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[–]MistrBones 536 points537 points ago

For the wheelchair bound, it's like Marble Madness, and YOU get to be the marble.

[–]treenaks 59 points60 points ago

Some people pay to get into roller coasters.

Other people complain when they get a free ride ;)

[–]FriffyandScruffy 19 points20 points ago

I'm going to argue that being a wheelchair user, which means having a wheelchair as a means of personal mobility, is different than taking a ride in a transportation vessel or coach. This is long-term personal mobility. If you had to walk on swirling, dipping, and graduated zig-zags as a primary means of conveyance, you might get annoyed by it pretty darn quick. :)

[–]Gordnfreeman 1576 points1577 points ago

looks cool but you better hope you dont roll off the side

[–]TheSemiTallest 696 points697 points ago

This sums up my thoughts on the ramp. Ramp usually have guardrails for a reason...

[–]ooo0ooo 259 points260 points ago

Except they're not always there for you

[–]j8sadm632b 182 points183 points ago

Oh man, are we posting guardrail gifs? Here's my favorite.

[–]yumcax 83 points84 points ago

Ow.

[–]detestrian 64 points65 points ago

He seems surprisingly OK.

[–]TheAristrocrats 305 points306 points ago

He must be okay because he did it again right after.

[–]mausertm 6 points7 points ago

You win yet another internet

[–]Unabasho 3 points4 points ago

  • which is impressive, considering the probable ruptured spleen.

[–]Skitrel 26 points27 points ago

He wasn't. He was severely injured, it's just the fact that he's pissed that he was able to not feel it as much. If I remember rightly this gif was from a nightclub, he went to hospital with severe injuries.

[–]Forrax 10 points11 points ago

You feel surprisingly alright after sustaining an internal injury like that. First you walk around a bit. Then you have to sit down. Then you have to lay down. Then you're pretty sure you're going to die. But those first five or ten minutes? Not so bad.

[–]yumcax 46 points47 points ago

I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. Looks like he broke a few ribs.

[–]RapedByADolphin 20 points21 points ago

Probably Fucked up his shoulders too

[–]Silicosis 53 points54 points ago

And it looks like his credit rating is suffering as well!

[–]indefort 6 points7 points ago

First time I saw this, people promised us that he wasn't.

[–]bipo 4 points5 points ago

Yeah, it's his spleen that's got it bad.

[–]DiegoXIV 26 points27 points ago

This has the potential to become a never ending loop gif

[–]C0mmun1ty 4 points5 points ago

I was really disappointed when I realized it wasn't gonna loop.

[–]randomsnark 23 points24 points ago

I like the two people who were walking down the stairs when he falls, and they just stop, like "...what the fuck, man?"

[–]tavmax 4 points5 points ago

looks like hes getting ready to do it again.

[–]eWaffle 136 points137 points ago

Is that fucking Keith Apicary?

[–]Dykam 50 points51 points ago

[–]peaceinthenight 12 points13 points ago

[–]Phoenixone 2 points3 points ago

That was awesome. Thank you.

[–]Maxpowers01 56 points57 points ago

yes it is

[–]gloon 17 points18 points ago

It's fucking Nathan Barnatt.

[–]BringOnTheUpvotes 74 points75 points ago

Here's the real-life implementation of that model. This is in downtown Denver: http://i.imgur.com/6Xzka.jpg

[–]williamwzl 54 points55 points ago

That looks more like a "You want a wheelchair ramp huh? Here you go, fuck you."

[–]discobobbles 20 points21 points ago

Awesome design. One minor slip and you end up in a wheelchair. Oh wait...

[–]POSTS_GIFS 303 points304 points ago

[–]thebeefytaco 138 points139 points ago

This would be so much better if he then came out of a different staircase.

[–]epic_comebacks 91 points92 points ago

Well, that was unexpected.

[–]MyNameCouldntBeAsLon 146 points147 points ago

When he finally sat down at the end of that gif I was like 'there ya go, old buddy, see? It wasn't that bad'. Partly because it's true, and partly because I don't want to see anymore people dying in gif format. ಠ_ಠ

[–][deleted] 552 points553 points ago

[–]wickedang3l 82 points83 points ago

Flawless victory.

[–]REDDIT_HARD_MODE 65 points66 points ago

Oh god i'm crying i'm laughing so hard

[–]TheBakedPotato 17 points18 points ago

This just makes me kind of sad.

[–]Acronomicon 2 points3 points ago

You've been a Redditor for 12 days? But I've seen you longer than that!

[–]EthicalReasoning 4 points5 points ago

Except they're not always there for you

try again, perhaps you forgot the baywatch song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuYrRebvFHc

Some people stand in darkness Afraid to step into the light. Some people need to help somebody When the edge of surrender is in sight. Don't you worry, it's going to be all right.

'Cause I'm always there, I won't let you out of my sight. I'll be there--never you fear I'll be there--forever and always I'm always here.

'Cause I'm always there, I won't let you out of my sight. I'll be there--never you fear I'll be there--forever and always I'm always here.

[–]hippesthippo 7 points8 points ago*

Recent Arch. grad here:

Here is the code on ramps according to the ADA:

http://www.access-board.gov/adaag/html/adaag.htm#4.8

According to code, the ramp that the OP linked to could not be built today in the United States. This ramp looks like it was built before 1990, when the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) became law.

*Edit: It looks like this project was built in Canada. I am not familiar with Canadian building codes, but I hear the ADA is stricter than the Canadian disabilities code.

[–]kavorka2 172 points173 points ago

What's the worst that can happen, break your neck and become paralyzed?

[–]akacheese 230 points231 points ago

I know someone who broke his back and ended up paralysed from the waist down. Years later he broke his neck in a car crash becoming a tetraplegic. So yeah, that's one of the worst things that could happen.

[–]puremessage 185 points186 points ago

For some reason I have you tagged as "Destroyer of jokes"

[–]kappafox 115 points116 points ago

I can see why.

[–]akacheese 11 points12 points ago

Haha sorry. I just had a story for this one, I don't usually.

[–]Chroncelot 15 points16 points ago

Regardless I think I will still tag you with the same line as puremessage.

[–]katzmandoo 48 points49 points ago

They see me rollin......AHHHHHHHHHH!

[–]akacheese 92 points93 points ago

Guy in a wheelchair here. My thoughts exactly. That's a terrible design. That being said, I would love to go down it fast.

[–]steviesteveo12 62 points63 points ago

That being, I would love to go down it fast.

The bends do seem like prime drifting territory.

[–]Chronos91 8 points9 points ago

Wheelchair drifting? If akacheese can pull that off, he/she will make my all time top 5 list of badasses.

[–]BringOnTheUpvotes 8 points9 points ago

Other guy in a wheelchair here. Here is a real-world implementation of the ramp: http://i.imgur.com/6Xzka.jpg . Downtown Denver. Instead of going up normally, this route takes 6 times as long because of all the switchbacks.

[–]raging_asshole 111 points112 points ago

Yeah, and no matter which steps you take, you are going to be walking across the ramp at some point.

I think appearance trumps functionality in this case.

[–]groove_la_chord 73 points74 points ago

What's the big deal about walking across the ramp? No different than coming to a street when you're on a sidewalk - you come to it, cross, and don't think twice about it.

[–]greg19735 87 points88 points ago

if it's in a busy area it can be a bitch for the person in the wheelchair though. you've got to walk across every bit of stairs and probably in front of people.

[–]Krivvan 26 points27 points ago

Getting in the way of people moving in a different direction?

[–]Squarish 38 points39 points ago

Unless they have a veritable wagon-train of wheelchairs and disabled folk using the ramp, I doubt that is a serious issue. Able bodied people could always walk around them, it is a pretty open area.

[–]gspleen 69 points70 points ago

Handicap bathroom rules apply.

DO I SEE A HANDICAPPED PERSON?

Yes: Use a regular stall.

No: Use the sweet handicapped stall.

[–]BringOnTheUpvotes 20 points21 points ago

As someone in a wheelchair, it sucks when every stall is vacant EXCEPT the only wheelchair accessible stall in the bathroom. As a person who wasn't always in a wheelchair, I used to do exactly this. Now that I know, however, I regret my previous decisions.

[–]gspleen 24 points25 points ago

Okay, time for me to be unpopular, I guess.

If I walk into a bathroom and the stalls are all occupied, I wait a few minutes (usually less than a minute) for one to open up.

If you roll into a bathroom and the handicap stall is occupied, you wait a few minutes (usually less than a minute) for one to open up.

Is equality the goal or should that handicap stall remain vacant 99.5% of the day on the off chance that a handicapped person will use it?

Does this circumstance truly have a significant negative impact on your average day? If so, my apologies.

[–]TooGoood 26 points27 points ago

the problem is that people with spinalcord injuries have no control of their bowls meaning when "its" coming out there is no stopping it or holding it.

where as a normal able bodied person can hold it for a few minutes if needed.

that's why they say handicap stalls should remain empty. i cant tell you the number of times i almost layed a patch in my pants but the stall was empty and i could get on quick and it saved the day.

[–]MetastaticCarcinoma 9 points10 points ago

it's only sweet because the stall is huge. I hate the toilet height. Far too high. I like a low-mount toilet.

[–]lessthan3d 2 points3 points ago

They could walk around them, but would they? Most likely everyone would just be getting in each others' way.

[–]Squarish 2 points3 points ago

Well then I guess your going to have some asshole that walks into a wheelchair or handicapped person. They could also run headlong into a wall if they choose, should we re-design everything to avoid that concept?

[–]waterlight 2 points3 points ago*

To me the big deal is stepping on that particular ramp. The ramp is inclined, the steps are not.

So you're going down the steps and suddenly one of your feet doesn't go as low as expected (because there's no more steps) and not only that it bends to one side a bit... then your other foot goes lower than the first one possibly ending on a step, so you got one foot inclined and the other not, or also on the ramp and both your feet are inclined...

I can imagine quite a few people falling down. Particularly someone who is almost recovered, bot not quite, from an injury such as a sprained heel or something of the sort.

[–]Fire_Godd 13 points14 points ago

the painful ankle rolling experience you'll get when stepping from a flat surface, throwing all of your weight onto a new, angled one?

[–]Noteamini 15 points16 points ago

it's also a trip hazard cause the stairs aren't uniform height

[–]mudflap239 3 points4 points ago

agreed, there's a staircase like this in downtown los angeles entering into a food court - it's awful to walk down because every section has a part in which the stairs actually are higher than the step before. so as you're walking down, you actually step up a few times - seem people bite it.

[–]feeblemuffin 15 points16 points ago

the stairs are slightly elevated around the ramp area, like a small barrier. i'm guessing it'd be quite difficult to accidentally roll over an edge.

[–]SonicFlash01 16 points17 points ago

I'm guessing that wheelchair people are pretty careful.
...or not careful at all; hence the wheelchair.
This would draw the line between the two!

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points ago

I wonder how a blind person with a cane would navigate those stairs.

[–]YellowOrange 13 points14 points ago

I was thinking the same thing. If you aren't able to glance down and make sure you are in rhythm with the steps, you are going to have to go slowly and feel each step with your foot or trip and fall flat on your face. Going down would be even worse than going up I'd say.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

My mother used to be in that situation and she said things like curved & angled sidewalks were a problem, especially unusual angles on ramps at street intersections, which could guide a blind person into traffic. I imagine those angles would be a big problem as well. Serious falling risk.

[–]haiku_robot 24 points25 points ago

I wonder how a 
blind person with a cane would 
navigate those stairs.

[–]Forlarren 3 points4 points ago

Probably by using the hand rail on the either side that goes from the bottom all the way to the top uninterrupted, using their stick to feel their way in front of them. Just like they get around everywhere else.

[–]munge_me_not 476 points477 points ago

wheel chair accident ramp.

[–]kcell 335 points336 points ago

Considering that ramps are also used by the elderly, people with Cerebral Palsy and other conditions that make it difficult to walk upstairs, putting a rail-less, winding ramp in the middle of staircase is a pretty big "fuck you, fuckers" to the disabled.

[–]wpiman 279 points280 points ago

It is the architect's attempt to kill the skateboarders who ruined his last project.

[–]rockymtnpunk 203 points204 points ago

I'd skate the shit outta this.

[–]7a50n 40 points41 points ago

I was thinking same.

[–]LlammaPandaCat 30 points31 points ago

Yep, looks like it was made to be skated.

[–]trimbach 18 points19 points ago

or rollerskated, or biked, or for strollers.

You know I'm starting to think it never was intended as an accessibility feature.

[–]demiurge94 5 points6 points ago

Yeah the first thing i thought when I saw this was " How can I skate this spot"

[–]lmgur 9 points10 points ago

And he will hope you die while doing so.

[–]Sonorama21 9 points10 points ago

I saw it more as the architect's attempt to cause people who are running to stub all of their toes at once on those protruding ends of the steps.

Imagine how that would feel.

[–]Darrian 4 points5 points ago

I'd say it's a pretty big "fuck you" to anybody. Those just don't seem like efficient stairs/ramp in any way at all. I mean, I guess they look cool, but maybe I'm not the "creative" type, I just don't really care if stairs look cool. I just want them to efficiently get people from here to there.

[–]YourFortuneCookie 28 points29 points ago

Many a false step is made by standing still.

Your lucky numbers: 5 18 60 87 88

[–]post_skriptum 35 points36 points ago

at aachen, germany there's one as well: http://nullbarriere.de/images/wissenswert/aussenanlagen/freitreppe-aachen-fg.jpg a bit ironic though since it's been built for an insurance company and people stumble down quiet often - espescially when drunk

[–]lejar 13 points14 points ago

Aachen is just full of great things. This, the stinky water, a cathedral, and that crazy old guy with the trenchcoat and suitcases that asks for 50 cents for him and his mother. (who can't possibly be alive)

[–]Fancey514 131 points132 points ago

That's right, make them work for it.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points ago*

stupid fat lazy disabled people.... ACT LIKE YOUR BASKETBALL PLAYING ROLE MODELS

[–]kohan69 71 points72 points ago*

Interesting... in this instance both YOUR and YOU'RE make perfect logical and grammatical sense. Impressive.

[–]wyrosbp90 23 points24 points ago

this may be, but basketball is spelt wrong

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

one does not simply rage and spell

[–]peacefrog314 35 points36 points ago

similar "stramp" in the student center at IIT http://i.imgur.com/6nHRJ.jpg

[–]FailsTheTuringTest 36 points37 points ago

As an IIT alumnus, I can confirm this. I can also confirm that these are really annoying to climb or descend; you basically have to hug an edge or you get weird partial steps that screw up your stride. I don't think they're particularly awesome for people who actually need ramps, either (no handrail, etc.).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

Is it me, or is the floor some sort of slick surface? That's an accident waiting to happen.

[–]lordofthederps 2 points3 points ago

Wow, that is appalling…

Were there any alternate routes to take?

[–]FailsTheTuringTest 2 points3 points ago

Well, like splorkchop said, the stramp thing really only goes down to some little restaurant thing which acts as an alternative to the main cafeteria. There's a second, regular set of stairs on the other (north) side of that restaurant, but that's in an awkward spot unless you live in MSV (one of the dorm complexes) and are coming from that direction.

But hey, the building is pretty, at least.

[–]felixjawesome 4 points5 points ago

Pretty? It looks like a giant uncircumcised penis crushing a shoebox full of children.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points ago

i bet skaters like it too

[–]iusedtogotodigg 34 points35 points ago

sk8r bois, cya l8r bois

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[–]yveedrips 20 points21 points ago

Woohoo fellow Vancouverite!

[–]inferior_troll 2 points3 points ago

What are the odds right?

[–]dhmachine86 2 points3 points ago

There's a whole internet out there, someone else lives where I live! Whoa!
Edit: autocorrect

[–]dafones 30 points31 points ago

I've always loved the concept behind the overall Robson complex:

Arthur came in and said 'This won't be a corporate monument. Let's turn it on its side and let people walk all over it.' And he anchored it in such a way with the courts — the law — at one end and the museum — the arts — at the other. The foundations of society. And underneath it all, the government offices quietly supporting their people. It's almost a spiritual progression.

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[–]the5nowman 3 points4 points ago

He designed our office down here in DC. It's gorgeous :)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

Form fucks function every day of the week if you had to choose.

I work in a very, very practical corporate building...it steals my soul every morning. Why do you think Facebook, Google, Apple, etc. all invest heavily in architectural design of the office.

[–]nonamer18 7 points8 points ago

Yup, both our UBC bookstores have these.

[–]BusHeckler 6 points7 points ago

This looks very similar to a set of steps we have in Manchester, UK.

[–]thecosmicpope 3 points4 points ago

And Dundee, UK. There was a step/ramp set like this outside the Wellgate shopping centre when I was a kid (20 years ago). It's gone now. But this is hardly an original idea.

[–]pornsophisticate 5 points6 points ago

I actually think this was designed by landscape architect Cornelia Oberlander, though it's likely she worked with Arthur C Erickson. My understanding of architectural design is that it usually goes under the firm's name, even if it's another designer within that firm. (I'm not an architect, but tangentially related to the design/construction industry).

http://www.corneliaoberlander.ca/

[–]AlexanderShkuratoff 10 points11 points ago

Whoa, POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS, are you from Vancouver, or do you just know everything?

[–]Slight316 7 points8 points ago

I feel special for possibly living in the same city as POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I can't believe POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS is from Vancouver as well. I am also having a harder time imagine someone on the street might have a potato in his anus when I walked passed by.

[–]Jayross 2 points3 points ago

Arthur Erickson designed my Grandma's house. It's a pretty nice place.

[–]esaba 12 points13 points ago

I thought it looked familiar. Here are very similar steps at UCI.

On a side note, the UCI Science Library (to the right) was designed to be a facsimile of the female reproductive system. The "sun" mosaic just in front is a sperm head with tail.

[–]gspleen 5 points6 points ago

I think they got the scale horribly, horribly wrong.

[–]UntimelyGrammarNazi 2 points3 points ago

There's also this weird progression of single cell, double cell, sapling, tree going on.

[–]deviantbono 25 points26 points ago

Been visiting r/Architecture I see...

[–]bombos 5 points6 points ago

Link to the thread that discusses this in that subreddit.

[–]Drunken_Economist 165 points166 points ago

Doesn't look ADA-compliant to me.

[–]architype 43 points44 points ago

Eh, don't worry. ADA is the Americans with Disability Act. This ramp/stair is in Canada.

[–]claimed4all 70 points71 points ago*

Missing a "Grab Rail" and looks to be steeper than 1" of rise for every 12" run.

[–]Maschinenbau 57 points58 points ago*

In the US it's 1" rise for 12".

edit: But I agree, it needs grab rails with bottom rails as well. And the landings might be too far apart. Also, no diagonal slopes are allowed. Source: built a ramp for a volunteer project.

[–]claimed4all 8 points9 points ago

Not sure what I was thinking with the 24". I know its 12", corrected my comment.

[–]ckb614 49 points50 points ago

this becomes a confusing little thread now that you've edited your top post

[–]anexanhume 20 points21 points ago

Yeah, the American Dental Association knows their ramps.

[–]dmoreholt 6 points7 points ago

Architect here, but no ADA expert, so I'd like to hear input from others. I agree that it's probably not ADA compliant, because of the steepness and lack of grab rails. I might be wrong here, but I thought you didn't need grab rails if the ramp was wide enough (though this ramp clearly isn't). Can anyone confirm this?

[–]llort_gnik 11 points12 points ago

This is an exterior condition, it looks like it's on a campus or somewhere similar. Not every ramp/stair has to be accessible in an outdoor area, there just has to be one accessible route to every area that is able to be occupied. So while one could take this ramp in a wheelchair, there is probably another ADA compliant way to get up/down to/from these two levels. There's probably an adjacent building with an elevator and entrances at both levels.

[–]architype 4 points5 points ago

If I recall, if the slope is 1:20 then it's not technically a ramp. Anything between 1:20 and 1:12 slope would technically be a ramp which would trigger the requirement of handrails for equal accommodation for those who need access to ramps but do not utilize wheelchairs (i.e. mobility impaired).

[–]Bitter_Idealist 2 points3 points ago

It's not at all and as an able-bodied person, I can see myself tripping all over that thing.

[–]Zigguraticus 11 points12 points ago

If you like that then you should like Pioneer Courthouse Square in Portland, OR even more.

[–]anvious 8 points9 points ago

Robson Square, Vancouver, Canada by Arthur Erickson for those that are wondering. A wonderful three block public square anchored by art museum, law courts, and government offices underneath.

[–]hgeyer99 5 points6 points ago

lots of rolled ankles here

[–]bassfunk 4 points5 points ago

My college has a stair case ramp combo like this in the cafeteria, usually referred to as a "stramp." It is hands down one of the most inconvenient things to walk up and down on a daily basis, regardless of the number of people around or people using the ramp portion. Ours is not very good looking either.

[–]jdmulloy 23 points24 points ago

This is a fantastic example of the problem with most modern Architecture. Architects drool over stuff like this because it's aesthetically pleasing and "out of the box", but it's actually completely impractical and in this case dangerous.

[–]crimsonninja 66 points67 points ago

Great, now the person in the wheelchair has a chance to get in EVERYONE'S way

[–]skeptic11 52 points53 points ago

Imagine if you were the person in the wheelchair, EVERYONE gets in your way.

[–]delbin 4 points5 points ago

A fairly interesting idea, but he probably should have left some uninterrupted stairs with a handrail on either side. I imagine lots of people tripping on that.

[–]waffleninja 4 points5 points ago

It's incredibly dangerous. That's why you don't see more of it.

[–]JBu92 40 points41 points ago

  1. no handrails on the ramp
  2. uneven stair surfaces (step on a corner of one of the stairs, I dare ya)
  3. ergo, wouldn't meet code. interesting design, but it's just not up to spec.

[–]jbomb1080 13 points14 points ago

There's also places where you have to step up while going down the stairs. However it is a very cool looking recipe for disaster.

[–]gakpad 2 points3 points ago

I can see the thought put into it, but it seems like a huge pain in the ass for those in wheelchairs, more than tripling the distance they have to travel up and causing them to make some really awkward stops and turns. Meh, I wouldn't put this in my building.

[–]turnleftdale 4 points5 points ago

Looks like a great set of stairs to trip down.

[–]ThePhenix 1 point2 points ago

Not really suited for either I'd say. Awkward foot strides, and no guardrails.

[–]gyomalin 2 points3 points ago

In practical terms, I've been to a university where they have stairs like that and they're pretty dangerous to unsuspecting people.

It's easy to be distracted and assume that the steps are nothing special. You're thinking about some math problem that you're working on (hey, it's university !) and then you trip on the stupid irregular stairs.

[–]HatesTheAwwlocaust 5 points6 points ago

You would need some serious upper body strength to get up that slope. But it is definitely a neat design.

[–]splice42 44 points45 points ago

Nothing like forcing wheelchair users into a path that's basically perpendicular to what everyone else is using. I'm sure that won't cause any problems at all!

Without sarcasm: that is a horrible boneheaded design. Looks funky, but reduces usability of the whole installation and introduces stupid risks for no good reason.

[–]JimmyJamesincorp 12 points13 points ago

As an architect and wheelchair user with strong arms, I see nothing wrong with it, except I'm not really sure if it's the legal angle. Looks a bit steep.

What problems are you finding in it? I think it's cool as fuck.

[–]greg19735 8 points9 points ago

as you know though everyone in a wheelchair is different. My girlfriend has a disability which effects her coordination and strength. She's fine on a straight area but if a ramp is too steep she literally can't use it.

[–]AFFECT_EFFECT 7 points8 points ago

My girlfriend has a disability which effects affects her coordination and strength.

[–]lordofthederps 5 points6 points ago

As has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, there are people who need handrails while navigating ramps.

[–]OdinBerry 3 points4 points ago

I think it's a cool design, but there is one of these outside one of my uni buildings and it can be difficult to walk down and more arduous for wheelchair users. It was so badly received they immediately started gutting it and putting a ramp to the side of the stairs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

This would suck if your wasted. Definetly a purposely-built mindfuck for drunk people.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

Lots of crossing paths for no reason. It looks cool but not at all functional.

[–]M1n1true 2 points3 points ago

These stairs look like the wheelchair equivalent of a cliffside winding road. Sure it looks cool for action movies and non-Historic History Channel shows, but pity the brave soul who decides to make almost 180 degree turns while people are walking down perpendicular to him/her.

TL;DL: Action movie in the making.

[–]nomoex 2 points3 points ago

Civil engineer here, I'm sure that's a pretty bad idea.

[–]SikhGamer 2 points3 points ago

It looks nice, but in reality that would be awful for walkers and non-walkers. Can you imagine it on a busy day? The non-walker would interrupt the flow of the walkers causing a backlog. Then no doubt they [the non-walker(s)] would get tired rolling themselves up. So they would roll back down. Not to mention no guard rails or anything like that.

And considering it's Canada, what about when it gets snowy/icy? HEALTH AND SAFETY DISASTER!

[–]SKSmokes 2 points3 points ago

It looks cool, but the engineer in me screams impracticability:
1) Railings are very important. 2) Interaction between the wheelchairs and people walking could get messy 3) It is easier for wheelchairs to get 'stuck' on each of the steps it angles across going down (i.e. there are no base 'safety walls' to prevent the wheelchair from going awry.

[–]dudleydidwrong 2 points3 points ago

Stairs are inherently dangerous. If they had been invented after OSHA they never would have been allowed.

In truth the need for flights of stairs like the one shown above reflect poor architecture in my opinion. Buildings that minimize the need for stairs generally benefit everyone, not just people in wheel chairs.

[–]BobCollins 2 points3 points ago

The right-brain artist needed a left-brain consultant. This design is pretty but has very poor functionality for both walkers and wheelchair users.

[–]lionelchu 2 points3 points ago

You could do so many cool skateboard tricks with that.

[–]beyerch 2 points3 points ago

I actually hate that design because of how inefficient it is.

Not only does the handicapped person have a very long route to take, the ramp interrupts the flow of people using the stairs frequently.....

What a mess.

[–]Airazz 3 points4 points ago

My uni has similar stairs, but with fewer steps.

[–]Failscout 2 points3 points ago

Was looking to see if anyone from Cov Uni had posted this. ... I'm a little too excited to see an area I frequent almost daily.

[–]sweetdaddy 5 points6 points ago

robson square! so happy to see Vancouver make it to the front page!

[–]Lloydbanksdeekay 5 points6 points ago

People in wheelchairs are so lazy.. Use the damn stairs like the rest of us

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

Some EA Skate shit right here.

[–]68173464234831863456 15 points16 points ago

i really admire the design of these stairs and how they incorporate a wheelchair access ramp. in a world were barrier free design is essential to living a full and happy life, its amazing to see landscape architect Cornelia Oberlander has taken literal steps to design stairs AROUND a ramp, instead of the other way around.

RE: in response to amount of discussion ive been getting with this photo, id like to put my opinion in the mix, as some people have been getting quiet upset about this.

for those of you who arent studying architecture, the inclusion of barrier free design in modern architecture and civil projects has been a very positive addition. with a large portion of north america’s population entering their elderly age, the need for barrier free entrances, exits, pathways and vertical elevation devices is a must, and it makes sense.

there are a few people who have negatively commented that perhaps the ramp is a a little too steep, that including the ramp in the middle of the stairs is degrading to a person with a disability and that these citizens are “getting in the way” of able-bodied people, who are walking up the stairs. i am very glad this design has brought up these issues, and it only continues to prove that there are still kinks to work out in barrier free design.

my take: after analyzing the picture, i have discovered 2 things:

  1. as i live in Ontario, Canada, i will reference the Ontario Building Code: “barrier free ramps” are allowed a maximum slope of 1:12 (4.7 degree slope). my best guess from the stairs in this picture, there is a 1:2 (26.5 degree slope). that being said, this stair design is in Vancouver, British Columbia and doesnt follow the Ontario Building Code. fortunately, BC does have a similar building code, and the 26 degree slope makes this a non-barrier free ramp. on the other hand though, there was no mention of this ramp even being built to barrier free standards, BUT persons with wheelchair-required disables could still find this ramp useful if used with an able-bodied care taker.

  2. my response to the idea that the ramp degrades disabled persons since they are crossing the path of able-bodied, and have a longer route, is the exact OPPOSITE. please think to yourself the last time you noticed a barrier free ramp that was one of the main entrance ways, and not off to the side, away from the main set of stairs. the idea of this design was to incorporate the ramp into the stairs, thereby giving respect to the disabled persons, and combining both entrances into a single, equal entrance. i strongly believe this is a fantastic way of viewing society as one group of people with different needs, rather than separate groups with different abilities.

thanks for your time guys, i appreciate the feedback. let me know what your take on it is :)

[–]YourCreepyUncle 22 points23 points ago

I am disabled. I have trouble even walking on a 1:12 ramp without rails. This entrance is literally unusable for me, as I'm sure it would be for others with similar disabilities.

When someone ends up in the hospital over this idiotic ramp, I'm not so sure that they're going to be pleased about the fact that they didn't have to suffer the indignity of using globally recognized safety device that would have kept them out of the hospital.

[–]mytake 9 points10 points ago

Integrating accessibility with good design is a wonderful idea. These stairs don't do that, because they're not safe for people using wheelchairs. I hope architects and landscape designers keep trying.

[–]lordofthederps 13 points14 points ago

I'm not an architect, but I can appreciate the concept behind this design as you've described. However, I feel that it should have stayed as just that: a concept. It seems to have been designed to be more "thought-provoking" than usable.

Personally, I find beauty in usability, so this stairway-ramp hybrid is actually rather ugly to me.

[–]Taibo 27 points28 points ago

I'm guessing the disabled would prefer an actual safely usable ramp with guardrails, instead of a ramp that gives them 'respect'.

[–]mycleverusername 8 points9 points ago

Yes, as ramps are not necessarily for people with wheelchairs. They are also for people who walk, but with low mobility to get up the stairs. That's why there are handrails, for grabbing on to, not necessarily for keeping you from rolling away.

[–]mkdz 9 points10 points ago

What exactly is barrier free compared with non-barrier free? Why is barrier free design opposed to barrier design essential to living a full and happy life? What if I can't use the stars so I have to use the ramp but I require something to hold on to?

[–]mavriksfan11 3 points4 points ago

Who gives a flying fuck about respect when you're falling down the side of these steps? The disabled I'm sure aren't too pleased with this design.

[–]PocketOSunshine 1 point2 points ago

Love the design, my arthritic knees give two knee caps up!

[–]TheAztec 1 point2 points ago

Things like this want me to dust off my old heelies, squeeze into them and go for a joy ride.

[–]Levy_Wilson 1 point2 points ago

Looks more for bikes to get up the stairs than anything else.

[–]leonprimrose 1 point2 points ago

god help you if you screw up the turn

[–]zHellas 1 point2 points ago

You'd think the connecting turns to each slope would be curved and not blocky, so that a line of wheelchair users wouldn't have to stop, turn and then go down to the next turn and do the same thing.

[–]thewesticle 1 point2 points ago

This is one of those magical moments in life when all that comes to mind are skateboard tricks.

[–]spicyboldbbq 1 point2 points ago

I can imagine being drunk as hell walking home from the bar and being presented with this challenge.

[–]Fire_Godd 1 point2 points ago

We shall call it... Drunk Man's Folly.

[–]Breze 1 point2 points ago

Thats across from the Vancouver Art gallery, i longed boarded down that!

[–]Thisisopposite 1 point2 points ago

Looks nice but walking down them would be awkward.

[–]AmazingSimply 1 point2 points ago

Think of how inconvenient this would be for someone in a wheelchair, a zig-zag path through the middle of stairs everyone is walking up/down. The conventional path of a straight line is optimal since it's the shortest distance from point A to point B without awkward corners. I mean if you were to be in a wheelchair and had to make a turn on a point like in this photo while risking rolling off the stairs if you go backwards or to far to the side. It looks cool, but what an awful design for it's intended purpose.

[–]fflexz 1 point2 points ago

looks cool until the guy in the wheelchair cuts you off over and over again. and what are you going to do about it? he's in a wheelchair.

[–]Dyltra 1 point2 points ago

If I was new to the wheelchair, I would never make it to the top. I would end up in a full body cast.

[–]RXkings 1 point2 points ago

I want to skate it.

[–]Dristig 1 point2 points ago

The ADA doesn't let us have nice things.

[–]Here_for_the_cookies 1 point2 points ago

Ever walked up one? Annoying as hell, they are super flat