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[–]JohnnyNoNumber 33 points34 points ago

Is this from a band of brothers scene?

[–]matt_gusta 11 points12 points ago

Yeah it is :)

[–]Nusent 4 points5 points ago

[–]Derkek -1 points0 points ago

Was this image made from a screen shot?

I am wondering because some parts like the wall and spots on the floor look real.

[–]At_an_angle 3 points4 points ago

Every time I read this quote it makes me think of Wadsworth

[–]RiNgO70 0 points1 point ago

An up vote for you sir

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

Huh, that Nazi soldier must have been hiding a bag of flour under his shirt.

[–]RACKSonRACKSonRACK 0 points1 point ago

That sticks out to me every time I see this picture, and it's the main reason I've never downloaded it.

[–]Ottershaw 18 points19 points ago

Except the Nazis, they were definitely wrong.

[–]saoirc 25 points26 points ago

I think the point is that us winning the war isn't what made them wrong though.

[–]Ottershaw 10 points11 points ago

This is very true. They almost won, in fact.

[–]commiepinkosocialist 1 point2 points ago

...?

[–]Ottershaw 8 points9 points ago

The Battles of Stalingrad and Leningrad were really close. If the Soviets hadn't won, the Germans were going to steal their oil supplies in the Caucus Mountains, basically making them unable to fight on the scale needed.

[–]recreational 13 points14 points ago

In fact if the SS hadn't been such unbelievable monsters, it's liable that the USSR would've collapsed under everyone's loathing of Stalin in the first place. Hitler himself expected the country to fall apart under its own internal inconsistencies (and the devastating effects of Stalin's purges on Soviet military capability,) he just didn't grok that sending groups of murderous thugs around to murder as many babies and elderly as possible was a great way to unite the opposition.

Same story in Japan. If the Japanese had just been a bit less brutal and dickish in conquering China they could've easily gotten Chiang Kai-Shek on their side, he long regarded the Communists as a greater threat and basically had to be forced to form the unified front at gunpoint. There was a lot of potential for goodwill towards Japan as an Asian nation kicking out the colonizing powers from not only China but South-East Asia as well, but they squandered it pretty cheaply.

And then dragged the USA into the war. Same thing with the Nazis and Barbarossa. The Axis had the best militaries, the obvious joke about Italy aside, but they had a very poor understanding of psychological warfare as a versatile tool. They could terrorize a populace, but they couldn't figure out that sometimes you don't want an enemy population scared shitless, you just want them to shrug and resign themselves to a different group of assholes being in charge.

[–]Gimli_The_Dwarf 1 point2 points ago

I wonder if their domination by fear was an extension of the success of Blitzkrieg - terrorizing the enemy's army is exceptionally effective. But you're right - terrorizing their populace is a bad idea, especially if you don't have the manpower to exert total domination.

[–]NightHawk929 0 points1 point ago

Similar thing in the Battle of Britain. Villages and cities were targeted instead of military targets because they thought it would hurt British moral.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Not to Hitler.

Ethics aren't based in absolutes.

[–]Ottershaw -1 points0 points ago

But they're not completely relative either.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago*

Of course. An example for this would be society's currently-popular moral code. 'Racism' is bad, and criticizing racists is good. Christianity is good, and criticizing Christians/theists is bad.

In the 20's, 'racism' didn't exist in the media/popular culture. Society treated colored people different than whites. It was okay. People followed it because society had given them the impression that it was an okay thing to do.

You see what I mean? Sure, multiple people might carry the same ethical attitude; this is only because society has convinced them that it's the right thing to do.

EDIT: Grammar and sentence structure changes.

[–]Ottershaw 0 points1 point ago

I mean, still recognizing that largely accepted specific moral values change greatly over time, there are still over-arching moral frameworks that are largely accepted among people and seem to have been around since before civilization. These are things like the fact that is wrong to kill.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

An exception for this would be self defense in today's society. Pacifists have it right, IMO.

Physical violence doesn't make sense to me, especially offensive physical violence (not defensive). You're essentially labeling yourself 'evil' because you're threatening the other guy's well being. Nothing gets solved (in society's mindset); both people think that the other is contextually evil, and a form of chaos erupts.

No one knows if the 'fact' that it is wrong to kill will even align with the future society's morals.

[–]tygg3n 1 point2 points ago

Not every society looked down on every form of killing. And some forms are almost okay today, at least for some. There's no over arching framework, we make them ourselves, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing.

[–]UNMERCIFULGOD 2 points3 points ago

...and only those that are left determine who was right?

[–]wullymammith 2 points3 points ago

The person on the left isn't left

[–]Mike9601 1 point2 points ago

This image is from band of brothers, if you look closely you can see the 101st airborne flasher on his shoulder

[–]Rudefire -4 points-3 points ago

That's a cute quote. However, the basis is all wrong. We don't go to war to determine who is right. We go to war to fight for what we know is right. Or to take from others. I don't think its ever a contest to see who is right or wrong.

[–]Here_for_the_cookies 33 points34 points ago

What is right, is opinion.

[–]theillinestvillain 2 points3 points ago

I see your point, but humbly disagree. Your personal view of "right" is most likely different than many other people's. In WWII, both sides thought they were right, that's why they were fighting. In the end, the Allies won, and thus the Allied "right" prevailed.

[–]MacNiall 0 points1 point ago*

The allies were on the defensive, they were quite in the right.

EDIT: At least when it comes to the Europeans vs. Germany

[–]Snowyjoe 0 points1 point ago

Yes, but Nazi-Germany thought that purging the world was a needed act for the future. In a "You'll thank me later" sort of way.
(Just to make sure, I don't agree with Nazi-Germany's point of view)

[–]MacNiall 0 points1 point ago

I doubt that the propaganda they spouted equated with their actual motivations. Sometimes, the world is truly full of morally grey conflicts...and sometimes there are black and white bad guys and good guys.

[–]theillinestvillain 0 points1 point ago

I'm not saying that the allies were wrong, just that in Hitler's eyes, he was doing the right thing. I mean, I don't think it was, but right and wrong are ideas, not solid measurable things.

[–]fry_hole 1 point2 points ago

I don't think it's making that assumption. I think it's just pointing out that what we 'know' was just the opinion of those who had more military power.

We can look back now and say so and so was objectivity justified but maybe we shouldn't be so quick to assume that.

Upvote for a good point, though.

[–]aleigh80 2 points3 points ago

Exactly you have my upvote on this one. Cool pic and quote and all but I'm pretty sure (in relation to this pic) Nazi (and Japanese) desire for world conquest was wrong.

[–]Omnitank_3 5 points6 points ago

Many wars have been fought by 2 or more larger powers fighting to claim a piece of land as their own. The United States conquered Guam, Philippines, and Puerto Rico, but did that make us right?

I guess what I'm saying is, war only determines the victor. The victor may indeed be right and fully justified, but the act of war is not the justification, only the means to an end.

[–]mkmckinley -4 points-3 points ago

All you have to do to answer that question is study how the Japanese behaved in those areas vs how the US did. Have you been to Guam or the Philippines? Try going to one of those places and asking about the Japanese occupation. Ditto for the Nazis in Europe.

I can't beleive I have to explain this. It's a prime example of how people today, especially the so-called educated ones, lost all semblance of common sense and reason.

[–]Omnitank_3 2 points3 points ago

The Philippines were a scary place to be around when we first conquered it back in 1898. The Balangiga Massacre had 2000 or more civilians killed. This incident included the infamous order by the American general to kill anyone over 10 years old.

Sorry if I did not express my thoughts properly. What I was trying to get across is that war is a means to an end. Many times these ends can justify the means, and the world can be an arguably better place because of a war. However, the act of war itself is not inherently right or wrong. Whoever wins a war is likewise neither inherently right or wrong. All a war determines is who the victor is. Does that make more sense?

[–]TheJokerWasRight 2 points3 points ago

Nazi (and Japanese) desire for world conquest was wrong.

Only if you're not Japanese or a Nazi.

Morality is still subjective, no matter the situation, no matter the majority opinion.

[–]Snowyjoe 0 points1 point ago

Except this quote is related to all wars, not just WWII. There are many religious wars that try to prove their side of the argument through war.

[–]aleigh80 0 points1 point ago

Oh my god....you people are pieces of work...that's all I have to say. Look at the picture it is relating it too!

[–]Snowyjoe 0 points1 point ago

too?

[–]aleigh80 0 points1 point ago

aahhhh good catch! My bad....but still. You people are pieces of work.

[–]Snowyjoe 0 points1 point ago

You still don't know the intent of the person that placed that picture. He might of placed it there because WWII is the most famous of wars, in the other hand maybe he did mean the quote to relate to WWII. Either way, the quote still can be used for any war.

[–]aleigh80 0 points1 point ago

I know what the intent is for! Hence "you people are pieces of work". The quote can not be used for "any" war and that's my point. "Just" wars DO exist. For example, a war to stop a genocide, that quote couldn't be applied to the side attempting to stop the loss of life, despite their use of force to do so.

[–]Snowyjoe 0 points1 point ago

It's a matter of opinion, if you look at it on a large scale it may be so, but for a person that lost someone close to them because of the war they may think differently.

[–]vondrew 0 points1 point ago

It's a correct quote.

[–]Snowyjoe 0 points1 point ago

I think the picture in the background was a poor choice, everyone seems to be relating the quote to WWII... there are plenty of other wars you know?

[–]steve-d 1 point2 points ago

It is from the TV show Band of Brothers, which was about WW2.

[–]Snowyjoe 1 point2 points ago

Oh my apologizes. Thought it was just the image that was from Band of Brothers. Still you can relate the quote to just about any war, and I think that was the intent when they said it on the show as well.

[–]Shippage 0 points1 point ago

Pretty sure the guy who was left was on the right. No way would I ever have a incorrect wallpaper on my computer!

[–]Neo0311 0 points1 point ago

Right and wrong are decided by who is left standing.

[–]sinsomphou 0 points1 point ago

Damn, what a powerful image.

[–]Stealyphil1905 0 points1 point ago

What if the cameraman had been on the other side?

[–]gLovejoy 0 points1 point ago

Only the dead have seen the end of war

[–]mkmckinley -1 points0 points ago

You should add: So, do you want to be the one who's left?

[–]Randommook -1 points0 points ago

Right does not determine who is right... only who argued the hardest.

[–]Watermelon420 -1 points0 points ago

The shooter should of been on the left