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The epitomal fundie atheist: Brian Griffin (imgur.com)
submitted 5 months ago by dobrpit35
[–]tothemooninaballoon 28 points29 points30 points 5 months ago
Since christians don't believe dogs have souls and won't get into heaven, who can blame him?
[–]ungolden_glitter 12 points13 points14 points 5 months ago
You mean All Dogs Go to Heaven lied to me?! ;-;
[–]tothemooninaballoon 18 points19 points20 points 5 months ago
Satan made that movie.
[–]SockofBadKarma 12 points13 points14 points 5 months ago
Naw, man. Just a lot of big-lipped alligators.
[–]circleandsquare 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
A BIG LIPPED ALLIGATOR MOMENT!!
It's (one of) the only Nostalgia Critic's forced joke(s) that's actually funny!
[–]roterghost 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
"I don't have to listen to you! You're a dog! You don't have a soul!"
...Ouch.
[–]fishingoneuropa 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Boring place, dogs rock!
[–]tesformes 17 points18 points19 points 5 months ago
In Brian's defense, Jesus did say that all religions were total crap, anyway.
[–]EatRibs_Listen2Phish 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
"Six of one, they're all complete crap." - Jesus
[–]pleasingbaritone 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
"Thank you!"
[–]EatRibs_Listen2Phish 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
You sir, just got an up vote for proper referential technique on reddit.
[–]nakedapedude 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
Wow, not a single comment about the word "epitomal".
[–]Charging_in 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Or STIILL
[–]dobrpit35[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
7 hours after posting this and I just noticed the spelling error. Oops. Oh well.
[–]PritongKandule 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I thought that was for emphasis.
[–]wooq 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Epitomic.
[–]brewmasterezaie 13 points14 points15 points 5 months ago
No matter how much Christians would like to pretend otherwise, "fundie atheist" is a nonsensical contradiction.
[–]dobrpit35[S] 18 points19 points20 points 5 months ago
Of course it is. It's part of the joke.
[–]Admiralzzyx 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
What would be a better word for like a really strong atheist who acts like a fundamentalist?
[–]brewmasterezaie 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
The hallmark of fundamentalism is a constant need to reject reality in order to maintain belief. No aspect of reality needs to be rejected in order to not be superstitious.
Atheism and fundamentalism are so different that any comparison is meaningless.
[–]squigs 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
Well, I've known atheists who even if there's an argument for the existence of god (and there are many), will reject it out of hand without even considering where the logical flaws are.
In this case Brian does reject reality. In the Family Guy reality, The Son of God exists, therefore, God exists. Brian rejects this reality.
But Fundamentalism isn't about rejecting reality. It's all about strict adherence to the creed. Some atheists seem to have developed their own creed that says religion is inherently evil, and will not accept there could be exceptions.
Arguments for god's existence can dismissed because they are supporting a baseless, unfalsifiable claim that contradicts observed reality. It is no different than rejecting arguments for the existence of nature's harmonic simultaneous 4-day time cube. Picking them apart to expose logical fallacies is a way to kill time if you're bored.
Fundamentalism does involve strict adherence to a creed, but accepting the religious fundamentalist's creed demands rejection of reality. There is no analogous creed for atheists. Atheism has nothing to do with the notion that religion is inherently evil. It is simply a lack of belief in gods.
[–]iamplasma 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
You say fundamentalism is defined by adhering to your creed to the rejection of reality? How is adhering to atheism in the face of the reality of meeting Jesus not doing that?
[–]Notagtipsy 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
nature's harmonic simultaneous 4-day time cube
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What is this? I don't even...
I feel like the sentence "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" is Shakespearean next to the centered 30-point blather that is that website.
[–]brewmasterezaie 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
The main difference between Time Cube and a mainstream religion is the number of followers.
[–]squigs -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
The Time cube makes no argument (at least nothing coherent) in the first place, so I'll readily dismiss this.
But arguments for god are based on some sort of evidence.
How about the argument that the earth is the perfect distance from the sun for life to exist. 10 feet closer or further away and we'd all die. Therefore it must have been deliberately put there. With evidence - the fact that the earth's distance varies quite substantially and there are buildings taller than 10 feet on the equator - we can dismiss this easily. Without evidence?
Then there's the observation that we're complex creations and complex creations usually have a creator. It's a valid argument but you actually need to argue against the initial argument
Atheism has nothing to do with the notion that religion is inherently evil. It is simply a lack of belief in gods.
Not all atheists define themselves by their lack of belief. I certainly don't. Some atheists have an explicit belief, some pretty strong dogma, and an unshakable devotion to their dogma. They're fundamentalist, and they're atheists.
Ridiculous arguments are dismissed because their claims are not grounded in reality. Consider a bit of roadkill. It's immediately obvious that the animal is dead... most people don't waste their time determining the make and model of vehicle that killed it.
there's the observation that we're complex creations and complex creations usually have a creator. It's a valid argument but you actually need to argue against the initial argument
No, it's not a valid argument. It's made by people who have no understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics. As you've shown, "arguments" for god are based on ignorance, not evidence. To espouse them, you have to misunderstand or distort reality.
Not all atheists define themselves by their lack of belief. The thing that makes a person an atheist is a lack of belief in deities. Anything else is a personal belief unrelated to atheism.
[–]jimcrator 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
It's made by people who have no understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics.
So you're saying that Isaac Newton and Johannes Kepler had no understanding of physics when they presented their versions of the teleological argument? What a stupid thing to say.
It seems you are the one grounded in ignorance and rejecting reality here.
[–]brewmasterezaie 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Biology and chemistry didn't exist as a proper disciplines in Newton's or Kepler's time. The physics governing molecular systems did not exist at all.
They were brilliant individuals, but they were ignorant. And they made an argument for god's existence from ignorance.
[–]jimcrator -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Newton and Kepler's teleological argument were based on astronomy and doesn't have anything to do with "molecular systems."
It was their understanding of how the solar system and planetary orbits worked that led to the foundation of their argument, not their ignorance of it.
Again, it really doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.
It's made by people who have no understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics
You can't use those in your argument. That would be using evidence to dismiss them. I'm talking about dismissing without evidence. I'm talking about the difference between "That argument is wrong because there's no god" and "that argument is wrong because it violates known scientific principles". The first response is invalid. The second is quite reasonable.
Before we had any ability to measure the age of the earth, any concept of evolution, or concept of chemistry, should people still have dismissed the existence of god? Based on the evidence available it was the best hypothesis. It just happened to be wrong.
What is proposed without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
[–]squigs 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Quite. But if you provide evidence with the proposal, you need to provide some counter evidence. The evidence presented might not be very good, but it's still evidence.
[–]Admiralzzyx 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
So you're basically saying that atheism can't be fundamentalism because atheism is true and how can you be a fundamentalist of something that's true.
Gotcha...
[–]ReyTheRed 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Is Jesus a god? I don't know enough family guy to tell if Jesus is sufficiently powerful relative to the other impossible elements to be considered a god. And has Brian seen him perform miracles?
Even if Jesus walks through your door, the burden of proving he is a deity is still quite large.
[–]rasputine 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Have you not seen his incredible miracles!?!
[–]rockidol 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Yes Brian has seen Jesus perform miracles, specifically turning their food into ice cream and magically making Louis' err bust bigger.
[–]ReyTheRed 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
But are those miracles significantly beyond what other characters do? Brian himself had super powers at one point, as did the entire family. Peter gets into shenanigans that would kill a normal person all the time, so his survival could be considered miraculous. It isn't a question of whether Jesus has powers, but whether his powers are significantly greater to the point that believing he is a god is justified.
[–]rockidol 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
He walks on water, Brian didn't see it but he is the real Jesus.
Walking on water doesn't make you a god. Especially when you compare it to Lois having super strength, or Brian's super speed.
In a universe where supernatural events are commonplace, supernatural powers are not sufficient to make someone a god.
[–]ResidentSmartass 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Stewie catches Brian praying in the episode "April in Quahog."
[–]Pollo_Bueno 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Brian only thinks the way he does to think differently from other people.
He's a liberal, because the Griffin's are conservative.
[–]VLDT 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
They're both fictional, all bets are off.
[–]NZDarkFalcon 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
You forget the part where stewie and brian created the universe noob.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
You can be an Atheist and still believe Jesus was an actual historical figure...
[–]athmi100 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I've see this post multiple times on Reddit. I still find it hilarious
[–]_Synth_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Relevant tvtropes linnk.
[–]matioman 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Good for Brian, sticking to his guns.
[–]Tithonos 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Brian's a douche.
[–]mklod 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
downvote for using 'fundie' and 'athiest' in the same phrase
downvote for making up words
[–]dobrpit35[S] -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Downvote for being a douche and not seeing a joke for what it is.
[–]complex_reduction -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 months ago
Please do not use the term "fundie" in regard to atheism.
[–]AnticScarab3 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
It's all in good fun. Remember, he's using it to describe an animated talking dog that walks on two legs. I don't think anyone takes this character seriously.
[–]Ragnalypse -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
If you go on r/atheism and don't expect a lot of LGBT/pissed off posts, you're gonna have a bad time.
If you're totally inflexible in a belief there's no god, you're just as bad as if you're totally inflexible in a belief there is a god. You may be right, but that's just chance.
Primarily it's an aspersion rather than a literal description.
[–]CrudOMatic -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Miracle Man != God's son
[–]david76 -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
I don't see how this makes him a fundie. He just doesn't think Jesus is the Christ or the son of god.
[–]Seyla -8 points-7 points-6 points 5 months ago
I don't remember any part of the series where Brian says he's an atheist. He's against religion, but he does believe in god.
[–]Avenastra 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Not to mention being Atheist doesn't mean you don't believe Jesus existed, you just don't believe he is any sort of divinity nor was born from a virgin. Just a very good smooth talker. Kinda like any number of cult leaders.
[–]Destroyus 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Somewhere in the episode "Love, Blactually" Brian says he is atheist.
[–]OmegaSnowWolf 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
There was an episode where Meg attempts to convert Brian to Christianity, after admitting he is an Atheist. He has done this several times.
[–]CigarBoB 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I was just going to say this.
At the end of the episode the christians are having a book burning and Meg is about to throw in a book titled "Logic for 1st Graders".
Oh and Meg was converted by watching Kurt Cameron after getting the Mumps at a ComiCon. I have watched way way way to much Family Guy.
[–]Seyla 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I have been proven wrong and shall adjust my thinking accordingly. Upvotes to you all.
[–]neo_stythys -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
downvoting for two things:
the term 'fundie athiest', and the spelling error 'stiill'.
[–]ElCidVargas -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 months ago
Hey guess what? Family guy is a CARTOON.
[–]wtfisflapdoodle 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
Hey guess what? That picture was a JOKE.
[–]stop_being-a-dick 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Hey guess what? Chicken butt.
[–]wtfisflapdoodle 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
http://i.imgur.com/LkAKp.jpg
I tried googling the dog response to that video and found something really mind boggling. http://whatboyswant.com/forum_read/4949287
[–]R88SHUN -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 months ago*
seeing a lot of push back for using the term "fundie" in reference to an atheist...
all atheists are supposed to be fundamentalists. it is the very essence of our outlook. if you dont live by a strict adherence to the fundamentals of science and logic you are less an atheist than a charlatan.
there is a difference between fundamentalism and ignorance. we are it. at least we are supposed to be...
downvoted by a bunch of fucking charlatans.
[–]SpiritHeretic 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
I think you're confusing atheist with skeptic.
[–]R88SHUN 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago*
no. i wasnt stating a matter of opinion. if you are an "atheist" and not "some dipshit who wants to be trendy and is be too apathetic to hold a viewpoint on the subject" you are supposed to be a fundamentalist.
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is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
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