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How religion works in a nutshell (in my opinion). (imgur.com)
submitted 4 months ago by Stazman93
[–]I_got_syphilis_from 39 points40 points41 points 4 months ago
In someone else's opinion that you just happen to agree with.
[–]professorgold 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
Schambers', apparently.
[–]foggart 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Also Vonnegut.
[–]Zinthorr 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
So it goes..
[–]machinegunsyphilis 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I think you got syphilis from me...sorry bro.
[–]sicinfit 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Phil?
[–]machinegunsyphilis 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
syPHILis
[–]bebobli 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
You could say that about anything.
[–]RedSquaree 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
source: karmadecay
[–]Mattman624 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago
Religion and Politics.
[–]EnigoMontoya 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Was about to say: This is also how Politics worth unfortunately. It just means humans general wan to believe in comforting lies versus the unpleasant truth.
Religion, Politics, Relationships... you can see examples of this everywhere.
[–]Aureosol 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago
unpleasant truth?! what are you talking about? Every day I am amazed at the complexity and beauty of our universe, not knowing how it came to be doesn't take the joy of enjoying it but rather make it so much more interesting! XD
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 4 months ago
I agree. But I think what they meant was the fact that when we die, we are dead. There is no pearly gate, no heaven, no cool bullshit story. Just dark.
[–]Aureosol 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
ah of course, I see, I also have no problem with that either, live your life to the fullest there is no after party :P
[–]scottykill -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 months ago
"no BS story"
Again and again...why do Atheists attack every other religion? Out of curiosity, what has been done to you personally as an Atheist to cause such anger, or rather a sense of enjoyment out of attacking and bullying others religions?
The same people who will fight for equality, the same people who claim to stand up against bullying, are the same people who sit here and bully other good, moral people because of their beliefs.
I love you guys, I'm done.
[–]Rmeder1 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago
why do Atheists attack every other religion?
ಠ_ಠ
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
I don't bully other religions. I was just saying what I thought the creator of that comic meant. At least I don't go around protesting with pictures of dead babies in front of abortion clinics, and signs with fags go to hell. No matter what religion (or non religion) you go to, there will be people on both extremes. I don't attack, I state what I believe to be true. As does pretty much everyone else. I don't scream, I don't shove it down your throat. I just tell you in a matter of fact way. We die. That's it.
[–]scottykill 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
People that do that can claim religion, but they can't claim Christ. I agree, that stuff is unreal and makes me sick.
Sorry for the rant, I'm new to reddit and now realize the majority here are Atheist. I'm a believer in Christ and just didn't understand the excessive Jesus hate, but I see the sub-reddits so I'll stay away from the pictures/posts that might be offensive to me.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
no problem..
[–]BeethovenFanatic 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
1) I don't think he was attacking anything, but just stating what he thought the comic meant by "comforting lies." 2) But on the subject of "what has religion done to you to make you so angry and make fun of religion," it would be religious people constantly making fun of my beliefs and always telling me that my family and I are going to hell. Its VERY unpleasant, so out anger isn't completely unfounded.
"religious people constantly making fun of my beliefs and always telling me that my family and I are going to hell."
I've had that happen several times as well, walking around downtown Ft Worth and Dallas. Just ridiculous man...I'm sorry.
[–]BeethovenFanatic 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I'm in Texas too. Religion is pretty dominant here. I feels ya, brah.
[–]beulerplate -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Maybe I don't understand...but why do you even care about being told you're going to hell if you don't believe in heaven in hell? If I was atheist (I'm not) I would imagine I'd just smile and say to myself "How cute, he thinks I'll be tormented by a red dude with horns for eternity" and then move on and not give a shit for the rest of the day.
[–]that1account 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
It's simply the fact someone wishes ill will on you
[–]BeethovenFanatic 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
It doesn't necessarily offend me, but its simply annoying. Its just like you said for the first few times, but after a while the guilt trips get insanely irritating. And as soon as people hear you're an atheist, you've got a solid month at least of hearing about how awful you are.
[–]ReneXvv 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
People don't just believe that, they believe the god who does that is the personification of morality. So they aren't just saying that I'll burn in hell forever, that is stupid and inconsequential, but they're saying I deserve to suffer for ever. That is not only an insult but also a dehumanising technique that promotes violence.
[–]coolstorybroham 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
They might as well say "You are morally inferior." Some people are offended by slander.
[–]Aiskhulos 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
He's not bullying anyone. He's speaking facts. The stories in the Bible are, for the most part, demonstrably false.
[–]CraigChrist 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
He did say "cool bullshit story". There are definitely good values and morals taught in those stories, but the whole afterlife thing taken as reality? Yeah, I also call bullshit.
[–]Hot_Beef_Injection 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Hmm where to begin... Maybe it's the family-destroying arguments about whether or not I can eat meat on a certain day. Or my mother crying her heart out night after night because my nephew wasn't baptized. Or the time my dad punched me in the face and threw my stereo off the balcony after I said church was stupid. Or, more recently, my mother having violent fights with my little brother for not wanting to memorize pages' worth of religious BULLSHIT for his confirmation. That, my friend, is why I hate religion. And why I will always belittle it and insult these backward beliefs whenever possible.
I'm extremely sorry dude...as a Christian and follower of Christ, I honestly am deeply sorry that people who have called themselves "religious, or christian, or whatever" have treated you that way and acted like that.
I will say though as awful as those things are, does it hit home at all that when you "belittle and insult" beliefs, you're insulting other moral, genuinely nice people who are NOTHING like what your family claims to be..? An eye for an eye?
[–]Hot_Beef_Injection 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I am aware that there are many cool religious people, who genuinely try to do good, and don't shove their beliefs into other people's throats. However, for every level-minded religious person out there, there are those that will beat their kids for not going to church on a Sunday, kick them out of the house for being atheist, and even have them kidnapped in the middle of the night and taken to the worst and strictest catholic boarding schools that I have ever heard about. These kinds of beliefs cause stupid people to do horrible things, and that is why I cannot tolerate religion. Out of pure courtesy I apologize if this offends you, or any other sane religious person, but understand that I believe the world would be a better place without religion as a whole.
[–]scottykill 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago*
"Out of pure courtesy I apologize if this offends you"
I appreciate it. None taken, to each his own. There's a lot of jacked out people out there, religion or not. I was trying to explain to my fiance (the best I could) about people who screw up Christianity and the name of Christ by acting the complete opposite of what he came to do, and here's the best example I could think of:
"Imagine if you had never seen any Star Wars movie, but one night you decided to watch the Phantom Menace. After watching the Phantom Menace, you become disgusted with Star Wars and claim you will never watch that movie or anything associated with it again. You honestly don't understand why there are so many die hard Star Wars fans out there. One day, you come across a huge Star Wars fan and tell him you watched the Phantom Menace and tell him how much you hate Star Wars, and all he can say is 'It isn't like that I swear. Please, just watch A New Hope. All Star Wars isn't the Phantom Menace, you've got to believe me."
I guess what I'm trying to say is...don't let the Phantom Menace ruin Christ for you. Okay seriously though..
That's a good point you made, and it was actually pretty funny. it's noted. On an unrelated note, you've prompted me to give Tim and Eric's Awesome Show, Great Job another chance. (I've seen clips of that show, and it has never made me laugh so far)
Haha nice man, I've actually never seen the show but I have some friends that like it
[–]DecadentDisarray 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Don't buy into the nonsense ScottyKill...I'm an atheist and this subreddit makes me sick...it is filled with hateful immature children displaying sophomoric mentality.
The people who say religious people are stupid are just assholes. But there is nothing wrong with insulting an idea, or sets of ideas, which is all that religions are. Christianity, for example, lies on the premise that the bible has some level of authority in both a historical and moral level, two things in which it fails miserably. Not only that it relies in a background of supernaturalism and magical thinking, notions that by their definitions can't be shown to be real.
You could say that if I think these ideas are wrong I could just say my arguments for thinking this and be on my way, but religious people don't believe in their myths because of rational reasons, they believe for emotional ones, so mocking is a much better argument to make someone see the ridiculousness of a deity offering his son as a blood sacrifice to lift a curse he himself imposed. Or that sin is nothing but a psychological tool to make you feel guilty and thus passive.
No, I don't think religious people are stupid, they have just been lied to their whole lives. Making fun of the absurd things they believe is a way of making this point. Most times it won't work and will only make them more defensive, but it's better then rational arguments.
I guess that's the thing with religious beliefs: they are so personal to believers. Meanwhile, the non-believer may attack a religious belief as they would any other they saw as unfounded, e.g. Elvis is still alive. They don't intend for it to be personal, but believers take it as such.
So what you are asking is that we should stop sharing our genuine opinions so we can cater to people who disagree with us? And you are comparing this with bullying?
Ridiculous ideas are mocked, that's the whole social service of mocking. Religions are absurd delusions and as such must be mocked until everybody stops believing in them. The limit is to not mock the people who believe in them, just the ideas.
There is a great difference between going to someone and saying they are wrong and telling them that they are immoral and deserving of eternal torture.
Respect people, not ideas.
[–]scottykill 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
"respect people, not ideas" by mocking one's beliefs, you're disrespecting them... So your goal is for everyone to stop believing in "religions"? So you want uniformity and "free thinkers"? You want millions of people with various religious beliefs to stop believing in religion. So you have an agenda? Sounds familiar..
[–]stormstar1 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
The single most unpleasant truth that atheists accept and religious people don't is that we are not immortal.
[–]delarsea 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
well, technically we will still exist, but just won't be conscious. who knows, maybe our quanta will be recycled into another life form and we may be conscious again as them, without any memory of any previous lives of course.
[–]stormstar1 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I disagree, we exist in our dead form about as much as we did before birth, as a collection of atoms, but hat identifies us as delarsea and stormstar1 instead of a bag of meat is lost, and the odds of even a handful of our atoms staying together in another form is slim. If our atoms were a part of another conscious creature, the contribution to its consciousness will be zero, and it's atoms will be a billionth of a percent.
[–]etha7 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Yes, but given an infinite amount of time...
With an infinite amount of possible configurations in a chaotic system, infinite amount of time means nothing.
[–]etha7 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Can you clarify that for me?
[–]delarsea 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
well you never know... modern quantum physics comes up with weirder theories than that all the time...
[–]GoodWithoutAGod 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Don't forget the christian creation story, God made you in His image by His hands. How much more special do you get than that? They don't want to believe that they just happened by accident, which is how many view evolution. It is about making you feel special, like you matter, that there is some grand design all laid out for you, some wonderful master plan for your life and at the end of it all, you get to chill in a mansion made of gold for all eternity.
[–]32koala 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
No heaven sux tho.
[–]charmingfuckinequine 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I think it has more to do with the fact that anything pleasant in the world religion can just claim but then anything unpleasant can be dismissed with comforting lies. There may be an abundance of beauty in the world but being religious doesn't make you oblivious to this fact.
[–]TheCrool 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I think you're interpreting it wrong, it has nothing to do with atheism. The comic is strictly religion, but only the ones that tell comforting lies get people flocking toward it. The ones that tell them that they're wrong and need to change and repent (which are unpleasant truths) are the ones that are empty.
[–]Skogar 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Agreed! I don't see what is unpleasant about it. I mean, I get sad, and depressed about suffering and what not, but at the end of the day I'm pretty happy to be a random pattern of proteins and star waste.
[–]watwait1000 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Our ancestors are all filthy, sister-raping savages. There's plenty of unpleasantness.
[–]cbelt123 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Calvinism isn't very comforting.
Total depravity (everybody sucks)
Election (God decided whether you are going to heaven or hell before you were born. You can't change it.)
Sovereignty of God (He does whatever the fuck he wants. You are too stupid to understand him. Deal with it)
[–]ChadwickHenryWard 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
It's not necessary to append your opinion with "in my opinion." Whose opinion are you afraid we are going to mistake it for?
[–]mungleyy 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
That was probably to ward off attacks from people who come to the r/atheism thread and take offense at many of the postings.
[–]ImAFlyingWhale 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Derp.
[–]dumnezero 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
actually, the line on the right should have adults holding the hands of their children
[–]cptjmshook 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
How religion works in a nutshell (in my opinion) (I'm not trying to offend anybody) (It's totally OK if you disagree, we can just agree to disagree and still be friends!) (Everybody's entitled to their beliefs) (Please don't be mad at me) (Look, forget I said anything, religion totally serves a valuable purpose in our society) (Do you forgive me for that offensive thing I said yet?) (I'm so lonely.)
FTFY
[–]DuckTruck 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
How about Buddhism, which is all about facing the uncomfortable truth that life is suffering?
But if things don't turnout very well, you can alway try again next time.
[–]pyramid_of_greatness -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 months ago
Show us the Buddhist suicide bombers and we'll start talking.
Um, I'm not sure how your reply matches up with my comment.
[–]stop_being-a-dick 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
It doesn't.
[–]Herculix 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
i think you accidentally a religion.
[–]DMTandME 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
This is also how the republican party works.
[–]dillyo516 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Haha, well the two are definitely synonomous now.
[–]sandmanMike 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago
Because being told you'll go to hell if you're not being good is a pleasant lie?
[–]mungleyy 15 points16 points17 points 4 months ago*
In many American 'churches' claiming faith in Christ is all that is required for salvation. Conversely, very few faiths accept good works as the sole means of salvation. They require adherence to the doctrine.
[–]Feinberg 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago
Mungleyy's absolutely right. The story isn't that you go to Hell if you're not good. The story is that you go to Hell if you don't worship God. No matter how many lives you save and people you help, if you don't grovel to invisible sky fairy with the foreskin fixation, you're going to Hell.
Heaven isn't a place for good people. It's a place for people who respond well to intimidation.
[–]sandmanMike -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
I guess that all depends on the church, coming from a Catholic background, it isn't just faith but faith and works, and I myself have been of the notion that even heathens ( ;) ) have a chance at eternal happiness. http://www.catholicbible101.com/whogetsintoheaven.htm
[–]stormstar1 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Being told you have a choice of how to spend an eternal life is much better to many people than not getting to live forever at all.
[–]sandmanMike 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Really? I guess to some people it could be. But then again having the responsibility of deciding how you spend your eternal life in the short time known as human life can be quite daunting.
It's like getting one college degree and working that job forever without knowing what it will be like before hand, or if it will even come true.
Well, christianity sweetens the pot by promising that your eternal life is going to be in heaven where nothing bad happens ever. It's the illusion of choice, and even the weakest minded christian's play their hand with Pascal's Wager.
Is it even the weakest minded, or the weakest minded. While I'm sure some or many or maybe everyone has thought of Pascal's Wager, the reason for starting to do something good done not necessarily the act of goodness as being bad.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
As opposed to being told "be good because it's the right thing to do"? Yes, it does simplify things for those who don't seem to be able to think for themselves.
[–]dzunravel 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Use karmadecay.com for all your image-related repost questions.
[–]murtad 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
truth is not unpleasing in case of religion.It sets you free.
[–]AnticScarab3 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
That's exactly how religion works.
[–]johnny_appletits 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Exactly. Religion is a crutch. That is all.
[–]Litande 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I appreciate that you put 'in my opinion' in the title, not stating your opinion as a fact, and I respect that. There are a lot of unpleasant truths in Christianity, E.g. many go to hell, and the flipside where believers will go to heaven. In my opinion it's a mix between unpleasant truths and comforting truths. However humanity is great at corrupting things that's why you'll find commercialized churches who are only concerned about making a profit and not sincere. That's why I agree that many religious institutions (even "Christian" churches) sell pleasant lies to up their profits and members, which is wrong.
How exactly do you establish truth? I mean, of course not everything in the bible is wrong, but if you pick up any book and read it all you get is a series of conjectures. How do you discern truth from lies?
You can't simply say "because it's in the bible" because then you have to accept slavery.
You can't say "Oh, just the Jesus, stuff" because then you have to deny help to women who aren't jewish (Matthew 15:22-26) or kill the children of adulterous women (revelations 2:22-23)
That is just in the grey area of morality. A lot of the factual claims in the bible has been shown to be wrong.
When I say I believe in the atomic model of matter I say this with a lot of theoretical and experimental justification.
What establishes the truths of christianity? Specifically the supernatural notions of a soul and of a god, without which all else that differentiate it from the universal notion that you should be nice to people and avoid being a dick falls apart?
I believe you are a good being and I understand that the people who do harm in the name of christianity does not speak for all of you, but are you really surprised that people who were taught to believe in things that are absurd ended up believing in things that are absurd?
[–]Litande 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The Bible does not promote slavery, although it does recognize it's existence. If you are referring to verses in the old testament, those referred to people who voluntarily sold themselves into slavery. There's a verse in the new testament that condemns involuntary slave traders. (1 Timothy 1:10) The Canaanites were enemies of Israel, so there was no reason for Jesus to help His people's enemy, however He was still merciful.
The 'truths' that I believe in are either established by either 1. factual evidence, or 2. faith. Like, if my family told me something serious, I'd believe them even if I had no immediate evidence of it. Not everything I do is based on facts, nor do I believe everything I hear.
In the case of evolution, it is my opinion that there is not (enough) evidence to back it up, and the estimated chances of it happening are so incredibly minute that it shouldn't even be considered possible. When I look at the biological complexity and intricacies of a human being, or any mammal, the word "random" does not come to mind.
There's also the question, why does matter exist? Can you explain how it came to be from the void? How did evolution occur if there used to be absolutely nothing?
Just because something is commonly taught does not mean it is true. There are many examples from history of that.
Well it certainly doesn't speak against it, which is kind of what you'd expect from humanity's moral guide delivered by the perfect moral being. And yes, there was reasons for Jesus to help His people's enemies. That's like saying if you found an injured Iraqi woman in the street you shouldn't help her because you people are at war with her people. That doesn't really fit with the promoted picture of Jesus.
if my family told me something serious, I'd believe them even if I had no immediate evidence of it.
Well, that is really my point. That is not a good reason, if they didn't have any evidence they were probably wrong.
You see, there is a lot more evidence for evolution, and that you think that it predicts random chaotic organism shows a lack of literacy on the subject. There is random mutation and natural selection, natural selection being a deterministic process. But I digress.
But you said you are willing to believe your family on their word alone. So family without evidence trumps scientific consensus with evidence for you? This seems an arbitrary distribution of authority that only serves to confirm your bias.
And for the why matter exists, you are right. But just to be clear, Big Bang theory does not have anything to say about the origin of the universe, just that in the past everything was extremely dense and gets denser as you go back in time and at some point in this regression known physics break down and we can't say anything with any confidence. Though there are some interesting theories floating around about how the universe could come from nothing there isn't anything established really, but it's a misconception to think it had to have come from nothing. The universe could have always existed in very different states for all we know, it is just that at some point it was so compactly concentrated, by it I mean space and time itself included, that it was functioning in a way that we can't describe, at least yet. You can't go from all that to "therefore god did it".
I don't have to be able to explain the origin of the universe to realise that Genesis is a crappy explanation.
Yes it does speak against having involuntary slaves, or 'kidnappers', 'slave traders' as it is translated. Voluntary slaves made the decision to be a slave and made money, it did not go against their will and had nothing to do with discrimination, as opposed to what we commonly refer to as slaves.
Being at war with God's people and being at war with the US are two very different things. If you actually read the context you'll see that all it took was humility/faith from the woman and Jesus honored her for it and healed her.
What? lol I'm not a distrusting moron. I trust my family. They have never lied to me about anything important, therefore I have faith (believe) that what they tell me is true (and I'm talking about simple facts they may tell me, my belief in God is my own decision).
I have read about evolution and the probabilities of it occurring and they are ridiculously small, besides this there are millions of 'missing links', or could be referred to as 'non-existing links'. Most of the evidence is just arbitrary conclusions and speculations that scientists made, and how things -could- have happened.
While the evidence for evolution is underwhelming, I cannot say that there is necessarily more evidence for special creation, but it does explain how the universe came to existence which evolution seems to be lacking. I chose to believe it's real the same way you chose to believe evolution is real. Do we know undoubtedly our theory is real? no, we may think we do but we don't.
You act as though there's no chance special creation could ever happen, which seems close minded. I admit there is a chance of evolution happening however small it may be.
The beautiful vast universe is pointless if there is no God. Our lives are meaningless if there is no God. Our opinions are results of chance random processes and this conversation is a result of chance... I can either be convinced by a lot of arrogant atheists to believe in meaninglessness, or I can continue to believe in God.
[–]ALIENSMACK 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I heard it once put that religion evolved as a response to conscious awareness, like a defense.
[–]duchovny 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Subreddit titled atheism
Does nothing but talk about religion
[–]studmuffffffin 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
"We don't believe in a God."
"Alright, pack up folks. We're done here."
[–]punderful 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Well I think he has a point. Isn't this more /r/antitheism than /r/atheism? This subreddit is far more anti-theist than it's atheist.
What exactly would be an atheist topic that does not involve religion?
[–]Jokulan 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
This just proves that truth hurts.
[–]bobcall 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Could not be closer to the truth . :)
[–]HedenPK 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
It could be much closer because the "truths" aren't unpleasent.
[–]Chollly 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
YOU WILL ONE DAY CEASE TO BE!
[–]Shadow250000 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
As they say, ignorance is bliss.
[–]MJC93 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I think this is just how human nature works.
[–]mastigia 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
What is really so unpleasant about these so-called truths? Obsession with afterlife is so 80's...BC.
edit: changed AD to BC because when I try to be funny I am retartid.
[–]TheOthin 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
That is not what "opinion" means. What you're describing is your view: that is how religion looks to you. And I agree with your view, for the most part. But it's not the sort of thing where opinions are applicable.
[–]mrmoonshineman 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
no one has mentioned Bokononism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokonism
[–]bloometal 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Foma! It's all foma!
[–]iamsethrogan 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
so brave
[–]BeerGogglesFTW 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The "Comforting Lies" is missing the recurring payments part... Sure, it's not required... but they're not going to stop bugging you for it.
[–]relephantpic 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Pretty sure this is S.H. Chambers opinion, a libertarian political cartoonist from Arizona.
http://www.libertyunbound.com/node/247
[–]Lucifers_Friend 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
How everything you disagree with works. And this is how your opinions looks like to the people you disagree with.
'tis like a circle!
[–]JohnnyTaco 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I'm pretty sure that's how people in general work. Not just religion.
[–]tforge13 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
If somebody's willing to photoshop a guy with "/r/atheism" on their face into the left line, that's pretty much free karma...
[–]Amryxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
What is the "unpleasant truth"?
[–]briang1339 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Once you subscribe to the truth you find out that it is in fact much more comforting and beautiful than the lies.
[–]Eliot_A 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
You should watch the movie The Invention of Lying if you haven't already. It's largely about just this idea.
[–]iamdougdanger 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
is the truth really that unpleasant? i never thought so.
[–]lunsfordandsuns 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Although the truth may be "unpleasant" from the religious person's perspective, I think it's quite easy to deal with when accepted.
[–]Kartikaya 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Anyone else grow up thinking they were depressed, when actually they were just aware of all the shit other people ignore, and not realize until they were adults there is nothing psychologically wrong with them?
[–]C_Weezy 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I think it's cool if you guys are atheist, that's perfectly cool and your choice, but I don't like how you bash on religion.
[–]lubak 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Personally I feel a lot more liberated since I have come to terms with my atheism.
[–]eyob83 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I get no love. :(
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/s292c/truth_is_to_chaos_as_lies_are_to_stability/
[–]flatlander00321 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The mistake is trying to decide if religion pushes a truth or a lie.
[–]hughstefner 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
pretty much how sex works in my relationship. except for..you know...the line of dudes.
i hope
[–]khube -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
I don't think I agree with this.
Any intelligent Christian will tell you Christianity isn't the "easy way" out of having to think. Jesus himself talks about "taking up your own cross daily". Doesn't exactly sound like a blissful way to live. Even if you don't believe Jesus said that, you're referring to Christianity as an idea not "truth", so either way it isn't the comforting easy path.
As a Christian, couldn't I say that atheism is the comforting lie given the lack of accountability / moral consequence?
If you're an atheist, you're going to see Christianity as the comfortable choice, and as a Christian you're going to see atheism as the comfortable choice. It's difficult to make statements like these when you're included in one of the parties.
My thoughts anyways.
[–]mattsloth -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago*
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[–]khube 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
For an atheist it would mean something along the lines of carrying the label of an atheist, being prepared to face ridicule for those beliefs yet standing strong in them, and being able to converse/defend your viewpoints.
That's what it means to me anyways.
[–]mattsloth -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago*
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[–]09112001 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I'd correct that to:
[–]WORLDS_LARGEST_ANUS 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
Comics like these are better kept as simple as possible.
[–]DramaticReachAround 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
How religion works...
[–]scottykill -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago
Yet again, religion is a body of people that adhere to a set of beliefs and practices including the existence of life and why we're here.
sound familiar?
[–]scottykill -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago*
Religion at its core: body of people adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices.
[–]thicr -2 points-1 points0 points 4 months ago
In the end people want to live a happy life, parents lie to there kids about stuff they dont feel they are ready to hear, santa and all that. But as they grow up they will form opinons on there own what they want to keep as "real" and not. This bashing over how religon is only bad is starting to be quite annoying here on reddit. Just because somone dosent believe what you do, dosent make it wrong.
[–]Feinberg 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
If people weren't so keen to lie about anything that isn't exactly pleasant or convenient, life would be better.
Do you realize how close science is to doubling human lifespans or more? In about a hundred years, people could have access to a five hundred year lifespan. That's too late to help any of us, of course, but consider this, what if people hadn't spent the last several thousand years obsessed with a lie about what happens after their life, and instead focused on what happens during their life? What if the church hadn't executed scientists for having the audacity to pursue knowledge? What if, instead of lies like, "God did it," religions purveyed truths like, "The mechanism for that is unknown, but you would be doing a great service to humanity if you researched it."
Also, people don't indoctrinate their children into religion to encourage them to think for themselves later. That's just absurd.
[–]thicr -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 months ago
Who would it be better for? You? Yes religion did set back science for many hunder years. No idea where you want to come with that tough. Overpopulation will be one hell of task atleast ;D Fun how you try and defend science from nowhere. I brought up morals of what people precive as good or bad. With the last line i have no idea where you live but as a swede the few ppl i know that are christians where raised like that.
[–]Feinberg 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Overpopulation would be a hell of a problem. It already is. Who is it that opposes birth control because some mythical figure supposedly wants us to breed like rabbits until the ecosystem collapses?
The reason I bring up science is to demonstrate one way in which lying to ourselves and others for comfort hurts us in the long run. It's better to face the truth than it is to live in a fantasy world. A long time ago people found it more comfortable to believe that women could be legitimately treated like objects because they are inherently defective. Lots of people turned to pleasant lies so they could tell themselves black people were better off as slaves; that it was a kindness to them, really.
[–]thicr 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Your still useing extrems to try and put it as some avg thinking, it would be like saying science have only brought negative things with the use of weapons and so on.. As i said, i see all relgions as something people use a guidlines in life. And whatever works for them should be noone others buisness. Then you have the extrems at both sides that try and dissprove the other as they would have a right to be suprior to someone else. I can understand that you feel upsett and supressed if you live in America where things if you look at the news just seem horrible and moste christians there have lost what relgion means.
[–]a4moondoggy -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
actually it's quite a bit easier to be an atheist. no worries about hell. no worries about different religions and beliefs and adhering to the one true. millions of people who question their faith but have to do it in the dark because they will get disowned and beaten if they stray. This may be "How religion works in western countries". If anything Atheism "unpleasant truth" would mean depressing existence with no room for eternal spiritual universe wandering after death. Atheists annoy the hell out of me when they lump all the worlds religion into the narrow usa evangelical view of it.
[–]fuzzydunloblaw 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
All the worlds' theistic religions including yours are just as valid (or more likely invalid) as the "narrow usa evangelical" you whine about, in the sense that they all are faith-based constructs based on zero objective evidence. That aside, I also disagree with the blanket statement that it's quite a bit easier to be an atheist. There's so many factors to consider there that your statement can be easily discarded as a dopey and unfounded generalization.
The comic's generalization holds true in that every theistic religion I know of purports to have knowledge of the supernatural while lacking any objective reason or evidence to back up their claims. Comforting lies sums it up pretty well.
[–]brace110 -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Comforting lies indeed
[–]scottykill -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 months ago
So then you must know the truth? With factual evidence?
Maybe partial scientific evidence, but not for sure?
So you're telling me you're acting on faith then? ..interesting
The difference is that the leap of faith he is taking assumes much less than that of those adhering to a religious doctrine.
[–]scottykill -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, there's far more evidence than you might think..
Care to share with me the evidence that stuck with you the most?
It's been 3 years (read it my sophomore year of college), but the thing that stuck out most was just the non-biblical accounts around the same time that wrote about some of the same happenings in the new testament.
When I was in college I really struggled with the thought of a God and didn't really claim a religion or know if a 'higher power' existed. After reading that book, I came to the conclusion that you can make decent arguments for either side. I just started praying that if there was a God that he would speak to me and open up my heart, and my life has been completely different since. The church I went to in college and the people I knew were nothing like what I had previously thought...completely accepting, loving, giving people who were true followers of Christ just sharing his message...
I'm glad that you found a community of people that accept and love you, but can you see how anecdotal evidence or even personal accounts might seem unreliable especially when such personal accounts make fantastic claims that necessitate the suspension of logic?
Lee Strobel's books and "the reason for God" by Timothy Keller make a crazy good argument for Christ and his existence. The difference was, the Christians I was going to church with were nothing like anyone else I knew. They were selfless, humble, giving people who were living out Christ's message like he taught. They weren't picketing abortion clinics, they weren't crazy southern Christians...it was nothing like I had previously seen. I asked for God to reveal himself to me if he were real, and my heart, my life has been changed. It's something incredible man..
And that's great, because his message wasn't all that bad, but I'm wondering if you could give me the most credible argument that you can think of.
I don't. But I know that when something contradicts it self too much there can't be much truth found. Also when these so called answers raise even more questions it's something I would want to explore further. Sadly that doesn't get done much
[–]scottykill 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago*
I used to think there were a lot of contradictions when I questioned God in college, Lee Strobel's books and other Christian friends helped debunk those for me. I finally came to the conclusion that no matter what, you're technically part of a religion (set of beliefs shared with others about how we got here), and no matter what, you're putting your faith in something whether it be various scientific methods that still aren't 100% proven, or a book written thousands of years ago with multiple eye witness accounts (including some not from the bible) with archaeological evidence as well.
I just prayed that if God were real that he would reveal himself to me, and I haven't felt or been the same since.
[–]brace110 -1 points0 points1 point 3 months ago
I'm not putting my faith in science, I'm putting my trust in science, Look up the meaning of the word faith int he dictionary and you will see why you can't put faith in science.
And even if you assume going with science is a religion and everybody has one. We're not the one banning scientific research because of ethics made up by your god. Let's keep religion out of the politics and you would never hear me complain about it again.
[–]jbtoronto -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Religion in a nutshell? Yep: Nuts + Hell.
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