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[–]Buttered_Penis 63 points64 points ago

Wouldn't aliens call Fermat's Last Theroem and the Goldbach Conjecture something different?

EDIT: So basically Sagan was making it easier on the reader but there is a way to make the question make more objective sense. Thank you all for your answers, some of you were very helpful.

Just so you all know, I wasn't trying to be funny, I'm just stupid when it comes to math and had never heard of the things Sagan mentioned. Haha. But I'm glad there's always a Redditor willing to help.

[–]iMarmalade 12 points13 points ago

Presumably, if they know English then they will know what he's talking about.

[–]Buttered_Penis 13 points14 points ago

Fermat and Goldbach are humans they wouldn't have heard of. Chances are it was discovered by someone with a different name on their planet.

[–]Gumburcules 3 points4 points ago

You do realize it doesn't mean he specifically asked them to ask the aliens: "Please prove Fermat's last theorem," right?

He probably asked them to ask the aliens: "please prove that no three positive integers a, b, and c can satisfy the equation an + bn = cn for any integer value of n greater than two."

"Prove Fermat's last theorem" is just a much more convenient way of phrasing it to tell the story.

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

But could the contact just Google it and say the aliens told him/her? Or is it something unknown?

[–]hurlyburlycurly 0 points1 point ago

The people were clearly too stupid to even do that! I think that's what he meant!

[–]Gumburcules 0 points1 point ago

Those theorems are unproven and are considered basically the most difficult problems in the entire field.

Any living person who solved either of them would probably instantly win the Nobel Prize in Mathematics.

[–]rolltider 1 point2 points ago

Fermat's theorem was proven in 1995...

[–]goofball_jones 0 points1 point ago

Yes, but from what I understand, it's not something that can be given "simply". I saw the NOVA episode on it and even some of the most advanced mathematicians had a hard time understanding the proof...and it's VERY long. Not sure if they've simplified it. They also said that it's very advanced "20th Century" math, and they doubted that Fermat actually had a proof of it.

So, even if they had Google in the day when Sagan asked, I doubt someone could just google the "answer" and give it to Carl.

[–]rolltider 0 points1 point ago

Agreed. But that's not what you said before; you said "those theorems are unproven."

[–]goofball_jones 0 points1 point ago

I didn't say anything before. That was the guy above me.

[–]redredtior 0 points1 point ago

maybe andrew wiles was in contact with aliens

[–]supNorm 1 point2 points ago

instantly win the Nobel Prize in Mathematics.

Just fyi there is no Nobel prize in mathematics.

[–]iMarmalade 12 points13 points ago

An alien race travels who knows how many light-years of space over the course of how knows long at an immense expense of energy and resources, learns English, and yet neglects to pick up a college text book.

I think it's more likely that the people contacting him were nuts or liars.

[–]Buttered_Penis 9 points10 points ago

I think it's likely that people that claim to have contacted aliens are nuts, too, but I think the argument is still invalid.

How can you know for certain that they would pick up one of our primitive learning books given the vast knowledge they already have? Can you imagine how tedious it would be to go through every last bit of information that humans have gathered over the years? And if they did plan to do that, how do you know they would do it BEFORE contacting a human?

Chances are they would care more about learning about Earth and the life on Earth. (Xenobiology) Or maybe forming diplomatic relationships. (Whether or not that includes enslavement)

[–]iMarmalade 0 points1 point ago

How can you know for certain that they would pick up one of our primitive learning books given the vast knowledge they already have?

Well, about as certain as I can be when discussing something as fantastical as aliens. If their goal was the learn about us as a species part of that would be to learn where we have gotten in science and mathematics. I mean, they had their representative on earth contact Carl Sagan, so they clearly have some level of interest in our science and culture.

how do you know they would do it BEFORE contacting a human?

I wouldn't want to make a claim to "know" anything, but it seems like a good idea to do exhaustive research before trying to interfere.

Then again, maybe these aliens are idiots? They have chosen to spread their message though some random guy rather than though direct contact.

[–]Buttered_Penis 1 point2 points ago

But would they take the time to learn every scientific fact? It seems more efficient just to get an overall view of how advanced we are rather than learning every single piece of information and learn about each scientist and their theories.

Maybe if there was an entire crew with a specialist from each field learning what we know about a given field of science, they spent a while taking in our information without being seen, and the person contacted could ask any of them a question and understand it well enough to convey the message to Sagan. That's about the best chance this argument has, and it assumes a lot.

To me, them not knowing certain scientists isn't proof of anything. Why not ask what the aliens know about something they will understand? Or explain the theories briefly instead of referencing them by name, and see if they aliens can explain it in more detail?

Considering this is only one question he would ask, it's not a bad question, but you can't just leave it at that and say "myth: busted".

[–]rafer11 1 point2 points ago

They wouldn't need to learn every scientific fact. It's like the Voyager Golden Record.

Assuming you were to ever meet a species advanced enough to travel millions of light years to your planet to abduct you, a lot of our maths are going to overlap. Any species that advanced is going to know Pythagoras' theorem, or that an + bn can never equal cn, etc.

Assuming they don't know English, you can use generic symbols to show these simple theorems.

Assuming they do, which is the case Carl Sagan is referring to here, the 'nut' can just explain it to them in plain english.

"Hey Alien. What's Fermat's Last Theorem"

"Fermat? Never heard of the guy"

"He's this guy who first discovered that a to the power of n plus b to the power of n can never equal c to the power of n"

"Haha stupid human. Of course we know that. We're capable of interstellar space travel. We are on a completely different level. To ask that of us would be the equivalent of us asking you what one plus one is"

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

Couldn't the "contact" Google that? Wouldn't it be better to ask something that aliens might know that we don't?

[–]Overglock 0 points1 point ago

But then they could just say something like "It's too advanced for the aliens to put in terms our primitive brain can understand."

Personally, I would want to ask them things like how they manage interstellar travel or compensate for the movement of terrestrial objects during their trips across the universe. Ask them for ideas for alternative fuel sources. Ask them if light is truly the hard limit for speed. Stuff that could have a viable solution that we're maybe just on the verge of discovering.

Hell, if they understand English (and they clearly must, since these "contacts" are able to communicate with them), just send them a science textbook and be like "Could you proofread this for me? Thanks."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

ummm..... Fermats last theorem An + Bn != Cn is for n>2. as you have it written in the dialog "He's this guy who first discovered that a squared plus b squared can never equal c squared", A2 +B2 can indeed be equal to C2

[–]thderrick 0 points1 point ago

Try a (3,4,5) right triangle.

3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2
9     + 16   = 25
          25  = 25

[–]rafer11 0 points1 point ago

Thanks, corrected the typo. Wrote Pythagoras' theorem instead of Fermat's last.

[–]iMarmalade 0 points1 point ago

In the math world those are fairly famous.

Also... they wouldn't necessarily need to learn every bit of info - just have a way to index and store it. Like... an encyclopedia. I don't think that level of technology is unreasonable for a space-faring race.

Your central argument here is that Sagan's point is invalid because the information he's asking requires obscure knowledge to understand - I don't agree with that premiss. The "Goldbach's conjecture" is very famous and a description of the basic premiss is available in any encyclopedia. At the very least, if they didn't understand the reference, it would be fairly easy to look it up.

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

Right, I'm just saying it would be called something else to them.

But someone else put Sagan's question in a way that made more objective sense and pointed out that Sagan was just simplifying the question for the reader's sake.

[–]Hokuten85 0 points1 point ago

I agree with your stance that aliens will most likely not know who these scientists are or what conjectures they have made. And that one cannot expect them to know every scientific fact

However, they should be able to do some research on their end to figure out what we are asking. If they do have contact, they should be able to gain access to resources. Or...google...it's not that hard. Or atleast the concept shouldn't be a difficult one for an alien race that's mastered space exploration. I would think that aliens would have the ability to compile information structures about our culture, history, and scientific theories or facts.

[–]Buttered_Penis 1 point2 points ago

So you're saying they should Google what we know, and then add to the information with what they know?

That actually makes a lot more sense.

It would be a hell of a lot better than asking them to explain something we already know about. (assuming we know, I've never heard of the conjecture and theorem that Sagan mentioned so correct me if I'm wrong) All someone would have to do in that case is Google it and say that the aliens told them.

[–]Team_Smell_Bad 1 point2 points ago

Remember: They are REALLY advanced...does that not answer your question?

[–]Buttered_Penis 1 point2 points ago

And they've just made contact with humans, so who knows if they're learned enough about us to know of all our scientists. Not knowing 2 particular scientists does not mean they aren't real.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe people that say they've contacted aliens, I just think that argument isn't really valid because it assumes something about creatures we know nothing about.

[–]bw1870 2 points3 points ago

I'm with Buttered_Penis on this one.

[–]Gortos 4 points5 points ago

Okay. ax + bx = cx , x >= 2 in a rectangular triangle, a, b are the legs, a, b, c > 0, x is an integer. Provide proof that for x > 2, there is no x where a, b and c are all integers.

That's a short question any advanced alien that speaks English should understand.

[–]abdoolio 5 points6 points ago

[PROOF]

There. No big deal. Aliens exist. Next problem, please.

[–]AuthorCook 1 point2 points ago

The Goldbach Conjecture is unsolved. That's the point.

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

I see. That's what I was trying to figure out. Thanks for answer.

I did a quick Google search but I figured it was possible that people just think they have it figured out. Just like free energy.

[–]elmassivo 0 points1 point ago

He could have calculated a few reasonably large prime numbers and asked what they had in common. I'd wager he would've received a similar response, despite it being context free.

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

That's answered in my first edit. And in my second edit I retracted what I said because someone explained it to me a little better.

[–]elmassivo 0 points1 point ago

Fair enough. I doubt the quacks would know enough to use check wolframalpha over google though, lol.

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

I agree.

But I'd rather ask a question that I'm sure will stump someone, rather than banking on their stupidity.

[–]p1nz -1 points0 points ago

HES AN ALIEN TRYING TO TRICK SAGAN DON'T HELP HIM!

[–]Buttered_Penis 1 point2 points ago

Nice try, Sagan! You'll never stop me now!!

[–]Drooperdoo -4 points-3 points ago

What an absolutely provincial conception of aliens. I don't even believe in aliens, per se. (At least, not the Hollywood version where they're just like us.) But even I can see that Sagan is being pedantic and provincial.

They don't even call half the theorems the same thing on Earth. For instance, in calculus, there's something that, in English-speaking countries, we call "The Squeeze Theorem". In Italy, China, and Russia the "Squeeze Theorem" is known as the "Two Carabinieri Theorem". In France, it's the "Two Gendarmes Theorem".

Or consider how the "Intercept Theorem" is called "Thales' Theorem," depending on what country you're in.

I could list 3,000 examples like this.

So aliens [according to Sagan] are stupid if they don't refer to everything by the names that a 20th century American has for them?

That seems breathtakingly illogical.

(His underlying implication is that the alien-abductees are stupid charlatans and that their "aliens" are made-up. I'm inclined to agree with him, for the most part. There's just one problem. Certain abductees have produced math that would be quite recognizable to Sagan. Like the strange case of high school dropout Stan Romanek, who started writing equations after an abduction. The strange math turned out to be quite real when analyzed by phD-level mathematicians. You can see the case here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread493742/pg1 )

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

Like I said in my edit, he chose that wording to make it easier on the reader. You wouldn't actually ask them using the human names. There are entire conversations that you missed in this thread. Go respond to some of the people that answered my original question.

[–]bobtheterminator 0 points1 point ago

Do you have any other source for mathematicians commenting on these equations? The video in that forum has been removed. Also, he obviously didn't ask the aliens "Solve Fermat's last theorem". He would have explained what the theorem is in basic english. There's no reason to do that when telling the story, though.

[–]Drooperdoo 0 points1 point ago

Here's an article of some of Stan Romanek's math: http://www.rense.com/general46/stan1.html

Remember: He's a high school dropout with no math background whatsoever. He was never a prodigy, nor did he ever display any particular interest in math. (I.e., he wasn't smuggling home textbooks from MIT in his spare time.)

He just started producing these bizarre equations in his sleep after an alleged abduction. When analyzed, the equations turned out to be quite real.

Here's a Youtube clip on it entitled "Top Physicists Validate The Stan Romanek Equations":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GvSj2nvmg0

  • Footnote: Carl Sagan's assumptions are also kind of challenged by something called the Scole Experiments in England in the 1990s. "Alien intelligences" were allegedly channeled and communicated with believers and skeptics alike. Sagan implies that these alleged intelligences are fake because they can't withstand the scrutiny of an actual scientist. But with Stan Romanek you actually have MIT physicists vouching for the math. It's real, and it's not gobbledy-gook. Likewise with Scole. The intelligences were talking to actual scientists and using their own verbiage, and drawing on concepts and terms that go far beyond what a layman would be expected to know. So, as with Romanek, the Scole Experiments demonstrate that, "Shit, yeah: Baffling stuff happens, Carl." Sometimes these people really do produce shit that actual experts vouch for as authentic and intelligent. It's easy to con a carpenter that you're a physicist, if he doesn't know math. It's much harder to con an actual physicist. In both the case of Stan Romanek and the Scole Experiment, these alleged intelligences were talking to actual physicists and holding their own. (P.S.—The same thing happened with British physicist Sir Oliver Lodge in the early 20th Century. Intelligences allegedly communicated with him, and held their own, speaking "his language": i.e., math.) So for some charlatan medium or abductee to suddenly learn physics to the level of an expert is just about as unbelievable as the concept of these intelligences themselves. But it's there, and it apparently happened. (I favor a super-consciousness theory myself. I think that some of these people may have tapped into something profound, and the experience was so traumatic that, just as in abuse cases, their psyche invented a split personality to deal with it. If their bent is science fiction, they'll psychologically invent aliens; if their proclivity is the supernatural, they'll evolve a "spirit guide".) But that's just my own personal bullshit theory on the matter. What the hell do I know?

[–]bobtheterminator -1 points0 points ago

Ok, so your first link has a bunch of people trying to interpret the equations and not really finding anything that Stan couldn't have easily found in books or on the internet. The video is interesting, but I'm still not really convinced. If he had actually discovered something, it would be published or at least referenced in a publication. It seems a lot more likely that he just found some cool looking equations and starting writing down the Drake equation and some star diagrams and hypercubes and stuff. If they were actually equations showing that space and time can be warped, there would be a publication and a huge amount of scientific discussion. There's no reason the scientific community would ignore them if they were legitimate. The two physicists in that video would have written something. They have not.

[–]Drooperdoo -1 points0 points ago

The scientific community would ignore it because it's a hillbilly talking about aliens.

They don't want to sully themselves by getting embroiled in a debate about stupid bullshit, so they're not going to bother with him or his story.

But the few math nerds who have looked at it say that it's legit. It's not gibberish.

And if that's true, then Carl Sagan looks like a boob. He's demonstrating the pompous attitude of the scientific community that I described earlier: The attitude that would keep 99% of all legitimate scientists and physicists from touching this shit with a ten-foot pole.

They know quite well what happens to careers—careers of even very eminent men—when they study these claims scientifically and dispassionately. Like when Sir William Crookes was called upon to study alleged medium Daniel Dunglas Home. Everyone cheered because "Here at last is a man of science to debunk this nonsense once and for all!" He was eminent and respected. And when he didn't come to the foregone conclusion they wanted, he was shunned, maligned and excoriated.

Same thing with Sir Oliver Lodge.

If something falls outside the prejudice, it's career suicide to actually take the time to study it. And if you do, you better damned well arrive at the conclusion that fits in with the prevailing prejudice.

The Establishment must not be challenged.

And that's all fine and good . . . until you get very credible people studying equations by Romanek and saying, "Shit, the math holds up."

Or you get the Scole Experiments in England, and actual physicists are talking to alleged intelligences, and the intelligences—contrary top Carl Sagan's prejudices—actually hold their own, discussing physics.

That's not supposed to happen.

But sometimes it does.

And we're all left scratching our heads.

  • Footnote: As I said in earlier posts, I don't believe in aliens. Nor do I believe in ghosts. But I do believe in the subconscious. Or the "super-conscious". I suspect quite strongly that we all have the ability to tap into a deeper intelligence. Think: Carl Jung's Theory of the Collective Unconscious. Or Racial memory. I think, when all is said and done, that some of these people aren't lying or making things up. I think they're really producing this stuff . . . but, confused, they try to make sense of it. And so they're psychologically predisposed to think "aliens" put it into their mind. Or "spirit guides".

[–]bobtheterminator 0 points1 point ago

The scientific community does not care where ideas come from, as long as they're legit. Think Ramanujan. Yes, it can be a difficult career choice to support a minority opinion, and you will sometimes get a lot of shit for it, but you will have some support, and you'll generate legitimate debate if your work makes sense. You keep saying people say the math holds up in this guy's papers. Holds up to what? What is it? Electromagnetic space-time warping? That's what your 30-second video suggests. But no, they would have written a paper if that was actually true. They're obviously not concerned about their careers if they're willing to appear on camera. Find me a reference of someone explaining what those equations actually mean, beyond basic stuff like the Drake equation and Orion's belt.

These examples you're listing are not helping your case. Sir William Crookes was derided because he was wrong, and plenty of people have shown that since then. You can check Wikipedia if you want. Sir Oliver Lodge's career does not seem to have been affected much by his delving into supernatural stuff, where he seems to have discovered nothing. What did these physicists at the Scole experiments discover? Nothing, again. They learned nothing from these spiritual intelligences. And plenty of people have put forth explanations as to how they could have happened without a supernatural explanation. Until someone learns something new from an alien or a spirit or something, which really isn't much to ask for, there's no evidence to believe any of this stuff.

[–]niko2000 0 points1 point ago

You sir are delusional if you think the scientific community does not care where ideas come from. These are still humans with egos. And sponsors.

[–]bobtheterminator 0 points1 point ago

I know we don't live in an ideal world. If you support a fringe opinion like this, you will be ridiculed and possible ostracized. But people will still read your paper. If it makes sense, it will provoke debate. If you have a history of spouting off bullshit, then maybe no one will read it. But if you have a good reputation and you publish some legitimate result related to aliens or people hearing voices or whatever, it will provoke some debate. Good science does not go unnoticed.

[–]Buttered_Penis 0 points1 point ago

They both look like a couple CT's. I've stopped bothering with people like that. But I still occasionally follow conversations other people have with them until they begin to bash their own faces off their keyboards.

People just want to bitch when people don't take them seriously and act like it's a big conspiracy against them and "eeeveryone is just picking on them". While the real scientists that get rejected keep trying until they get something published.

[–]Drooperdoo -1 points0 points ago

Resist the urge to be defensive. No one is attacking you.

There's no need to haul off and start claiming that "nothing was discovered".

Like in the Scole Experiments. The "intelligences" actually discuss a new energy with the physicist [an energy akin to electricity or magnetism that we're apparently on the cusp of discovering]. They went into highly detailed discussions of it, and even gave schematics for a machine that would draw upon it.

So who knows if it may lead to something decades down the line?

I think of it like Leo Szilard, a nuclear physicist on the Manhattan Project. He was having problems building the first hydrogen bomb. He ended up reading a novel by H.G. Wells that was written thirty years earlier [a novel, by the way, which coined the phrase "atomic bomb"] and he had a Eureka moment, and discovered the concept of nuclear fission. And he credited Wells with it.

But it took 30 years between Wells having the idea, and men of science finding a practical application for it.

Likewise with idiot savants. Who knows what the subconscious of one of these people might produce [these people who claim to be alien abductees, or in touch with spirits]. They may [like H.G. Wells] have imaginations that produce legitimately intelligent things that will sit on the shelf for decades before you or I ever hear about a practical application for it.

So I'll try and be humble and not scoff when the people at Scole said, "There's a third energy, one very like electricity or magnetism, that you're just on the cusp of discovering . . ."

This might actually be true. But I have no illusions that wham, bam: the second someone comes up with an idea, two seconds later the Scientific Community will embrace it with open arms and implement it.

Hell, look at the controversy regarding cold fusion. The scientists who discovered it were called liars and charlatans. Their careers were ruined. And now, thirty years later, scientific institutions are quietly admitting that they might not have been charlatans after all. Several universities have confessed to being able to reproduce most of their claims.

So there was an initial rush to judgment, a knee-jerk reaction to accuse people of fraud.

Same thing happened to the Wright Brothers. Are you aware that none other than Popular Mechanics declared their flying-machine a hoax? The Wright Brothers invited them to an exhibition, but the good men at Popular Mechanics didn't need to bother with going, since they knew it was fake in advance.

Oops!

Same thing with Edison's phonongraph. A professor of acoustics at the Sorbonne in France [a man named de Ville] said that it was a hoax, too. "It was done with ventriloquism," he claimed. He too [like the writers for Popular Mechanics] didn't need to bother with actually studying the matter. He just "knew" in advance.

The history of science is littered with these embarrassing lapses on the part of the Establishment.

Institutions, even Scientific Institutions, have a bad habit of being human. And like all things that are human, sometimes emotionalism trumps rationality, prejudice eclipses objectivity, stodginess and conformity get in the way of advances.

It takes decades for things to happen, where you think it takes mere minutes.

  • Footnote: You'd be surprised at the nutty way the human mind works and how many legitimately scientific things were the product of bat-shit insane people. Like Nicola Tesla. Read up on his "visions". He would actually have waking hallucinations, where he'd see machinery glowing before his eyes. The hallucinations were so vivid that he would jump back, thinking they were real. It was his imagination's way of bodying forth ideas. And you know what? He would build the products of these hallucinations and they would work . . . which is how we have alternating current today, the remote control, and the radio. He created all these things, and he did it being a nut. The human imagination works in a lot of eccentric ways. My theory is that some of these people are experiencing similar things. (Not all, obviously. But a small subset.) And I think that they're just rationalizing and trying to make sense of what their mind is doing, and their psyche is furnishing them with things like aliens and ghosts. But it's really all their own minds.

[–]Gigathulu 17 points18 points ago

Well duh. The aliens don't want to alter our progress in any way. That's the prime directive, and just plain sense!

[–]tehsusenoh 4 points5 points ago

Except to change our moral code of course.

[–]tehsusenoh 3 points4 points ago

I was confused at the Fermat's Theorem thing until I noticed that it said "short proof." The current proof is 200 some pages.

[–]bobtheterminator 2 points3 points ago

It probably hadn't been proved at all when Sagan said this. The proof wasn't released until a year before he died.

[–]tehsusenoh 2 points3 points ago

The proof was actually released a year before Sagan's death, officially published in May 1995, but actually finished in October 1994. His book, which the quote was from, was published in 1996, so still after the proof, although he could have written those words before the proof. No matter, what's done is done, and it's a great quote about skepticism.

[–]freezway 2 points3 points ago

I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson's evidence against UFO sightings: Astronomers have a much lower sighting rate than non-astronomers, because they know what they're looking at.

[–]madonna-boy 9 points10 points ago

doesn't belong in /r/funny...

[–]LBK2013 -1 points0 points ago

I thought it was funny.

[–]benwaaaaaaaah 2 points3 points ago

Yeah I am pretty sure the aliens wouldn't know these theories by name, or the people. No matter how advanced they may be, they would most likely be WTFing.

We are more intelligent than dogs, but we still cannot speak their language.

[–]bobtheterminator 2 points3 points ago

He obviously didn't literally say to the aliens "solve Fermat's last theorem". He would have spelled out the theorem in basic english, which the aliens apparently speak if they're communicating with a human. Either that or the human can translate. He was simplifying what he asked for the story.

[–]Frix 2 points3 points ago

First of all it is established that the aliens can speak or in some way communicate with at least one human. I'd say that it shouldn't be that hard to get the message across somehow.

[–]benwaaaaaaaah 0 points1 point ago

I agree completely

[–]fluffi3 0 points1 point ago

The Internet.

[–]Mrzeede 1 point2 points ago

Untrue. He says he has gotten letters from people that claim to be "in contact" with extraterrestrials. Not necessarily abducted by them. People who say they have been abducted never claim that they are still in contact with the aliens nor that they have gained any great scientific or moral enlightenment.

[–]Spooooooooooooon 0 points1 point ago

I want to see the movie where-in Carl Sagan gets the correct answers in response to those questions.

And I want Carl Sagan to be played by Johnny Depp.

And I want Terry Gilliam to direct it, in the style of 12 Monkeys.

[–]JonFawkes 0 points1 point ago

So God is an alien?

[–]IchthyoidPhalanges 0 points1 point ago

IAMA Alien, AMAA

[–]BALLS_AND_SHIT 0 points1 point ago

This makes me wish I was some total mega genius who could work this shit out and then troll the entirety of humanity. I guess maybe this is why the gods did not pick me.

[–]deathleaper 0 points1 point ago

"I was abducted by aliens, AMA"

[–]Qwertyon 0 points1 point ago

Put in people language: Fucking Liars!!

[–]pintopete 0 points1 point ago

Hail Sagan!

[–]Meebert 0 points1 point ago

"it's weird the aliens that contacted me like discussing moral judgements , they said the aliens that are good at math and science are busy doing other things"

[–]miianwilson 0 points1 point ago

Sagan is my hero. Demon haunted world should be mandatory reading for everyone.

[–]niko2000 -2 points-1 points ago

Sagan is an ass.

[–]I0I0I0I -2 points-1 points ago

:1,$s/extraterrestrials/God/g

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

the fact of the matter is that the theorems would not be by those names... thats a selfish and greedy way of thinking(actually its a human way of thinking). therefore one would have to WALK THRU the equation, showing what each part of the equation represented. besides, once they do that, wouldnt the aliens be all "holy shit, this guy is pretty smart. let him come with us"?

[–]bobtheterminator 0 points1 point ago

He obviously would have spelled out the theorem when sending it to the aliens. There's no reason to do that when telling the story, though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, Carl Sagan waas abducted by aliens, instead of dying... I mean cmon, if they should abduct anyone it should be the best and brightest of the human race. The thought of it makes me wonder...

[–]bobtheterminator 1 point2 points ago

Sure, that's possible. But when there's zero evidence for that and a whole boatload of evidence that he died and was buried in New York, why do you even need to wonder?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

because

they're smarter than us remember... they can fake all kinds of shit

[–]bobtheterminator 1 point2 points ago

Oh shit I'm in two conversations at once and I though you were the one that actually believed this stuff. My bad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

haha