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[–]yellownumberfive 29 points30 points ago

Sure, take a librul socialist Muslim like Woodrow Wilson's word for it. I want to see that guy's birth certificate. Long form, of course.

[–]Kadx 16 points17 points ago

Nigga, you just went full retard.

[–]yellownumberfive 16 points17 points ago

Congratulations, you noticed the hyperbole.

[–]Kadx 5 points6 points ago

[–]reidhasguitar 9 points10 points ago

[–]DutchmanDavid 0 points1 point ago

Are you 9gaggers at it again? That poor girl!

[–]BackNipples 1 point2 points ago

yeah, i could tell your bole was hyper right as i read your first comment

[–]TheFavorite 2 points3 points ago

He kind of was a socialist though. Or rather, he had the full socialist backing from members of his party, despite previous more conservative leanings. That said, you gotta love the only president thus far to have PhD

[–]the_penultimate_user 0 points1 point ago

I withdraw my argument, you are correct sir.

[–]soccergirl13 20 points21 points ago

Too bad he was a white supremacist...

[–]yellownumberfive 5 points6 points ago

It's OK, blacks weren't considered real people circa 1915, neither were women.

[–]TimeKillerSP 4 points5 points ago

and his understanding of evolution supported those views.

[–]the_penultimate_user 0 points1 point ago

You can't regard it in the same light as today because society said it was okay. Imagine if he had grown up today and was taught everyone was equal,I doubt he would hold the same views.

[–]loliwearhats 1 point2 points ago

Yes we can judge Wilson for being a racist. Remember, that he segregated the federal workforce. It was not segregated prior to his administration. Theodore Roosevelt was willing to invite black intellectuals to dine at the White House, while two presidents later Wilson is proclaiming their inferiority. Plenty of educated intellectuals in 1922 knew better than that.

[–]nermid 0 points1 point ago

Theodore Roosevelt was willing to invite black intellectuals to dine at the White House

I keep reading stuff about Teddy Roosevelt, and I keep agreeing with his policies.

Sure, there were a couple of things he pushed for in the Bull-Moose party that I don't agree with, but fuck, the Democrats are only just now getting as far Left as the Bull Moose Party was 100 years ago.

[–]loliwearhats 0 points1 point ago

If you want some balance TR, read Gore Vidal's essay on him. Call's him a sissy

[–]nermid 0 points1 point ago

A sissy? I've heard he once hunted down a pair of people who stole his boat, beat them to a pulp, tied them up, then floated downriver and delivered them to authorities.

Could you kindly link me to this essay, so I can see how somebody like that could be a sissy?

[–]loliwearhats 0 points1 point ago

I read a hard copy. lemme check

"Theodore Roosevelt: An American Sissy" The New York Review of Books, August 13, 1981

[–]nermid 0 points1 point ago

Found a copy online.

I cannot help but think that this is the least balanced essay I have read in some time. It just reads like the sort of biography one writes about that asshole who tripped you in High School.

Variously he is not reformist enough, not interested in politics, too reformist, rich and sheltered, too driven toward politics, rich and corrupt, ineffectual against corruption, blind to corruption, a warmonger, a coward, too cavalier with guns, interventionist, and a fascist.

It mentions the Nazis, for fuck's sake. In an essay about a man who died in 1919. The Nazi Party wasn't even formed until 1920!

I am, as you can tell, less than impressed.

[–]CalCapone 0 points1 point ago

Sadly, there ARE plenty of idiots around today who are racist, sexist, pieces of crap.

[–]Melkor_Morgoth 2 points3 points ago

By all reference materials I've read, Wilson said this in 1912.

[–]HeadCreep 2 points3 points ago

Of course, let's not forget that Wilson was racist and deeply religious.

[–]Coridimus 1 point2 points ago

His wife was even worse. She was known for interrupting the Cabinet to tell jokes about the "darkies".

[–]mcole666 2 points3 points ago

This was the guy who trampled on the Bill of Rights. He can go fuck himself.

[–]Willusions 6 points7 points ago

I'm not sure if you realize this, but Woodrow Wilson was an extreme bigot...not to diminish from this, of course. I just thought everyone should know.

[–]CalCapone 1 point2 points ago

So was every white male back then. Well, 90%.

[–]Willusions 0 points1 point ago

Exactly, so no one can profess him as some revolutionary or visionary leader, because he was no different than many others.

[–]shopthewhop 4 points5 points ago

You do realize Wilson was an extreme racist who reinstated segregation into federal facilities and had a soft spot for eugenics

[–]zaxgreatness 3 points4 points ago

While talk of evolution is nice, the person you quote was a constitutional horror show, who imposed racial segregation in federal employment and waged war on free speech, imprisoning Americans opposed to World War I. Stick with Darwin himself, let the ideas speak for themselves, and don't quote the George Dubyuh of the 19th century.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

20th century. This is the 21st, btw.

[–]nixons_dog -1 points0 points ago

I wouldn't say he's that bad. His wartime leadership and economic policy make him one of the more highly regarded presidents of the last century.

[–]loliwearhats 1 point2 points ago

His wartime leadership consisted of him denouncing any group of people whom he thought didn't support his War policies as disloyal un-Americans and refusing to compromise with anyone who did not accept his policies as whole cloth. Why did the Democrats do so badly in 1920? Because Wilson had spent the previous three years accusing the European Ethnic Americans, who were weary of war and who made up half the party, of being loathsome traitors. He refused to allow the senate to advise him on the Treaty of Versailles. He had dissidents locked up for speaking against the war and opposing conscription, including the aging Eugene Debs, head of the Socialist Party against the advice of his Attorney-General. After the war, his AG declared that Bolsheviks were plotting Red Revolution and predicted an insurrection to take place on May 1, 1920, while raiding the offices of various labor and leftist organizations and deporting immigrant activists. His Administration gave official sanction to the 'American Protective League' which was more or less a vigilante group which harassed suspected 'disloyal' elements.

Yes, the Federal Reserve Act, the Clayton Anti-Trust Act, and the League of Nations are all noteworthy things, but The Sedition Act, the Espionage Act, and Red Scare are all deplorable.

[–]ThrowAway195054 1 point2 points ago

Where did he say this? I would like to read it, I have a hard time believing Wilson said this. He was incredibly religious.

[–]DiscordianStooge 4 points5 points ago

Not all religious people are idiots.

[–]ThrowAway195054 0 points1 point ago

I understand this, but I highly doubt that he was so open and supportive about evolution. Read some of his own essays too get a better understanding of Wilson's religious views and how it seeped into other aspects of his life.

[–]loliwearhats 0 points1 point ago

Remember, this was before the decline of Mainline Protestantism. Americans were nearly universally associated with some Church or another, and besides a few fundamentalists, many of them were fairly reasonable-Unitarians, Episcopalians, Methodists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians. During the 1960s, most of these people dropped out of active observance, leaving a withered core of mainline Christianity to be overwhelmed by the Fundamentalists.

Even the Pope believes in evolution.

[–]TheFavorite -1 points0 points ago

Earlier in life yes. He never spoke out in any way against religion but he rarely wrote or spoke about those things. It was also a different time period and a different culture. Most people back then would seem extreme today. For his time period Wilson was not by any means "incredibly religious".

[–]ThrowAway195054 0 points1 point ago

First, being incredibly religious does not compute too idiot too me, I never implied that Mr. Wilson is an idiot. Yes indeed he was from a different era, but reading through several documents, speeches, ect Woodrow Wilson's rhetoric was steeped with religious tones; I found it reasonable to conclude that Woodrow Wilson was a deeply religious man.

Woodrow Wilson is an incredibly complex person from that time period and did several things I find too be often far overlooked in people's memory, including my own. it is very interesting and encourage anyone interested too look further into it. I would just like too read where he said this, because I have never come across it and I have doubts.

[–]Kosmonaut_ 1 point2 points ago

Also known for allowing the FED to be created...

[–]JediMasterSam 0 points1 point ago

^

[–]Synergythepariah 0 points1 point ago

The FED is literally hitler.

[–]nixons_dog -1 points0 points ago

Oh no, not a central bank and lender of last resort that might ease liquidity issues during recessions and ensure that interest rates remain stable over time. That would be horrible.

[–]Kosmonaut_ 0 points1 point ago

printing more money causes inflation and devalues currency

[–]nixons_dog 0 points1 point ago

Yes, but inflation is the most evil thing in the world. Low, steady inflation is necessary to maintain liquidity in financial markets and ease us through recessions.

[–]sleepinlight 1 point2 points ago

First intelligent quote I've ever seen from Wilson. This man was a horrible president.

[–]WorkerBee27 0 points1 point ago

keywords: intelligence and education

It's amazing how many people are scientifically illiterate.

[–]KidCuchi 0 points1 point ago

I expect nothing less from a Johns Hopkins educated man! Upvoted

[–]gaj7 0 points1 point ago

It makes me sad to think that my hopefully wishing that I will live to see the day that atheism will surpass Christianity can be compared to a christian believing Jesus will come again in their lifetime.

[–]toonces37 0 points1 point ago

I like the ad.

[–]nelmoniter 0 points1 point ago

I'm related to him. He is my great great uncle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Woodrow Wilson on War..

" The choice we make for ourselves must be made with a moderation of counsel and a temperateness of judgment befitting our character and our motives as a nation. We must put excited feeling away. Our motive will not be revenge or the victorious assertion of the physical might of the nation, but only the vindication of right, of human right, of which we are only a single champion. "

This guy was seriously a fucking hero. Least appreciated President EVER.

[–]Aiwatcher 0 points1 point ago

Woody wilson isn't really a champion of Atheists. He was extremely Presbyterian and looked down on anyone that wasn't.

[–]alschei 4 points5 points ago

That's the point. Even educated theists saw evolution as patently obvious back then, even given the limited evidence available at the time.

[–]TheFavorite 1 point2 points ago

No. He was Presbyterian and his father was a minister but...religion played less and less a role in his life as time progressed. Not that he was agnostic or atheist in the slightest, but he was far from fundamentalist and did not attend a Presbyterian church for decades of his life.

[–]anonoman925 0 points1 point ago

Wasn't Wilson a vegetable by '22?

[–]loliwearhats 0 points1 point ago

That's sorta what I thought too. He had a stroke in 1919, though, apparently he was able to make a few speeches in 1923, according to wiki.

[–]LeetroyJnkns -1 points0 points ago

He was a Democrat so the fundies won't even hear him out.

[–]Arevordi -2 points-1 points ago

And it was in 1922...