his savior, he will be saved, and go to Heaven.

Eskimo asks what happens if he doesnt accept Christ.

Preacher man says he will burn in Hell for his sins.

Eskimo then asks what happens if he didn't know about Christ, would he be damned by default?

Preacher man says no, for God is a loving god, and those who did not see his path, but were still pure of heart would be saved anyways.

Eskimo then asks Preacher, "Then why did you tell me about God in the first place???"

[–]partanimal 1 point2 points ago

Don't atheists actively reject the belief in God?

I think a better caption would be "Agnostics."

[–]dumnezero 0 points1 point ago

agnostic-atheists

FIXED

[–]partanimal 0 points1 point ago

Really?

THIS is a baby's position???

"Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact."

(Wikipedia)

[–]dumnezero 0 points1 point ago

Just ask them

[–]dementedsnake 3 points4 points ago

I know, it's called "implicit atheism". I was just saying that's it's silly to use babies because they don't really know anything.

[–]FrisianDude 3 points4 points ago

Interesting, even if the title is misleading. "Helpful/unhelpful" is not synonymous to "right/wrong."

[–]dumnezero 5 points6 points ago

babies because they don't really know anything.

I disproved that. It's enough for now.

[–]Sloppy1sts 2 points3 points ago

I think that's the point: To show that people are indoctrinated into religion, not born that way.

[–]ChadwickHenryWard 3 points4 points ago

While it's technically true that babies are atheists, that fact could not be more trivial. They aren't capable of having religious opinions, so their lack thereof is of absolutely no significance.

[–]dementedsnake 2 points3 points ago

Yes, that was my whole point.

[–]ewilliam 4 points5 points ago

Not trivial, AFAIC. It brings up an important conundrum for those in organized religions: if these babies grow up in a religious vacuum in terms of indoctrination, they will undoubtedly be far less likely to accept Jesus, Muhammed, etc., as their lord and savior...and if they lived their entire life isolated from religion, they would almost undoubtedly die without ever having traditional religious beliefs. So, what kind of god creates a universe where you need to be indoctrinated by your family and peers in order to believe?

[–]EricTboneJackson 0 points1 point ago

While probably completely accurate, isn't it a little silly to use babies as examples of atheists? Yeah, they most likely don't have any concept of gods, but still, they're babies. They don't have any concept of chocolate bars yet either.

You wouldn't object to them being called "non believers", would you? Well, it's the same thing. Atheism is non-belief, or the lack of belief, in gods.

The problem is the word "atheist" is suffix "ist", which implies active participation/choice in a principle or belief system. That's why Neil DeGrasse Tyson rejects the word ("the only ist I am is a scientist"). I can relate. I don't believe in God. I'm a non-believer, not an "ist" of some kind. But the word is already there, in common use. The semantic damage has been done.

Theism/atheism is a dichotomy -- believer / non-believer -- and babies clearly aren't theist. So they are atheists. It's the default position. We all start out non-believers and have to be taught the concept of a god then taught to believe in a god for that to change.

[–]dementedsnake 0 points1 point ago

My god, did someone change my text when I wasn't looking?

I know that babies are atheists. I know what atheism is. I'm the one who spent an hour trying to argue these facts with someone who said that babies can't be atheists because blah blah blah.

I thought I was perfectly clear in my first post that I agree with OP, and that babies are most likely all atheists. Why are people trying to convince me of something I've already said I accept?

[–]EricTboneJackson 0 points1 point ago

Did you read grown post? o.O

[–]PerfectFaro 10 points11 points ago

Right; like those cute little fuckers are ever going to grow up without being eaten...

[–]bustercherrie[S] 8 points9 points ago

I found that picture by looking at a menu...

[–]Lance_Strongarm 1 point2 points ago

Babies, the other other white meat

[–]Omnidox 3 points4 points ago

I prefer the dark meat. It tastes like chicken.

[–]Meshuggah2 6 points7 points ago

Thanks OP, now I'm hungry.

[–]MyNameIsTylerD 2 points3 points ago

They would be cuter without those hats.

I don't like the hats.

[–]DiscordianStooge 0 points1 point ago

Turns out babies come with hats.

[–]FrostyM288 2 points3 points ago

This must've been shot before they started eating eachother

[–]hoodedthis 4 points5 points ago

1- Premise 1: Atheists don't believe in gods.

2- Premise 2: Vegetables don't believe in gods.

3- Conclusion: Vegetables are atheists.

I'm not trying to prove that vegetables are atheists. This only is a sarcastic attempt to state that both babies and vegetables are incapable of believing in God, thus this makes both of them inanimate atheists. First of, I should define atheism. The atheism of thinking beings is the the denial of the belief in god(s), or the lack of such belief in the presence of an ability to reason and believe. Whereas, the atheism of objects is the inability to believe in gods. I'm going to call this animate atheism and inanimate atheism. An infant has inanimate atheism, even when he is animate. His atheism is similar to the atheism of objects like fruits and vegetables. In Freudian terms, infants are in the first stage of psychosexual development(the oral stage). They are discrete from the external world around them and they lack self-identities. That is to say, infants are not really qualified to believe in anything that is supernatural, complex and external. Hence, it doesn't make sense to consider them animate atheists like us. It's like being proud of being surrounded by many atheist rocks and trees. Richard Dawkins made a good point, when he criticized those who call their children Christians or Muslims. He explained that such positions can't be attributed to humans that still can't think for themselves. Provided that animate atheism is not the default position, calling children and infants "Atheists like us" is inaccurate.

[–]Connorulz 1 point2 points ago

Dammit now I'm hungry

[–]SockofBadKarma 1 point2 points ago

You know what they say; you are what you eat!

[–]FazzyOzzy 1 point2 points ago

I can definitely feel the eternal damnation reeking from their unbaptized bodies!

And they said adorable...

[–]lightninlives 1 point2 points ago

This is why I'm starting to think that we need a new word denoting a human or other form of sentient being (like artificial intelligence if/when it exists) that never even considers the god concept.

That's what a baby is (they haven't rejected the idea of god because they haven't even had the idea manifest itself). It would also be representative of tribes like this one that don't even have a word for god in their vocabulary: http://youtu.be/dr3q6Cid1po

[–]hollingm 1 point2 points ago

It's too bad gods never figured out genetic memory so they could implant their message to humanity in every one of us from birth. Er, and have that message survive any brain injury that might occur later in life. Silly gods, they only ever use communication methods that are indistinguishable from regular humans making stuff up out of their imagination.

[–]Retinazoo 1 point2 points ago

There is no such thing as an atheist baby, come on now /r/atheism.

[–]kksf5 1 point2 points ago

As an atheist, I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. Just like babies aren't born republican, democrat, mormon, jewish, christian, etc, babies aren't atheist. They have no knowledge of religion, so how are they supposed to not believe in something they have no knowledge about? Atheism isn't the lack of religion per se, but more of a disbelief of religion.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

All children are born Zen. It is only after socialization that they seek the truth, and thus doom themselves to never finding it.

[–]Zoorin 0 points1 point ago

Too damn adorable.. And too damn delicous!

[–]Lance_Strongarm 0 points1 point ago

The sleeping one is Christian and they stole his diaper! Bastards!

[–]thefey 0 points1 point ago

Oh my goodness babies! Hahahahahahaha so cute

[–]druhol 0 points1 point ago

What's up with all the demotivators today? At least it's not rage comics, but still.

[–]RebelTactics 0 points1 point ago

The Christian response:

"Well those babies have been christened and baptized into the arms of the lord."

[–]TelegraphSexOperator 0 points1 point ago

All I see is the entree. Where are the Atheists?

[–]xredbaron62x 0 points1 point ago

NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

[–]capt_slim 0 points1 point ago

They also shit their pants. Just saying.

[–]FantomEx 0 points1 point ago

Never leave a teething atheist baby alone in a room with another baby. The taste is acquired early.

[–]My_ducks_sick 0 points1 point ago

Deja vu

[–]Samccx19 0 points1 point ago

McDonalds celebrate a lot of things with special menus. Is this Atheist week for them?

[–]aDragonOr2 0 points1 point ago

repost

[–]MarvinTheAndroid42 0 points1 point ago

Yea, because us atheists are the only ones who ever actually go through infancy. Seriously guys, you are becoming an insult to your own kind.

[–]hobbitish 0 points1 point ago

Aww they are so cute... I JUST WANT TO EAT THEM UP!

[–]N04H 0 points1 point ago

Oh, I bet it tastes so good.

[–]flightofangels 0 points1 point ago

I almost feel bad for getting this higher than 666.

[–]twoclose -1 points0 points ago

In most every definition of the word atheism that I've seen it goes like this: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

They're not rejecting anything, they're babies. Even if you classify it as the belief that there are no deities, once again they're babies and have no such belief.

[–]inarsla 4 points5 points ago

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2][3] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3][4][5]

If you have no concept of what a god is, you are still technically an atheist.

You said below that

Non-belief is, in itself, a belief.

Please explain? Not holding a belief is not the same as holding it to be false

[–]twoclose -3 points-2 points ago

Please explain? Not holding a belief is not the same as holding it to be false

please explain that.

i don't believe in unicorns. therefore somebody saying a unicorn exists and me claiming that o be false is the same thing

[–]inarsla 0 points1 point ago

therefore somebody saying a unicorn exists and me claiming that o be false is the same thing

That's just it.

If I were never introduced to the idea of a unicorn, would I be claiming it to be false?

Being unaware that there is something to accept or deny does not allow you to have a positive belief about it. If I do not know what a god is, nor have ever heard of it, I would be completely incapable of having a belief one way or the other.

This is where babies stand. They do not and can not have a positive belief about god. they cannot claim it to be true or false, as they do not know what it is that they would be claiming.

[–]inarsla 1 point2 points ago

Now, to add to that, it is further possible to know of something, and not have a belief that it is or is not existent.

If I make the claim "unicorns exist", I am making a claim. This can be correct or incorrect.

If I make the claim "unicorns do not exist", I am making a claim. This can be correct or incorrect.

But if I say "I doubt the existence of unicorns", I am not making an assertion. I am stating that I have yet to see good evidence or reason for unicorns to exist. I am not saying that they do not exist, but rather that I simply tend to think that way with the present evidence presented.

[–]twoclose -2 points-1 points ago

okay i'm done arguing with a brick wall. atheists are quite often worse than fundies in this context.

[–]postguy2 4 points5 points ago

Since we won't agree with your incorrect definition of atheism, we're the brick walls?

How absolutely absurd.

[–]twoclose -3 points-2 points ago

[–]twoclose -2 points-1 points ago

"may not also include newborn babies"

you didn't even fucking read it.

[–]inarsla 0 points1 point ago

"it may or may not "

[–]twoclose -4 points-3 points ago

correct, so i'm not wrong. even according to the link you posted. deal with it.

[–]Vegaprime 3 points4 points ago

Not rejecting, just not believing.

[–]twoclose -1 points0 points ago

[–]AutoBiological 1 point2 points ago

I'm sorry that you've received down votes because people don't agree with you.

But you're correct.

An atheist is somebody that has a belief (there is a belief in some entity as such that is described God), and (that such a belief is wrong).

This is pretty standard and how it is most often written in logic.

The reason I'm not an atheist is because I don't have that belief for many reasons, but any atheist must have that belief. It's a positive belief statement (the kind Carnap describes) and shows up in many journals.

[–]postguy2 2 points3 points ago

A-Theism is Without-Theism.

Since babies aren't theists, they are, by definition, a-theists.

That's what the prefix "a-" means, in language.

It's a very easy concept to grasp.

[–]twoclose -1 points0 points ago

this is from a link one of your atheist buddies provided.

"may not also include newborn babies"

[–]postguy2 1 point2 points ago

I don't care what other people posted. Please tell me where you disagree with my post instead of changing the subject.

  • 1.) Do you disagree that theism means the active belief in a god?

  • 2.) Or do you disagree that the prefix "A-" means "Without"?

Because if you agree with both of those things, you agree with me.

[–]twoclose -1 points0 points ago

but you BELIEVE there is no god, am i correct?

[–]postguy2 1 point2 points ago

Me, personally? Yes. I believe there is no god. That is also atheism. Also, one who claims to know with certainty that there is no god is also atheism, though I don't claim that.

"Atheism" only means "without an active belief that a god exists," no matter the reason; whether you're undecided, think there's probably not one, or claim to know there's not one.

Again, if you disagree with my post here, tell me which premise (1 or 2) you disagree with. This is the second time you've changed the subject instead of answering.

[–]inarsla -1 points0 points ago

Again, you're misrepresenting the quote by not saying "may or may not".

It is debatable, yes, but there is good ground to say that newborn babies do qualify as implicit atheists

[–]twoclose -1 points0 points ago

There is also good ground to argue that they aren't. I'll I've heard here is along the lines of "no, you're wrong."

[–]postguy2 2 points3 points ago

I'll I've heard here is along the lines of "no, you're wrong."

Actually, no, we're all telling you precisely why you're wrong, and even providing links to why, you're just refusing to acknowledge any of it.

[–]twoclose -2 points-1 points ago

The link that someone provided said that a prominent atheist was unsure of whether or not to classify babies as atheists. -_-

edit for link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism#Implicit_atheism

[–]inarsla -1 points0 points ago

I've stated when giving the full definition that

Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3][4][5]

postguy2 provided a breakdown of the word which an idiot could follow

I've, at least attempted to have, shown that absence of belief and belief against are separate, but both have the same pragmatic outcome

Vegaprime also stated that there is a difference between lacking a belief and holding a belief

all I've seen you do is quotemine, misrepresent, and play with words you seem not to fully understand

[–]twoclose -2 points-1 points ago

Imagine that! All of the atheists ganging up on the agnostic in /r/atheism. Never would have thought...

[–]postguy2 2 points3 points ago

And you also don't know what "agnostic" means either? I'm shocked. Almost all of us are agnostics, too.

[–]twoclose -2 points-1 points ago

I am not an agnostic-theist, nor an agnostic-atheist. I am simply agnostic. This is due to the fact the I do not know how the universe was created. I find it equally viable to have happened out of chance as to have been sparked by some higher power.

[–]postguy2 0 points1 point ago

I am not an agnostic-theist, nor an agnostic-atheist. I am simply agnostic.

If you'd bother to learn what words mean, you'd know that makes no sense. It's like saying, "I have no hair but I am not bald." You either hold an active belief that a god exists (theism) or you don't.

"I am undecided" is still not holding an active belief that a god exists, so it is a-theism. Atheism isn't just "I believe that there is absolutely no god." It is simply the lack of (without) a belief in god (theism), for whatever reason. A-Theism.

[–]djangocadenza 1 point2 points ago

This guy can believe whatever he wants, and I believe you're a pretentious dickbag.

[–]twoclose 0 points1 point ago

Finally someone with an actual head on their shoulders.

[–]djangocadenza 0 points1 point ago

Just sick and tired of these pretentious douchebags. They can have an opinion without ganging up on somebody who doesn't agree with them. Worse than fundies...

[–]twoclose 0 points1 point ago

NO. Now you're telling me what I believe? I think it is JUST AS POSSIBLE that there is a higher power. Because you know what, nobody really knows. I have an active belief that there could be a god, but I also see the possibility of the universe being formed based completely on physics. They have equal weight within my belief system.

[–]ScottFree37 -1 points0 points ago

Only a sith deals in absolutes

[–]inarsla 0 points1 point ago

Many, if not most, atheists are also agnostics.

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/faq#Whataboutagnosticism

[–]sojalemmi -1 points0 points ago

How can humans without a sense of self identify themselves as anything, including atheists?

[–]ScottFree37 -3 points-2 points ago

I like to call it the default position fallacy. It dictates that if a person isn't theistic they are automatically atheistic.

[–]MapleSyrupIsAwesome 0 points1 point ago

Considering "atheist" means "not theist"....

[–]ScottFree37 -1 points0 points ago

Deists aren't either

[–]MapleSyrupIsAwesome 0 points1 point ago

Deists are particularly reasonably theists. The belief in a deity, not matter how inactive or irrelevant, is still theism.

[–]ScottFree37 0 points1 point ago

Pantheists?

[–]MapleSyrupIsAwesome 0 points1 point ago

I take that one on a case by case basis, after the pantheist in question expands on their beliefs. In my experience they have always either been hippy atheists or hippy theists.

[–]ScottFree37 1 point2 points ago

fair call. I can live with being an agnostic hippy theist

[–]Skarmotastic 0 points1 point ago

Mmmm... Cannibalism...

[–]Ayn_Rand_Was_Right 0 points1 point ago

I think I may be broken, my first thought is that this is some baby sex party and they are going to be taking turns gangraping that one with their ass in the air.

Damn internet.

[–]PanFlute 0 points1 point ago

You are what you eat.

[–]XiolaBlu14 0 points1 point ago

mmmmm babies! nom nom nom nom

[–]XxcontaminatexX 0 points1 point ago

This post made me hungry

[–]run_faster 0 points1 point ago

They're also without belief of science.

[–]Nastyteddy 0 points1 point ago

We can't really call them atheists yet since they aren't old enough to make that choice. That's like saying you have a christian baby or racist baby

[–]wiggersoe 0 points1 point ago

Babies are not atheists. For one to be atheist one must reject the idea of God. They cannot be atheists because they have yet to grasp the idea of a god,

[–]FrisianDude -1 points0 points ago

Those are babies, asshole. I can't stand assholes who use babies and other children as a placard for their own religious and/or political thinking.

[–]specialk4256 -1 points0 points ago

It looks like the baby laying face down is a Christian baby and all the Atheist babies are laughing because they pushed him down and the one is sitting on him. This is just like the other post about the Communist Atheists bullying the poor Christians on Facebook and Twitter.

[–]donumabdeo -2 points-1 points ago

they're atheists because they're incapable of rational thought

[–]Zelotic -2 points-1 points ago

Dear OP, you are ruining Reddit. Is karma really that important to you? Are you lacking love in your life from your family and searching for it here? Is that it? That is not a reason to justify a re-posting. I don't care how old this post is, it is still a re-post.This is inexcusable and unacceptable and you will therefore be accepting my down-vote. On behalf of those of us who post OC, I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself.

[–]maniachamp -1 points0 points ago

wasn't that montreal killer an atheist?

[–]LumenGentium -1 points0 points ago

£1.9 million study finds this image unscientific and incorrect.