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AOL and Windows 8 (i.imgur.com)

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[–]donnarloki 171 points172 points ago

while I can understand why windows is developing a tablet pc os, what I do not understand is why they have to destroy my desktop pc experience to it.

[–]powertopeople 36 points37 points ago

You can disable this UI and use the standard Windows desktop whenever you'd like within the Windows 8 settings.

[–]Psythik 22 points23 points ago

How? I'd love nothing more than to get rid of that clunky Metro interface and get my Start menu back. I find it ridiculous that I have to to go through three different menus just to restart. What's worse is that I'm an I.T. guy and had to Google how to do it. And I still don't know how to pin apps to the Metro Start menu. How does Microsoft expect the average Joe to figure this stuff out when I couldn't?

[–]Randomacts 45 points46 points ago

Did windows 8 come out while I was asleep?

[–]KuloDiamond 5 points6 points ago

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download

[–]DrFunkalot 1 point2 points ago

You can get it as like a beta/preview or something. Sorry to link you to Gizmodo but here is how to get Windows 8 now.

[–]Randomacts 1 point2 points ago

Thanks, still more waiting I see then. No big deal tho, I only plan on using it for a family computer for awhile no reason to upgrade my windows 7.

[–]eclipse007 0 points1 point ago

Windows 8 Consumer Preview Download

[–]internet-arbiter -3 points-2 points ago

obviously you use Bing

[–]akav0id 19 points20 points ago

Is the disable option called, "not to install Windows 8 and to stick too Windows 7"?

[–]noreallyimthepope 2 points3 points ago

It's not too Windows 7, it's toonot Windows 7.

[–]Do_The_Scarn 6 points7 points ago

*to

[–]akav0id 14 points15 points ago

oops.
I'm not going to correct my typo either, because that would just make your comment look silly instead and that would be mean.

[–]Jessarium 2 points3 points ago

You're good people.

[–]Do_The_Scarn 1 point2 points ago

Upvotes for everyone for internet gentlemanliness!

[–]fdg456n 5 points6 points ago

No, you can't. There's no "turn metro off" setting.

[–]ScottCarmichael 2 points3 points ago

Unless new info has come out in the last 43 minutes, this is false.

The [only] users who may be able to make Metro not show up by default are Enterprise Edition users.

Everyone else? Your stuck with Metro by default. Classic Desktop is secondary.

[–]ThePhenix 0 points1 point ago

Great, was thinking I was going to have to go back to DOS or something xD

[–]TinyEarl 0 points1 point ago

No, you can't. You can still get to the standard desktop, but the start menu / windows key IS the metro UI.

[–]SrsSteel 0 points1 point ago

You can disable the tablet shit but then you don't get your start menu, it's like windows 7 but instead of having start you have shit

[–]volt1up -1 points0 points ago

Is this true? Still waiting for confirmation.

[–]Xenxe 11 points12 points ago

Microsoft doesn't believe in adding onto things. Look at what they did to the xna creators club for instance. it was once a place you could go to read tutorials and code samples for the xna framework to make games for windows and xbox. but since they made their new line of windows phones that support the xna framework they bulldozed the site and it is now apphub. The apphub is terrible. it still has tutorials but most all of them are directed towards windows phones. I want the old site back :<

tl;dr microsoft killed something and replaced it with something terrible

[–]PaperBlankets -1 points0 points ago

I hope you realize that your first sentence is an argument stating Microsoft would prefer to have the Desktop and tablet/ARM OS's as separate entities. Which is the opposite of what you are trying to say.

[–]Xenxe 4 points5 points ago

I would just like them to keep all the information and documents they had before they bulldozed the website. They can have xna development on their phones that's actually pretty cool. But damnit I was still learning xna and now its harder to do so.

[–]PaperBlankets 2 points3 points ago

Totally I can understand that. I just think its a hard point to make as a blanket statement for all of Microsoft considering it is the opposite of what they are doing for Winodws 8 development (They ARE adding onto things), im not commenting on if that will be a good thing or not, we will see.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I think where Windows 8 will really shine is on a laptop.

[–]willscy 1 point2 points ago

You aren't required to upgrade every single time you know. Win7 is more than adequate for a desktop/laptop OS.

[–]SarahC 6 points7 points ago

I LOVED Windows XP's Start menu.

It was mouse friendly.

Click start..... I removed all the crap I hadn't used previously, so there were about 4 options on it, one being "Programs".

The main submenu of "Programs", was "Games, Programming, Network, Media, Internet"

Under "Media", was "Media Players, Video editors, Audio editors, ...."

And so on... my mouse hand remembered the mouse movement for the most used ones.

"Click, down a bit, right, down 4, right, click..."

If I forgot where it was, I could find it easy!

NOW! In Windows 7.......

I have the start menu on the left side of the screen, like in XP:

I click START, "All programs" is now at the BOTTOM of the window, as far from the START button as it can be!

Then I click "All programs", and it's back up to the top with the mouse.

Then the programs are a bitch to navigate, sub folders are below folders, not to the right, so they all mash up with the content I'm not interested in.

=(

I use desktop shortcuts and a few Taskbar Pins now.

[–]thecatgoesmoo 21 points22 points ago

Windows key, type in what you want, hit enter. Way faster than any mouse driven menu system.

Alternatively, you can ping common things to the start menu, or task bar, for quick access.

While I also liked XP, Windows7 is superior in every way when it comes to efficiency.

[–]WolfrikM 0 points1 point ago

This.

When I first saw this design I wasn't sold. It looked a little better and felt nicer to look at as a desktop (never liked the XP themes) after finding out that you could search for the program you wanted to launch, with a fairly consistently fast speed, I was fuckin' sold. The only time I look in the all programs menu anymore is if i need to see what was just installed, like the crapware with a new printer or camera, so i can remove it.

[–]thecatgoesmoo 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, organizing the start menu in XP used to be an art, and something that lots of people took pride in. With Windows7 you quickly realize that there is no need to organize it at all. I don't think I've gone into, "All Programs," for the past 6 months.

[–]SarahC 0 points1 point ago

Kool! Ta!

[–]phenomenos 7 points8 points ago

Most people have the start button at the bottom of the screen, so if you click Start then All Programs is very close by. Besides in Windows 7 you can click Start and then just type the first few letters of the program you want to run and hit enter when it comes up. But if you're determined to use only your mouse I find the way subfolders to work in Win7 to be logical enough.

[–]Slime0 3 points4 points ago

Yeah, I don't think it's fair criticism to say "I moved my start button from the default location, and as a result the 'programs' button is not near it." His other criticism is valid; the programs menu is indeed harder to use in Windows 7 than it was in XP.

[–]phenomenos 0 points1 point ago

Really? I prefer the Win7 one myself.

[–]Llanolinn 3 points4 points ago

.. "All programs" is now at the bottom of the window, as far from the start button as can be..

er.. What? Im not following you. The start button is on the toolbar at the bottom. You click, all programs is at the bottom, true. The first option after start. So.. it's actually as close to the start button as it can be...

[–]RankinBass 2 points3 points ago

I'm guessing her task bar is set to the top of the screen.

[–]Llanolinn 0 points1 point ago

Durrr. Alright. Carry on. Makes sense now. =P

[–]CliqueMobster 0 points1 point ago

He puts his toolbar on the left for some reason.

[–]SarahC 0 points1 point ago

Ah, sorry - I forgot to add that the taskbar is situated on the left hand side of the screen.

[–]jeremiahbarnes 2 points3 points ago

You should use desktop shortcuts from the start. Much easier than going through folders for one executable.

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[–]Radialshifter 0 points1 point ago

GASP?! and ruin my sexy rainmeter desktop!?! I THINK NOT!

[–]akav0id 1 point2 points ago

Use classicshell ;) http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

[–]SarahC 1 point2 points ago

Thanks!

[–]_AlphaOmega 1 point2 points ago

Add a quick launch, you can store the folder for it it on the task bar. Hide text and hide title, BOOM Windows XP style quick launch. I have to have my quick launch.

It's easy!

[–]SarahC 0 points1 point ago

Oh cool! Thanks!

[–]lasermancer 0 points1 point ago

To be fair, you can just type the name of the program you want now instead of having to go through menus. The search feature was absolutely shit in XP, but now it actually works in Windows 7. It lacks features, but its almost as good as Gnome Do in Linux, or Quicksilver in OS X.

[–]pomegranati -1 points0 points ago

windows 8 fixed that with the metro UI. It's basically the start menu in full screen, with bigger icons, and better scrolling. To scroll across your page, you just have to push your mouse further left or right.

[–]EnlightenedConstruct 3 points4 points ago

That sounds incredibly inefficient.

[–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

it's quite efficient to be honest. Personally, I don't like to precisely place my mouse cursor on icons when I launch them, so the bigger icons mean that I have more area to place my icons, so I don't have to be exact. As far as the scrolling goes, it's like on a tablet when you can swipe across until you get to the general screen where your application is. On windows 8, you just have to push the mouse further left or right to get to the general area of the application that you want. Also, you get the entire screen, as opposed to quarter of a screen.

[–]CharonIDRONES 0 points1 point ago

I bet you have one of those old people phones with the huge buttons.

[–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

I have a dumb phone, yes.

[–]EnlightenedConstruct 0 points1 point ago

Hogging the entire screen is a good thing?

[–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

in this instance, yes. Because when you open the start menu in windows 7, you're focused on the start menu rather than the desktop. However, it only use a quarter of screen to display all your programs. In windows 8, the metro UI is the start menu, so you're focused on the start menu, but you get to use the entire screen to see your programs. Then, when you click on one, it'll close the metro UI and opens up whatever you just clicked on, just like the start menu in windows 7. It's not so much hogging, because it doesn't stick around while you use other things. It's more that it's utilizing the entire screen when you're using it.

[–]Bloaf 0 points1 point ago

The metro UI needs to make better use of the scroll wheel or its analogues.

[–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

the scroll wheel works too. it'll scroll through the icons just like windows 7.

[–]Bloaf 0 points1 point ago

It seemed inconsistent to me. I would like it to work in the apps as well. I'm pretty sure side scrolling had no effect in an any part of the UI.

[–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

it's two different flavors for how people want to navigate it.

[–]SarahC 1 point2 points ago

to do it.

My brain kinda went off the rails a little, and I had to put it in to fix it up again. =)

[–]ScottCarmichael 0 points1 point ago

what I do not understand is why they have to destroy my desktop pc experience to it.

Because Microsoft HAS to get their tablet UI in front of the public...at all costs. They're thinking is that Windows 8 will fail just like Vista did...but hopefully by the time Windows 9 comes out, most consumers will have the right hardware (touch screens).

Problem is, giant & AFFORDABLE touch screen displays for desktop usage is still probably close to 10 years away.

[–]jubbing 55 points56 points ago

Somehow I'm pretty sure they're not even remotely close to the same thing...

[–]HE_WHO_STANDS_TO_POO 10 points11 points ago

Hmmmmm, you've got a brew going on over there. I think you may be on to something.

[–]ThePhenix -1 points0 points ago

A what? What the fuck does tea have to do with this? Okay guys, it's time we threw off the oppressors and started a revolution. How does Boston sound for a start?

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    [–]HPeroit 19 points20 points ago

    I suggest people actually check out windows 8 before jumping on the hate train... it's actually really incredible

    [–]notsurewhatiam 5 points6 points ago

    Its nice, fluid, and fast but they really should have made two different OSes, one for desktops and one for tablets.

    [–]HPeroit 0 points1 point ago

    Well, they originally did. the OS that the tablet team made, though, was so good according to microsoft (take that however youd like) that they decided to incorporate it into desktops as well... I don't think of it as a negative by any means though.

    [–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

    I actually like this one for the desktop. I work much faster than this because it somehow makes launching applications faster when the icons are huge.

    [–]badplasmid 1 point2 points ago

    I tried it and didn't like it. I will use Win7 as long as I can, then move onto a new linux distro when support for 7 dies. I hate the ribbon, hate the metro ui. I just can't stand most of it. Hopefully steam will be ported to linux and the growing use of OSX will mean more development for non-directx computers.

    [–]hzj 0 points1 point ago

    Steam for Linux is in production =) so we may get it really soon

    [–]badplasmid 0 points1 point ago

    Yea, I read about that and am excited. I just hope the devs/publishers start working toward using directx alternatives more.

    [–]whyufail1 -1 points0 points ago

    Incredibly bad...

    [–]HPeroit 0 points1 point ago

    There is always preference, I suppose, what did you dislike about it?

    [–]whyufail1 0 points1 point ago

    Navigating a convoluted touchscreen UI with a mouse, and the constant attempts to shove LIVE down your throat for starters.

    [–]betterpc 9 points10 points ago

    Awesome job on resizing and re-saving in lower quality. Here's the original source: http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=8885

    [–]used_bathwater 38 points39 points ago

    I don't even want to illegally download that.

    [–]achshar 1 point2 points ago

    right now, it's legally free :)

    [–]fragezeichenmensch 31 points32 points ago

    So far every second Windows was a failure. I like how already people don't like Windows 8

    [–]TMarkos 11 points12 points ago

    Not really an accident - they've just had great success with the enterprise-focused launches they do every other year, and great failure with the retail-focused launches that occur opposite those. We're in the retail-focused part of the cycle, which is why it's failing. Nobody is going to go to Win 8 for enterprise, that'll be the next version.

    [–]TheAmbiguityBuster 2 points3 points ago

    I never noticed that pattern, but it's absolutely true - thanks for pointing it out.

    [–]jeremiahbarnes 1 point2 points ago

    Which is funny cause pretty much everybody I know who know even a little about computers will take the enterprise over the retail everytime.

    [–]Lewke 1 point2 points ago

    I quite like the way the new task manager works. Although there wasn't much wrong with the old one for a decent computer user.

    [–]ScottCarmichael 0 points1 point ago

    It's not a good OS. You can try Windows 8 right now. Go download it and give it a shot. Guarantee you that aside from tablet usage, it has no benefit whatsoever over Windows 7.

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    [–]chrismastere 18 points19 points ago

    You forgot Windows 2000 and Windows 95. Your logic is flawed, also Windows 98 was quite good.

    [–]torokunai 1 point2 points ago

    Win 3 sucked, Win 3.1 OK; Win 95 sucked, Win 98 OK; Win 98SE Sucked, Win 2000 OK. Win ME sucked, Win XP OK. . .

    (NT4 did not support USB so it was not a consumer-space OS.)

    [–]thilehoffer 12 points13 points ago

    Wait, win 98 SE sucked? That was the best. Fast, stable and easy to use.

    [–]luvmuppet 0 points1 point ago

    my best memory of 98 SE was every time I switched from a static to DHCP IP address, it would BSOD. Lovely. :/

    98 didn't support multiple TCP/IP locations. I had to go into the control panels.

    [–]Inspectorkemp 8 points9 points ago

    I think you're mis-remembering 98SE. It added a lot more functionality and stability.

    [–]mrjaksauce 4 points5 points ago

    It looks like someone never used 98se. Huge improvement over 98, which was a massive improvement over 95. It wasn't until they started experimenting with mixing alcohol and programming that things started to go wrong.

    [–]torokunai -1 points0 points ago

    OK . . . Win95 sucked, Win95 OSR2 OK, Win 98 sucked, Win 98SE OK, WinME sucked, WinXP OK, . . .

    [–]mrjaksauce 0 points1 point ago

    http://xkcd.com/323/ :)

    [–]spyd3rweb 0 points1 point ago

    • 3.11: awesome for its time
    • NT: Complete shit, every IT person hates it.
    • 95: bsods everywhere
    • 98: like 95 but without the problems and some new features
    • ME: Utter pile of excrement, what the hell were they thinking
    • 2000 Pro/2000 Server: Best overall OS microsoft has ever made, can run on absolutely ancient hardware because of its lack of bloat. very stable
    • XP/XP-x64/Server 2003: very good, xp-x64 is still very usable by todays standards and is pretty much what Vista should have been, no directX 10 ಠ_ಠ
    • Vista: meh we wont go there
    • Windows 7: Fixed the vista problems, can be configured to behave the same as XP so I don't mind it, but I would use XP if it had DX-10/11
    • Windows 8: Rebadged windows 7 with a shittier UI

    [–]Kimmux 1 point2 points ago

    This guy is closest to the truth of describing the OS's. 2000 was amazing, have never liked an OS more than that. I had a 2000 install last 3 years over 3 motherboard swaps and still ran amazingly fast.

    [–]rakkar16 0 points1 point ago

    Windows 8: Rebadged windows 7 with a shittier UI

    I'll have to disagree with you on that, there's quite a few interesting changes "under the hood".

    The UI is still terrible for a desktop OS though.

    [–]spyd3rweb 2 points3 points ago

    nothing that couldn't have been added to windows 7 with a simple update or service pack.

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      [–]doesnotgetthepoint -1 points0 points ago

      I'll wait till windows 9 to get windows 7

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        [–]chocobomoshpit 15 points16 points ago

        I've been using the Win8 Consumer Preview as my main OS since it launched. It was weird at first, but I've grown to really like it. I spend very little time in the metro interface, and I think most people who have been around Windows will do the same. Metro is for people who don't like computers and makes using one crazy simple, whereas us nerds will hardly need to touch it.

        Then again, I AM on the internet. I shouldn't be so surprised to see people complaining.

        [–]HPeroit 6 points7 points ago

        Yeah, I've been using it too. I really enjoy it. I mean, I still duel boot and it isn't my primary but I actually really like it. The tablet guys at microsoft know whats up

        [–]chocobomoshpit 0 points1 point ago

        Oh, the metro UI is begging to be touched, but I don't have a touch screen monitor... but I do have a Lumia 900, so I at least have some idea as to how it's going to "feel". Pretty excited to give a tablet a shot.

        [–]HPeroit 0 points1 point ago

        Fuck yeah! It's exciting... I love the new tech

        [–]ulrichomega 3 points4 points ago

        No no no. It's something that exists in the OS, therefore I will be spending all of my time using it. It doesn't matter that it functions identically to the Start menu in many ways, and better in some: There are at least a few ways in which it's worse, therefore I get to endlessly complain about it and forget all the good stuff that Windows 8 does.

        And it's different, therefore bad.

        [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

        And it's different, therefore bad.

        No, the problem isn't that it's different.

        The problem is it's change for the sake of change.

        For desktop users, Metro and the decisions around it in Windows 8 actually make users have to do MORE to do what they did in Windows 7 or earlier.

        [–]ulrichomega 0 points1 point ago

        You also ignored the entirety of what I wrote in front of that.

        On top of that, what you said is not true. It functions exactly like the start menu for accessing applications: Press window key, type in name of application, press enter. You can also see more applications at the press of a button because it uses the entire screen. Now, that's a drawback if you're, say, watching a Youtube video in the background and you wanted to launch something, but the situations where you're actively watching something in the background when you want to launch an entirely new program are few and far between.

        I'll admit it does have a few drawbacks, not the least of which is that it breaks with the "New users must be automatically able to figure out what's going on" paradigm (which is very serious, I freely admit), but once you get used to the interface, which takes about a month at the absolute most, it's a much smoother experience.

        [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

        therefore I get to endlessly complain about it and forget all the good stuff that Windows 8 does.

        And what would that be? I can't think of ONE thing it does better on a desktop over 7. Now as a tablet OS, it's fine. But on a desktop? The same or below quality in all respects compared to 7.

        I'll admit it does have a few drawbacks, not the least of which is that it breaks with the "New users must be automatically able to figure out what's going on" paradigm (which is very serious, I freely admit), but once you get used to the interface, which takes about a month at the absolute most, it's a much smoother experience.

        You're funny. You're assuming people WANT to learn a new OS.

        Did you forget how much people bitched over Vista because of minor stuff anyone with two braincells could understand?

        This will be much, much worse.

        [–]ulrichomega -1 points0 points ago

        I can't think of ONE thing it does better on a desktop over 7

        Hybrid Boot

        USB 3.0 support

        Refresh and Reset

        Better Task Manager

        Storage Spaces

        Also

        As for learning a new OS, that's complete rubbish. There are a few new options that users can use if they wish (gestures, clicking certain parts of the screen, etc.). They are by no means forced to learn any of these.

        [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

        USB 3.0 support

        You don't think 7 will have USB 3.0 support?

        Hybrid Boot

        Um, how is this better than any other multi-boot mechanism we already have? This affects a tiny portion of the userbase as well.

        As for learning a new OS, that's complete rubbish. There are a few new options that users can use if they wish (gestures, clicking certain parts of the screen, etc.). They are by no means forced to learn any of these.

        If Microsoft does a piss poor job of giving a good tutorial with Windows 8 upon first use, most customers that are not like you and I will be very confused as to how things work. Not only that, but good luck explaining why the UI keeps switching back and forth between Metro/Explorer.

        [–]chocobomoshpit 1 point2 points ago

        QUIT MAKING SO MUCH SENSE

        [–]U2_is_gay 0 points1 point ago

        I've honestly never upgraded an OS, so forgive my ignorance. I've always just bought a new system by the time a major OS change comes.

        If I get Win8 is there any risk of file loss? Does everything transfer over pretty nicely?

        [–]JeffroTk 0 points1 point ago

        I had 0 file loss

        [–]chocobomoshpit 0 points1 point ago

        Assuming you're coming from W7, the transition will be like butter. I've heard there are complications coming from Vista, and if you're coming from XP, you'd best back your shit up before installing anything.

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          [–]Lol_GAYbacon 28 points29 points ago

          This doesn't belong in r/funny.

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          [–]Evenged7x 2 points3 points ago

          Clippy, nobody likes you

          [–]chrissuit33 16 points17 points ago

          I don't get all th hate for windows 8. I used it for over a month, It was amazing, everything that needed the desktop environment worked just fine, and the metro system worked well. It takes only a little time to get used to it, and once you learn it it's just as easy to use as win7 was.

          [–]HPeroit 6 points7 points ago

          Yeah, I love windows 8. It is actually one of the better OS's I have used. I had duel boot with redhat and 7 before and I got rid of 7 completely. It works really well, and if you know how to use computers fairly well, the OS is very very streamlined

          [–]spiffoy 1 point2 points ago

          once you learn it it's just as easy to use as win7 was

          Seems about right.

          [–]therearesomewhocallm 4 points5 points ago

          The hate comes from the people who have only seen that one metro screenshot, and have never tried it.

          Honestly the metro interface is not a big a deal as people are making it out to be, and its not the only thing hat has changed from 7.

          [–]MJDeebiss 1 point2 points ago

          I don't know. I used it and I thought it was pretty jarring on the desktop during certain functions. I mean, even on the desktop mode it still has a few tablet functions that make it annoying IMO. I'll stick with 7 for now, and not HATE on Windows 8 but I don't think it is necessary or better at all (except Task Manager is better and it was snappy).

          [–]chocobomoshpit 0 points1 point ago

          Like I've said, it takes some getting used to, but I welcome the changes. It's frustrating at first because "goddammit I already know how to do this shit", but then you figure out how to do it again, and it's like, "oh, okay. that seems about right."

          [–]ScottCarmichael 0 points1 point ago

          I have used it. It's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE change.

          I don't think average users will appreciate (or understand!) the changes.

          [–]Itsmiroki 6 points7 points ago

          Damn, here we go again.

          [–]Rosetti 0 points1 point ago

          Mama mia.

          [–]pomegranati 3 points4 points ago

          I don't get the hate for windows 8. that icon screen is what the Start menu is, but bigger. You right click the bottom left corner of your task bar and it takes you to this screen, just like windows 7 would the take you to the start menu. The other thing is that the icons are bigger so it's makes it more accurate for me to click on something because I have a wider area of the icon, instead of a little icon the traditional start menu. the other thing is that moving the mouse left or right will scroll the page and reveal more icons. To be honest, I can launch a program faster in windows 8 than windows 7 because of this. I don't even have to look carefully to see if my cursor is on the icon, because I know where it would be. Things being bigger, even on a desktop environment is better for me because I do things faster, because I don't have to precisely place the mouse cursor.

          [–]Capt_Underpants 0 points1 point ago

          Yes. Take up my screen real-estate with nonsense and big buttons. That's what I want.

          [–]pomegranati 0 points1 point ago

          to some people it's easier, because I have poor eyesight. You don't understand screen real-estate do you? The metro UI isn't a permanent screen. It's a "start menu" that you enter and exit, just like any other versions of windows. The big buttons are your applications in your "start menu".

          [–]Capt_Underpants 0 points1 point ago

          Poor eyesight has been integrated in the past versions as well, in a less colorful approach

          I'm an engineer and an artist, negative space is wasted space for me. I prefer a clear, concise, organized, clustered, easily clicked, not spread out, similar format start menu. I could care less for all the i-candy (which is horrible if you're colorblind). Also, with metro, the logo recognition is what helps with poor eyesight, not the enormous size of the boxes.

          Edit: I do understand that for some it's easier (the ui wouldn't have made it this far without people liking it). However, I feel like microsoft is still chasing the iphone ui era, and imho that is a horrible direction to go in for an OS as complicated as Windows. This would be great on a tablet, horrible on a computer screen.

          Edit2: I also see a lot of potential in this type of system in touchscreen monitors in the professional and home setting, however.. this one doesn't really seem all that nice.

          [–]pomegranati 1 point2 points ago

          the logo recognition helps me know where I can place the cursor. The big boxes let me place the mouse in a general area, as opposed to a precise area. It makes it faster for me in that I only have to place my mouse cursor "in that area" as opposed to "on that icon".

          [–]zuluthrone 1 point2 points ago

          this is not an accurate comparison

          [–]naturalexponent 1 point2 points ago

          /shrug. loved the AOL kids section back then

          [–]Clockwork757 4 points5 points ago

          Windows 8 is actually very very awesome

          Try it sometime

          [–]ScottCarmichael -1 points0 points ago

          How do you figure?

          I could see if you had a giant touch screen monitor....but for people without it or not using it in tablet form, I fail to see a benefit over Windows 7.

          [–]Clockwork757 0 points1 point ago

          Well there isn't one really, but it's actually quite nice on desktops.

          What were the benefits of Windows 7 over xp or vista? (aside from 64bit)

          [–]ScottCarmichael 0 points1 point ago

          What were the benefits of Windows 7 over xp or vista? (aside from 64bit)

          There was 64-bit Vista... ಠ_ಠ

          In fact, 7 was basically Vista 1.5. Biggest change was the name.

          [–]Clockwork757 0 points1 point ago

          I did not know that

          [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

          Vista did basically every 2010's Windows 7 did.....back in late 2006.

          Problem was, consumers had such hatred for the word "Vista" Microsoft felt forced to change the branding for the next version.

          Really, the two have only minor, cosmetic differences. Under the hood, same thing.

          [–]whyufail1 -1 points0 points ago

          I did, and it was very very bad.

          [–]Clockwork757 0 points1 point ago

          in what way?

          [–]technojamin 6 points7 points ago

          Gah, I really hate it when people jump to the conclusion that they hate something so quickly, especially without even using. If everyone gave it one week, they'd probably be totally used to it. After a little more time, I'm sure they'd actually prefer it.

          Based on people's past reactions to new interfaces, I've honestly come to trust the designers more than the popular opinion. I mean, people bash the Facebook developers and designers every time there's a major update, but imagine if those people had actually listened to the majority of users, if they just left Facebook exactly as it was over 5 years ago. Facebook would be utter shit. It's the same exact thing with Windows.

          [–]emjady 2 points3 points ago

          While I agree with you in general, I have to say that after almost 6 months I still hate timeline.

          [–]ScottCarmichael 0 points1 point ago

          Gah, I really hate it when people jump to the conclusion that they hate something so quickly, especially without even using. If everyone gave it one week, they'd probably be totally used to it. After a little more time, I'm sure they'd actually prefer it.

          I tried the preview a couple months ago and I'm sorry - Metro and Explorer just don't go together. The switch is far too jarring and honestly, the plain text and big clocks of colors gets sorta bland/old. Visually, it's simple...but simple is also boring if done in excess.

          For a tablet OS, Metro is great. But on the desktop? Metro has no right to be forced on users.

          [–]Boko_ 0 points1 point ago

          But Youtube would be so much better if it was left as it was about 6 or so years ago.

          [–]Slime0 -1 points0 points ago

          I agree with you in general, but I believe that Facebook was a better website 5 years ago than it is today.

          [–]erode 10 points11 points ago

          I don't like Metro UI on the desktop, but you are making a completely unfair and irrelevant comparison. AOL smashed all of that static content in there without regard for why it's there. The Metro start menu is dynamic based on your usage and is fairly customizable. For a tablet UI, it's great. I'd love to see explain why it's not.

          [–]3vi1 19 points20 points ago

          | For a tablet UI, it's great.

          Good thing it's only coming to tablets and not being forced down the throats of desktop users then!

          [–]HuRRaCaNe 1 point2 points ago

          As a user, I can confirm that it works really well on laptops too. The multitouch that every touchpad has works flawlessly with the metro UI. I don't have any experience with an actual mouse.

          When I had to reinstall windows 7 because they weren't updating the CP I felt like windows 7 was awkward. Had multiple "what the hell, why does it not work this way"- moments.

          In my opinion, it's a better OS overall. It's a true successor that builds upon the windows 7 base and makes it better. Also, the battery life of my laptop extended by 30 minutes to an hour with windows 8, so that's amazing too. 3h30 to 4h-4h30 is a big improvement.

          [–]redlightnetherlands -2 points-1 points ago

          You realize you can disable that UI right? And then it basically looks just like Windows 7

          [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

          No you can't. Share a post that says in anything but Enterprise Editions Microsoft is allowing Metro to be disabled or not show up by default.

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            [–]HarleyWooD 1 point2 points ago

            Windows 8 is awesome imo. It is 100% windows 7 with an overlay of features, that might not be awesome or even use full to me, but they don't ruin my experience by any means.

            [–]Cluff 3 points4 points ago

            When did funny become a place to hang out for linux trolls. "Loading bars are only for slow OSes!" "I've had USB3 support since 2009!"

            [–]QuintinT 1 point2 points ago

            I refuse to update my computer to Windows 8

            [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

            Me either. Next PC I get later this year/early 2013 will be Windows 7 --UNLESS-- Microsoft includes easy to use functionality (no hacks) that lets me bypass/disable Metro completely.

            [–]jgorrmz 0 points1 point ago

            If I remember correctly, USB3 host controllers weren't available until 2010, so nobody had support.

            [–]Lemme_Buy_That 0 points1 point ago

            o.O

            [–]humanmanguy 0 points1 point ago

            I fear that every new operating system is going to be aimed at providing a great tablet experience. I've seen it happen twice already: Windows 8, and Gnome 3 (while not an operating system, it's still relevant)

            [–]usernamemiles 0 points1 point ago

            i gotta say windows 8 looks terrible

            [–]uncle_keshon 0 points1 point ago

            am i the only one that thinks windows 8 is gangster as fuck? i've been enjoying it since the day i got it

            [–]oodelay -2 points-1 points ago

            I have the Dell Duo tablet, which is a Windows based tablet, I tried metro UI and Hated it. It's not as good as just icons and widgets. I changed the icons size to be large, made them 1-click only and it's much better. Do you really want to see the weather and social updates ALL the time on your desktop or tablet? " Large tiles on metro are for giants with clumsy hands and monkeys.

            [–]pomegranati 1 point2 points ago

            the "metro" screen is basically the "start menu" You can place icons on the desktop like you would any other versions of windows.

            [–]oodelay 0 points1 point ago

            Useless IMHO. They wanted to unify the look of windows phone with windows desktop. I guess icons were too iphony or androidy.

            [–]YoureMyBoyBloo -1 points0 points ago

            Wait, does AOL have XBox Live integration?

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            [–]masonchumpia 1 point2 points ago

            No. Takei and Satayana neither look nor sound remotely similar as words.

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              [–]Dinimuetter -1 points0 points ago

              I find it hilarious that so many people think that this is the main desktop UI, it's not. It's the tablet UI.

              [–]sendhelp 1 point2 points ago

              Actually it's sorta both. It's more of a glorified Start menu though, really. Pressing start on your keyboard toggles between this mode and the normal desktop. The normal desktop and application behavior are all there, it's basically windows 7 with a fully graphical start menu.

              [–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points ago

              Actually, Metro IS THE MAIN SYSTEM UI.

              It's what all users will boot into and most applications will run in.

              Only non-Metro apps will run in the classic Explorer environment.

              And you cannot choose to start Windows so that you immediately start in the old Explorer view.

              Basically, at every turn, you'll be flipping back and forth between Metro (main UI) and Explorer (secondary UI).

              Only Enterprise Editions of Windows 8 may have the potential for skipping/disabling Metro, but that's still not 100% known.

              [–]quitethepersona 0 points1 point ago

              Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's why this is being typed on a Mac.

              [–]murmandamos -1 points0 points ago

              Because change is bad!

              [–]ScottCarmichael -1 points0 points ago

              OS X is nothing to brag about. That thing has been a dog for years and gets more pointless junk added to it all the time just so Apple devs can earn a paycheck.

              [–]Henan -4 points-3 points ago

              Windows 8 is going to be a flop it sucks for what I can tell

              [–]nsuthar -1 points0 points ago

              But aol was fairly profitable then

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