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A Lesson that Christians, Muslims, and Atheists need to learn. (i.imgur.com)
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[–]postguy2 26 points27 points28 points 3 months ago
False equivocation. Religion typically has a set of commands, that many people believe in, that influences their behavior (bad things such as anti-gay, women subservience, even martyrdom). Atheism has no commands. It is impossible to do anything with atheism as a motivation.
You might as well say Stalin was evil because he didn't believe in leprechauns, or always wore that hat.
[–]drewbellflower 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
I may be totally wrong, but a couple of my more worldly friends told me that one of the premises of Stalin's regime was to eliminate religion. He was spreading his atheism or something.
And by more worldly, I mean more worldly than myself.
[–]ethertrace 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago
Which is why censorship is bullshit. I am against censorship. The government has no place regulating what ideas are legal.
We don't need to proscribe certain belief systems or ways of thinking. We need to get people to understand why certain ideas and modes of thinking are harmful and dangerous. The only way to do that is to promote education and critical thinking.
Just because that's difficult and not always successful doesn't mean that governmental repression is the proper answer. Communist Russia's problem was not that it was too reasonable. It's that it was too much like a religion.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
you're not wrong, but as I understand it his reasons for spreading atheism derived from him refusing to allow any authority higher than himself.
[–]anarchir 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
It was a different religion, that of government worship.
[–]T25Bomb 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I think you're missing the point. A person's ethical decisions are not always influenced by their religion. Whether atheism is used as motivation or not, it's very possible for atheists to do horrible things. And just because someone is christian doesn't mean that they will hate gay people, and it also doesn't mean that they won't murder someone.
You should judge a person based on their ethics and not on their religion or lack thereof.
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[–]Alchoholocaustic 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago
I've never met an evil buddhist.
[–]Mackeja 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago
There are good Buddhists (Ashoka), and evil buddhists, (Kublai Khan). Satisfied?
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[–]ThisIsNotTea 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Look up Pure Land Buddhism. as well as Tantric Buddhism. as well as Nichiren Buddhism. and pretty much any Tibetan School of Buddhism.
NONE of those I would consider secular.
[–]cyborgmermaid 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
There have been some pretty bloody wars fought in the name of conflicting sects of Buddhism, from Sri Lanka all the way to Japan. While I consider myself a sort-of-Buddhist, I will not at all say Buddhism's long history is one free of terrible crimes.
[–]dgillz 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago
Malcolm X was a good person?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X#The_Hate_That_Hate_Produced
[–]Raggz 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
After he went to Mecca he became good and preached peace. This pissed of some of his former supporters leading to his assassination.
[–]I_liek_graypez 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
Yes, but the difference between Stalin and the "bad religious people", is that Stalin wasn't evil in the name of atheism. He was just a fucked up guy. Bin Laden and Hitler were very open about mass murder and other stuff like that because they felt like it was their duty given by God to do so.
[–]fsckit 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
Its not the religion, its the reason for the evilness. Stalin was evil because he was a paranoid control freak. Bill Gates isn't good because he's an atheist, its because he has a conscience and his government are too evil to do take on their responsibilities.
[–]superfes 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Atheists don't need to learn this, we're completely aware that people are dicks on this planet.
[–]me_ta_lu_na 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
Wait... Hitler was a Christian??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
[–]Just_Brad 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
I have no clue who would downvote you except insecure people who can't stand threats to their worldview.
There is an apparent controversy as to what (if any) religion Hitler followed. Fuck you if you would rather continue to (erroneously) state that Hitler was most certainly Christian and that belief definitely motivated his actions.
If you keep doing that, you are the atheist equivalent of a Christian who claims that men have 1 fewer rib than women do.
[–]Saenii 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Yes, but Osama and Hitler's crimes both relate directly to religion, whilst Dr. King's achievements don't. Also, Stalin's crimes did not stem from religion, as did Osama and Hitler's. There is a difference between having a faith and doing something, and doing something out of faith.
[–]MammothSpider 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Completely agree. Most people seem to condemn any group that has opposing views, then use the "bad" people of that group as examples.
[–]wedge9 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
Yep. With respect to the other commenters here, that's the point -- not whether all six people's actions were motivated by religion or not.
[–]Gh0sts44 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Why point at Hitlers moustache? That man had wonderful taste in facial hair. Shame I can't have it without getting looks.
[–]iAmLegion3614 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I feel like this image is trying to condition the human mind to conclude that the majority of people with facial hair are evil.
[–]glNito 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
It's different in the sense that the religions tell you who to hate, just because someone considers themself to follow a religion, cherry-picking what they like from it does not mean they're a devout follower of that religion.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Communism was something similar to religion: it had it's own ideology and the leader of the country was it's god, also persecution against others religions.
[–]Mileskitsune 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
wasn't malcolm an extremist? or is that the school system shoving more lies?
[–]augustbandit 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I am not sure I would have picked Malcom X as the "good" example. I mean, he did pretty consistently advocate for explicit violence..
[–]Ruoh 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
You don't know what "correlate" means.
[–]Just_Brad 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I can't upvote this more than once. I would if I could.
[–]8284jn 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
There does however, appear to be a direct correlation between facial hair and ethics.
[–]TehNozgoth 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
fuck you, OP. malcom X was an evil piece of shit. read a fucking book.
[–]toferdelachris 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
could have chosen someone a little unequivocally better for representing Islam... Malcolm X was the opposite of a rock band: everyone liked his later stuff better
[–]Paradoxius 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
The moral here is that non-Americans are evil and Americans are good.
[–]AP9000 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Anybody else think he was gonna try to equate facial hair with goodness?
[–]slacking101 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
bill gates donates more than 90& of his money to charity and all he gets is ethical?
[–]MackieDrew 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
No... actually it does CORRELATE with ethics. Check out prison population.
[–]ReasonOVERFaith 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I think you may be missing the point with what atheists are trying to make. Those who follow a religion are more likely to commit terrible acts, like war, genocide, limiting civil rights, etc. All because they believe something written in a book thousands of years ago, they commit these acts based on their beliefs. Atheists on the other hand cannot commit similar acts based on their beliefs. Unless they are killing in the name of science or if they ever just wanna wipe out religion but how many times has that happened? There are far more, farrr more documented cases of religion causes evil, wars, etc then there is of non-believers.
[–]The_A_Drain 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
This shit comes up all the time and I'm sick of debating it so I'm gonna load the default response of "Fuck You."
There are good and bad everything, sane and insane everything, but brainwashing children into believing in any flavor of sky-fairy is straight up child abuse.
[–]LowSlimBoot 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
This would be perfect if it didn't say "get over it" at the end. I can't think of a less mature thing to say in that context.
[–]Kaminaaaaa -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago
Deserves front page. Too much religion bashing on here now.
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