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[–]13243546576879 2 points3 points ago

I like that Malcom X is a "good" person, but Bill Gates is an "ethical" person.

[–]dadouglas[S] 0 points1 point ago

Good catch. Didn't notice that originally.

[–]FoxOnTheRocks 1 point2 points ago

I have a hard time accepting that an politician actually has religious beliefs. Any politician worth his salt should claim to have exactly those beliefs that best suit his purpose.

[–]johnny107 1 point2 points ago

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. "-Adolf Hitler

Wait..Hitler was a Christian? Then what the fuck was he talking about with that? Or this..

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.

Or this

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.

Or this

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

Or this

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease

Or this

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.

Or this...

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity

Or this...

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ."

Shit...this man was such a Christian he pretended he hated it just so he could ask gods forgiveness and mean it!

[–]kencabbit 1 point2 points ago

There are conflicting writings and accounts of his religious beliefs. Probably because the man was conflicted and self-contradictory in general. Also, his religious beliefs evolved over time along with his political philosophies and his own madness. Picking out a few choice quotes -- on either side of the argument -- does no justice to the truth of the man.

[–]johnny107 1 point2 points ago

Hitler wasn't a Christian. This is just objective fact. I mean..that wasn't a few choice quotes. That was all shit the man said in his private life to people around him. He obviously had no love for Christianity, even if he occasionally did give it lip service to help his political carreer.

Frankly, I've seen more evidance that Hitler was more into bizarre occult mysticism then he ever was with Christianity. You have to remember this is the same guy who said "The great masses will be easier mislead by a big lie then a small one". What he said in his political speeches should be taken with a grain of salt.

In any case, the guy was more interested in his own power and how best to perserve it then he was in anything else. I don't know if it would be right to call him an atheist, but he certainly wasn't religious in any real way.

[–]kencabbit 1 point2 points ago

There are also a number of quotes of shit the man said in his private life that strongly suggest a belief in god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Private_statements

[–]johnny107 0 points1 point ago

I don't know if it would be right to call him an atheist, but he certainly wasn't religious in any real way.

Having some spiritual leanings doesn't make you religious.

[–]kencabbit 1 point2 points ago

I stand by my original point:

Picking out a few choice quotes -- on either side of the argument -- does no justice to the truth of the man.

[–]dadouglas[S] 1 point2 points ago

Yes, but notice all the quotes supporting that he was a Christian here: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

My conclusion? He's a faker who adjusts his stance according to what best suits the occasion. A Mitt Romney, if you will.

[–]Irish_Whiskey 1 point2 points ago

Yes, religion doesn't always correlate with ethics. But since most major religions are ethical systems, with literal commandments, their effects on the people obeying them is relevant. The ethical systems of those atheists is relevant too, but since those systems were political rather than atheism, it's not really a sensible comparison.

[–]Veract 0 points1 point ago

I believe Hitler was an atheist if I'm not mistaken? The only reason he referenced god in his speeches was because the majority of his armies were christian, I could be wrong, and if so, correct me.

[–]Irish_Whiskey 2 points3 points ago*

The only reason he referenced god in his speeches was because the majority of his armies were christian, I could be wrong, and if so, correct me.

He talked positively about Christianity a great deal, including in his personal writings. He also said some negative things, although they may have been regarding specific understandings of it, or he could have changed his mind over time. By objective standards we'd call him Christian since he identified that way, and there's nothing conclusively saying he was only faking belief.

[–]dadouglas[S] 0 points1 point ago

Furthermore, his actions were based upon the antisemitic writings of Martin Luther.

[–]dadouglas[S] 1 point2 points ago

Definitely a Christian. There's a whole Wikipedia article with multiple sources saying so.

[–]kencabbit 0 points1 point ago

You're wrong, but I'm too lazy to google relevant quotes for you. Somebody else surely will, and I'm only commenting because they haven't done so yet.

[–]onesidedsquare 1 point2 points ago

Most of the Hitler was an atheist bs is from a book that a priest 'found' after the fall out of ww2.

[–]dadouglas[S] 0 points1 point ago

What book? That's really interesting!

[–]onesidedsquare 2 points3 points ago

I base my assertion on this article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

//it also seems that my memory is a little shaky and a priest my not have been involved

[–]SamReidn 0 points1 point ago