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When people ask why I have a problem with religion. (i.minus.com)
submitted 4 months ago by ThisIsDK
[–]reireally 91 points92 points93 points 4 months ago
Justin Beiber at the bottom made me lol.
[–]nonpareilpearl 40 points41 points42 points 4 months ago
I think that's because of his comment about no abortion even in the case of rape, because "everything happens for a reason".
[–]ImmatureEjaculation 33 points34 points35 points 4 months ago
Rolling Stone actually misquoted him on that and later apologized.
"The full quote, his response to whether abortions should be allowed in cases of rape, reads, 'Um. Well, I think that's really sad, but everything happens for a reason. I don't know how that would be a reason. I guess I haven't been in that position, so I wouldn't be able to judge that.'"
[–]nonpareilpearl 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
At least he ended it with "I wouldn't be able to judge that".
[–]Flynn58 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
Still say's it isn't a reason, then says he can't judge that.
The double-think burns.
[–]tashtrac 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
You do realize he's like 14 or so?
[–]nonpareilpearl 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
He's actually 18 now. Scary, right?
[–]kucing -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 months ago
You spelled "she" wrong
[–]Synergythepariah 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
I laughed because I've never heard that before! You're so funny and edgy!
[–]MakeThemWatch 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
... and the exact same sarcastic comment could be applied to you
[–]Synergythepariah 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Indeed it could!
[–]WoollyMittens 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
That doesn't make it better, it just makes it longer.
[–]TeutscherTangel 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Well he says he's not able to judge that, so yes it makes it better.
[–]WoollyMittens 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Adding a disclaimer to the end does nothing to diminish the message before it.
[–]ImmatureEjaculation 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
He says he doesn't know how it could be a reason which means he realizes at least in some aspect that his childhood indoctrination is bullshit. He could be following it blindly.
[–]WoollyMittens 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I think you're adding more information than is in the expanded quote, but blindly following a doctrine doesn't make it okay either. Note that he doesn't oppose it, he just shrugs it off.
[–]raginglion 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
Abortion happens for a reason, too, Beibs. That logic is so fucked.
[–]hero1012878 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
if everything happens for a reason then isn't there a reason they got an abortion?
[–]reireally -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Yes, i understand why he's there on account of the abortion comment...althought in his abortion comment he doesn't directly mention religion which just leads me to believe he's just an asshole. I think instead of spewing BS he should have just had a little class and said "i'd rather not make a statement on abortion"
What made me lol was the fact that even if all we had of this guy is his music and it's religious under-tones, he would still makes sense on this list.
lol ya
[–]JohnWL 68 points69 points70 points 4 months ago
Religious people are the MOST terrified group of people in the world. Fucking everything is a threat to them, so they chose to be a threat to what threatens them. They're trying to go all Batman on people's shit. Except Batman is no bigot.
[–]Epithemus 39 points40 points41 points 4 months ago
After seeing 3 pastors advocate action against gays, I can say religion is a threat to me personally.
[–]dat_penguin 19 points20 points21 points 4 months ago
Most terrified, and perhaps most terrifying as well.
[–]rasputine 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago
This is usually how it works. It's how the Nazi party took power in Germany.
[–]nermid 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Except Batman is no bigot.
Depends on your Batman.
Right before the reboot, Batman was setting up sentient spy satellites to document every action of every being on Earth, so that he could be the ultimate Big Brother. Fuck, the satellite was called "Brother Eye."
Even Batman realized this might have been a little overboard.
They're also the MOST terrifying people in the world IMHO. Irrational and capable of ruining lives in an instant of doing god's will.
[–]derpaderp -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago
I like the majority of these, but there are a few that seem to be staged/part of a parody. I see that most of these are real, but just for the record, there are a few in there that are taken out of context of the photograph.
[–]nilum 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Which?
[–]derpaderp 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I'm on my effin phone, but the one 1/6th of the way down, the "Islamists" holding a sign of "Massacre those who insult Islam", I can believe that one, but the one next to it, "Freedom can go to hell" does not seem like their M.O.
I thought that the "Saudi cleric favors one eyed veil" was a joke, but that was serious :(
Scrolling through my brain is not catching everything again, I am positive there was another one, but I will stick with that one, and maybe, just maybe, the image 1/6th from the bottom, where it says that "Europe, you will pay, your 9/11 is on it's way", that, if true, is pretty fuckin crazy.
My BS radar is not always fully charged, and sometimes it misses something, but it always questions when things don't seem right. Also, looking over it again, I did not see any that seemed to be taken out of context this time. Will keep looking though.
Those two images that I mentioned aren't meant to say that NOTHING of this is real, it's pretty much on point, I just want it to be pretty tight knit if I use this
[–]Hobodethbuny 34 points35 points36 points 4 months ago
My one true religion can beat up your Arab myth
Wait a minute......
[–]WoollyMittens 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
It's so sad. They're both the SAME god of Abraham.
[–]NurseBetty 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
you know, they REALLY don't like that being pointed out to them, that Allah and YHWH are the same. they tend to start screaming abuse at you(which is my last case like that, got them dragged off the street by the police)
[–]Rikicarvu 13 points14 points15 points 4 months ago
read one of them as "Doctor Who performed abortions..."
[–]j0npau1 36 points37 points38 points 4 months ago
He would need to trade out the sonic screwdriver for an ultrasonic unscrewdriver, methinks.
[–]ZooSnooze 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
this doesnt have half the amount of upvotes it deserves
[–]xxkemmyxcookiexx 35 points36 points37 points 4 months ago
I went through all of these pictures and my jaw dropped. A couple of these almost brought me to tears. My mother was raised Catholic and my father was raised Mormon. They both vowed off religion as soon as they left their parents and have raised me to be Atheist. My parents would support any decision I made, whether I where to become lesbian, or if I chose to be religious. They are some of the most loving people I know and they chose, of free will, to become Atheists. Just seeing things like people saying that they wish they could violently murder all Atheists and homosexuals makes me want to break down and cry. The fact that one human being, no matter the race, religion, or sex, could possibly fathom doing these horrible things to another human makes me completely enraged.
[–]James718 34 points35 points36 points 4 months ago
This gets an upvote from me every time it get posted
[–]yosephus 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
This has been posted many times, but this is the first one I've seen that wasn't insanely blurry. Thanks OP!
[–]rekabis -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
That’s odd. I’m viewing the image on my tablet, and I can barely make out the headlines, much less the body text. It’s horribly blurry and low-res, even when I pinch to zoom. If this image is an improvement on what’s been posted previously, I’d hate to see those images…
Does anyone have a high-res original?
[–]yosephus 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
This is high res on my computer. Try it on your pc.
[–]rekabis 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
It seems that the Reddit app has a serious issue with showing images with such a huge file size (3.5 Mb) or dimensions (660 x 30,000 px). It cannot seem to show me the “optimal” image, as it either reverts back or crashes the app.
Could be your tablet.
Here's the mirror from the first time I saw it posted.
[–]thomasdemaster 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Still blurry but thanks
[–]TrustiestMuffin 15 points16 points17 points 4 months ago
Related:
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html
[–]shadowhunter22 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
It's blocked on my network, could I get a quick tl;dr?
[–]TrustiestMuffin 24 points25 points26 points 4 months ago
I want to talk about atheists and anger.
This has been a hard piece to write, and it may be a hard one to read. I'm not going to be as polite and good-tempered as I usually am in this blog; this piece is about anger, and for once I'm going to fucking well let myself be angry.
But I think it's important. One of the most common criticisms lobbed at the newly-vocal atheist community is, "Why do you have to be so angry?" So I want to talk about:
Why atheists are angry;
Why our anger is valid, valuable, and necessary;
And 3. Why it's completely fucked-up to try to take our anger away from us.
So let's start with why we're angry. Or rather -- because this is my blog and I don't presume to speak for all atheists -- why I'm angry.
I'm angry that according to a recent Gallup poll, only 45 percent of Americans would vote for an atheist for President.
I'm angry that atheist conventions have to have extra security, including hand-held metal detectors and bag searches, because of fatwas and death threats.
I'm angry that atheist soldiers -- in the U.S. armed forces -- have had prayer ceremonies pressured on them and atheist meetings broken up by Christian superior officers, in direct violation of the First Amendment. I'm angry that evangelical Christian groups are being given exclusive access to proselytize on military bases -- again in the U.S. armed forces, again in direct violation of the First Amendment. I'm angry that atheist soldiers who are complaining about this are being harassed and are even getting death threats from Christian soldiers and superior officers -- yet again, in the U.S. armed forces. And I'm angry that Christians still say smug, sanctimonious things like, "there are no atheists in foxholes." You know why you're not seeing atheists in foxholes? Because believers are threatening to shoot them if they come out.
I'm angry that the 41st President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, said of atheists, in my lifetime, "No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God." My President. No, I didn't vote for him, but he was still my President, and he still said that my lack of religious belief meant that I shouldn't be regarded as a citizen.
'm angry that it took until 1961 for atheists to be guaranteed the right to serve on juries, testify in court, or hold public office in every state in the country.
I'm angry that almost half of Americans believe in creationism. And not a broad, "God had a hand in evolution" creationism, but a strict, young-earth, "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years" creationism.
And on that topic: I'm angry that school boards all across this country are still -- 82 years after the Scopes trial -- having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools. School boards are not exactly loaded with time and money and resources, and any of the time/ money/ resources that they're spending fighting this stupid fight is time/ money/ resources that they're not spending, you know, teaching.
I'm angry that women are dying of AIDS in Africa and South America because the Catholic Church has convinced them that using condoms makes baby Jesus cry.
I'm angry that women are having septic abortions -- or are being forced to have unwanted children who they resent and mistreat -- because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
I'm angry about what happened to Galileo. Still. And I'm angry that it took the Catholic Church until 1992 to apologize for it.
I get angry when advice columnists tell their troubled letter-writers to talk to their priest or minister or rabbi... when there is absolutely no legal requirement that a religious leader have any sort of training in counseling or therapy.
(There's a start for you...it's long and there are pictures in text, pasting more now)
[–]TrustiestMuffin 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago
And I get angry when religious leaders offer counseling and advice to troubled people -- sex advice, relationship advice, advice on depression and stress, etc. -- not based on any evidence about what actually does and does not work in people's brains and lives, but on the basis of what their religious doctrine tells them God wants for us.
I'm angry at preachers who tell women in their flock to submit to their husbands because it's the will of God, even when their husbands are beating them within an inch of their lives.
I'm angry that so many believers treat prayer as a sort of cosmic shopping list for God. I'm angry that believers pray to win sporting events, poker hands, beauty pageants, and more. As if they were the center of the universe, as if God gives a shit about who wins the NCAA Final Four -- and as if the other teams/ players/ contestants weren't praying just as hard.
I'm especially angry that so many believers treat prayer as a cosmic shopping list when it comes to health and illness. I'm angry that this belief leads to the revolting conclusion that God deliberately makes people sick so they’ll pray to him to get better. And I'm angry that they foist this belief on sick and dying children -- in essence teaching them that, if they don't get better, it's their fault. That they didn't pray hard enough, or they didn't pray right, or God just doesn't love them enough.
And I get angry when other believers insist that the cosmic shopping list isn't what religion and prayer are really about; that their own sophisticated theology is the true understanding of God. I get angry when believers insist that the shopping list is a straw man, an outmoded form of religion and prayer that nobody takes seriously, and it's absurd for atheists to criticize it.
I get angry when believers use terrible, grief-soaked tragedies as either opportunities to toot their own horns and talk about how wonderful their God and their religion are... or as opportunities to attack and demonize atheists and secularism.
I'm angry at the Sunday school teacher who told comic artist Craig Thompson that he couldn't draw in heaven. And I'm angry that she said it with the complete conviction of authority... when in fact she had no basis whatsoever for that assertion. How the hell did she know what Heaven was like? How could she possibly know that you could sing in heaven but not draw? And why the hell would you say something that squelching and dismissive to a talented child?
I'm angry that Mother Teresa took her personal suffering and despair at her lost faith in God, and turned it into an obsession that led her to treat suffering as a beautiful gift from Christ to humanity, a beautiful offering from humanity to God, and a necessary part of spiritual salvation. And I'm angry that this obsession apparently led her to offer grotesquely inadequate medical care and pain relief at her hospitals and hospices, in essence taking her personal crisis of faith out on millions of desperately poor and helpless people.
I'm angry at the trustee of the local Presbyterian church who told his teenage daughter that he didn't actually believe in God or religion, but that it was important to keep up his work because without religion there would be no morality in the world.
I'm angry that so many parents and religious leaders terrorize children -- who (a) have brains that are hard-wired to trust adults and believe what they're told, and (b) are very literal-minded -- with vivid, traumatizing stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they'll be too frightened to even question religion.
I'm angrier when religious leaders explicitly tell children – and adults, for that matter -- that the very questioning of religion and the existence of hell is a dreadful sin, one that will guarantee them that hell is where they'll end up.
I'm angry that children get taught by religion to hate and fear their bodies and their sexuality. And I'm especially angry that female children get taught by religion to hate and fear their femaleness, and that queer children get taught by religion to hate and fear their queerness.
I'm angry about the Muslim girl in the public school who was told -- by her public-school, taxpayer-paid teacher -- that the red stripes on Christmas candy canes represented Christ's blood, that she had to believe in and be saved by Jesus Christ or she'd be condemned to hell, and that if she didn't, there was no place for her in his classroom. And I'm angry that he told her not to come back to his class when she didn't convert.
I'm angry -- enraged -- at the priests who molest children and tell them it's God's will. I'm enraged at the Catholic Church that consciously, deliberately, repeatedly, for years, acted to protect priests who molested children, and consciously and deliberately acted to keep it a secret, placing the Church's reputation as a higher priority than, for fuck's sake, children not being molested. And I'm enraged that the Church is now trying to argue, in court, that protecting child-molesting priests from prosecution, and shuffling those priests from diocese to diocese so they can molest kids in a whole new community that doesn't yet suspect them, is a Constitutionally protected form of free religious expression.
I'm angry about 9/11.
And I'm angry that Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians, the ACLU, and the People For the American Way. I'm angry that the theology of a wrathful God exacting revenge against pagans and abortionists by sending radical Muslims to blow up a building full of secretaries and investment bankers... this was a theology held by a powerful, widely-respected religious leader with millions of followers.
I'm angry that, when my dad had a stroke and went into a nursing home, the staff asked my brother, "Is he a Baptist or a Catholic?" And I'm not just angry on behalf of my atheist dad. I'm angry on behalf of all the Jews, all the Buddhists, all the Muslims, all the neo-Pagans, whose families almost certainly got asked that same question. That question is enormously disrespectful, not just of my dad's atheism, but of everyone at that nursing home who wasn't a Baptist or a Catholic.
I'm angry about Ingrid's grandparents. I'm angry that their fundamentalism was such a huge source of strife and unhappiness in her family, that it alienated them so drastically from their children and grandchildren. I'm angry that they tried to cram it down Ingrid's throat, to the point that she's still traumatized by it. And I'm angry that their religion, which if nothing else should have been a comfort to them in their old age, was instead a source of anguish and despair -- because they knew their children and grandchildren were all going to be burned and tortured forever in Hell, and how could Heaven be Heaven if their children and grandchildren were being eternally burned and tortured in Hell?
(Still more to come....)
[–]TrustiestMuffin 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago
I'm angry that Ingrid and I can't get legally married in this country -- or get legally married in another country and have it recognized by this one -- largely because religious leaders oppose it. And I'm angry that both religious and political leaders have discovered that they can score big points exploiting people's fears about sexuality in a changing world, fanning the flames of those fears... and giving people a religious excuse for why their fears are justified.
I'm angry that huge swaths of public policy in this country -- not just on same-sex marriage, but on abortion and stem-cell research and sex education in schools -- are being based, not on evidence of which policies do and don't work and what is and isn't true about the world, but on religious texts written hundreds or thousands of years ago, and on their own personal feelings about how those texts should be interpreted, with no supporting evidence whatsoever -- and no apparent concept of why any evidence should be needed.
I get angry when believers trumpet every good thing that's ever been done in the name of religion as a reason why religion is a force for good... and then, when confronted with the horrible evils done in religion's name, say that those evils weren't done because of religion, were done because of politics of greed or fear or whatever, would have been done anyway even without religion, and shouldn't be counted as religion's fault. (Of course, to be fair, I also get angry when atheists do the opposite: chalk up every evil thing done in the name of religion as a black mark on religion's record, but then insist that the good things were done for other reasons and would have been done anyway, etc. Neither side gets to have it both ways.)
I'm angry at the believers who put decals on their cars with a Faith fish eating a Darwin fish... and who think that's clever, who think that religious faith really should triumph over science and evidence. I'm angry at believers who have so little respect for the physical world their God supposedly created that they feel perfectly content to ignore the mountains of physical evidence piling up around them about that real world; perfectly content to see that world as somehow less real and true than their personal opinions about God.
(Note: The litany of specific grievances is now more than halfway over. Analysis of why anger is necessary and valuable is coming up soon. Promise.)
I get angry when religious leaders opportunistically use religion, and people's trust and faith in religion, to steal, cheat, lie, manipulate the political process, take sexual advantage of their followers, and generally behave like the scum of the earth. I get angry when it happens over and over and over again. And I get angry when people see this happening and still say that atheism is bad because, without religion, people would have no basis for morality or ethics, and no reason not to just do whatever they wanted.
I get angry when religious believers make arguments against atheism -- and make accusations against atheists -- without having bothered to talk to any atheists or read any atheist writing. I get angry when they trot out the same old "Atheism is a nihilistic philosophy, with no joy or meaning to life and no basis for morality or ethics"... when if they spent ten minutes in the atheist blogosphere, they would discover countless atheists who experience great joy and meaning in their lives, and are intensely concerned about right and wrong.
I get angry when believers use the phrase "atheist fundamentalist" without apparently knowing what the word "fundamentalist" means. Call people pig-headed, call them stubborn, call them snarky, call them intolerant even. But unless you can point to the text to which these "fundamentalist" atheists literally and strictly adhere without question, then please shut the hell up about us being fundamentalist.
I get angry when religious believers base their entire philosophy of life on what is, at best, a hunch; when they ignore or reject or rationalize any evidence that contradicts that hunch or calls it into question... and then accuse atheists of being close-minded and ignoring the obvious truth.
And I get angry when believers glorify religious faith without evidence as a positive virtue, a character trait that makes people good and noble... and then continue to accuse atheists of being close-minded and ignoring the obvious truth.
I get angry when believers say that they can know the truth -- the greatest truth of all about the nature of the universe, namely the source of all existence -- simply by sitting quietly and listening to their heart... and then accuse atheists of being arrogant. (This isn't just arrogant towards atheists and naturalists, either. It's arrogant towards people of other religions who have sat just as quietly, listened to their hearts with just as much sincerity, and come to completely opposite conclusions about God and the soul and the universe.)
And I get angry when believers say that the entire unimaginable enormity of the universe was made solely and specifically for the human race -- when atheists, by contrast, say that humanity is a microscopic dot on a microscopic dot, an infinitesimal eyeblink in the vastness of time and space -- and yet again, believers accuse atheists of being arrogant.
I get angry when believers say things like, "Yes, of course, the human mind isn't perfect, we see what we expect to see, we see faces and patterns and intention when they aren't necessarily there... but that couldn't be happening with me. The patterns I see in my life... they couldn't possibly be coincidence or confirmation bias. I'm definitely seeing the hand of God." (And then, once again, those same believers accuse atheists of being close-minded and only seeing what we want to see.)
[–]TrustiestMuffin 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago
I get angry when believers treat the gaps in science and scientific knowledge as somehow proof of the existence of God. I get angry when, despite a thousands-of-years-old pattern of supernatural explanations being consistently and repeatedly replaced with natural ones, they still think every single unexplained phenomenon can be best explained by God. And I'm angry that, whenever a gap in our knowledge does get filled in, believers either try to suppress it (see above re: evolution in the schools), or else say, "Okay, that part of the world isn't supernatural... but what about this gap over here? Can you explain that, Mr. Smarty-Pants Scientist? You can't! It must be God!"
I get angry when believers say at the beginning of an argument that their belief is based on reason and evidence, and at the end of the argument say things like, "It just seems that way to me," or, "I feel it in my heart"... as if that were a clincher. I mean, couldn't they have said that at the beginning of the argument, and not wasted my fucking time? My time is valuable and increasingly limited, and I have better things to do with it than debating with people who pretend to care about evidence and reason but ultimately don't.
I'm angry that I have to know more about their fucking religion than the believers do. I get angry when believers say things about the tenets and texts of their religion that are flatly untrue, and I have to correct them on it.
I get angry when believers treat any criticism of their religion -- i.e., pointing out that their religion is a hypothesis about the world and a philosophy of it, and asking it to stand up on its own in the marketplace of ideas -- as insulting and intolerant. I get angry when believers accuse atheists of being intolerant for saying things like, "I don't agree with you," "I think you're mistaken about that," "That doesn't make any sense," "I think that position is morally indefensible," and "What evidence do you have to support that?"
And on that point: I get angry when Christians in the United States -- members of the single most powerful and influential religious group in the country, in the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world -- act like beleaguered victims, martyrs being thrown to the lions all over again, whenever anyone criticizes them or they don't get their way.
I get angry when believers respond to some or all of these offenses by saying, "Well, that's not the true faith. Hating queers/ rejecting science/ stifling questions and dissent... that's not the true faith. People who do that aren't real (Christians/ Jews/ Muslims/ Hindus/ etc.)." As if they had a fucking pipeline to God. As if they had any reason at all to think that they know for sure what God wants, and that the billions of others who disagree with them just obviously have it wrong. (Besides -- I'm an atheist. The "They just aren't doing religion right" argument is not going to cut it with me. I don't think any of you have it right. To me, it all looks like something that people just made up.)
On that topic: I get angry when religious believers insist that their interpretation of their religion and religious text is the right one, and that fellow believers with an opposite interpretation clearly have it wrong. I get angry when believers insist that the parts about Jesus's prompt return and all prayers being answered are obviously not meant literally... but the parts about hell and damnation and gay sex being an abomination, that's real. And I get angry when believers insist that the parts about hell and damnation and gay sex being an abomination aren't meant literally, but the parts about caring for the poor are really what God meant. How the hell do they know which parts of the Bible/ Torah/ Koran/ Bhagavad-Gita/ whatever God really meant, and which parts he didn't? And if they don't know, if they're just basing it on their own moral instincts and their own perceptions of the world, then on what basis are they thinking that God and their sacred texts have anything to do with it at all? What right do they have to act as if their opinion is the same as God's and he's totally backing them up on it?
And I get angry when believers act as if these offenses aren't important, because "Not all believers act like that. I don't act like that." As if that fucking matters. This stuff is a major way that religion plays out in our world, and it makes me furious to hear religious believers try to minimize it because it's not how it happens to play out for them. It's like a white person responding to an African-American describing their experience of racism by saying, "But I'm not a racist." If you're not a racist, then can you shut the hell up for ten seconds and listen to the black people talk? And if you’re not bigoted against atheists and are sympathetic to us, then can you shut the hell up for ten seconds and let us tell you about what the world is like for us, without getting all defensive about how it's not your fault? When did this international conversation about atheism and religious oppression become all about you and your hurt feelings?
But perhaps most of all, I get angry -- sputteringly, inarticulately, pulse-racingly angry -- when believers chide atheists for being so angry. "Why do you have to be so angry all the time?" "All that anger is so off-putting." "If atheism is so great, then why are so many of you so angry?"
Which brings me to the other part of this little rant: Why atheist anger is not only valid, but valuable and necessary.
There's actually a simple, straightforward answer to this question:
Because anger is always necessary.
Because anger has driven every major movement for social change in this country, and probably in the world. The labor movement, the civil rights movement, the women's suffrage movement, the modern feminist movement, the gay rights movement, the anti-war movement in the Sixties, the anti-war movement today, you name it... all of them have had, as a major driving force, a tremendous amount of anger. Anger over injustice, anger over mistreatment and brutality, anger over helplessness.
I mean, why the hell else would people bother to mobilize social movements? Social movements are hard. They take time, they take energy, they sometimes take serious risk of life and limb, community and career. Nobody would fucking bother if they weren't furious about something.
So when you tell an atheist (or for that matter, a woman or a queer or a person of color or whatever) not to be so angry, you are, in essence, telling us to disempower ourselves. You're telling us to lay down one of the single most powerful tools we have at our disposal. You're telling us to lay down a tool that no social change movement has ever been able to do without. You're telling us to be polite and diplomatic, when history shows that polite diplomacy in a social change movement works far, far better when it's coupled with passionate anger. In a battle between David and Goliath, you're telling David to put down his slingshot and just... I don't know. Gnaw Goliath on the ankles or something.
I'll acknowledge that anger is a difficult tool in a social movement. A dangerous one even. It can make people act rashly; it can make it harder to think clearly; it can make people treat potential allies as enemies. In the worst-case scenario, it can even lead to violence. Anger is valid, it's valuable, it's necessary... but it can also misfire, and badly.
(One more comment to finish it off)
[–]TrustiestMuffin 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
But unless we're actually endangering or harming somebody, it is not up to believers to tell atheists when we should and should not use this tool. It is not up to believers to tell atheists that we're going too far with the anger and need to calm down. Any more than it's up to white people to say it to black people, or men to say it to women, or straights to say it to queers. When it comes from believers, it's not helpful. It's patronizing. It comes across as another attempt to defang us and shut us up. And it's just going to make us angrier.
And when believers tell passionate, angry atheists that extremism is never right and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle, they're making a big, big mistake. Not just because they're making us want to spit in their eye. They're making a mistake because they're simply mistaken. Read this piece from Daylight Atheism on The Golden Mean. Read the quotes from the abolitionist movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, the American Revolution. And then come tell me that the moderate position is usually the right one.
And you know what else? I think we need to have some goddamn perspective about this anger business. I mean, I look at organized Christianity in this country -- not just the religious right, but some more "moderate" churches as well -- interfering with AIDS prevention efforts, trying to get their theology into the public schools, actively trying to prevent me and Ingrid from getting legally married, and pulling all the other shit I talk about in this piece.
And I look at atheists sometimes being mean-spirited and snarky in blogs and books and magazines.
And I think, Can we please have some goddamn perspective?
Because the other thing I'm angry about is the fact that, in this piece, I've touched on -- maybe -- a hundredth of everything that angers me about religion. This piece barely scratches the surface. I know, almost without a doubt, that within five minutes of hitting "Post" and putting this piece on my blog, I'll think of six different things that I'd wished I'd put in. I could write an entire book about everything that angers me about religion -- other people certainly have -- and still not be finished.
Are you really looking at all of this shit I'm talking about, a millennia-old history of abuse and injustice, deceit and willful ignorance -- and then on the other hand, looking at a couple of years of atheists being snarky on the Internet -- and seeing the two as somehow equivalent? Or worse, seeing the snarky atheists as the greater problem?
If you're doing that, then with all due respect, you can blow me.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled attempts at civility.
(She has a follow up because, understandably, some theists were defensive. This covers it well enough IMO)
Again, thanks so much. That was a fantastic article.
[–]TrustiestMuffin 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
No problem. From the looks of my up-votes on the comments, it seems you weren't the only one with issues accessing her page (I'm still curious why it was blocked, but not r/atheism).
If any of you ever need more sources, feel free to RES tag me or PM me at your leisure. I'm on here, as I said, most every day and make ~10 comments on this subreddit a day.
[–]shadowhunter22 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
School network. Reddit's not blocked, but lots of blogs and things of that sort are. It's quite a hassle, especially with most NSFW links.
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[–]TrustiestMuffin 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Yeah, well, they wanted to read it. I had beer in me, didn't care to tl;dr the post since she covers a ton of stuff and jumps around.
Fucking sue me
[–]shadowhunter22 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
You are awesome, thanks. She's very good at condensing these arguments into little snippets of information.
[–]TrustiestMuffin 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Anything to help. I've spent around 1.5 years on this subreddit and I click through the first 100 links every day just to bypass all the "reposts" I've seen and get to the news or new quotes/articles/literature/etc that I haven't seen. Always glad to help someone find the gems.
Interesting.....there's not really a TL;DR on this. It's quite long. She goes on a rant with why she feels atheists are allowed to be angry. I'll copy-paste the text for you. Give me a second
[–]Nogoodnamesleftatall 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
This depresses me very much.
[–]PwrLevel9000 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
To me it's not religion that's the problem. It the people. There are people who that religious but don't share the same view as the people in the articles you have shown. Blame idiots not religion. Idiots can come from any background.
[–]pixelrage -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Totally agreed. The image posted here has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with psychotic behavior from mentally disturbed and potentially dangerous individuals who need help or possibly separation from the rest of society.
Think about the impact this image would make if it were article clippings about racist, bigoted or violent teachers. Or of people all of a certain ethnicity or skin color.
[–]thecosmicarena 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Problem with this train of thought is that it ignores the countless instances of religious text/thinking/whatever that lead people to think/say these horrific things. Yeah, they're psychotic. But maybe if they hadn't been indoctrinated with this dangerous material they wouldn't endanger the lives of countless individuals. Let's get to the root of the problem.
[–]ThisIsDK[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
Fixed image cause I'm an idiot and didn't notice imgur resized it.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
It won't load at all for me :|
[–]nermid 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Here's the link from the first time I saw it posted.
[–]razdrazchelloveck 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
Repost, but still great content.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
Not all religions are full of crap. When was the last time you heard of a Buddhist going out and fucking shit up?
[–]improbablesky 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
depends on the type of Buddhism. not all Buddhists are cut from the same cloth.
[–]iheartrms 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
True, but I've never known of violence against others in the name of Buddhism. If it exists I am not aware of it. But they are still just another bunch of superstitious people, even if somewhat less objectionably so.
[–]brokenghost 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Certain sects of Buddhism and Hinduism actually use self-immolation and self-harming practices as protests. Violence to others is possible as well, to any religion.
[–]Paladinoras 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Technically Buddhism is a religion of non-violence as a whole. The whole backstory was of how self-immolation and self-harming practices were considered detrimental for spiritual growth by the Buddha, so he decided to find his own way to find the "truth".
So technically Buddhist sects that self-immolate and self-harm are quite literally, doing it wrong.
[–]MakeThemWatch 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
well self immolation is used today as a political protest not for spiritual reasons. I've heard it condemned by monks because it is suicide but never that strongly because it is done to bring attention to violence and promote peace
[–]Paladinoras 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Yea, that's the thing. You need to separate political reasons and spiritual ones. Something most, if not all, religions have trouble with once they reach a certain level of popularity.
[–]iheartrms 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Yes, we've all seen the pic of the burning monk in Sai Gon (I've actually been to that intersection). He did it for selfless, if not misguided, reasons. The Catholic-run government was seriously oppressing Buddhists. Just one of the many reasons the US had a hard time in Vietnam. But people harming themselves doesn't concern me so much. I'm looking for examples of them harming others. But you are right, it is certainly possible. Irrational beliefs lead to irrational actions.
[–]brokenghost 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
from my opinion, i don't really like anyone harming anything...including themselves. so the burning monk...this is extremism, even in Buddhism.
[–]improbablesky 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I agree. I myself tend to identify as theravada buddhist. I was just pointing it out for the same of argument.
[–]Pathfinder_SE 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Not all Christians are cut from the same cloth either. Neither are Muslims or Jews.
[–]brainburger 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Here is Christopher Hitchens reading God is Not Great Chapter 14: There is No "Eastern Solution".. It has some examples and thoughts on the problems with Buddhism.
[–]Turin082 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
http://www.snapnetwork.org/accused_buddhist_priest_arrested_in_alaska_for_illinois_child_sex_crimes
No religion is above reproach.
[–]Einundzwanzig 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
No PERSON is above reproach. All this shows is that religion is meaningless. While it does add a medium for more hatred from people and towards people, humans will be cruel and hateful towards each other no matter what.
[–]Turin082 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago
Ah, so when men are placed in positions of unquestionable power, they will abuse that power regardless of the principals behind it? Seems like a good reason to eliminate the concept of unquestionable authority that is part and parcel with all religion.
[–]CaldwellCladwell 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Unquestionable authority? Dictatorship. Stalin was an atheist. No belief, or lack of one, is above reproach.
Again, seems like a good reason to eliminate the concept entirely.
Yes, but did his acts have ANYTHING to do with his religion. Lots of non-religious people do shit too.
They had to do with him being given a position of unquestionable authority. You could say the same about all religious people, their actions had nothing to do with their religion. But then, if religion does nothing to prevent such acts, what use is religion at all?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I personally was able to find new ways to deal with my anxiety disorder through Buddhism. So that was the use for me. For other, I don't know.
[–]nermid 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
It happens:
[T]here are numerous examples of Buddhists engaging in violence and even war.
In the twentieth century Japanese Zen masters wrote in support of Japan's wars of aggression.
[–]PADRAlC 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
The troubles in Northern Ireland too.
[–]webchimp32 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Celtic vs Rangers
Rangers vs Celtic (because I don't want to be accused of favouritism)
[–]temple3188 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
This was the first step to me moving towards atheism. Believe me, the people fighting over whether you're catholic or protestant in N.Ireland are the jobless, bored and just plain idiots. They have nothing to do with their time, so they use their religious differences as a catalyst for unprovoked feuds against innocent people.
[–]HenryMilwaukee 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
This is some scary shit man...
[–]gabruka 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
People still choose praying over hospitals? This is ridiculous.
[–]warcrafter 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
I read them all and it saddens me to see how many people are killed or want to kill just because of religious views or sexual preferences. Especially to people so opposed to violence this definitely speaks other wise
[–]MBStewart 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
I loved your collage. I saved a copy. :)
Not his. It's a repost.
It's a really awesome repost, but a repost.
[–]MBStewart 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I still loved it. TY though.
[–]iemfi 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I absolutely despise that first picture. It makes me sick every time I see it then leaves me depressed for the rest of the day. I mean I've seen some pretty fucked up shit on the internet but that first picture still hits me the hardest.
[–]Nyaena 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I feel sad that all people in religion are so hateful and so terrified of everything that doesn't follow their belief system.
[–]omnomnomnomnomnomn0m 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I wouldn't care but this is a republic I live in and these idiots get a vote
[–]shaggyzon4 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Wow...thanks for sharing.
[–]codythomashunsberger 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
You missed one.
[–]herotroll39 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
ya know, without religon or faith the world would be an awesome place to live in
[–]ZooSnooze 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
the sheer irony in the statement "These people are the f'ing scum of the earth. can we start killing them now? few groups are filled with more hate than atheists" is nearly palpable. I say we make Micheal Perri "famous" for a day. What do you guys think?
[–]GTi_83 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
people can be so stupid. do they not realize they are ruining america. we need an atheist in presidential office.
[–]Sheldy13 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I like. Just one thing: Remember folks, Evolution is not a "belief". It is an understanding. You don't "believe" a scientific theory. You either understand it, or you don't.
[–]dangerous_shanaynay 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Something from the OP: "these people are f'ing scum of the earth. can we start killing them now? few groups are filled with more hatred than athiests"
I'm just...wow. What? You want to start to killing them and yet Athiests have the hate? I know it's just a small percentage that think and act the way portrayed in the image, but holy shit. I honestly cannot tell if these comments are actually hatred or just organized trolling.
[–]RodrigoAlves 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago*
Excellent compilation! Thank you for the hard work. Here's a couple I know:
In a city I lived, a boy killed his father. He used to play Role-playing games like every other kid. So, the TV said it was the RPG game that motivated him to kill. After that, all Christian schools banned Role-playing games. I was a kid and could never find another boy to play D&d with me again because their mothers were afraid of Satan.
I saw a video in Portuguese of a priest that opened dozens of churches in the U.S. and Brazil. It was a "secret" video from one of the church meetings where he was teaching how to steal money by using the bible. He was telling all the secrets and lies, such as how to make people believe you're fighting the demon. Today he is a millionaire church minister, and he's making tons of money around the world. I once showed that video to one of his church goers, and the guy told me "That god already forgave him! He already said he was sorry! Everyone had sinned once!"
[–]roflwaff1e 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
this picture is problematic. the groups you're quoting are largely fundamentalist or radical ones, and also you're basically cherrypicking the fucked up shit up from the sea of regular, everyday shit (and even GOOD shit) that religious people do.
that doesn't change the fact that i also have my qualms with most religions, albeit because it promotes brainwashing and an unwillingness to engage with the reality you're born into. i think what you've put on display is the vast potential for human cruelty when given false justification.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
God bless your post. :P
[–]cazz14159 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago
thats nice of yo- heyyy wait a second...
[–]blokia 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
The final image is the most telling of all.
[–]barongaucho 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
This is incredible. Thank you.
[–]js567687 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I truly don't understand how religious people believe that everything any other people believe threaten their lifestyle. There are bad Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists etc. There are good people from all of those groups as well. We're the threatening ones who are pressing our beliefs? None of these people will ever learn.
[–]Thatoneguy33198 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Shit that is long... see you guys in a few years...
[–]amolad 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Everyone should have a problem with those, not just those who aren't religious.
[–]crazedclockwork 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
This makes me incredibly sad. Sometimes I face reality by reading these things and looking at these images... and then lose hope in mankind.
Also, huge-ass image.
[–]F4IL 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
You sir, need to look at religion for a second, without looking at the radicals...You don't judge an entire group of people because a hateful, or radical minority.
[–]justwhatyouwanttosay 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Ya, might as well just let it continue then. To each their own, LULZ.
[–]greend88 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I hate Justin Bieber as much as the next guy, but are you really lumping him and Tebow in with people who kill? Really?
[–]rawrgs 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Even I'll admit, it is kind of unfair to the rest of the religious people who murdered and raped and what not, to paint them in as bad a light as Tebow and Bieber.
[–]greend88 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow
this is a article I read about Tebow. Say what you want about his playing/the hype/his fans/etc, but he is a decent guy who honestly tries to help people. I may not respect all of his political views, but I respect him as a person.
As for Bieber. His music sucks balls. But it doesn't compare to the atrocities committed in the name of religion.
One of the first pictures in this post is of two gay men about to be hanged. Does listening to one of his songs really compare to this?(and spare me the "his music makes my ears bleed herr derrr!!)
By the way I'm not really ranting at you rawrgs. It just pisses me off when people do shit like this. We should be focusing on the real issues not this. I love immature memes as much as the next guy, but this is not the place for it.
/rant
[–]rawrgs 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Your immunity to sarcasm is most impressive.
I'm a little drunk, so I'm just going to leave the word "spectrum" here, and hope you get the gist of my argument about how it's silly to pretend that exclusion and bigotry is all the same, but is deplorable regardless.
If not, kindly disregard.
[–]SilencerLX 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
He's that bad!
[–]cwumed 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Did you make this or find this? Soooo damn long.
[–]ThisIsDK[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Found it.
[–]zadred 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Original... and it originated here.
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/ow1b1/when_people_ask_why_i_have_a_problem_with/
[–]EJR94 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The post implies Religion=Hypocrites. Not true for all people but you CANNOT influence anothers life based on some old story, no matter what you believe. What I don't get about American belivers is that Freedom is litterally rammed down your throat the whole time but people seem to still think there should only be one way to live your life. I have to say, before reddit, I have had no encounters with such ignorant Christians and the concept here is that older and friendlier people tend to have faith. Religion will die out as collectively we get smarter and more curious, as opposed to blind faith.
[–]username0002 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
The best way to fight hatred is with more hatred!
[–]Smileybomb12345 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Even though im the only athiest in my group of friends, i accept their opinions and leave it at that. My best friend that ive known since pre-school is very christian and he knows im an atheist. And he accepts my opinions, too. Reading your post, it brought a question in my mind: where in the bible does it say "thou shalt kill in my name"?
[–]Crallium 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
That's weird. Out of my group of friends, 3-4 others are Atheist, and 1-2 are Agnostic. It's not like that happened on purpose. I just became friends with the people in the group and it turns out a lot of them question god.
[–]mowgles 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I only made it about 1/5 of the way down the page before I was brought to tears.
[–]engineer4prez 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
can't even imagine how many times this has been reposted
Not saying that's the original but this post was 5 months ago, and I remember seeing it on reddit a few times as well. It's probably the best thing though, and made me realize how fucked religion is, but yeah, c'mon mayne!
I couldn't make it though half of that because I was getting so disgusted... What is wrong with people? I'm an atheist yes but I don't go around yelling at people saying they are wrong or committing crimes to prove my point. Why can't people just let their own faith stay with themselves?
[–]kriegler 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The one about Sindy Clock (who hopes that you get raped if you don't love Jesus) made me so made that I wanted to find her on facebook and tell her exactly what I think of her.
[–]robotikempire 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Maybe I'm a little late on this one but me too! I looked her up but no doubt she changed her name after this stuff surfaced. It's people like her I wish I could just slap reason into. Wanting people to die or get raped because they believe something different is INSANE. Sorry about the rant, I am heated right now.
[–]Skarmotastic 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
You had me at Rick Perry.
[–]976811 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
wish i could upvote more than once on this post
[–]SilencerLX 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Perfect.
[–]girlypimp 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
This made me really sad, I couldn't finish reading them.
[–]Cewkie 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
This depresses me.
[–]eisforenigma 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I cried twice and couldn't finish reading it all.
I don't understand. I just don't understand how people can do this to one another.
[–]thedaymen 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
the number of psycho religious people is too damn high!
[–]CountBubs 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Amen. Oh wait...
[–]thelazymessiah 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Jesus Christ.
[–]zombiezelda 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Ugh this seriously is so upsetting and terrifying. People who think this way are in power. It just scares me.
[–]SweetLeafKush 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I deserve a reward for suffering through that.
[–]Nerevarino 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
This makes me so sad whenever I see it.
[–]Autonomous91 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
though i agree that these things are not ok. atheists have quite a bit of blood on their hands in the name of their beliefs as well. but are ALL atheists bad? nah. just like like ALL religious folk aren't bad. not every christian is like fred phelps just as every atheist isn't like pol pot. lumping groups of people (beliefs as well) together is a very dangerous thing especially when insanity and evil (no religious implications meant) run in select members of both belief parties.
[–]drmischief 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Am I the only one here who thinks extremism is the cause of all of this? Religion is the medium for this kind of behavior but who's to say these bad people wouldn't kill, persecute, and harass if religion didn't play a part? The real threat here is the acceptance of extreme behavior to further ones ideals (religious or otherwise).
[–]souppotato 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
What get's me the most in this is all of the death threats people were making on Facebook to atheists. Didn't know people wanted me dead so much...what did I do to deserve that? Though I'm not a fan of religion...it isn't fair to lump them all together.
[–]DamnManImGovernor 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I hate to generalize, but it seems many people of these people who have extreme faith in god or pray in hopes of healing their kids look incredibly stupid. Like they absolutely look like morons. Maybe the fact that I know they're religious makes them look that way...
[–]Confusi0n 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
gooby pls
[–]Jimmigill 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Grats on the longest post I've ever cared to finish.
Is it cool If I save that and flash it around if I need to?
[–]a_random_hobo 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I laughed when I saw how long it was, then wanted to cry when I started reading it.
[–]K1llEverybody 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Tbh. To mutch to read
[–]koavf 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
What is your beef with Tim Tebow?
[–]iheartrms 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
If one were to try to make a graphic like this regarding atheist atrocities, what might it display? It wouldn't rightfully include the likes of Mao or Stalin (both atheists afaik) or Hitler (Roman Catholic, actually) because they didn't do what they did for or in the name of atheism. Although the religious would most likely try to make a case that they did it because of their atheism. Has there ever been a bona fide case of violence in the name of atheism?
[–]Tr2v 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Precisely. I'd refer to myself as an anti-theist more if less people were too stupid to understand what it means and why.
[–]IDLH 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Sweet Jumpin' Geezus--Good job putting that together.
[–]JSSJeepin 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The articles of the teen suicides, executions, and murders literally made me cry.
[–]Miora 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Well that made me a little depressed.
[–]robinhl 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I didn't notice any non-Abrahamic religions in there. Is it only Jews, Christians and Muslims who are the problem?
[–]FUCKWIZARD 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Religion had next to nothing to do with 9/11. Ruined the whole post for me.
[–]sha742 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
FFS
Billions of people are religious. If that's their powerful ideology, that's how they will justify their evils. Dahmer the gay atheist said he slept at night because he knew there wasn't a higher power to judge. He was also fucking crazy, and that's what the average person understands.
Stalin was atheist. The Cambodian genocide had nothing to do with religion. Most murders and rapes and tortures throughout history are done because people are fucked up.
What isn't posted? Art advancements. Scientific achievements funded by the churches. The over-arching organization that forced/allowed the collaboration of thousands of cultures to bring us to where we are today.
There really isn't anything /r/circlejerk can do to top the amount of bull shit that seems to be routinely regurgitated.
[–]erock0546 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I got sick about 1/4th the way down :[
[–]ItsAPokemonBattle 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
TL;DR a whole bunch of religious people on the extreme negative side of religion. Also, a repost.
[–]YoshisEgg 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I got angry halfway through...
[–]Spectre623 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Great post.
[–]valisist 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
wow this is extremely disheartening.
[–]Music_of_the_Ainur 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I started cracking up at the "few groups are filled with more hatred than atheists" comment, surrounded by full caps death threats.
[–]boxerman81 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I lol'd so hard at Harry Potter
[–]dynamiteownsall 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Didn't read, up-voted anyway.
[–]JohnnyDan22 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
The scourge of Reddit
[–]come_the_dawn 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
9/11 wasn't really about religion
[–]reusablebattery 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I don't mean to seem rude, but are you kidding? It was completely about religion, seeing as how an extremist group with different views that judges those without the same beliefs saw fit to attack those individuals. I can see how you would think it would be about different political or civil rights views, but it ultimately boils down to religion.
It has something to do with U.S. actions in the middle east
It has to do with the fact that Al Qaeda hates the U.S. Not with past actions, but differing beliefs, most terrorist organizations stationed in the Middle East see the U.S. as an enemy, and that view is almost entirely based on religion.
[–]nyjets4life6 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Gotta love seeing Tebow on there!
[–]HydroV2 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
This makes me more mad than it should.
[–]wioneo 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I wonder if Jewish (and other religions fine...) people feel left out of lists like these.
[–]Cupcake_in_Acid 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Archishop Dolan
cruch raep vctmis pls
[–]Crossmine 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen, such immeasurable intolerance and hate, for no reason besides "My zombie imaginary friend said to kill them because they are different." While fundies wait for the day that everyone dies in a ball of fire, we wait for a day when this pointless killing will end, and we are the ones despised. It's absolutely atrocious.
[–]jheregpip 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
These people are f'ing scum of the earth. Can we start killing them yet? No group is filled with more hate than Atheists. Can we start killing them yet? No group is filled with more hate than Atheists. Killing them; no group is filled with more hate
These people are f'ing scum of the earth. Can we start killing them yet? No group is filled with more hate than Atheists.
Can we start killing them yet? No group is filled with more hate than Atheists.
Killing them; no group is filled with more hate
My head is spinning with the thought that him, and 3 other people believe that was a well worded and true statement.
[–]Joseph_of_Elona 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
This drew up some rage in me. I've known about almost all of this stuff (though some of it was news to me) but I guess I've never really looked at it all together like this. They spread hate, you fight the hate, suddenly they're being oppressed, we back off for the right reasons, and they lay into us like Tyson laying into a ballerina. Anyways, thanks for the thought provoking post.
[–]Mightyskunk 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
All of these, plus the fact that it may be what kills my marriage to my otherwise awesome wife.
[–]puckallday 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
A quarter way through and my faith in humanity is almost completely gone.
[–]gg_serena 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Didn't even get halfway before I was close to tears. I just don't understand how people can let this happen.
[–]rv4flyer 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
excellent....saved and may share. Hope you don't mind
[–]vivecs 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
So you don't have a problem with God just organized religion?
[–]Turin082 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
You can't have a problem with something that isn't there
[–]Mguy123456789 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Something tells me this "war" on religion is going to harm more innocents than we intend.
[–]Stummy 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I think you forgot the one of that airplane and those two towers.
[–]Astronelson 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
It's in there, pretty close to the top.
[–]crime_fighter -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 months ago
what i see is the typical atheist attack on religious fanatics... don't blame the religion because of the people.
This is obvs going to make it to the frontpage because it picks on the extremists that don't represent the majority.
It's like saying I hate atheists cause Lenin killed millions. That's your method of argument.
everyone boasts about how the smartest conversations happen in /r/atheism ...all i've seen so far is just picking the same scab over and over again. This kind of stuff gets redundant and most people already know extremists are idiots, you do not have to shove it down our throats cause this does nothing to disprove religion and shows that this the only scapegoat atheists have when pointing the figure at people of faith.
this rant was longer than it should have been
tl;dr - come on atheists, we get it, extremists suck ass. Make an argument against something with substance atleast.
[–]SFGiantsAllTheWay 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago*
This is a repost, so i hope it doesn't. Although it is a nice collection. The original OP was supposed to give an update after he added more in. However, it has been a few months since i seen him.
You really think all these people are all extremists?
It's not supposed to disprove anything. It is a collection of articles and picures of particular things said or done that was justified by their holy book which allows for such interpretations. Simple as that.
Please show me where lenin killed people because of his atheism. I would love to see where he justified his actions because he was an atheist.
[–]AsariCommando2 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
They're not extremists. They're the expected result of batshit crazy cults. The fact that many don't knife or shoot people or post shit through mailboxes is neither here nor there. This is not a simple numbers game. If they remain within the confines of their religion they are supporting the nutters.
In fact it's the tea and biscuits brigade that worry me the most. They won't raise a finger or voice in defence of any minority their fucked up cult chooses to oppress.
[–]cbelt123 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
What you say would be true...if there weren't new examples of "extremism" every fucking day. There's far too many examples of horrendous religion-driven behavior to write it off as a few crazy fanatics.
[–]xenoamr 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Extremism is relative, for example, muslim children are taught that Jews are evil and that one day muslims and jews will have a great war in which they will slaughter each and every one of them with their swords and bare hands.
The thing is, this is taught in their school books, at what point can you call that extremism anymore when its indoctrinated to the people over and over again. This is a natural byproduct of the extremism in the religion itself.
Meanwhile Buddhism is cool ... I may think they have ridiculous believes, I may disagree with their thinking, but they don't preach hatred in their holy books like some abrahamic religions
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That's just cherry picking. Admittedly, it's a pretty big ass bowl of cherries.
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