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Just got a new job and they are making us use Internet Explorer. This is how I feel (imgur.com)

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[–]ShroudIII 34 points35 points ago

You feel like, "Fuck yo couch, Nigga!"?

[–]psychroclasm 9 points10 points ago

Yeah, I didn't get it, either. I'm not sure OP knows the story behind that .gif.

[–]Cruth99 2 points3 points ago

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

[–]psychroclasm 1 point2 points ago

My favorite part of that scene was always that laugh. It's a whole-body thing, but it's still subdued, somehow.

[–]xebix 5 points6 points ago

Fuck yo browser, nigga!

[–]string97bean 163 points164 points ago

I hate to be that guy, but I work in IT and require people to use IE just because it is easier to support through a WSUS server and group policy.

[–]Anonymous3891 68 points69 points ago

The people downvoting you have clearly never worked with a decent-sized Microsoft infrastructure.

Group Policy-The mechanism that allows administrators to enforce policies on your computer, from firewall settings, to available programs in the start menu, and sooo much more...it's nuts how granular it can get. This includes managing security settings in Internet Explorer.

Chrome and FF have extensions that allow for GP management, but last I checked they were more limited, and of course not baked-in, which makes it a pain in the ass. Sysadmins usually have better things to do than spend hours implementing and testing stuff just so you can use the browser you want. Not to mention it's yet another thing to support, migrate, backup, etc. when the time comes.

WSUS-Windows Server Update Services. Basically you can centralize the updates/fixes, and verify that everyone is running the latest version. Yes, I know Chrome and FF can auto-update, but that doesn't help when Susie in accounting gets some malware because she hasn't rebooted her system and closed her browser in 6 months.

[–]string97bean 17 points18 points ago

Thank you, I guess I should have explained it better in my initial post. I work in an environment with 800+ users and over 400 machines. I need to be able to have tight control over many different aspects of the web browser which I can do in Group Policy easily, and not so much with Chrome and FF. I will have to check out the extensions for the, but my guess is they won't provide much more than the ability to set the home page and such. And you are correct, the reporting with WSUS is great, and helps with patch management and such, especially when dealing with web apps that require HIPPA compliance, which means verification of all current patches.

[–]Dr_Professor_R 12 points13 points ago

I'm actually really glad for these posts. I always figured workplaces using IE were just too lazy to switch to other browsers. But to think IE has an advantage...mindblown

[–]not_not_smart -5 points-4 points ago

I work in a federal agency with over 40,000 systems (all in AD) across Windows/Mac/Linux and we still manage IE, Firefox, and Safari (SF is only for Macs). There's only 2 or 3 of us doing patching as well.

IMO, banning FF just because you don't control it properly is laziness.

[–]tatonca 7 points8 points ago

Many companies because of privacy laws and other audit requirements have to prove that they have the ability to tightly control internet access. This includes the proxy settings on the machine, and may include end user and off network controls. AD GPO and WSUS provide both the compliance and the logging to make those audits easy to pass at the browser level, without adding complexity with 3rd party add-ons that add risk to recovery. Because they are widely deployed it is also easy for the auditors to understand, since often they are not technical, so having something like "Industry standard control mechanism" for them to understand and check mark.

Anyone worth their salt as an IT administrator knows there are things you do to adhere to policy and things you do to actually be safe. The MS ecosystem does the former well and the latter not bad, with a few additional layers to the onion thrown in.

And when I say done, I mean done properly - as in bought, paid for and maintained by the vendor - not some good enough skunk works that is impossible to prove out to a layman without a neck beard. When downtime is counted in millions of dollars / minute, and you are running a .9999 uptime shop, with auditors breathing down your back bi-annually, you can't cut corners with 'good enough'. It's got to be rock solid and proven.

Repeatable. Supportable. Maintainable. Auditable.

If it doesn't meet those criteria, it's not worth talking about. Working with those requirements is the opposite of laziness, trust me.

[–]legion02 2 points3 points ago

If you cannot ensure that your proxy is the only way in or out of the network in the first place then all the policy in the world can't save you from portable Firefox/Chrome. If you lock off everything else at the firewall and take the 10 minutes it would take to document proxy setup in Firefox and Chrome then accountability is assured regardless of browser preferences. It will either work in an accountable way or not work at all.

[–]tatonca 0 points1 point ago*

If I'm documenting something, that means I'm expecting people to do it, not automagically through GPO. That means some % won't do it. And if you have no reporting system, how will you know who does and who doesn't to bring them into compliance?

Although I didn't spell it out, I did intimate that you would never trust a single measure for your end to end solution. Locking down the browser is simply one layer in an onion approach to enterprise security. But if you are going to say it is part of the solution, then you need to prove that it is in place, and make sure it stays in place, or it is not useful.

EDIT: spelling and I added second part

[–]not_not_smart -2 points-1 points ago

You said a lot of interesting words to excuse why an environment won't support an alternate browser, but I'm currently living in a 40,000 seat, federal, enterprise IT environment with IE, FF, and Safari with a budget that was literally cut in half recently.

Trust me. There is no neck-bearding going on. Quite the opposite. There's layers of documentation for everything.

It can be done.

[–]tatonca 4 points5 points ago*

I said it moments ago in another reply - if you are enforcing this through documentation alone, it means there is a risk of human error.

By all means - if your CIO is willing to sign off on unmitigated risk of human error in your end user security stance implementation, then hey, good for you.

Some of us don't have that luxury, and calling that lazy is quite frankly ignorant.

Edit: spelling

[–]string97bean 15 points16 points ago

It isn't laziness when you are the only IT person for an agency with 800+ users. I have to pick my battles.

[–]whiskeytab 2 points3 points ago

you said it yourself. you have 3 people doing patching. we have 3 people that support 1200 users for pretty much everything. its not laziness, its necessity.

[–]hedgecore77 2 points3 points ago

Laziness? Does IE work with all of your required web applications? Does Firefox? Does Chrome?

I work in a place that allows all three and IE (unfortunately) is the only one that works with all of the web apps the users use. I use FireFox until I have to go into one of those apps.

[–]not_not_smart -1 points0 points ago

Firefox does work with all the required web apps. When you have Macs in the environment you have to have FF support.

[–]hedgecore77 2 points3 points ago

Firefox shits the bed whenever I try to fire up SQL Server Reporting Services in it. It's also piss poor when it comes to AD integration which makes it flaky with our intranet portal and other internal applications. Again, it's allowed in the environment I administer because it's the best browser for compatibility with our CRM software. While we don't advocate use of Chrome, people are free to use it thought it rarely works perfectly with any of the aforementioned applications.

[–]PeeBagger 1 point2 points ago

The two companies with Macs are pleased to tout that I'm sure.

I kid, I kid, I was talking about east of the Rockies, only. If you count the whole country they're up to 5 now.

[–]saucedancer 1 point2 points ago

Well I do IT support for a million people.

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    [–]nscale -3 points-2 points ago

    I need to be able to have tight control over many different aspects of the web browser

    And this is why people hate IT, and why BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) is becoming popular.

    IT should be about helping people do their job more efficiently, but instead it is a culture of "you will do only the things I tell you and pre-approve", which just makes everyone unhappy. If you have to control someone's web browser you're doing it wrong. It's the IT equivalent of the TSA doing pat-downs on babies. Might make people feel good, doesn't address the real threats.

    [–]Zaziel 4 points5 points ago

    You have never worked in IT at significantly sized company, your opinion is uninformed.

    If you could know what I've done, and the infrastructure we maintain and support with M$ products... you would feel differently.

    The instant you move into a non-standard environment you start wasting about 5x the man hours in IT labor, it's really terrible. We kind of get paid $$.

    [–]nscale -1 points0 points ago

    The largest role was as a Senior IT decision maker in a 100,000 person company, managing about 35,000 desktops.

    The aside from a few Kiosk machines and some front line machines (POS stations time card stations, etc) that were locked down within an inch of their life things were pretty relaxed. Firefox, Chrome, download and install, no problem. It did not cause an IT headache.

    MS has given you a hammer, a very capable hammer. So you've chosen to only use nails for your projects. That doesn't mean that screws, and glue, and all sorts of other things exist, and might even be better some of the time.

    [–]Zaziel 1 point2 points ago

    Bring Your Own Device is NOT "Firefox, Chrome, download and install".

    I'm talking warranty issues, OS licensing issues, having identical hardware to drop their hard drive into when they spill coffee on their laptop, etc.

    [–]nscale 0 points1 point ago

    No, but as soon as you allow BYOD for iPhones, iPad's, and even laptops on your corporate network you have 100% untrusted systems, and have to turn to other means to secure them. At that point, trying to lock down a desktop you do provide is not a huge time saver. Treat it as insecure like any other device and move on with life.

    I suspect there's a time in the not too distant future that corporations won't provide PC's to a good number of employees. They like the cost savings. Employees like having what they want. It matches other industries; a auto-mechanic takes his own tools with him to the next job.

    [–]Zaziel 0 points1 point ago

    iPhones, iPads, Android devices, and even laptops can be secured with M$ products. Exchange accounts on the first three allow you to enforce password locks and allow remote wipe operations to be done.

    Laptops can be bit locked.

    I work in a hospital environment, so HIPAA and "meh we can't secure it" really are not an option.

    I can see your position being fine anywhere you don't face extremely steep fines from the government if your data leaks.

    [–]string97bean 3 points4 points ago

    You obviously do not work in IT.

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      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

      Glad someone has said and explained it. Ty :].

      [–]jbit_ 0 points1 point ago

      I'm pretty sure it's baked into chrome these days (at least if you use the MSI installer): http://chrome.blogspot.com/2010/12/chrome-is-ready-for-business.html

      Of course this is relatively recent (about a year and a half ago) and IE9 isn't broken, so most IT departments don't want to move to a new browser.

      [–]Anonymous3891 4 points5 points ago

      That's just the client though. You still need the templates server-side, and the policy needs configured, tested, etc.

      When you have a properly secured environment, there is little or no reason to use another browser (outside of specific requirements, e.g. webdev) and the additional time required for setup simply is not worth it. Especially when you operate understaffed as it is.

      [–]Readthecodes 0 points1 point ago

      The recent Chrome Administrative templates are fairly comprehensive. They also have some guides on deploying extensions, but I have yet to do that myself.

      [–]Wetmelon 2 points3 points ago

      This. Not sure how but our IT group (before I worked in the department) discovered a massive hole in Firefox and decided it would not be used even though they all liked it better. Chrome can fuck off with its "We own everything going through this browser" legalities. IE 9 isn't half bad and iirc it conforms to CSS/HTML stuff now.

      After working as IT in a rather large accounting firm (~2000 employees), having IE able to conform so easily means I wouldn't have it any other way. At least since IE 9 dropped :P

      [–]ITworksGuys 2 points3 points ago

      Same here. Our concern is mostly security as we can force updates.

      We cannot do that on chrome or FF or whatever.

      [–]cody31837 2 points3 points ago

      Same here. It's a lot easier for us because our content filter goes off of group policies in AD. It's nice to have Microsoft across the board instead of everyone having different issues with multiple browsers.

      [–]Confucius_says 1 point2 points ago

      also internet explorer (espeically recent versions of it) isn't that bad. You don't get all the same addon and customization possibilities of other browsers.. but you don't want that in an office environment anyway.

      [–]monkeyfett8 0 points1 point ago

      I understand the need for support, but FFS, IE7 still (in my case)? The company's own website doesn't even run on that.

      This isn't a small company either (easily top 50 in the world by revenue).

      [–]Rhakan -1 points0 points ago

      Ah, you're one of those IT guys that locks everything down because you're lazy. Don't give me any excuses about the size of your organization. 800+ users with 400 machines less than a quarter of what we deal with in my university and we support firefox, chrome, and IE. And this is with users constantly leaving/joining every fall and spring (when students graduate or enroll). No one is losing sleep over supporting 3 different browsers.

      [–]hedgecore77 1 point2 points ago

      And how much does your infrastructure impact the bottom line of your business? Do you offer tuition refunds if the network goes down? Can lectures still occur?

      Has the acronym GRC ever graced your halls of academia?

      [–]string97bean 0 points1 point ago

      Good for you, but you don't have my job and don't understand what I deal with. You can't compare what you don't fully comprehend.

      [–]Demonweed 0 points1 point ago*

      If resources are tight or Web browser use is a peripheral part of most work at a given firm, I could see a policy of refusing to support browsers other than IE. However, a ban on all other browser software would be disastrous for a firm that does Web design and still pretty bad for any line of work where the Web is a legitimate and valuable work resource.

      [–]string97bean 13 points14 points ago

      I agree with a Web Design firm, but I would hardly say it is "pretty bad" for people who use it as a resource. The reality is that what the majority of people use the web for would hardly be affected by a different browser beyond a minor inconvenience or preference. In fact, there are still many web applications that do not work well (or at all) in Chrome or Firefox, so in their case it causes more work for IT.

      [–]Demonweed -2 points-1 points ago

      Even in general business, I would still have a couple of concerns about it. For one, even if only 10% of users are technically savvy, a portion of that 10% may experience lower morale for not having the choice to run a different browser at least some of the time. Also, while the number of potential employees who might look elsewhere after hearing about such a policy is fairly small, I suspect the kind of people turned off by an IE only workplace would be evenly split between pretentious nitwits (who aren't so bad to discourage) and eclectic geniuses (who are very bad to discourage.)

      [–]gigglestick 2 points3 points ago

      A lot of businesses implement this, but have an exception list of people who have a business need for alternative browsers, or people who don't call the help desk about every little thing, like a site that won't open in chrome.

      [–]whiskeytab 2 points3 points ago

      if someone is so picky that they turn down a job because they have to use IE then i'd be fucking thankful i didn't have to support them. that just screams trouble and arguments.

      [–]SkySniper 3 points4 points ago

      a portion of that 10% may experience lower morale for not having the choice to run a different browser at least some of the time

      boo fucking hoo, its not like its hard to find a replacement who doesnt give a shit what browser he has to use, and is glad they have a job.

      [–]Anonymous3891 1 point2 points ago

      It's going to depend on the type of business you are in, but in general, you are overestimating the number of technically competent people out there, and an even smaller sliver would actually care to the point of demoralization.

      I've got ~110 users and we don't prohibit anyone from using whatever browser they want so long as they don't bug us for help with it. Out of those people, our CEO uses Firefox, and one person uses Chrome, and they're a technology retard. I'm assuming they just clicked the 'Install Chrome' button on the Google homepage one day.

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        [–]utfiedler -1 points0 points ago

        I could see a policy of not allowing knives in the office, but a ban on knives would be disastrous for a restaurant. Likewise, a ban on skimpy outfits would be disastrous for a strip club. But why are we pointing out such obvious facts?

        [–]Demonweed -1 points0 points ago

        Believe it or not, lots of firms that do not specialize in Web design still actually play an active role in editing or even designing their own online presence. While I'm sympathetic to IT guys reducing their personal burden with a "we only offer support for this one browser" policy, the "it is a violation of company policy to install any other browser" approach just seems like the product of a huge stick up the ass chip on the shoulder. Unless there are extreme security concerns (I mean protection for ICBM schematics or the NYSE killswitch, not the regional VP's latest report on sales volume among widget stores in Lower Slobovia County) tolerating the installation of an unsupported browser seems sure to do more good than harm.

        [–]NonaSuomi 1 point2 points ago

        Security holes in untested browsers, such as a nightly Firefox build for example, could open up the company's internal network to external intrusion. Depending on the business, this could mean the VP gets embarrassed when his birthday photos make Facebook, or it could mean their trade secrets get made public and they lose millions of dollars as a result. Network security is a serious issue, and browsers are a prime target vector for attacking a network. Less browser versions means less holes to be aware of and patch.

        To give an analogy, let's say you're in your panic room, and there's a mob outside trying to get in and do unmentionable things to you and your family. If you had the choice, would this secure room have:

        • 1 door?

        or

        • 3 doors?

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          [–]afcagroo -1 points0 points ago

          I hope that your cat spontaneously combusts.

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            [–]reavs 29 points30 points ago

            Cocaine is a hell of a drug

            [–]reynej 9 points10 points ago

            Darkness, you as cold as ice.

            [–]Thefinalwerd 4 points5 points ago

            They should of never given you niggas money!

            [–]Owen3781 0 points1 point ago

            It's a celebration!

            [–]ongofongo 0 points1 point ago

            came here looking for this, was not disappoint

            [–]chrisma08 3 points4 points ago

            So use a portable version of Chrome, Firefox, or Opera on a USB stick.

            [–]YawnSpawner 0 points1 point ago

            portable version of Chrome, Firefox

            Both of those install without needing admin access.

            [–]dubloe7 0 points1 point ago

            If you really need to, you can skin it to look exactly like IE too.

            [–]LunatriC 47 points48 points ago

            The latest IE is actually quite decent.

            [–]NotYourAverageFelon 6 points7 points ago

            Except for opening new blank tabs. Can you tell me why it takes so long to create a new blank tab?

            [–]Mycal 0 points1 point ago

            How long does it take yours? Mine literally takes fractions of a second to open about:blank and about:tabs. Even opening google.com takes no time at all..

            [–]NotYourAverageFelon 0 points1 point ago

            2-3 seconds on average.

            [–]Karrl1z4j2[!] 2 points3 points ago

            Nice try Bill Gates.

            [–]AndyOniyate 17 points18 points ago

            IE9 is just as good as Chrome and better than Firefox, imo.

            [–][deleted] 28 points29 points ago

            It is faster and easier on memory than both. It'll take a few years for people to actually accept that and get over their historically informed, preconceived notions.

            [–]thundercat13 5 points6 points ago

            getting pretty big memory leaks on chrome lately. Tried out IE and was much better. Might have to think about a switch

            [–]Skyline969 6 points7 points ago

            IE still can't do CSS for shit though. If I load my web interface for my proxy configuration tool in Chrome or Firefox, it loads just fine (centered, rounded corners, font looks engraved, etc). However, in IE it looks like a horrible abomination (all to the left, blocky, ghosted text).

            I ended up adding a detection to the tool and it refuses to load if you're using IE.

            [–]CredibleSources 2 points3 points ago

            You sure you have the correct Doctype defined?

            [–]Skyline969 1 point2 points ago

            It's possible that I don't. However, I'm not much of a web developer so I'm not sure which doctype I'd have to define.

            [–]fswmacguy -1 points0 points ago

            Doctype is irrelevant with CSS. IE9, while performing nicely on Windows machines, doesn't do CSS3 very well at all.

            [–]Mycal 0 points1 point ago

            Care to share an example? I have yet to see a site that doesn't render properly on IE9.

            [–]Asdayasman 0 points1 point ago

            I love it when web devs actually do that.

            [–]churika -1 points0 points ago

            This is the main reason people still hate on IE, I agree with the above statement that IE9 is much better in some aspects than Chrome and Firefox. But this reason right here is why I will always have a burning hate for IE in my heart. I hope it dies of gonorrhea and rots in hell.

            [–]Skyline969 5 points6 points ago

            Don't get me wrong - performance-wise IE9 is up there with Firefox and Chrome. However, if it can't display web pages properly, what good is it?

            [–]Rhakan 1 point2 points ago

            Isn't this because IE integrates with explorer.exe or some other system process? I was told that the only reason IE's memory footprint was so small was that it's just running on top of some other system process that's already taking up memory.

            [–]broncavfan -2 points-1 points ago

            The only "preconceived notion" that I'm stuck on is the 0-day exploit that they still haven't fixed from IE6. If they want somebody like me to use IE, they're going to have to provide a browser that DOESN'T come with a known exploit the moment I download it.

            [–]utfiedler 2 points3 points ago

            From the article - "...his team came to Vancouver with zero-day flaws for every browser on every operating system." I'm guessing this means that you don't use any web browser at all? How are you posting this on the internet? You're a wizard!

            [–]broncavfan -4 points-3 points ago

            The point is that the other companies fix their exploits. Internet Exploder has had the same problem, simply ignored, for 10+ years. Your downvote isn't going to change the fact that Microsoft has been ignoring a 10+ year problem.

            [–]utfiedler 0 points1 point ago*

            So Microsoft was aware of that particular vulnerability you linked to in your first article and left it unpatched? That's interesting information. I wonder why they left that fact out of the article you linked previously, and instead suggested that Microsoft has been improving security in their browser. "Bekrar said his team has started work analyzing the IE 10 consumer preview and has found it much more difficult to exploit, due to new mitigations." It's good that we have informed members like you on reddit to help us interpret these misleading articles.

            [–]broncavfan -1 points0 points ago

            The code execution attack, which required no user action beyond browsing to a rigged web site, also works on Internet Explorer v10 (consumer preview) running on Windows 8.

            “This goes all the way back to IE 6. It will work on IE 6 all the way to IE 10 on Windows 8,” Bekrar said.

            Do you have a point? I'm failing to see any counter-argument from you. Just remember, you've used insults more than facts to make your "point". I should stop I guess, seeing as how that's a sign of such high intelligence. I'm contributing articles and information to a discussion. The best you can come up with is insults. You're definitely the better redittor.

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                [–]bricardo 1 point2 points ago

                Firefox was in a bit of a slump but since the last 2 versions it is back to being great.

                [–]matt01ss -2 points-1 points ago

                Lol at the downvotes, haters gonna hate.

                Last time I did speed tests, IE9 beat chrome in all areas, not to mention how often chrome crashes on me.

                [–]AndyOniyate 2 points3 points ago

                The true nightmare is at my work they make us use IE7. I've got chrome installed for redditing and such, but IE won't update x.x

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

                IE7, now that's a legitimate version to hate.

                [–]Thotaz 1 point2 points ago

                Yeah but in most cases when they force you to use IE it's one of the older versions which I think everyone can agree on that they all sucked a lot before IE9 (well 8 was okay imo, but so bad compared to the other browsers)

                [–]Colhom 0 points1 point ago

                yep. tried IE9 on Win7 last week by accident, having almost forgotten about it. I was amazed with the performance and responsiveness

                [–]Hafnium 0 points1 point ago

                Maybe, but its compliance with CSS is still abysmal! Nothing we can do about that, though. Its not as if we can ignore their market share.

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                  [–]Quietbetrayal 7 points8 points ago

                  You can buy another couch but what am I going to do about my legs charlie murphy!!!

                  [–]Asdayasman 2 points3 points ago

                  Daaarkness!

                  [–]metalgod 8 points9 points ago

                  As a man without a job, fuck you and your first world problems.

                  [–]SyFyWrestler 2 points3 points ago

                  My favorite thing about Internet Explorer is when you open a blank tab and it says "Connecting..."

                  Connecting to what, motherfucker?

                  [–]crazymuffin147 2 points3 points ago

                  I'm Rick James Bitch?

                  [–]crazymuffin147 1 point2 points ago

                  Not sure OP gets context

                  on a side note: That was a fantastic show.

                  [–]e60deluxe 0 points1 point ago

                  Fuck Yo Couch!

                  [–]geminitx 2 points3 points ago

                  Implementing a non-IE browser into our environment would mean my team of 4 would have to test every single web-based application our company utilizes to make sure they are compatible... and we host at least 30 different applications. Then, once approved, we have to update it and support it and field stupid questions about why one website will load in Chrome and won't load in IE. A company would not waste all that time and resources ($$$) just to implement a browser that may or may not be marginally faster but harder to support/update.

                  [–]bettse 0 points1 point ago

                  http://browsershots.org might help. Or selenium.

                  [–]randolf_carter 0 points1 point ago

                  Or you tell your users that their web-apps only work in IE. That doesn't prevent them from using other browsers for everything else.

                  [–]chucktestlacoil 0 points1 point ago

                  And have to repeat that 5X a day for the rest of the companies existence? You underestimate the stupidity of the end user.

                  [–]geminitx 0 points1 point ago

                  Our users do not have local administration rights. They can't install anything without asking us.

                  [–]dubloe7 0 points1 point ago

                  Oh noes, I may have to use IEtab...

                  [–]suprasprode 2 points3 points ago

                  OK. I work for the government. Everywhere I go keeps trying to get me to upgrade to IE 8. Think how that feels.

                  [–]monkeyfett8 0 points1 point ago

                  I know that feel man. IE7 blows. My company website doesn't even run on it.

                  [–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

                  Get over it. Be thankful your internet isn't filtered for work specific sites. We can do that too.

                  [–]HeHeHeGS 7 points8 points ago

                  Does this hate for IE now mean that with everyone jumping to other browsers Hipsters are going to have to start using IE to be contrary?

                  [–]Demonweed 9 points10 points ago

                  Hipsters have always used LYNX. You've probably never heard of it.

                  [–]chesterdjester 1 point2 points ago

                  IE hate has been around since IE6. It's hardly new.

                  [–]Fishooked 0 points1 point ago

                  Its been around since Netscape

                  [–]HeHeHeGS 0 points1 point ago

                  That was '01-'03, back then you had no other real options: Netscape was dead, Mozilla was failing to build anything from the scraps, Firefox wasn't going to be born for a few more years and Macs were still complete pieces of crap with Safari and no built in CD drives! And the *NIX world was so fragmented with release versions most people never even got to see LYNX...

                  That left IE with a 90+% market share...

                  You can not truly hate something until you have other options... Today NOT having a 2nd browser installed is considered odd!

                  [–]chesterdjester 0 points1 point ago

                  There were plenty of browser options in 2001-2003.

                  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Timeline_of_web_browsers.svg

                  [–]HeHeHeGS 0 points1 point ago

                  Scroll over to 2002, the heart of the era I am talking about and then look down that list, first take out any browser that started or ended in '01, '02 or '03, because dying products are abandoned and new products aren't well known or trusted.

                  Seriously do I have to say NO to the text based browsers?

                  Then burn all the blue bars near the top because they are Internet Explorer clones or versions... (and we are talking about hating them)

                  Then you can see the Mozilla fracture in pink as they fell apart and different people tried to pick it up.

                  Then you get into some good browsers that were just unstable for a few more years...

                  Then take out the *NIX programs because this was when everyone was releasing competing versions and compatibility was for shit even if you had a *NIX system. And they didn't do a thing for the windows crowd.

                  So if you look closer then just "Hey there are lines and names!" you will see that we didn't have squat for options back then.

                  hmm... Now excuse me while I go find my black socks and sandals so I can talk more about how easy kids have it these days ;)

                  [–]chesterdjester 0 points1 point ago

                  Opera and Netscape were two viable options against using IE back then, netscape was well known and opera was known to avid pc users. In fact loads of people used Netscape and preferred it at the time.

                  [–]HeHeHeGS 0 points1 point ago

                  Ummmmm Sort of but your dates are off a smidge...

                  Netscape released its source code in 1998 and basically stopped working on a real browser, Switching over to the communicator software trying to integrate e-mail into a business friendly suite... that failed horribly, no surprise with them being owned by AOL at that point.

                  So by 2001 - 2002 Netscape was most of the way out the door. So your not WRONG your just off by about 2 years... because in '98 Netscape was a great option. It was the buy out by AOL that killed it.

                  [–]lastwurm 0 points1 point ago

                  Yeah. Back in that time frame no one used Netscape because it pretty much had become a joke. IE completely smacked it down, then Netscape evolved into the bloatware. Netscape was left to the "fanboies" and "m$ h8rz". IE 5/5.5 did so much from a programming standpoint that once IE6 hit and fixed some of the issues left from the 5 / 5.5 days it was the poster boy for rad. Much to the bane of everyone today, IE 5 / 5.5 / 6 was actually a really good product when it was introduced. IE6 was untouchable for years. Netscape 7/8 finally put some dents back into it.

                  [–]AnAge_OldProb 0 points1 point ago

                  Which Mac didn't have built in CD drive? As far as I know all Macs had CD drives from about 98 on.

                  [–]HeHeHeGS 0 points1 point ago

                  Ok they STARTED shipping in late '98 at a time when macs sales numbers were at the lowest they have ever been since the company started. But that meant very few of the ones I was working on in college had them yet come 2001 ;) ("Real world" implementation)

                  [–]Rellikten 4 points5 points ago

                  Web developer here, we discuss this subject quite regularly. IE9 isn't so bad but there are still a lot of people out there who still use IE6 or IE7. This is because their companies internal systems will only work for those old browsers and it's too costly to develop a new system on a modern browser.

                  If my company forced me to use IE6 then I think this reaction is called for.

                  [–]WesWarlord 0 points1 point ago

                  I'm that guy. I work for the state and their web based system was designed to work with IE6. It's god awful.

                  [–]Rellikten 0 points1 point ago

                  Is there no way you can prove that you need a better browser for work? I've wasted entire days fixing problems with a clients website because all they can view it in is IE6 or 7. Our work is mostly hindered by old versions of IE, at least 9 can handle some of the more modern techniques we use.

                  [–]JoshTay 19 points20 points ago

                  It's a web browser. Get over it.

                  [–]nscale 1 point2 points ago

                  If it was just the web browser, I would agree. However, most of the IT firms that lock down the browser like this lock down a ton of other stuff in a totally non-senical way. I worked at one briefly. I've had friends who work at them. If you're IT security group simply locks down everything without understanding the user's needs, run, run as fast as possible. It means management from the top down doesn't understand technology at all, and that's deadly in today's business world.

                  [–]matt01ss 3 points4 points ago

                  I agree, I'm so tired of people thinking they are so amazing because they don't use IE. I'm sorry but IE9 is a hell of a lot more stable than firefox/chrome but apparently karma whoring contributes to hating IE.

                  [–]redditreddi -5 points-4 points ago

                  You have to be joking right? No way is IE9 more stable than Firefox or Chrome when comparing them all without any addons or plugins. Close in stability but not the same. I won't even mention all the other benefits which other browsers can provide.

                  [–]matt01ss -1 points0 points ago

                  I will agree at one point IE was not that good, but with IE9 I feel much more stable than when I use chrome. Mainly I get issues with youtube and other embedded media sites, chrome locks up and stops responding a lot of times.

                  Honestly, my biggest gripe is the keyboard shortcut interactions. It's the very little things that get me. If I click play on a youtube video, and while the video is playing I type Ctrl-W, it will not close the window/tab. In IE it will; for some reason in Chrome I need to click off the video object and into white space. It is the absolute little things like this that makes me really like IE more-so than other browsers.

                  [–]vinfx -1 points0 points ago

                  I use Chrome a lot. It is not exactly "stable". I have to do a hard kill occasionally because it's locked up on some page and for some peculiar reason it locks up access to the other tabs (yes, I know they are separate processes but explain that to my seized up instance).

                  [–]redditreddi 0 points1 point ago

                  I use Firefox daily across a variety of machines, I have not used Chrome quite as heavily. I also use IE9 daily which I am not too pleased with as the UI I feel is not as refined and slower to respond. Stability wise I have found it to be less stable than Firefox, but it is very close as I said before. It's also lacking many features and is heavily tied to Bing which is useless. Mozilla went through a slower to launch stage with Firefox for most computers using standard HDD (not SSD) but lately they have been stepping up the game in this aspect. So, IE9 - Microsoft's best browser yet, but still behind by a fair amount in my opinion of course.

                  [–]JoshTay -3 points-2 points ago

                  thank you.

                  [–]bettse 0 points1 point ago

                  I like to compare web browsers to cars. For some people it makes no difference at all, for some people it is an issue they feel passionate about.

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                    [–]da90 1 point2 points ago

                    ... I don't think this gif means what you think it means...

                    [–]Justintime233 1 point2 points ago

                    It makes you want to fuck your couch?

                    [–]adj16 1 point2 points ago

                    http://www.ietab.net/

                    [–]CommieCanuck 1 point2 points ago

                    We're still on XP with IE 6 although they've recently allowed IE 7. And this is one of the top 15 banks in the world.

                    [–]bobothetractor 1 point2 points ago

                    Fuck a bunch of browser snobs. Who gives a shit.

                    [–]kcender 1 point2 points ago

                    I work in healthcare and many of our vendors only support IE6 (even worse, XP only as well). To get FDA certified is a pain in the butt, so getting someone to update their code base and get re-certified is almost impossible. We can't kick the vendors out because switching costs are prohibilitive (several million dollars and months / years of work). I feel for our end users but thankfully, working in the IT dept, I get local admin on my machine and can install a Chrome without trouble.

                    [–]kakksakka 1 point2 points ago

                    Fuck yo couch nigga buy another one u rich mothafucka !

                    [–]Kelseyb 1 point2 points ago

                    I work for the federal government... I have to use Internet Explorer, Lotus Notes, and Word Perfect.

                    yaayyyy

                    [–]Volsunga 1 point2 points ago

                    IE9 and IE10 are excellent browsers. They beat Chrome, Firefox, and Safari in many areas. The only real reason you'd not use the current Internet Explorer is the lack of add-ons and customization. It's been a long time since the cesspit that was IE6 and people need to get over it.

                    [–]epsilis 1 point2 points ago

                    Mandatory IE for work here. I work from home, but most of my companies tools only work reliably within IE. At least I can use version 9 though. If you actually take the time to config your IE, not only is it secure, but it's got a fairly simplistic interface as well. I don't run antivirus on my computer at all, a point of professional pride for me. I did a full scan of my system with chicago logic's pc protection, which is a straight clone of malwarebytes antimalware, and super antispyware. All I found was tracking cookies. A little education about safe browsing will go a long way towards keeping yourself virus free, even active x scripted malware.

                    [–]gentleman_brown 1 point2 points ago

                    So fucking what?

                    [–]caitlin_major 1 point2 points ago

                    I work in web design and development in a government department (in Australia) and we have to use IE6. And they're always telling us to be innovative and cutting edge... Massive face palm.

                    [–]DuckyFuck 1 point2 points ago

                    IE makes you feel like Rick James?

                    [–]apathy_thrills 1 point2 points ago

                    i work for a state agency and the supported browser is IE 6. no joke.

                    [–]rockmongoose 0 points1 point ago

                    You feel like Rick James, bitch?

                    [–]catsconcert 0 points1 point ago

                    Just the headline belongs in WTF

                    [–]jonms83 0 points1 point ago

                    other than being slow to load, you may want to try firefox portable apps

                    [–]Killa_McGrill 0 points1 point ago

                    Fuck yo couch!

                    [–]DarKcS 0 points1 point ago

                    If I was IT manager there, I would help you out bro. For a price. Gotta keep my MMO accounts funded, yaknow?

                    [–]Jithak 0 points1 point ago

                    You have work with IE or you use IE for something else while you're supposed to work?

                    [–]TheLastBoyScout 0 points1 point ago

                    Install Chrome anyways..... Most IT Departments are too lazy to go through and block it from Installing since it installs through IE.

                    At least at my job the PCs are locked down tight and i can still get it to load for me. Just be sure to change the icon for Chrome back to IE so it looks stealthy.

                    [–]Jorgwalther 0 points1 point ago

                    Working for the government or a contractor who has to access government portals? I feels ya

                    [–]tpain138 0 points1 point ago

                    I'm at working using IE as I write this.

                    [–]r0ugew0lf 0 points1 point ago

                    This belongs on /r/HIFW

                    [–]cboogie 0 points1 point ago

                    Since FF 8 their enterprise support has shat the bed. And at least in my environment the decision makers are afraid of chrome. Could not tell you why. But these are the same people who did not want us to upload our pdf request forms to our sharepoint because it would "take up too much space". Good thing my office is on the 17th floor and I have a window that opens. I might use it one day.

                    [–]raudo 0 points1 point ago

                    You have to start beg local admin rights from IT guys. Luckily I have to use some custom engineering apps which cannot be installed without admin rights.

                    [–]Bucky_Ohare 0 points1 point ago

                    Mandatory IE here.

                    We upgraded just 3 years ago from IE 6 to IE 7.

                    Yep.

                    [–]kingg2 0 points1 point ago

                    suffer

                    [–]Eymou 0 points1 point ago

                    Fuck your couch nigga! .. Oh^ Dave chapelle..

                    [–]losmuffinman 0 points1 point ago

                    Fuck this couch! Fuck your couch nigga!

                    [–]Neil_Armschlong 0 points1 point ago

                    UNITYYYYY

                    [–]BoredValet 0 points1 point ago

                    Plead da FIF'!

                    [–]Ixilary 0 points1 point ago

                    Can someone please explain to me what the hate with Internet Explorer is all about? I switched to Firefox a good year ago because of how often people told me to use it (basically just from peer pressure). I STILL prefer Internet Explorer by a long shot! It is not in any way slower for me, and unlike firefox, it doesn't randomly freeze every few days. The only reason I continue to use Firefox is just because of posts like these.

                    [–]LNMagic 0 points1 point ago

                    http://portableapps.com/

                    You don't have to install it to use it.

                    [–]yupitsani 0 points1 point ago

                    haha my new job does the same. I MAAAAY have broken the rules and downloaded chrome >.<

                    [–]ozyman_451 0 points1 point ago

                    I clicked on comments expecting the top comment to include the words rick james bitch!

                    [–]threwahway 0 points1 point ago

                    Make your own company or get back to work. IE is fine for nearly everything WORK related.

                    [–]HouseOfKrazees 0 points1 point ago

                    RIP Chappelle's Show

                    [–]zZzDKzZz 0 points1 point ago

                    Ahhh.. military members oh so familiar with this.

                    [–]thedude213 0 points1 point ago

                    I think Firefox makes a portable browser made to run off a thumb drive.

                    [–]acemasterke406 0 points1 point ago

                    Did anyone else hear " Fuck yo couch, Nigga-Nigga!", in Dave's voice, in a repetitious and constant rhythm?

                    [–]Gromitt42 0 points1 point ago

                    I'm in IT and my company has the same policy. A large amount of our users are stupid and would infect their computer without our implementation of proxy through group policy. A lot of custom applications are web-based now and a few simply don't function correctly in other browsers. IE is reliable, secure with proxy etc etc... The only people who complain tend to be the "I don't work in IT but I have an xbox so know computer stuff" crowd. (negative karma expected)

                    [–]osheasf 0 points1 point ago

                    You feel like CHARLIE MURPHAYYYY

                    [–]tacojohn48 0 points1 point ago

                    My internship forced IE6, it was the only browser that would work with their internal sites. They were in the process of upgrading everything so they could move to a more recent IE.

                    [–]glass_canon 0 points1 point ago*

                    I was recently able to bypass my lack of admin access and install chrome directly from the website. Immediate +9/+9 on use. Oh and it was IE7.

                    *Firefox downvoter :O

                    [–]repster 0 points1 point ago

                    safe? the latest tests seem to indicate that there are more security problems in firefox and chrome?

                    in any case, it is a browser. You click on links, it shows you pages. Get over it.

                    [–]Wafflez27 0 points1 point ago

                    FUCK YO COUCH!!!

                    [–]Benign_Tempest 0 points1 point ago

                    Firefox can easily be "installed" on most computers despite policies that do not allow installation of programs...

                    [–]YawnSpawner 1 point2 points ago

                    Chrome as well.

                    [–]Zerble 0 points1 point ago

                    Like a whiny bitch, Mr. Wallace?

                    [–]canondocre 0 points1 point ago

                    can you even articulate why you dislike IE other than people have told you that Firefox or Chrome is better? Would it blow your fucking mind if I told you that IE runs fast if you don't allow a millino addons and toolbars to be installed?

                    [–]Ex_Digg_User -4 points-3 points ago

                    Quit. Now.

                    [–]Fishooked -3 points-2 points ago

                    You should be lucky you have a job. And access to the internet at said job. First World Problems

                    [–]psychroclasm 1 point2 points ago

                    That's one of the things my little brother says. "You should be lucky." That's like saying that you should cause the universe to do nice things for you for no reason. I beat him mercilessly.

                    "You should be grateful," or "You are lucky." Pick one.

                    [–]Fishooked 0 points1 point ago

                    I choose neither. OP is still an ingrate

                    [–]damnflanders -1 points0 points ago

                    You can run Firefox off of a flash drive. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

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                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

                    It was Eddie's couch, wasn't it? I thought I remembered something about Rick saying that Eddie could buy 100 new couches.

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                    [–]psychroclasm 0 points1 point ago

                    According to the story, "WE got a new couch." While I'm fairly certain that Eddie bought it, he claimed it for both of them.

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                    [–]psychroclasm 0 points1 point ago

                    I honestly trust Rick James a little more than Charlie, but he also said he didn't remember grinding his feet on the couch, immediately followed by "Yeah, I remember grinding my feet in Eddie's couch."

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                    [–]psychroclasm 1 point2 points ago

                    Good job. I've got to stop being lazy.

                    [–]TheJoel2012 -1 points0 points ago

                    Fuck yo couch, nigga.

                    [–]jesusapproves -1 points0 points ago

                    http://i.imgur.com/uPWDp.jpg

                    [–]bettse 0 points1 point ago

                    Hey! I remember you from /r/tea. How's your wife doing?

                    Also, I think its worth pointing out that basically everyone complains about something in their life, from the kid who doesn't have enough to eat to the millionaire who would like a break on his taxes. It could be argued that anyone who has a problem over the first level of Maslow's hierarchy could be considered first world. I prefer to not judge those whose problems I can't empathize with since my life may change and I might one day be in that position.

                    [–]jesusapproves 0 points1 point ago

                    No judgements - just using a meme to summarize the post

                    [–]IronOxide42 -1 points0 points ago

                    On that note, the first thing my Computer Science did this semester was open Internet Explorer.

                    I laughed.

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