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90 years later still... (sharerpics.com)
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[–]yellownumberfive 29 points30 points31 points 3 months ago
Sure, take a librul socialist Muslim like Woodrow Wilson's word for it. I want to see that guy's birth certificate. Long form, of course.
[–]Kadx 16 points17 points18 points 3 months ago
Nigga, you just went full retard.
[–]yellownumberfive 16 points17 points18 points 3 months ago
Congratulations, you noticed the hyperbole.
[–]Kadx 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago
Why, thank you
[–]reidhasguitar 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago
Tsk-tsk.
[–]BordomBeThyName 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
http://i.imgur.com/ZMsQo.jpg
[–]DutchmanDavid 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Are you 9gaggers at it again? That poor girl!
[–]BackNipples 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
yeah, i could tell your bole was hyper right as i read your first comment
[–]TheFavorite 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
He kind of was a socialist though. Or rather, he had the full socialist backing from members of his party, despite previous more conservative leanings. That said, you gotta love the only president thus far to have PhD
[–]the_penultimate_user 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I withdraw my argument, you are correct sir.
[–]soccergirl13 20 points21 points22 points 3 months ago
Too bad he was a white supremacist...
[–]yellownumberfive 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago
It's OK, blacks weren't considered real people circa 1915, neither were women.
[–]TimeKillerSP 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
and his understanding of evolution supported those views.
You can't regard it in the same light as today because society said it was okay. Imagine if he had grown up today and was taught everyone was equal,I doubt he would hold the same views.
[–]loliwearhats 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Yes we can judge Wilson for being a racist. Remember, that he segregated the federal workforce. It was not segregated prior to his administration. Theodore Roosevelt was willing to invite black intellectuals to dine at the White House, while two presidents later Wilson is proclaiming their inferiority. Plenty of educated intellectuals in 1922 knew better than that.
[–]nermid 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Theodore Roosevelt was willing to invite black intellectuals to dine at the White House
I keep reading stuff about Teddy Roosevelt, and I keep agreeing with his policies.
Sure, there were a couple of things he pushed for in the Bull-Moose party that I don't agree with, but fuck, the Democrats are only just now getting as far Left as the Bull Moose Party was 100 years ago.
[–]loliwearhats 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
If you want some balance TR, read Gore Vidal's essay on him. Call's him a sissy
A sissy? I've heard he once hunted down a pair of people who stole his boat, beat them to a pulp, tied them up, then floated downriver and delivered them to authorities.
Could you kindly link me to this essay, so I can see how somebody like that could be a sissy?
I read a hard copy. lemme check
"Theodore Roosevelt: An American Sissy" The New York Review of Books, August 13, 1981
Found a copy online.
I cannot help but think that this is the least balanced essay I have read in some time. It just reads like the sort of biography one writes about that asshole who tripped you in High School.
Variously he is not reformist enough, not interested in politics, too reformist, rich and sheltered, too driven toward politics, rich and corrupt, ineffectual against corruption, blind to corruption, a warmonger, a coward, too cavalier with guns, interventionist, and a fascist.
It mentions the Nazis, for fuck's sake. In an essay about a man who died in 1919. The Nazi Party wasn't even formed until 1920!
I am, as you can tell, less than impressed.
[–]CalCapone 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Sadly, there ARE plenty of idiots around today who are racist, sexist, pieces of crap.
[–]Melkor_Morgoth 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
By all reference materials I've read, Wilson said this in 1912.
[–]HeadCreep 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
Of course, let's not forget that Wilson was racist and deeply religious.
[–]Coridimus 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
His wife was even worse. She was known for interrupting the Cabinet to tell jokes about the "darkies".
[–]mcole666 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
This was the guy who trampled on the Bill of Rights. He can go fuck himself.
[–]Willusions 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago
I'm not sure if you realize this, but Woodrow Wilson was an extreme bigot...not to diminish from this, of course. I just thought everyone should know.
[–]CalCapone 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
So was every white male back then. Well, 90%.
[–]Willusions 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Exactly, so no one can profess him as some revolutionary or visionary leader, because he was no different than many others.
[–]shopthewhop 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
You do realize Wilson was an extreme racist who reinstated segregation into federal facilities and had a soft spot for eugenics
[–]zaxgreatness 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago
While talk of evolution is nice, the person you quote was a constitutional horror show, who imposed racial segregation in federal employment and waged war on free speech, imprisoning Americans opposed to World War I. Stick with Darwin himself, let the ideas speak for themselves, and don't quote the George Dubyuh of the 19th century.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago
20th century. This is the 21st, btw.
[–]nixons_dog -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago
I wouldn't say he's that bad. His wartime leadership and economic policy make him one of the more highly regarded presidents of the last century.
His wartime leadership consisted of him denouncing any group of people whom he thought didn't support his War policies as disloyal un-Americans and refusing to compromise with anyone who did not accept his policies as whole cloth. Why did the Democrats do so badly in 1920? Because Wilson had spent the previous three years accusing the European Ethnic Americans, who were weary of war and who made up half the party, of being loathsome traitors. He refused to allow the senate to advise him on the Treaty of Versailles. He had dissidents locked up for speaking against the war and opposing conscription, including the aging Eugene Debs, head of the Socialist Party against the advice of his Attorney-General. After the war, his AG declared that Bolsheviks were plotting Red Revolution and predicted an insurrection to take place on May 1, 1920, while raiding the offices of various labor and leftist organizations and deporting immigrant activists. His Administration gave official sanction to the 'American Protective League' which was more or less a vigilante group which harassed suspected 'disloyal' elements.
Yes, the Federal Reserve Act, the Clayton Anti-Trust Act, and the League of Nations are all noteworthy things, but The Sedition Act, the Espionage Act, and Red Scare are all deplorable.
[–]ThrowAway195054 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Where did he say this? I would like to read it, I have a hard time believing Wilson said this. He was incredibly religious.
[–]DiscordianStooge 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
Not all religious people are idiots.
[–]ThrowAway195054 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I understand this, but I highly doubt that he was so open and supportive about evolution. Read some of his own essays too get a better understanding of Wilson's religious views and how it seeped into other aspects of his life.
Remember, this was before the decline of Mainline Protestantism. Americans were nearly universally associated with some Church or another, and besides a few fundamentalists, many of them were fairly reasonable-Unitarians, Episcopalians, Methodists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians. During the 1960s, most of these people dropped out of active observance, leaving a withered core of mainline Christianity to be overwhelmed by the Fundamentalists.
Even the Pope believes in evolution.
[–]TheFavorite -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago
Earlier in life yes. He never spoke out in any way against religion but he rarely wrote or spoke about those things. It was also a different time period and a different culture. Most people back then would seem extreme today. For his time period Wilson was not by any means "incredibly religious".
First, being incredibly religious does not compute too idiot too me, I never implied that Mr. Wilson is an idiot. Yes indeed he was from a different era, but reading through several documents, speeches, ect Woodrow Wilson's rhetoric was steeped with religious tones; I found it reasonable to conclude that Woodrow Wilson was a deeply religious man.
Woodrow Wilson is an incredibly complex person from that time period and did several things I find too be often far overlooked in people's memory, including my own. it is very interesting and encourage anyone interested too look further into it. I would just like too read where he said this, because I have never come across it and I have doubts.
[–]Kosmonaut_ 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Also known for allowing the FED to be created...
[–]JediMasterSam 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
^
[–]Synergythepariah 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
The FED is literally hitler.
Oh no, not a central bank and lender of last resort that might ease liquidity issues during recessions and ensure that interest rates remain stable over time. That would be horrible.
[–]Kosmonaut_ 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
printing more money causes inflation and devalues currency
[–]nixons_dog 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Yes, but inflation is the most evil thing in the world. Low, steady inflation is necessary to maintain liquidity in financial markets and ease us through recessions.
[–]sleepinlight 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
First intelligent quote I've ever seen from Wilson. This man was a horrible president.
[–]WorkerBee27 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
keywords: intelligence and education
It's amazing how many people are scientifically illiterate.
[–]KidCuchi 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I expect nothing less from a Johns Hopkins educated man! Upvoted
[–]gaj7 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
It makes me sad to think that my hopefully wishing that I will live to see the day that atheism will surpass Christianity can be compared to a christian believing Jesus will come again in their lifetime.
[–]toonces37 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I like the ad.
[–]nelmoniter 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I'm related to him. He is my great great uncle.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Woodrow Wilson on War..
" The choice we make for ourselves must be made with a moderation of counsel and a temperateness of judgment befitting our character and our motives as a nation. We must put excited feeling away. Our motive will not be revenge or the victorious assertion of the physical might of the nation, but only the vindication of right, of human right, of which we are only a single champion. "
This guy was seriously a fucking hero. Least appreciated President EVER.
[–]Aiwatcher 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Woody wilson isn't really a champion of Atheists. He was extremely Presbyterian and looked down on anyone that wasn't.
[–]alschei 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
That's the point. Even educated theists saw evolution as patently obvious back then, even given the limited evidence available at the time.
[–]TheFavorite 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
No. He was Presbyterian and his father was a minister but...religion played less and less a role in his life as time progressed. Not that he was agnostic or atheist in the slightest, but he was far from fundamentalist and did not attend a Presbyterian church for decades of his life.
[–]anonoman925 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Wasn't Wilson a vegetable by '22?
That's sorta what I thought too. He had a stroke in 1919, though, apparently he was able to make a few speeches in 1923, according to wiki.
[–]bluescape -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 months ago
Downvoted because Woodrow Wilson was the worst president this country ever had.
Why do you believe this is true? I'm honestly incredibly curious as to why such words would be said on a community that I like believe is at least moderately intelligent.
[–]bluescape 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Research his part in the formation of the IRS, the federal reserve, and the manufactured financial crisis of his time. I'm incredibly curious as to how you could think he was even a remotely good president
[–]nixons_dog 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
The IRS collects taxes, that's kind of important for a government. The Fed is a central bank. Pretty much every nation has one and no one who understands them thinks that they are evil.
[–]bluescape 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
You're really missing the mark on this one. The Federal Reserve moves the power to print currency from the government into the hands of a private bank. This was done in response to the bankers that wanted such power artificially creating a financial crisis to scare people into okaying the federal reserve. The IRS collects a large amount of unconstitutional taxes and was birthed during said fake scare. The entire story is one that's more akin to financial racketeering than financial stability.
The Fed is not private, it's independent. A study showed that an independent central banks result in much lower inflation over time. Even if it were private that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. The Bank of England was private for a long time and many economists that would be a good way from stopping the government from excessively manipulating the money supply.
That financial crisis was not artificially manufactured. It was a common over-extention by banks. JP Morgan had to save the entire financial system on his own. This is obviously not a long-term solution and thus the Fed was created.
How is anything the IRS does unconstitutional? The taxes it collects are allowed by the Constitution.
bullshit the taxes collected go directly to the FED learn your shit
The Federal Government? Well yeah, that's how taxes work. Do you mean the Federal Reserve? The Fed doesn't collect any taxes.
You're right. The Fed doesn't collect income tax, the IRS collects income taxes and then the govt uses that money to pay the interest on the money loaned to the US govt that the Fed printed.
It's the biggest scheme.
you should look up the rothchild banking dynasty and learn a thing or two
It's not a "scheme", it's called public finance and it's a lot more complicated than that. The Rothchilds do not run all international commerce. That's silly superstition born of ignorance and racism.
[–]SilentExchange 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago*
Woodrow Wilson is ranked in the top ten presidents in all but the two Wall Street Journal pollings (in which he is #11) of these 20 polls. He was even ranked in 8th place by the Conservative polling.
You're trying to use the bandwagon falacy to convince me he was a decent president. I suggest you research his part in the formation of the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and his part in the manufactured financial crisis of his time and see if you still think he's super great.
[–]SilentExchange 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I can play this game too! But, in all seriousness, Wilson's creation of the IRS, Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax were all perspicacious additions at the time considering they, in large part, financed the two world wars, and I am not seeing a financial crisis during his presidency on wikipedia or Encyclopedia.com. Furthermore, Wilson's handling of WWI was level-headed and astute while his revolutionary Fourteen Points and contributions to League of Nations (both well ahead of their time) stablized post-war Europe despite the many obsticles (including the Congress) and earned him a Nobel Peace Prize.
[–]LeetroyJnkns -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago
He was a Democrat so the fundies won't even hear him out.
[–]Arevordi -2 points-1 points0 points 3 months ago
And it was in 1922...
[–][deleted] -19 points-18 points-17 points 3 months ago
90 years later, there are still no transitional fossils
Darwin, Charles R.
Hitching, Francis
Woodroff, D.S.
Ridley, Mark
Gould, Stephen J.
Eldredge, N. and Tattersall, I.
Gould, Stephen J
Eldredge, Niles
Simpson, George Gaylord
Brouwer, A.
Dawkins, Richard
[–]Billybones116 14 points15 points16 points 3 months ago
Almost all life leaves no fossil when it dies. Fossil gaps exist because fossils are rare.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago
How come you always quote chapter and verse on your Bible posts, but rarely on these? Could it be that you don't want us to view these quotations in context?
[–]miborovsky 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
I've "debated" this fundie before, and yes, he always uses the same few quotes, and yes, they're ridiculously out-of-context. I provided the context and he shut the fuck up, but unfortunately only on that thread.
[–]aggie1391 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago
Go to Google. Type in 'transitional fossils'. See the thousands we have found. Learn some and don't make ignorant comments again.
[–]yellownumberfive 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
The only real fossils in this day and age are creationists, what else would you call somebody whose scientific literacy ends in the 1400s.
I downvoted you because you seem dump some contextless quotes in the hope to win people over to "evilution" camp...
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