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It's like the anti-Pascal's Wager (imgur.com)
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[–]matchingcapes 14 points15 points16 points 2 months ago
It's incorrectly attributed to Marcus Arelius.
[–]SebMer 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
Powerful quote, I'm curious who said it originally now?
[–]bigmad50 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago
May just be a complete fabrication. Here's the quote it may have been molded from:
"Now departure from the world of men is nothing to fear, if gods exist: because they would not involve you in any harm. If they do not exist, or if they have no care for humankind, then what is life to me in a world devoid of gods, or devoid of providence? But they do exist, and they do care for humankind: and they have put it absolutely in man's power to avoid falling into the true kinds of harm." —Marcus Aurelius
[–]B-roox 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Complete fabrication by who? The words didn't assemble themselves...
[–]follier 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
RandomGuyonTheInternet88@aol.com
[–]ilikeitok 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Cheeky bastard.
[–]grandpa 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
Nobody knows: it popped up on the internet a couple of years ago. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Marcus_Aurelius#Misattributed
[–]ghastlyactions 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago
I love when someone uses Pascal's wager. (For those few who don't know: you should believe in god because the consequences are pretty bad and there's no downside to believing.) First: that's not evidence of god only a reason to believe. Second: if you believe Pascal's wager, you should worship whatever god has the most benefits and worst downsides... and that wouldn't be the Christian God. Zeus'll send you to hell, but he'll also rape your wife.
[–]peted1884 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
I believe Pascal's wager was not to believe in God, but that you may as well worship God just in case he exists.
[–]ghastlyactions 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Exactly my point. It is used as an argument that god exists, but it isn't one. It's also used as a reason to worship the Christian god, and it isn't one. It's a fairly good argument as to why you should worship the Greek gods I suppose....
[–]moriquendo 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
I've always found that kind of funny. Say you are God (omniscient and all) and there is this guy who says he believes in you just to be on the safe side. Do you fall for his little ploy? Or do you send him back to (more or less) square one and reincarnate him as an eukaryote. Or maybe you create a fake paradise for such people, so they can continue deluding themselves while believing they've deluded you... Oh that would be so much fun. I want to be a god too! Of course, if your name is Zeus, then all you need to do is decide which one of the guy's daughters to seduce (you can do that while you "take care" of his wife)...
[–]dschiff 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
Still a misattributed or paraphrased quote.
But I like the sentiment! It is a sort of anti-Pascal wager!
[–]SimilarImage 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
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[–]Jasejunk 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Good to know there's someone out there misattributing quotes that almost perfectly describe how I feel.
[–]Bobfigio 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Shut up you reposting whore!
[–]Yagarobe 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Fucking YES
[–]pantsabovewaist 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
REPOST
[–]acauseforconcern 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
Pascal's wager is asinine this is much more sound advice
[–]dudin8er 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
So glad to share the name of this emperor of Rome.
[–]crazystrawman -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 months ago
Really? This again? Guys, I don't know if you're familiar with modern monotheism, but on the slight chance we're wrong, we're fucked. The rules of Christianity, Islam, et cetera, clearly state we're fucked. They dress up the language a little, but that's the gist.
This is a dumb quote; even as an atheist I don't get it.
[–][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 2 months ago
Ezekiel 33:11-20
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, I do not have pleasure in the death of the wicked, except in the wicked turning from his way, and so to live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! For why will you die, O house of Israel? And you, son of man, say to the sons of your people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his trespass. And the evil of the evil, in the day he turns from his wickedness, he shall not fall by it. And the righteous shall not be able to live by it in the day he sins. Though I say to the righteous, He shall surely live, yet he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, all his righteousness shall not be remembered; but he shall die for his iniquity which he has done. And though I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; if he turns from his sin and does justice and righteousness, if the wicked returns the pledge, he repays the thing stolen,he walks in the statutes of life, not doing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. All his sins which he has sinned shall not be remembered to him; he has done justice and righteousness, he shall surely live. Yet the sons of your people say, The way of the Lord is not fair. But they, even their way is not fair. When the righteous turns from his righteousness and does iniquity, he shall even die by them. But if the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does justice and righteousness, he shall live by them. Yet you say, The way of the Lord is not fair. I shall judge you, each man by his ways, O house of Israel.
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, I do not have pleasure in the death of the wicked, except in the wicked turning from his way, and so to live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
And you, son of man, say to the sons of your people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his trespass. And the evil of the evil, in the day he turns from his wickedness, he shall not fall by it. And the righteous shall not be able to live by it in the day he sins.
Though I say to the righteous, He shall surely live, yet he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, all his righteousness shall not be remembered; but he shall die for his iniquity which he has done.
And though I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; if he turns from his sin and does justice and righteousness,
if the wicked returns the pledge, he repays the thing stolen,he walks in the statutes of life, not doing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
All his sins which he has sinned shall not be remembered to him; he has done justice and righteousness, he shall surely live.
Yet the sons of your people say, The way of the Lord is not fair. But they, even their way is not fair.
When the righteous turns from his righteousness and does iniquity, he shall even die by them.
But if the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does justice and righteousness, he shall live by them.
Yet you say, The way of the Lord is not fair. I shall judge you, each man by his ways, O house of Israel.
[–]Strudol 7 points8 points9 points 2 months ago
dude, i'm just going to come out and say it: give it up. you aren't going to convert a single person on this sub-reddit. posting bible verses literally means nothing to us because not a single one of us believes that bible is a holy book. i admire your tenacity, but you're wasting your time
[–]Prime-eight 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
For a little while I thought this was a satirical account, but this dudes pretty twisted (I assume it's a guy) the conspiracy uploads make me think he's more than likely insane.
[–]Strudol 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
conspiracy? i only saw a lot of religious shit. you got some links?
[–]Prime-eight 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago*
Sadly I'm on a mobile device and I can't seem to copy and paste the links. I hope it's not too much of an inconvenience to just check his account for his submitted links to r/conspiracy. I saw some about feminism, Ron paul, anonymous being run by government and a lot of shit about the illumati.
haha oh this is gonna be good
[–]gousssam 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
What upsets me more are the quotes, that he takes out of context, from evolutionary biologists that appear to be denying evolution.
indeed, I rarely ever read them but i'm sure if i did some research i could fund where it came from. and i am a bio major so stuff like that really pisses me off
[–]gousssam 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago
took me ten minutes, it was just biologists talking about punctuated evolution so the quotes were like: "so there is no evidence of gradual change in the fossil record that you would expect from Darwin's evolution"
ah that makes sense. i seriously he even does his own research. probably just pulls the quotes off of a creationist website or something
[–]superdago 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago
I'm legitimately curious, what exactly do you believe quoting bible verses in /r/atheism will bring about? Atheists don't believe in god and reject the validity of the bible as proof of him (circular reasoning and such) so what's the point?
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 months ago
If God wills, then someone might read the verses I post and may be converted. If not, you guys might as well as hate Christianity for what it really is and not your guy's misconception of it
[–]I_am_the_Jukebox 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago
Are you positive you're not in love with your misconception of what it is, and not what it truly is? The way you're acting with such hubris is insulting - claiming to know the Truth to those who on average know far more about your religion than most who claim to practice it.
You can link a good bible excerpt, but what of the many that espouse hatred, bigotry, the rampant cases of misogyny, and slavery? Where is the glory in that? Where is the divine message of good? If you think blind preaching and cherry picked bible quotes showing the "love" of god can get those of us who have seen the other side to forget the hate, then you are full of hubris.
[–]Shainsworth 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago
You mean self-contradictory concepts of god, horrible genocide, rape, and slavery, followed by pacifism, the golden rule, and blood sacrifice?
we don't hate Christianity, we dislike the people who try to force it on others and get angry when their beliefs are criticized even though they regularly tell muslims or other religions that they are going to hell.
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