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[–]yakushi12345 3 points4 points ago

depends very deeply on the nature of the beliefs. I'd gladly fight to prevent a theocracy, but I'm not starting a war because I think traffic tickets are overly expensive.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

I had the same dilemma when I first read this quote, but I think it's important to distinguish beliefs from principles. I wouldn't die for a belief, but there are a few principles I'd consider it for.

[–]pngwn56 1 point2 points ago

While not all beliefs are principles, all principles are beliefs.

Plus, who would die for a belief that isn't a principle? I mean, why?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

This is how I figure it: if someone held me at gunpoint and said, "I'll shoot you if you believe 100% that there is no god." Well, all logic suggests there is no god, but like many others here, I'm open to the distinct possibility that I may be wrong, so I'd tell him no, I'm not 100% certain. That's a belief.

On the flipside, if he held a gun to my head and said, "Believe in my god or die," he'd have to shoot me on principle, because I won't believe anything without proof. That's a principle.

And yes, many theists would die for their beliefs which aren't necessarily principles. I distinctly remember them teaching us about this in church, using the example of kids in the Columbine shooting who were held at gunpoint and told they wouldn't be shot if they denied Jesus (not sure if that's true or not, but that's the example they used). Point is, most believers take pride in the fact that they wouldn't turn on their beliefs in the face of death, and those who do it successfully become martyrs. I agree with your assertion, but the theist mind isn't always based on rationality. Hence, this quote.

[–]pngwn56 0 points1 point ago

It is your belief that you should, and will, die for principle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

...or maybe I won't be able to live with myself after violating a principle.

[–]Dewmeister14 0 points1 point ago

but the theist mind isn't always based on rationality. Hence, this quote.

Hence, theists.

[–]ravin_monkey123 0 points1 point ago

Upvotes for LSAT logic!

[–]yakushi12345 0 points1 point ago

I don't see that distinction in the quote, which sort of tarnishes its usefulness.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

Well, fortunately for everyone, the distinction is made in real life. Beliefs and principles aren't the same thing.

[–]Maxables 3 points4 points ago

Three cheers for accuracy in language!

[–]Corythosaurian 1 point2 points ago

clop clop clop

[–]TopBadge 1 point2 points ago

People like you are proof that there is no god.

[–]Undoer 0 points1 point ago

I thought that was Ian Mckellen as Magneto at a glance.

[–]mrfoozy 0 points1 point ago

i like this man but, you can't really be wrong for a belief.

[–]DemPants 0 points1 point ago

"The ink of a scholar is worth a thousand times more than the blood of a martyr." - Lupe Fiasco

[–]pngwn56 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, just ask Genghis Khan.

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[–]Dewmeister14 0 points1 point ago

I sincerely hope that he was joking.