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[–]tothemooninaballoon 28 points29 points ago

Since christians don't believe dogs have souls and won't get into heaven, who can blame him?

[–]ungolden_glitter 12 points13 points ago

You mean All Dogs Go to Heaven lied to me?! ;-;

[–]tothemooninaballoon 18 points19 points ago

Satan made that movie.

[–]SockofBadKarma 12 points13 points ago

Naw, man. Just a lot of big-lipped alligators.

[–]circleandsquare 0 points1 point ago

A BIG LIPPED ALLIGATOR MOMENT!!

It's (one of) the only Nostalgia Critic's forced joke(s) that's actually funny!

[–]roterghost 4 points5 points ago

"I don't have to listen to you! You're a dog! You don't have a soul!"

...Ouch.

[–]fishingoneuropa 0 points1 point ago

Boring place, dogs rock!

[–]tesformes 17 points18 points ago

In Brian's defense, Jesus did say that all religions were total crap, anyway.

[–]EatRibs_Listen2Phish 6 points7 points ago

"Six of one, they're all complete crap." - Jesus

[–]pleasingbaritone 6 points7 points ago

"Thank you!"

[–]EatRibs_Listen2Phish 1 point2 points ago

You sir, just got an up vote for proper referential technique on reddit.

[–]nakedapedude 8 points9 points ago

Wow, not a single comment about the word "epitomal".

[–]Charging_in 2 points3 points ago

Or STIILL

[–]dobrpit35[S] 1 point2 points ago

7 hours after posting this and I just noticed the spelling error. Oops. Oh well.

[–]PritongKandule 0 points1 point ago

I thought that was for emphasis.

[–]wooq 0 points1 point ago

Epitomic.

[–]brewmasterezaie 13 points14 points ago

No matter how much Christians would like to pretend otherwise, "fundie atheist" is a nonsensical contradiction.

[–]dobrpit35[S] 18 points19 points ago

Of course it is. It's part of the joke.

[–]Admiralzzyx 1 point2 points ago

What would be a better word for like a really strong atheist who acts like a fundamentalist?

[–]brewmasterezaie 2 points3 points ago

The hallmark of fundamentalism is a constant need to reject reality in order to maintain belief. No aspect of reality needs to be rejected in order to not be superstitious.

Atheism and fundamentalism are so different that any comparison is meaningless.

[–]squigs 8 points9 points ago

Well, I've known atheists who even if there's an argument for the existence of god (and there are many), will reject it out of hand without even considering where the logical flaws are.

In this case Brian does reject reality. In the Family Guy reality, The Son of God exists, therefore, God exists. Brian rejects this reality.

But Fundamentalism isn't about rejecting reality. It's all about strict adherence to the creed. Some atheists seem to have developed their own creed that says religion is inherently evil, and will not accept there could be exceptions.

[–]brewmasterezaie 2 points3 points ago

Arguments for god's existence can dismissed because they are supporting a baseless, unfalsifiable claim that contradicts observed reality. It is no different than rejecting arguments for the existence of nature's harmonic simultaneous 4-day time cube. Picking them apart to expose logical fallacies is a way to kill time if you're bored.

Fundamentalism does involve strict adherence to a creed, but accepting the religious fundamentalist's creed demands rejection of reality. There is no analogous creed for atheists. Atheism has nothing to do with the notion that religion is inherently evil. It is simply a lack of belief in gods.

[–]iamplasma 0 points1 point ago

You say fundamentalism is defined by adhering to your creed to the rejection of reality? How is adhering to atheism in the face of the reality of meeting Jesus not doing that?

[–]Notagtipsy 0 points1 point ago

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I feel like the sentence "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" is Shakespearean next to the centered 30-point blather that is that website.

[–]brewmasterezaie 0 points1 point ago

The main difference between Time Cube and a mainstream religion is the number of followers.

[–]squigs -1 points0 points ago

The Time cube makes no argument (at least nothing coherent) in the first place, so I'll readily dismiss this.

But arguments for god are based on some sort of evidence.

How about the argument that the earth is the perfect distance from the sun for life to exist. 10 feet closer or further away and we'd all die. Therefore it must have been deliberately put there. With evidence - the fact that the earth's distance varies quite substantially and there are buildings taller than 10 feet on the equator - we can dismiss this easily. Without evidence?

Then there's the observation that we're complex creations and complex creations usually have a creator. It's a valid argument but you actually need to argue against the initial argument

Atheism has nothing to do with the notion that religion is inherently evil. It is simply a lack of belief in gods.

Not all atheists define themselves by their lack of belief. I certainly don't. Some atheists have an explicit belief, some pretty strong dogma, and an unshakable devotion to their dogma. They're fundamentalist, and they're atheists.

[–]brewmasterezaie 0 points1 point ago

Ridiculous arguments are dismissed because their claims are not grounded in reality. Consider a bit of roadkill. It's immediately obvious that the animal is dead... most people don't waste their time determining the make and model of vehicle that killed it.

there's the observation that we're complex creations and complex creations usually have a creator. It's a valid argument but you actually need to argue against the initial argument

No, it's not a valid argument. It's made by people who have no understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics. As you've shown, "arguments" for god are based on ignorance, not evidence. To espouse them, you have to misunderstand or distort reality.

Not all atheists define themselves by their lack of belief. The thing that makes a person an atheist is a lack of belief in deities. Anything else is a personal belief unrelated to atheism.

[–]jimcrator 1 point2 points ago

It's made by people who have no understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics.

So you're saying that Isaac Newton and Johannes Kepler had no understanding of physics when they presented their versions of the teleological argument? What a stupid thing to say.

It seems you are the one grounded in ignorance and rejecting reality here.

[–]brewmasterezaie 1 point2 points ago

Biology and chemistry didn't exist as a proper disciplines in Newton's or Kepler's time. The physics governing molecular systems did not exist at all.

They were brilliant individuals, but they were ignorant. And they made an argument for god's existence from ignorance.

[–]jimcrator -1 points0 points ago

Newton and Kepler's teleological argument were based on astronomy and doesn't have anything to do with "molecular systems."

It was their understanding of how the solar system and planetary orbits worked that led to the foundation of their argument, not their ignorance of it.

Again, it really doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.

[–]squigs -1 points0 points ago

It's made by people who have no understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics

You can't use those in your argument. That would be using evidence to dismiss them. I'm talking about dismissing without evidence. I'm talking about the difference between "That argument is wrong because there's no god" and "that argument is wrong because it violates known scientific principles". The first response is invalid. The second is quite reasonable.

Before we had any ability to measure the age of the earth, any concept of evolution, or concept of chemistry, should people still have dismissed the existence of god? Based on the evidence available it was the best hypothesis. It just happened to be wrong.

[–]brewmasterezaie 0 points1 point ago

What is proposed without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

[–]squigs 0 points1 point ago

Quite. But if you provide evidence with the proposal, you need to provide some counter evidence. The evidence presented might not be very good, but it's still evidence.

[–]Admiralzzyx 0 points1 point ago

So you're basically saying that atheism can't be fundamentalism because atheism is true and how can you be a fundamentalist of something that's true.

Gotcha...

[–]ReyTheRed 1 point2 points ago

Is Jesus a god? I don't know enough family guy to tell if Jesus is sufficiently powerful relative to the other impossible elements to be considered a god. And has Brian seen him perform miracles?

Even if Jesus walks through your door, the burden of proving he is a deity is still quite large.

[–]rasputine 2 points3 points ago

Have you not seen his incredible miracles!?!

[–]rockidol 1 point2 points ago

Yes Brian has seen Jesus perform miracles, specifically turning their food into ice cream and magically making Louis' err bust bigger.

[–]ReyTheRed 0 points1 point ago

But are those miracles significantly beyond what other characters do? Brian himself had super powers at one point, as did the entire family. Peter gets into shenanigans that would kill a normal person all the time, so his survival could be considered miraculous. It isn't a question of whether Jesus has powers, but whether his powers are significantly greater to the point that believing he is a god is justified.

[–]rockidol 0 points1 point ago

He walks on water, Brian didn't see it but he is the real Jesus.

[–]ReyTheRed 0 points1 point ago

Walking on water doesn't make you a god. Especially when you compare it to Lois having super strength, or Brian's super speed.

In a universe where supernatural events are commonplace, supernatural powers are not sufficient to make someone a god.

[–]ResidentSmartass 1 point2 points ago

Stewie catches Brian praying in the episode "April in Quahog."

[–]Pollo_Bueno 1 point2 points ago

Brian only thinks the way he does to think differently from other people.

He's a liberal, because the Griffin's are conservative.

[–]VLDT 1 point2 points ago

They're both fictional, all bets are off.

[–]NZDarkFalcon 3 points4 points ago

You forget the part where stewie and brian created the universe noob.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

You can be an Atheist and still believe Jesus was an actual historical figure...

[–]athmi100 0 points1 point ago

I've see this post multiple times on Reddit. I still find it hilarious

[–]_Synth_ 0 points1 point ago

[–]matioman 0 points1 point ago

Good for Brian, sticking to his guns.

[–]Tithonos 0 points1 point ago

Brian's a douche.

[–]mklod 0 points1 point ago

downvote for using 'fundie' and 'athiest' in the same phrase

downvote for making up words

[–]dobrpit35[S] -1 points0 points ago

Downvote for being a douche and not seeing a joke for what it is.

[–]complex_reduction -5 points-4 points ago

Please do not use the term "fundie" in regard to atheism.

[–]AnticScarab3 7 points8 points ago

It's all in good fun. Remember, he's using it to describe an animated talking dog that walks on two legs. I don't think anyone takes this character seriously.

[–]Ragnalypse -1 points0 points ago

If you go on r/atheism and don't expect a lot of LGBT/pissed off posts, you're gonna have a bad time.

[–]squigs -1 points0 points ago

If you're totally inflexible in a belief there's no god, you're just as bad as if you're totally inflexible in a belief there is a god. You may be right, but that's just chance.

Primarily it's an aspersion rather than a literal description.

[–]CrudOMatic -1 points0 points ago

Miracle Man != God's son

[–]david76 -1 points0 points ago

I don't see how this makes him a fundie. He just doesn't think Jesus is the Christ or the son of god.

[–]neo_stythys -2 points-1 points ago

downvoting for two things:

the term 'fundie athiest', and the spelling error 'stiill'.