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Ehh, kinda sorta. I could go into the whole "Celestials came to primordial Earth, fiddled with the proto-DNA soup, and gave us the capacity to superevolve one day when our technology advanced enough to expose us enough to radiation."

That's where Marvel mutants come from. Also some mutates, like Spidey/Hulk/Daredevil/The Fantastic Four, are effectively "latent mutants" whose DNA is primed to do funky things but don't have all of the triggers built in from birth. Hence the need for a dose of convenient radiation later when the plot demands it.

I remember watching an interview with Stan, where he said that he realized he was overusing radiation a lot in the early days as the handwaving reason for powers. I wonder who along the way deserves credit for tying it all together eventually.

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Hard to gauge. Spiderman is clearly stronger just due to his superhuman abilities (he can lift a car over his head if need be) - he's also at the very least equal to Batman in intellect (people may want to argue this, but Spidey is a brilliant scientist who has been shown to keep up - intellectually - with Tony Stark and Richard Reed...the bumbling smart ass routine is a routine meant to throw people off). Plus his reflexes and spider-sense negates any of Batman's advantages as a fighter.

That being said...Batman has the advantage of not having a limitation (beyond don't kill). Batman's the kind of guy who will stop at nothing to win (and is far more resourceful because he plans out every possible contingency). This is why Batman can hold his own against other superhumans with relative ease - he's planned for the unexpected events and has no stopping point (again, exception being don't kill). Whereas Spiderman hesitates - he has a bit of Peter Parker's meekness hardwired into his brain, and that second of hesitation is all Batman needs to get the edge.

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Point Number 1:

If we're going on the logic of "Spiderman would win if the writers decided he should win", then he can never win, as the current contract between Marvel and D.C. with regards to crossovers is that Batman and Superman are never allowed to loose.

Point Number 2:

Congratulations on being "That Guy". Many have tried to be "That Guy" over the years, but you have truly managed it. You're the guy who comes across people talking about what they would do in a zombie apocalypse situation, and proudly declares that the conversation is stupid as zombies aren't real. You are the person who hears a discusion about whether or not the inhabitants of Kanto eat Pokemon, and proceeds to don a smug face whilst informing the participants of the discussion that Kanto is a fictional place, and that they need to grow up.

Of course, this is just an assumption, I don't actually know you. However, I think it's justified, seeing as you've stumbled upon an internet discussion about who would win in a fight between two Superheros, and decided to prove to everyone how very intelligent you are by telling them that people write comics, and that their discussion is stupid.

Point Number 3:

I do realise that you may be a perfectly reasonable person, and not "That Guy" at all, and I'm sorry if I came across as a bit strong. But there are few things which get me quite as riled up as that kind of thing.

Point Number 4:

Even if we discount his overly exploited weakness to Kryptonite, Superman is still weak to Magic, meaning that there are still many who could vanquish him.

Point Number 5:

This list has gone on longer than I expected, it's petty long. If you've read this far, sorry for wasting your time.

Point Number 6:

I'm not really sure how to end lists... I'll just stop.

[–]Zosimoto 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago

Nah, I totally realize I'm being that guy.

In the same way that it riles you up when people act like "that guy" about suspension of disbelief, it riles me up only in particular with the "Batman would roflstomp Superman" discussion. I'm a total ass when it comes to this specific discussion.

I think it just highlights the fact that DC's (arguably) most famous and well liked character is just a regular-ass human. So that's really the only reason he stands a chance in the "Superman vs. Batman" debate. It's like what happened with Wolverine. Since when did Wolverine start standing a chance against celestial powers? After he became super fucking popular.

From a powers/intelligence perspective, Superman is vastly superior in every way imaginable. He's a fucking god. To suggest otherwise is borderline retarded and just further highlights how poorly he was conceived. They've been retconning his shit for decades to try to make him an interesting character. They should have kept him dead.

It always just devolves into a conversation about "But Batman would predict that, because he can predict every single thing that every single opponent would do in any situation and have 54 different ways to counter it." Really? Because Bane is probably 1/1000000th as strong as Superman and he was apparently super fucking effective in breaking his goddamn back.

It's not a matter of me telling people to stop arguing about make believe. It's definitely not. I just did that in this whole post, haha. I just think that when talking about this kind of shit people should think about the universe as a whole. In the grand scheme of the DC Universe, Superman is a god. Batman is just a clever human.

I get that I don't have the popular point of view. I don't really care. Superman would win. Every. Fucking. Time.

And zombies are fucking awesome, dude. How dare you! haha

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Personally, I agree with you, and I'm sorry if I came across as a bit of an arse.

I really strongly agree with you when you say that Superman should have stayed dead, because, to be perfectly honest, he is a boring character. He can't really have drama, as he cannot really have a problem., they have to always turn back to the same rock to beat him, and how the hell did so much of that rock end up on Earth? It's downright unreasonable.

One of the reasons that I greatly prefer Batman to superman (and I suspect that this is tue for many others) is that you can have fun trying to rationalise how he would defeat other superheros/villains. And you can do this with most of them, but if someone brings Superman to the table, they can basically just say "He picks them up and throws them into the sun". And that's no fun. I know that some other superheros have an "instant win" type power (e.g. the speed force, the existence of Batmite), but with Superman, that's all he has, so yes, he would realistically win, but he cannot realistically win in a fun way (there have in my opinion been a few comic book scenarios in which Batman has legitimately killed Superman, but in those situations, it tends to be more than just using kyptonite, in one of my preferred examples, a dirty bomb had hit America, and the skies were blackened).

Also, whilst Superman is way ahead of Batman on powers, I'm not quite so sure when it comes to intelligence. Sure, he isn't stupid, but he has little strategic capabilities, seeing as his basic plan is "I'm gonna Punch it!" But even with that, I still think that Superman would technically win, it's just that I also think that he should be banned from "hypothetical superhero vs superhero battles" for being a boring character.

[–]Zosimoto 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago

I think we just took the roundabout way to agreeing with each other. I just happen to speak in a pretty hyperbolic manner, haha.

If Superman was never a factor, I'd be on board with a lot more of these conversations. Although, I'm sure people like myself always interject with the Superman thing (again, highlighting how bad a character Supes is). Please accept future apologies from all of us Superman haters.

I also pretty much agree with all the points in your post. Batman is definitely, to me, the most interesting character in the DC Universe precisely because of his limitations (being human and his refusal to kill).

Sooooo round-about answer... I agree that Batman would school the shit out of Spiderman. Until Superman throws the whole planet into the sun because he hates that no one likes him. :]

Edit: Is the dirty bomb reference to Frank Miller's Dark Knight series?

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Nah, I don't think that I was. I just have a different viewpoint as you in regards to this particular conversation. Pitting anyone against Superman is a fucking stupid idea. He's the "god" in the DC Universe.

It's kind of like if fans of the Marvel Universe just started saying "Oh, who would win in a fight? Wolverine or Galactus? I think Wolverine would stand a chance!!"

GALACTUS EATS FUCKING PLANETS! Wolverine doesn't stand a chance. There is no amount of in-universe explaining you could do. It is, at this point, fact.

I do like, however, that you suggested that I didn't have any friends as a kid just because I offer a different viewpoint as an adult. It's cute.

Protip: This tells me you're a follower. You've grown up trying to please everyone all the time and you more than likely just blended into a group and remained a wallflower. Well guess what? Followers follow people with their own goddamn opinions. There's always a ringleader in a group and it was 100% not you.

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