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[–]Epithemus 325 points326 points ago

Worked for Michael Jackson.

[–]Quietbetrayal 46 points47 points ago

[–]Dazing 19 points20 points ago

The fuck? That website... worked? I'm Dutch! This doesn't even make sense.

[–]ThatLaggyNoob 18 points19 points ago

Gotta love that region locking.

[–]SnoochieBoochies182 19 points20 points ago

Gotta love unblock-us.com

[–]furyasd 4 points5 points ago

Thanks, I've used it, but I can't register on Netflix, anyone else having a problem with this? If I click on Start Your 1 Month Free Trial it goes to the home page, if I click Finish Sign Up, it stays on the home page, if I click on Your Account, it stays on the home page and if I add my card, it says A valid expiration date must be entered into the form. wat

[–]dash4g 1 point2 points ago

I think you need an american credit card and/or address? This is the reason I havn't paid for unblock-us yet

[–]furyasd 1 point2 points ago

Ah, the card isn't american.

Thanks.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

Worked for O.J too!

[–]insertAlias 2 points3 points ago

Well, the first time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

Its a single use get out of jail free card.

[–]daxl70 6 points7 points ago

i can imagine the lawyers going, you have Vitiligo? hmmm how can we use that?

[–]Username_Storytime 3 points4 points ago

The winds of Mount Olympus were warm and pleasing as they flowed through the toga of the great Titan Epithemus. The Titan was giving a sly grin to a distant figure, Pandora. As the winds continued to blow, and the shapley figure of the titaness came closer, the massive oceans and seas swelled on the world below. Epithemus tried to restrain his will, and shifted uncomfortably in his toga as the forces of nature twisted around him.

Below, hundred thousands of people were drowing in their sleep as monstrous waves smote their scattered villages. Earthquakes sucked in entire homes with great geysers of oceanic might took their place. And as Pandora put a delicate touch on Epithemus' shoulder, a thunderous cackle filled the air that made all the volcanos of the earth erupt in a swell of heat,

Me guuusta

[–]CallumFergy 90 points91 points ago

Aim for the bushes.

[–]bdog2g2 55 points56 points ago

There goes my hero

[–]jeeebus 19 points20 points ago

[–]KineticShampoo 6 points7 points ago

Bat mitzvahs right, what are you gonna do?

[–]bijida 28 points29 points ago

whats this from?

[–]AzumSauce 44 points45 points ago

It's from The other guys. Clip here.

[–]mal9000 22 points23 points ago

Is it good? I love Damon Wayans Jr. on Happy Endings. I didn't realize he had done anything else.

[–]Bryan__ 45 points46 points ago

He has a pretty minor role in the movie... but Will Farrell and Marky Mark are fantastic in it. Definitely one of my favourite comedies in recent memory.

[–]IHaveToBeThatGuy 32 points33 points ago

They should call us the Febreeze Brothers because it's feeling so fresh in here

[–]Bryan__ 32 points33 points ago

At age 11, I audited my parents. Believe me, there were some discrepancies, and I was grounded.

[–]iArnav 1 point2 points ago

GATOR'S BITCHES BETTER BE USING RUBBERS

[–]Bryan__ 17 points18 points ago

GATOR'S BITCHES BETTER BE USING JIMMIES

ftfy <3

[–]AgressiveVagina 2 points3 points ago

GATOR NEEDS HIS GAT YOU PUNK ASS BITCH

[–]Rein10 10 points11 points ago

Im a Peacock! you gotta let me fly!

[–]Bryan__ 9 points10 points ago

We found your stolen Prius. It was voting for Ralph Nader.

[–]n311go 1 point2 points ago

Finally, I find someone else on Reddit with this perspective. I have been downovoted to hell for trying to bring up how widely underappreciated this movie is on a couple of occasions. It is brilliant on its face but add in the jabs at modern monetary policy in the United States and it's unprecedented.

...we're gonna come back and lock you in the Federal Reserve!

[–]LeonHRodriguez 15 points16 points ago

I don't think Samuel L. Jackson has ever been funnier in any film

[–]chuckquizmo 15 points16 points ago

I personally enjoyed it, I thought it was one of the better comedies to come out that year.

At first it looked like a dumb, generic buddy-cop movie, but they use that facade to pull crowds and then intelligently parody that idea and turn it into something original and reasonably hilarious. Having experience with 80s action movies (Robocop, Lethal Weapon, etc.) will definitely help your appreciation of this film.

[–]TomasHezan 5 points6 points ago

The movie is the type that you watch the first time and not think much about it. Watch it again and you'll find it a little funnier. 3rd time is the best and anytime after that

[–]Chiz_Dippler 2 points3 points ago

Sounds like what they did to market 21 Jump Street.

[–]KapitanRedbeard 14 points15 points ago

So good, one of the better comedies I've seen in awhile

[–]msluxuryyacht 1 point2 points ago

totally not what I was expecting, but it was awesome

[–]davdev 8 points9 points ago*

Wait, you didn't know Damon Wayans was in anything else? He was a huge star in the 90's. Haven't you ever heard of In Living Colour, or am I just the old guy in the group

:edit - as has been pointed out, I am an idiot. And an old one at that. Sorry.

[–]MPinsky 11 points12 points ago

Damon Wayans Jr. Feel old yet?

[–]davdev 7 points8 points ago

yup

[–]metaphysicalme 4 points5 points ago

It's Damon Wayans, Jr. You are looking at the son of the man you knew from In Living Colour, Old Man.

[–]davdev 1 point2 points ago

yup, I am an idiot, let they bury continue.

[–]ByJiminy 3 points4 points ago

Damon Wayans, Junior. I'm not sure if that should make you feel less old or more old.

[–]davdev 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I stepped in it on that one. And much older, thanks.

[–]latusthegoat 2 points3 points ago

My favorite part is when the black kid looks down, all dejected, right after the "tip".

[–]KineticShampoo 1 point2 points ago

I literally play this movie in the background almost every night while programming for work and I have never seen this one scene. What the hell?

[–]mkhorn 43 points44 points ago

I'm also a girl. I hear that helps.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

Worked for Mary Winkler. Shot her sleeping husband in the back with a shotgun, got 60 days of therapy and a few years of probation.

[–]mike8787 1 point2 points ago

This is true. I recently read a study from the Pew Institute discussing how gender disparities in sentencing rise in areas with more male judges (especially if they are black), and diminish greatly in areas with more female judges. Basically, misogynist male judges let women off more lightly.

Though, women have seen a great percentage increase in any sentencing due to increases in arrests for non-violent crimes - i.e. drug possession.

Edit: I would get you the source, but damn am I lazy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

misogynist male judges let women off more lightly

Misogynist?

[–]mike8787 3 points4 points ago

Yes, in that they are expressing a belief that women are incapable of the culpability necessary to carry out the crime. Paternalistic would also work, but misogyny is apt.

[–]Squalor- 190 points191 points ago

As a black man who (in twenty-two years of being alive) has never gone to jail before, it'll catch up to me.

[–]Dr_Eastman 222 points223 points ago

It is better to go in early and get it out of the way.

[–]bdog2g2 158 points159 points ago

Kind of like chicken pox

[–]logicallyillogical 51 points52 points ago

For some, it's like herpes.

[–]IronDiggy 25 points26 points ago

For some it IS herpes.

[–]garysnail123 5 points6 points ago

Jail rape.

[–]CommonMan_Mike 9 points10 points ago

I'm a 28 year old black man who hasn't gone to jail or has had the chicken pox.

Living the dream!

[–]jettrscga 105 points106 points ago

Something doesn't add up here.

This guy must have stolen someone's luck!

[–]ObviousAnswerGuy 20 points21 points ago

open and shut case johnson

[–]letmebreakitdown 10 points11 points ago

Now sprinkle some crack on him and lets get out of here.

[–]DefinitelyRelephant 9 points10 points ago

It's a daring strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

[–]Prodigy195 73 points74 points ago

25, never been to jail, have no children, and a college degree. I'm treated by many of my peers as if this is a major accomplishment. To me this should be the norm, sadly it's not.

[–]NovaMouser 53 points54 points ago

Easy to see why your name is Prodigy.

[–]SlimMaculate 14 points15 points ago

Nah, black guys named Prodigy get sent to jail too. Prodigy195 hasn't been there because he doesn't believe in halfway crooks.

[–]d3l3t3rious 7 points8 points ago

Ain't no such thing.

[–]stmcneil 5 points6 points ago

They shook

[–]lethal_weapon_five 14 points15 points ago

What about if his name was Magnitude? POP POP

[–]EVIL5 24 points25 points ago

I'm you, but aged 31. I'm cool with my life choices, too! Black Redditors unite! (but not too much, or they'll take some of us to jail)

[–]thefloyd 4 points5 points ago

I'm 25, too, and I dunno about a major accomplishment, but it's pretty impressive. As a white guy I can't say that (jail part), and of the half a dozen people I know who can off the top of my head, one is black and one is hispanic. Two I guess, but the one doesn't really self-identify.

Really though, at 25, a lot of people are having kids on purpose (I'm pretty sure just to make the rest of us feel old), and like, getting married and stuff, so that one's getting less impressive.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points ago

What do you think you'll be in for? As a black girl, i think prostitution. It's been 18 years so i think my time is coming very soon.

[–]iamnotatroll 31 points32 points ago

32 male hispanic professional with two half Asian kids. I'll be in for cock-fighting. Or possible being a drug lord.

[–]PsychoKuros 28 points29 points ago

Or drug-fighting, or being a cock lord?

[–]iamnotatroll 3 points4 points ago

Lord of the cocks.

[–]OptimusPrimeTime 1 point2 points ago

32 male hispanic professional with two half Asian kids.

No, I would guess kidnapping.

iamnotatroll: "But judge, those are my kids, I have proof!"

Judge Ron Whitey: "Give him an extra year for contempt of court. Do you think I'll still be able to make my tee time today?"

[–]JudgeWhoAllowsStuff 11 points12 points ago

Do you need a pimp? I think I'd be good at it - I have quite the collection of fancy hats.

[–]fnord123 23 points24 points ago

The joke is not that she will decide to become a prostitute because she is a black girl. The joke is that she may be arrested for prostitution regardless what she does. The butt of the joke is the legal system who trumps up charges against minorities, not black people.

Unless you are black and are saying you will be arrested for pimping because having a fancy hat. If so, very good.

[–]y2kerick 2 points3 points ago

I totally dig your logic. I'm not gay, not that there's anything wrong with that... but... FUCK me! right here n right now

[–]trampus1 3 points4 points ago

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

£6.17? Well, for you, trampus1, i'll lend you my crappy non-dominant hand for 10 minutes.

[–]trampus1 7 points8 points ago

Eh, better than nothing.

[–]RBubbaMagillicutty 1 point2 points ago

Fuck, I might arrest you for being a smart and funny black teen girl who makes sex jokes. The deadliest combination.

[–]tellhersafe 1 point2 points ago

Anything you want!

[–]Pdawg7 1 point2 points ago

Handshake and a hug

[–]gyang333 8 points9 points ago

and when it does catch up to you, you won't get any credit for time-served. better just go out there and commit a crime.

[–]Mylon 1 point2 points ago

What are you talking about? He doesn't need to commit a crime, just needs to be hanging out in the wrong neighborhood when the cops show up.

[–]maxxusflamus 5 points6 points ago

it took my black friend 25 years. give it time.

[–]TheyCallMeTomSawyer 4 points5 points ago

I'm studying LEJA in school, I'll just say you should've made your move before you turned 18.

[–]bitparity 1 point2 points ago

On a long enough timeline, your chance of not going to jail approaches zero.

[–]joequin 1 point2 points ago

You could try wearing a suit 24 hours a day.

[–]Friedchickenisha 1 point2 points ago

I've been to jail a couple times (once for bumping into someone in the hallway of a school I no longer attended).

I started colouring and straightening my hair, got coloured contacts and thanks to my half white/half Cree mom I only look "vaguely ethnic" except that I lived in a really small town where my dad was the only black guy in the whole town so it didn't really work.

I moved away and stopped getting arrested, I'd blame racism but I live in Canada where racism doesn't exist so it's most likely just bored small town cops.

[–]Croissants 1 point2 points ago

How is it supposed to catch up to you? You're black.

[–]DownvoteDaemon 0 points1 point ago

It sucks. As a 26 year old black male I have been to jail. I come from an upper-middle class family too. Both my parents went to Yale and are architects. My dad was the first black male in "Skull and Bones". I chose to associate with thuggish black people and thus made stupid decisions. I have a college degree and my parents paid tremendous legal fees to get the charge off my record.

[–]BARNABY_J0NES 4 points5 points ago

I'm sorry sir but your story doesn't check out. First black member of Skull and Bones was a writer, not an architect. Additionally he seems a little too old and a little too dead to be your father.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orde_Musgrave_Coombs

Sorry I don't know how to make pretty links from my phone.

[–]kolchin04 21 points22 points ago

STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE! /jimcarreyliarliar

[–]wiffleball_lgnd 4 points5 points ago

im kicking my ass DO YA MIND

[–]a_random_username 1 point2 points ago

He was a desperate man, your honor!

[–]Tdogg425 1 point2 points ago

Fletcher: "A madman, your honor. A desperate fool at the end of his pitiful rope." Judge: "How did he look like?" Fletcher: "About 6'2, 180 pounds, big teeth, kinda gangly."

[–]semper03 36 points37 points ago

"I'm not saying white people are better. I'm saying being white is clearly better" - Louis C.K.

[–]shitterplug 7 points8 points ago

Guns, pass em up! C'mon, lets go!

[–]spreezy89 7 points8 points ago

My fraternity had three black members, me included. According to the statistics, one of us is going to be in jail before we're 30. So that's something...

[–]GiantJellyfishAttack 5 points6 points ago

More like your fraternity and 3 random black gang members. Statistics say 2 of the 6 will be in jail before 30.

If we want to use stupid control groups to try to prove statistics wrong.

[–]spreezy89 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I always figured it was bullshit. Hence the sour look on my face when they used all three of us as the example of the statistic. Anger an resentment is probably the only reason I know/remember it.

[–]slotard 2 points3 points ago

The fact that you're going to college helps a lot

[–]DAL82 1 point2 points ago

Really?

Does the statistic apply to university educated black men too?

I always assumed it had something more to do with the larger number of black and hispanic men who do not complete highschool (let alone post secondary education).

[–]ElagabalusCaesar 5 points6 points ago

Best scene was with the realistic bomb effect. It's great when big films mock common tropes like walking from explosions.

[–]Osiris32 22 points23 points ago

Also - don't do illegal things, and don't drive like an idiot.

A friend of mine (white, 20s, middle class, driving a nice-ish car) complained that he was always being hassled by cops, that they singled him out and were out to get him. Then I had him drive me home one night, and the guy couldn't drive like a sane human being to save his life. Followed too close, didn't signal lane changes or turns, California-rolled stop signs, alway drove over the speed limit, you name it, he did it.

Gee, I wonder why you're constantly being stopped by cops.

[–]Chimneyfish 4 points5 points ago

I think that's what the true "white privilege" is: the ability to realize that some people in the world are just assholes. I'm white, and if a cop cites me for rolling through a stop sign in the middle of nowhere (I'm Californian too), or if a waitress acts bitchy while serving me, my natural reaction is just going to be that encountering these types of people is an inevitable part of living in any society. I'm not saying that racism against blacks does not exist, or that black people do not experience these things more often than white people. I'm just saying that looking at the world through race-tinted glasses can result in mistaking every inevitable asshole you come across as a racist- when it's really not the case.

[–]AllensArmy 1 point2 points ago

California-rolled

Mmmm... California-rolled. Seriously though, we do that a lot here. No cop, no stop. Unless there are other cars at the intersection, of course.

[–]Osiris32 1 point2 points ago

And then you get pissed off when you come to Oregon and we enforce our traffic laws.

Sorry, I don't mean to perpetuate the Oregon/California feud.

[–]Expressman 9 points10 points ago

Even if you are Hispanic with a white last name, like Zimmerman, you're still screwed.

[–]Willmcdougal 8 points9 points ago

If a half white guy kills a half white guy, a white guy killed a minority. Welcome to amerikkka. /s

[–]m1a1tanksauce 8 points9 points ago

unless you kill a black man.

[–]Expressman 3 points4 points ago

Yeah he will probably be legally vindicated, but the lynch mob of public opinion won't care.

[–]poopnugget_43 65 points66 points ago*

Fun fact: National victimization surveys lend support to the hypothesis that cops are almost completely, on aggregate, impartial to race and ethnicity. The victimization surveys show that the lopsided distribution of crime between whites and blacks actually occurs because blacks actually commit those crimes at higher rates than whites.

EDIT: I gave an incorrect source. The source I gave initially was merely the blank form. The results can be found here: bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08.pdf and are the second result on Google for "National Crime Victimization Survey"

Thanks to the user fefyfofeather for (condescendingly) pointing this out.

[–]whosdamike 17 points18 points ago*

I'm late to this party, but I hope at least a few people will consider the contents of this study, on racial disparities not in terms of arrests but in sentencing.

I think it's a fair review. It notes that racial disparity is most evident in certain jurisdictions and absent in others.

From the summary, the key findings are:

  • Young, black and Latino males (especially if unemployed) are subject to particularly harsh sentencing compared to other offender populations;

  • Black and Latino defendants are disadvantaged compared to whites with regard to legal-process related factors such as the “trial penalty,” sentence reductions for substantial assistance, criminal history, pretrial detention, and type of attorney;

  • Black defendants convicted of harming white victims suffer harsher penalties than blacks who commit crimes against other blacks or white defendants who harm whites;

  • Black and Latino defendants tend to be sentenced more severely than comparably situated white defendants for less serious crimes, especially drug and property crimes.

The study shows that black defendants are more likely to have harsher sentences and that Latino defendants are more likely to be found guilty than their white counterparts.

I wasn't able to dig up any research on bystanders killed by police officers, but there is this independent research by a blogger. He basically looked at pictures of officers killed by other officers between 1960-2011. He looked specifically for victims of cop-on-cop violence, occurring from mistaken identity.

These are cases where police officers were gunned down by other police officers by mistake, in the field - basically misidentified as suspects.

About 40% of the officers killed by mistaken identity were black. About 10% of officers in general are black, though it's tough to tell if this is the right metric... still, not an encouraging statistic if we're supposed to be sold on the idea that police officers are racially/ethnically impartial.

As other commenters have pointed out, the enforcement of the drug war is a clear counterexample to the claim that law enforcement is truly colorblind. There are almost identical rates of drug use between whites and blacks, but blacks are incarcerated at far higher rates for drug-related crime. The Drug Policy Alliance has more, but obviously can't be considered as neutral as the Wikipedia link. I think there's something to be said, too, about the War on Drugs leading to cycles of incarceration and poverty, where young black children grow up with fathers in prison.

In any event, I think it's problematic that the hivemind was so quick to upvote without citations (at least in the original comment) or critical thought. I know we all want racism to be over, but I don't think the way we'll get there is by pretending the problem is over.

TL;DR: Not all the facts line up with the idea that law enforcement is colorblind.

[–]loose-dendrite 1 point2 points ago

This disparity also exists between men and women. My interpretation is maleness is seen as inherently more violent than femaleness and likewise blackness/latinoness and whiteness. I don't know about asianness.

[–]Astrokiwi 51 points52 points ago

I figured it was just because of the uneven distribution of wealth between ethnicities in the US - that poorer people commit more crimes regardless of race. There must be data on that too...

[–]mbm7501 17 points18 points ago*

I may be talking out of my ass, but I think poorer people in cities commit more crime. I grew up in a medium sized country town and not many poor people/black people committed crimes.

[–]Astrokiwi 8 points9 points ago

Not a dumb hypothesis. You could add that poorer people in cities are more likely to be caught and punished for committing a crime too - for instance, you might be more likely to get away with owning an illegal firearm in the country.

[–]CloudyOut 2 points3 points ago

I live in a town of roughly 4,000 and a good portion of the crime is from people moving in or coming from a major city to the south. They come here because of how close we are to a few other cities.

[–]nextwiggin4 11 points12 points ago

There are vastly more low income white people in America then any other race by total numbers (though, not by percentage of race).

Poverty can't be the only factor, otherwise you'd expect to see (A) a larger population of white criminals, as a total number then any other race and (B) as a percentage of race, it would be smaller then that of other minority races.

ie. there are 100 people in prison, 40 are white, 15 are black, 15 are brown, 15 are browner, 5 are yellowish. But as a percentage of the total population only 5% of white people are in prison, 15% of black people are in prison, 15% of brown people are in prison, etc.

Instead, the population of criminals in America is larger for minorities both as a percentage of total race and total numbers.

I believe people are pretty equal from the get go. I don't think you're more prone to crime if you're darker. If my assumption about people is true, then the numbers show something is really deeply fucked up with American society.

[–]paranode 2 points3 points ago

If my assumption about people is true, then the numbers show something is really deeply fucked up with American society.

Or within the cultural sphere those people tend to live in. If you are offered a drug dealing opportunity at age 13 because you live in a neighborhood where that is common then you are off to a bad start. Also doesn't help if you are raised by a single mother who works all day/night and you get virtually no supervision.

[–]nextwiggin4 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, If you're born to a single mother, you're far more likely to be involved in crime, and be in poverty. If you're involved in crime or impoverished, you're far more likely to have a kid who will be raised by a single mother.

Institutionalized inequity. Sucks balls man.

[–]groucho_marxist 16 points17 points ago

A few years ago a guy (who had a racist agenda, but doesn't necessarily mean he got his stats wrong) put out a report showing that blacks were committing more crime than whites even after normalizing the data for wealth. Sorry I don't remember the reference. Obviously this post is incredibly unhelpful and I am ashamed

[–]nextwiggin4 20 points21 points ago

There was a report about a year ago echoing this sentiment (not sure if it was the same one or not) but he didn't come to the conclusion lightly. He worked on the report for 10 years, having many, many peer reviews looking for angles he hadn't thought of. Eventually he published it and was panned as being a bigot.

his conclusion, though, wasn't simply: Black people aren't more dangerous. Instead he concluded that sociologically we group together by race (not surprising) and create mini-cultures. Some cultures are more crime prone. This isn't caused by race, but the racial divide is driven, rather, by these mini-cultures. Although, that was just his opinion, the report was just a thorough statistical analyse of tons of data.

[–]joequin 15 points16 points ago

Kind of like the respected black African researcher who was brought in by the black community to study why black children did more poorly than white children in a certain school district. After a lengthy process he concluded that black parents were to blame and not racism in the school system. He was ostracized as a racist.

[–]Tenure 4 points5 points ago

You're thinking of John Ogbu. Cool guy.

Also, I love it when I quote Thomas Sowell and get accused of keeping the brothers down.

[–]Cforq 2 points3 points ago

Didn't that happen in Ohio? If I remember right it was a very wealthy subdivision where minorities weren't doing as well in school, and they brought in the expert because they didn't think it could be due to socioeconomic factors because they were such a well to do neighborhood.

[–]rimo 2 points3 points ago

That is still ignoring the fact that lasting cultural/environmental effects have not been compensated for, as those are hard to get rid off.

It is most likely only proof that humans, given the same environment are more likely to commit crime if that environment is similar to that certain "black" environment. How that environment/culture came into existence is a longer story, that for the most part predates the people existing in that environment. You cannot magically change a society that has been heavily altered. This does not mean we should accept criminality, but it means we should work to encourage a change in culture and environment. Genes do no carry culture from generation to generation, nor do genes determine the foundations of subgroups in society.

Here comes some wild speculation to finish it off. I am fairly certain (99,99%+) that if all races were swapped around, but everyone started out in the same locations in history it would all naturally progress into the same mess we have today with roughly the same history.

[–]lalomania 3 points4 points ago

I agree with your post, but I dont understand how can you be 99,99% certain that there is no genetic reason for how different races act.

I mean evolution made different races have very distinct physical features to survive in their respective environments, why cant these also affect our brains?

Obviously I dont know either, but the idea doesnt seem far fetched enough to be discarded instantly.

[–]garbhalgarbhal 1 point2 points ago

You should become a scientist. "I figured it was just because of 'x'... ...There must be data on that too..." Seriously?

[–]poopnugget_43 2 points3 points ago

This is quite possible as a variable. I was merely rebutting the conception that the police are overwhelmingly biased against blacks. I said nothing of the causal mechanism of the crime rates.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

As I understand it, it's not just poverty. The main predictors of violent crime are:

  • Single parent household

  • Relative poverty in terms of visible economic disparity

  • Perceived lack of social mobility

  • Population density

  • Cultural acceptance of violence (which, ironically, doesn't tie into availability of weapons at all)

That's for violent crime, but it doesn't seem like a huge leap for it to apply to other types of crime as well.

[–]AllensArmy 2 points3 points ago

I believe that I have seen at least one study with a conclusion along these lines. Finding it on the other hand...

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

Peer reviewed source?

[–]poopnugget_43 20 points21 points ago*

You could have googled "National Crime Victimization Survey" but here's the link anyways: bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv08.pdf

FIXED

if for some reason the link doesn't work, it is the second result on Google for "National Crime Victimization Survey" at least on my computer.

[–]bgross 5 points6 points ago*

From your source the Contact between Police and Public survey from the same agency as your source:

White (8.4%), black (8.8%), and Hispanic (9.1%) drivers were stopped by police at similar rates in 2008.

Hmm, sounds go so far ...

Black drivers were about three times as likely as white drivers and about two times as likely as Hispanic drivers to be searched during a traffic stop.

Oops.

Edit: Your original link didn't work, so I browsed through the BJS data and that seemed like the most relevant survey to look at. The source you are now linking does not include drug crimes and only gives victim statistics, not offender statistics (if a white guy punches a black guy, that would add +1 assault to the black column). I don't find that it supports your "fact" statement in the slightest.

[–]fefyfofeather 5 points6 points ago

I find this funny, because you cite a page that only contains the questionnaire for the survey and information about a person who would distribute it and you have to dig for relevant information. Also, when you find it, it's a 20 page document and people are blindly upvoting you without knowing what exactly you are referencing or if what you say is included within it. It could be something completely unrelated, but here you are sounding knowledgeable with a .gov link so people assume what you say is legit. I'm not trying to say you are or aren't, I just think it's amusing how immediately trusting people can be despite the ability to skew or misrepresent data.

[–]rtmars 3 points4 points ago

yea, I don't see how a survey at all proves that minorities aren't victimized. I learned in a psychology class on race and ethnicity that in my state, African Americans are twice as likely to have their car searched, although there is no more likelihood that anything will be found in their car. I couldn't find that paper, but I did find some data showing that Hispanics and African Americans in California are more likely to have their car searched:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/07/15/MN207903.DTL&ao=all

Edit: I did find one from Illinois, on the ACLU website

http://www.aclu-il.org/new-data-shows-racial-bias-in-police-consent-searches/

[–]saptsen 2 points3 points ago

I've been digging through that website to find support for OP's claims and am so far unsuccessful. I agree with you, people are blinding upvoting a post without an actual citation.

For OP: Which data tables support your claim? I've went through the data for the most recent year I could find on that site (2004) and can't find evidence.

[–]QuestionC 1 point2 points ago*

Yea.... it's a huge leap to say that link proves your point. Do you have a real source?

Add: After some digging, I found a document actually breaking down crimes by race (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2218), and it says blacks are a minority in terms of violent crimes committed. Tracking the offender by ethnicity (hispanic) isn't even performed, which makes sense considering that is impossible.

Whatever your source really is, it isn't this.

[–]rimo 2 points3 points ago

I am already skeptical, because how could they properly measure crime rates by race if the police is the ones dealing with criminals? What institution is keeping data on unsolved crimes?

If they use data from the police, of course it is going to correspond with what the police does. If not the police, who keeps track of crimes the police didn't solve or at least were reported to them?

[–]Freaky_Freddy 1 point2 points ago

This shouldn't come as a surprise seeing that there are a lot of african-americans police officers out there.

[–]fefyfofeather 0 points1 point ago*

In the PDF you provided, you will notice that nowhere does it list the percentage of crimes committed by a certain race. The document only lists race and percentages in two case, the first being the race of the victim in the crimes, and the second of the race in who reported the crimes. Offenders are only discussed in terms of relationship to the victim and other ways unrelated to race within this particular document. You can specifically see this in Table 4. Rates of violent crime, by gender, race, Hispanic origin, and age of victim, 2008 and Table 8. Crime reported to the police, by gender, race, and Hispanic origin, 2008.

A quick search and scan of the document shows that offenders are addressed, but not in terms of race. Offenders are discussed in the terms of crime reporting to show thing such as black females who are heads of the house are more likely to report property crimes than those who aren't, etc. Since offenders are only mentioned 11 times, I will list where they are referenced here:

Victims knew the offenders in about 5 in 10 violent crimes against men and 7 in 10 violent crimes against women. Victims knew the offenders in about 5 in 10 violent crimes against men and 7 in 10 violent crimes against women.

Male victims knew the offenders in half of all aggravated and simple assaults against them.

Female victims knew the offenders in approximately 70% of assaults against them.

Offenders known to the victims were most often identified as friends or acquaintances, accounting for a similar percentage of violence against male (42%) and female (38%) victims.

Table 6. Relationship between victim and offender, by gender of victim, 2008

An offender was armed with a gun, knife, or other object used as a weapon in an estimated 20% of all incidents of violent crime in 2008 (table 7).

By specific weapon type, offenders used about equal percentages of firearms, knives, and other weapons to commit violent crimes overall.

Robberies (40%) were the most likely crime to involve an armed offender

Offenders used firearms to commit 7% of all violent crimes in both 1999 and 2008 (text table 3).

Table 7. Presence of weapons in violent incidents, by type, 2008. (Presence of offenders weapon)

Percentage may not total to 100% because of rounding. If the offender was armed with more than one weapon, the crime is classified based on the most serious weapon present.

This is why it is important to read your source and any source offered to you.

**Updated for clarity.

[–]Stregano 2 points3 points ago

I hope you like prison food... ...and penis

[–]spinozasrobot 2 points3 points ago

[–]Hristix 6 points7 points ago

Put yourself in the shoes of a cop out on the street. You have approximately eight hours on your shift and want to go clean the streets up. If you go to the bad part of town, you're much more likely to catch poor folks out breaking the law than rich folks. There are usually far more black or hispanic folks in these areas than there are white people. Therefore, even if the scrutiny of a cop were totally random and unbiased, they're just going to catch more black or hispanic folks. This was a term from my statistics class, but I can't remember what it was called. Maybe selection bias? Since they selected the bad part of town, their results are going to be biased because the ethnicity population is unbalanced. Add to that the fact that cops in the shitty parts of town are often so jaded by the constant scream of scumbags (of all races) that no one gets the benefit of the doubt. I don't care if that's an insulin syringe sticking out of a half-used bottle of insulin, it's still paraphernalia so go directly to jail and do not pass go.

The saving grace is probable cause. You cannot just pick someone at random and legally search them without some good reason for doing so. This reason is often fucking easy to find because people drive like dipshits. Some of the worst drivers I have ever seen are black people in those stereotypical Cadillacs, with their windows damn near pitch black, expensive rims, and sound system so loud that I can't even hear my own with the windows up. They're right up there on the road dangers list with blind old Chinese women and 'important' business executives that insist on conducting a meeting on their laptop while speeding down the interstate eating a bowl of soup.

Anyway, if you go to the rich part of town, there are much less black and hispanic folks getting arrested for drug or violent crime. Even in the middle classes, those levels are much closer to the rate at which whites are arrested for.

[–]FancyMoustache 6 points7 points ago

This movie DESPERATELY needs a sequel. One of the funniest movies I've seen in the past 5 years.

[–]ClandestineGhost 1 point2 points ago

"At the crime scene...LOL" "That's a good tweet."

One of my favorite throw away dialogue clips from The Other Guys.

[–]F5ivedone 1 point2 points ago

As someone who has a black father and hispanic mother...I'M SCREWED!!

[–]JARSOFDUNG 1 point2 points ago

TIL They have Reddit in prison.

[–]taniquetil 1 point2 points ago

Statistically speaking, an obese man is 64% less likely to be arrested than a healthy man.

Reddit, I think you know what to do with all of that bacon.

[–]TuhdTheTroll 1 point2 points ago

I feel so awful that I laughed, but I'm still laughing, so I give you karmas.

[–]Butigroove 1 point2 points ago

Two: Try not to be poor.

[–]Emp14 1 point2 points ago

What movie is this from?

[–]snackburros 1 point2 points ago

Im Asian. I once got hauled into la county men's for 2 days because they mistook me for someone else with the same name. The first question they asked me was 'do get along better with blacks or Mexicans?' Then they put me with the blacks, because I didn't speak Spanish and it'd be a disadvantage

[–]JLFB 1 point2 points ago

whats this from?

[–]daanishh 1 point2 points ago

I'm a peacock, captain, you've gotta let me fly on this one!!

[–]Iasktoomuch 1 point2 points ago

There you go again with the TLC references

[–]Givants 2 points3 points ago*

Tip# 2: If you are escaping from the cops because you are Black or Hispanic, aim for the bushes.

Edit:nobody watched "The Other Guys"?

[–]JARSOFDUNG 1 point2 points ago

Hop fences. Known fact: Cops can't jump.

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[–]potato413 32 points33 points ago

It seems racist, but blacks and hispanics actually do get incarcerated at much higher rates than other races.

[–]rushdafunk 14 points15 points ago

Think about all the people in jail for drug related charges. Then think of how likely a rich white coke sniffer (all of hollywood) is going to be stopped by police for looking suspicious.

Then think about how likely a poor black person is going to be stopped by police for looking suspicious, and then eventually searched and found with drugs on his person. This tends to skew results

I'm not ignoring the fact, though, that poor people commit more crimes than rich people (black or white) but there is a higher rate of poverty among minorities

[–]tyme 11 points12 points ago

I'm a middle class white kid, clean cut hair, shaven, dress semi-well (jeans, collared shirts): Cop pulls me over for speeding, I get a ticket and am on my way.

My friend, who's also middle-cass white, looks like a hippy - beard, tie-dye shirts, ripped jeans, etc: He gets pulled over for speeding and ends up having his car searched.

It's not just the color of your skin.

[–]rushdafunk 5 points6 points ago

No its not just the color of your skin, but to say it isn't a factor is just plain denial. (I'm not saying you said it isn't a factor, but some people do)

I agree you look like a hippie/ bum of any race you are gonna get more attention.

[–]redtophat 5 points6 points ago

I went to a law lecture at the university in my city. The open lecture was about the change to the Canadian system adding minimum mandatory sentences and increasing incarceration length. One prof talked about how the people most harmed by this are minorities, because the system keeps them in and when they get out, they have no where to go. It creates a horrible cycle.

TLDR: The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness

[–]Metaphoricalsimile 9 points10 points ago

Because that's how racism works, it's a systemic thing that stems partially from personal biases.

[–]Auvit 6 points7 points ago

But saying that blacks and Hispanics are incarcerated more is not racist, which is what the submission is saying.

[–]scragar 11 points12 points ago

It's a fact, if it sounds racist it's because America as a whole has a racist streak.

Blacks get arrested more often, server longer sentences for the same offense and often earn less.

It's true, but it doesn't stop it from being disappointing.

[–]CasperH 11 points12 points ago

Isn't it still a possibility that they actually do commit more crimes? People always dismiss that as racism but I've never seen statistics prove either way

[–]JARSOFDUNG 6 points7 points ago

well I Donno about jail stats. But I saw the job ones and it was sad. Whites with a felony/any prison (not sure) record had a better chance getting jobs than college educated blacks when applying for the same jobs.

[–]Suttonian 5 points6 points ago

I guess it's a possibility - but I don't allow that possibility to change how I act towards people of other races, and then there's the problem that the reason that they might commit more crime is because of racism...I think it would be difficult to conduct a study to discover the underlying causes.

[–]homeboy5925 1 point2 points ago

Yes, black people commit more crimes on average. There's nothing racist about pointing out this fact. It becomes racist when you take this and turn it into "they commit crimes because they are black." That's the racist reasoning. There are wayyyy too many other variables (lack of family unit, poverty, lack of proper education) to put the blame solely on the color of someone's skin. If you look at the crime rates for middle class black people from intact homes with good educations, the crime rate drops severely. If black people committed crime because they are black, this wouldn't be the case.

[–]KazOondo 6 points7 points ago

Blacks, statistically, commit far, FAR more crimes than whites. This is not disputable. Black culture, at present, venerates crime.

[–]homeboy5925 2 points3 points ago

lol "black culture" doesn't venerate crime. having no family unit, a shit education system, growing up surrounded by crackheads and prostitutes venerates crime. don't be one of those people that blame everything on hip-hop. that's a cop out and simply isn't true. black culture has permeated itself into mainstream american culture to such an extent that if black culture really caused people to commit crimes, all those suburban white 15 year old 50 cent fans would be in jail right now.

[–]meta4our 2 points3 points ago

[–]JRoch 1 point2 points ago

I want fried chicken now.

[–]trippzy13 1 point2 points ago

Works for me.

[–]hamlin69 1 point2 points ago

It's not because they are black or Hispanic, It's because Hispanics and blacks commit crimes.

[–]reallyracistguy 2 points3 points ago

Bet you blacks wont follow this advice

[–]xxDeus777xx 0 points1 point ago

Check and check

[–]someshooter 0 points1 point ago

Semi-related - Mark Wahlberg and Will Ferrell were originally going to do this movie with Kevin Smith, ala A Couple of Dicks. Then the left to go make The Other Guys, and Tracy Morgan and Bruce Willis made Cop Out.

[–]dcgm 0 points1 point ago

"how did that make you feel?" "Like my cock was made out of concrete!"

[–]Xuber 0 points1 point ago

I enjoy the line from Liar Liar - "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!"

[–]Erickj 0 points1 point ago

That pretty much sums up life in America

[–]PeterMus 0 points1 point ago*

You could work to assimilate your ethnicity into the umbrella group known as white by emphasizing supposedly homogeneous traits between your ethnic group and those established as white. It has worked pretty well in the past...

[–]deduplication 0 points1 point ago

Right, because blacks and hispanics can't help but commit crimes.

[–]Inception12 0 points1 point ago

what movie?

[–]PajamaPenguin 0 points1 point ago

After senior year at my high school it was traditional to get a house with some friends at the cape and get drunk every night for a week. I'm a white male and I went with my girlfriend, two other white girls and four puerto rican guys who we were friends with. We had an awesome time all week, generally causing mayhem throughout the area. We drunkenly broke a lot of street signs because we were young and stupid, bringing them back to the house. When we were packing up to leave our last morning, the police knocked on our door and came into the house asking for the street signs. Someone had ratted us out. They asked me and the white chicks to step outside and they shut the door and left us out there while my four puerto rican friends got charged with every sign in the house despite the fact that I also took part. I was never questioned and neither were the girls.

[–]richiebkidd 0 points1 point ago

I'm 29 and black... did I win?

[–]bpnepal 0 points1 point ago

It is better not to go to jail.

[–]blackgrrl23 0 points1 point ago

Been locked up since day one then...

[–]Master-Thief 0 points1 point ago

Also relevant to staying out of jail, and very serious. This should be mandatory viewing for every kid in a U.S. high school.

[–]kuikka3 0 points1 point ago

As a white male, 27yo, doing my MSc in accounting I know I won't get sentenced for the white collar crimes I will do.

[–]StarvingAfricanKid 0 points1 point ago

it has been said to me on more than one occasion; "Try not to commit the felony of 'Driving while black'.

[–]mr_amaral 0 points1 point ago

The best part of this scene is right after, when a black kid in the class looks down at his desk in dread

[–]DevilsBestFriend 0 points1 point ago

The black kid's face after he says this is priceless.

[–]WussupBro 0 points1 point ago

What movie is this?

[–]NewAccts 0 points1 point ago

I'll rock your body with nasty hooks