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Thanks for not aborting me (i.imgur.com)
submitted 6 months ago by embryo
[–]TequilaDuck 324 points325 points326 points 6 months ago
This infant suffers from Treacher Collins Syndrome. Julianna Wetmore is one of the most severe cases ever encountered.
Poor girl.
[–]GuilleX 20 points21 points22 points 6 months ago
For the lazy. I wept.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
i have a two year old who goes to therapy every day for speech, and i torture myself a lot about it thinking he has "problems" but when i see things like this, i remember how fortunate i am... little angel. =/
[–]brightdark 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I went to speech therapy from 3 years old to 9 years old. I was completely incoherent as a child. Now I'm 29 and everyone is surprised when I tell them I had a speech problem. Your child will be okay in time, don't fret too much.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
i have faith in his therapists and my dedication that he will be a normal kid/adult it just gets hard some days... thanks for your encouragement, love! <3
[–]CommodusDecides 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Poor girl... what a horrible thing to have to live with.
[–]ReadyThor 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
If by 'thing' you mean society, then I think you're right.
[–]dreamsailor 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
I haven't cried like that in a long, long time. She is so precious.
[–][deleted] 6 months ago
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[–]sporadicslippy 67 points68 points69 points 6 months ago
The condition was first seen during pre-natal scans where doctors thought that she had a cleft palate. However, the full extent of her disfigurement was not seen until she was born.
[–]Downhilldude 43 points44 points45 points 6 months ago
Well then. Perhaps I should read more before coming to judgement. All this can teach me is that I will sure as hell get genetic testing before making babies.
[–]RandG393 22 points23 points24 points 6 months ago
FYI, not all these test are 100% There are a lot of false positives, especially when it comes to Down's. It sucks, but I've had a couple friends stressthroughout most of their pregnancy, only to have a healthy baby.
[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 6 months ago
I will not give myself a hard time next time I look in a mirror.
[–]lord_skittles 49 points50 points51 points 6 months ago
I laughed. Then I felt terrible. Then I laughed. Then I felt terrible. I think it averaged out to a solid 'yeah, I'm going to hell'.
[–]zornog 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
I noticed a song with Bela Fleck is on that page, which leads me to ask: What the hell are you doing, Bela Fleck?!
[–]ScottCarmichael 111 points112 points113 points 6 months ago*
EDIT: Guy above deleted his comment - here is the site he linked to: http://www.julianawetmore.net/story.php
I'm conflicted about this. I for one do not support abortion in any way, shape or form.
That said, would this child have survived without ridiculous levels of medical care? I mean, if this lady just had a baby normally and couldn't afford more than the short hospital stay and only reasonable amounts of medicine, would the child have lived on its own? I very much doubt it.
"During her delivery the operating room where she was born was full of nurses, obstetricians, neonatologists, respiratory therapists, anesthesiologists, and many more. Juliana's birth was a very traumatic delivery and I was hemorrhaging afterward. ...She had her first surgery when she five days old, to insert a trach tube and a feeding tube. Through much research on Thom's part, while I was recovering in the hospital, we found Dr. Wolfe in Miami. He is a world renowned craniofacial surgeon and came highly recommended from different surgeons around the country. We traveled to Miami in late March and Juliana began her craniofacial surgeries with Dr. Wolfe on April 1. Juliana and DadThe first 18 months of her life were very difficult on all of us. She had many respiratory infections (RSV and pneumonia). We also continued to push ahead with her surgeries. With most of the surgeries came complications during recovery. As parents we heard some of the scariest words of our lives: "She may not survive this." We heard these words more than one time. And each time we went to our knees and prayed. Each time God had a bigger plan for Juliana. Juliana has endured 21 trips to the operating room." - From the site above
"During her delivery the operating room where she was born was full of nurses, obstetricians, neonatologists, respiratory therapists, anesthesiologists, and many more.
Juliana's birth was a very traumatic delivery and I was hemorrhaging afterward.
...She had her first surgery when she five days old, to insert a trach tube and a feeding tube. Through much research on Thom's part, while I was recovering in the hospital, we found Dr. Wolfe in Miami. He is a world renowned craniofacial surgeon and came highly recommended from different surgeons around the country. We traveled to Miami in late March and Juliana began her craniofacial surgeries with Dr. Wolfe on April 1.
Juliana and DadThe first 18 months of her life were very difficult on all of us. She had many respiratory infections (RSV and pneumonia). We also continued to push ahead with her surgeries. With most of the surgeries came complications during recovery. As parents we heard some of the scariest words of our lives: "She may not survive this." We heard these words more than one time. And each time we went to our knees and prayed. Each time God had a bigger plan for Juliana.
Juliana has endured 21 trips to the operating room." - From the site above
Pisses me off. That baby wouldn't have survived like a normal baby.
I almost feel as if this was more selfish on the parents' end than anything else. Sorta like keep someone on permanent life support when the odds of them coming back are .000001%. Who is it helping more, the patient, or the family?
At this point, there's nothing that can be done.........but given that they knew the child would have severe medical/health issues (much like couples who carry genetic traits that will almost certainly produce deformed/sickly offspring if they try to have kids), I feel very angry at the parents for letting this get to this point. I hope that lady got her tubes tied afterwards at the very least.
That kid will never have a normal life and - like so many others have pointed out - everyone else has to pay to support that one kid. Not to be heartless....but this pisses me off.
[–]batsandfrogs 35 points36 points37 points 6 months ago
please continue to express your opinions uninhibited. while i and others may disagree with you, you are still providing a well thought out and developed opinion that deserves far more upvotes in this thread than GReggzz732's "fuck off" down there.
[–]Lmkt 45 points46 points47 points 6 months ago
you "do not support abortion in any way"? you are one of these people that think if a girl gets pregnant after a rape, she has no right to get rid of the foetus?
[–]Chinamerican 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago
There's a difference between the legal right to vs. personal moral obligation/choice.
Personally, it's very unlikely I would get an abortion but it doesn't mean I don't support women to have the right to make that decision.
Given that this woman knew about her child's condition early on, I'm sure it was not an easy decision and if it were me, I would have considered aborting it but she obviously decided against it. Granted it will take a lot of resources, it is admirable that she is committed to giving her child the best life she can provide; there are many children that come into this world without people to love them and in a very real way, that is much worse.
[–]Canadian_Infidel 21 points22 points23 points 6 months ago
Exactly. We are those moderates everyone hates so much. I think abortions are questionable the majority of the time, but I don't think it's my place or the governments to be involved in that kind of decision.
[–]Kensin 58 points59 points60 points 6 months ago
if a girl gets pregnant after a rape, she has no right to get rid of the foetus?
foetus: the fetus of your enemy.
[–]goofygoobarock 32 points33 points34 points 6 months ago
Not supporting abortion morally is different than not supporting it politically. Hopefully he supports the right of other women to get abortions, but wouldn't do it himself. You never see Jews slapping you for eating bacon, bu you sure as hell can watch them not eat it.
[–]sycatrix 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I like the way you think, there's more than one explanation for everything
[–]Cryptan 40 points41 points42 points 6 months ago*
Wait what? Because they fought for her life she was able to do this:
http://www.julianawetmore.net/pictures.php?id=81
and this
http://www.julianawetmore.net/pictures.php?id=87
Sure, her face is disfigured, but at least she is experiencing life. She looks happy too.
I don't think you would call her parents selfish if they did this when she was 21 years old and got into a severe car accident. Would you?
[–]Couchmen 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
They didn't know she was going to be that way, they only thought she had a cleft pallet which happens all the time.
[–]ScottCarmichael 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Nope.
From the parent's site...
"At our first ultrasound, her stomach could not be found. We were brought back two weeks later for another one, when she was a little larger. Still her stomach was not seen.
We were sent to a larger hospital, where at about 24 weeks, during another ultrasound, the doctor came in to have a look and told us that he was going to do an amniocentesis. But he did not feel that whatever was happening with Juliana would show on it. He then told us that we needed to make a decision as to whether or not we were going to continue the pregnancy."
[–]Voduar 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Indeed, at the end of the day, she took up the kind of care that could of saved 10 other infants, or improved the lives of thousands of others. But we do not enjoy admitting the truth in this age of modern tech with 3rd millenial BC values, so please, keep wasting the healthcare on those who can gain no benefit, not if we are being honest.
[–]arcticwolf91 16 points17 points18 points 6 months ago
Who are you to speak for that kid? How do you know she would rather be dead than live her life? Unless you know something I don't, you should probably just stfu.
[–]ctown121 16 points17 points18 points 6 months ago
He's a fucking moron just making a broad general statement trolling for upvotes from vain people who don't understand that you can live a fulfilling and happy life even if you don't look "normal."
[–]ProN00b 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
Cute idealism
[–]coldvault 38 points39 points40 points 6 months ago
You know, I like to have a sense of humor about stuff, but this rubs me the wrong way.
[–]Lovtel 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago
Ditto. This thread is full of children.
[–]PepeAndMrDuck 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
No, there are a lot of serious discussions here about the condition, I read through a lot of them. I expected the post from r/WTF but the comments for the most part actually make me proud of reddit.
[–]yabacam 487 points488 points489 points 6 months ago
Am I a horrible person for knowing that I would NEVER be able to deal with that?
[–]provides_apparatus 447 points448 points449 points 6 months ago
No, you're a sane person.
[–]vicethal 40 points41 points42 points 6 months ago
Thank you, provides_apparatus, for a bit of validation. Having this sort of child is absolutely my #1 fear in life.
[–]Mehowthegreat 34 points35 points36 points 6 months ago
Me too, I still feel horrible that I would not hesitate to abort a my child that is like that :(
[–]Pwag 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago
You won't get the choice if the Right Wing extremists get their way.
Don't forget to vote please.
[–]Topper_Harley 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Upvote you mean?
[–]Pwag 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Yes, upvote at the ballot box.
Unless we can cash upvotes in for money.
In which case hook my broke self up.
[–]Mehowthegreat 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Bitch please I vote every election and try to get other to vote too fuck yea
[–]bgb111 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY APPARATUS?
[–]beliefsarerelative 98 points99 points100 points 6 months ago
No, you're realistic. Not everybody can have the incredible strength that it would take. I don't think I could deal with it either.
[–]cultured_banana_slug 57 points58 points59 points 6 months ago
If I knew my future child would be that deformed, I think I'd seriously consider abortion. It's not just the looks side of thing, but the mental problems. I couldn't handle the cost, for one. That shit gets expensive. Surgeries, rehab, therapy. We'd be broke. Starving broke. Then there's the fact that we'd (as in me and my SO) would be caring for that kid for the rest of our lives. We'd know that when we died it would probably wind up in a care facility staffed by people who are overworked and underpaid. And our kid would die wondering where we were, why we "left", and why it was so alone.
No thanks.
Scrap the pregnancy, start over.
Full props to people willing to do that, but it's a huge commitment. Not everyone can handle it and, to be fair, it's wrong for anyone but the parents to have to do all that work.
[–]thereisnosuchthing 27 points28 points29 points 6 months ago*
You'd be completely immoral if you didn't abort that - bringing another human being into the world and forcing them into a life defined by deformities that grotesque and that severe(which you KNOW are accompanied by crippling mental defects) through no choice of their own - because you "wanted a baby" or "think jesus wants you to have da baby" is fucking immoral to the highest degree.
STOP THINKING ONLY ABOUT YOURSELF AND THE EFFECT OF A CHILD ON YOUR LIFE, AND BEGIN THINKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL EXPERIENCE OF THE HUMAN BEING YOU ARE DECIDING TO SHOVE INTO LIFE 'CUS YOU WANT A BABY'. You amoral buffoons.
"Well I think abortion is immoral but forcing another human being to live 50-60 years(if they survive that long) of HORRIBLE SUFFERING, AGONY, AND MISERY through no choice of their own is perfectly moral!"
Fucking idiots, which one is less ethical? The most loving thing that you can possibly do for your children is to never allow them to be conceived. We should all be morally opposed to childbirth, really, but since we are almost entirely selfish(while pretending not to be) - we never even think it through that far.
[–]cultured_banana_slug 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago
I think it's a conflict between what modern technology can do and the problems of inserting bronze-age thinking into it all. Some people are just not comfortable with the power medical technology gives us. We can, in a way, "see the future". We can scan the fetus, do tests, and see what lies in store. We don't have to wait. Or take what "god" gives us. We can say, "no."
And some people are not comfortable with that. They figure you should accept whatever "god" gives you. You shouldn't have control. You should just bow down and accept.
It's just sad that someone has to suffer horribly because they feel they have to accept what "god" gives them. No, it's someone else doing the accepting, every day, painful moment by painful moment.
It's horrific.
[–]dustybizzle 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Same here, I can freely admit that my arms aren't big or strong enough to hold that gargantuan head up all day.
[–]CatMinion 32 points33 points34 points 6 months ago
This scares me when I think about my wife and I having a kid. I feel horrible that this bothers me. I would not be able to deal with this either! You're not alone.
[–]Mopso 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Would I leave him behind to be raised by bats?
hmm
[–]awesomedudeguy 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Same, I would not wish this kind of pain and anguish on my worst enemy in a million years
[–]Copo55 43 points44 points45 points 6 months ago
Alright so I have TCS, did an AMA not too long ago so I'm gonna weigh in here.
I enjoy my life. Yea it's hard sometimes (it's gotten a lot easier) but life is hard for everyone. The only difference is I've had to deal with issues most of you never will. The thing is life has made me stronger for it, capable of dealing with shit that someone people can't imagine. Yes, I look funny, but I'm not some sort of freak that can never be loved by anyone other than blood relatives. I have a lot of people in my life who love me for who I am and in some ways my face is a blessing because fake friends don't happen very often.
As for the physical side, I've had 24 operations to date and spent more time in the hospital than you can imagine. It's not fun but it's just a part of life that ultimately leads to a better quality of life.
Life is hard for everyone. But I have learned a lot of lessons in my life that have equipped me with the tools to live a happy life. I don't care if someone doesn't like me for the way I look. I make jokes about the way I look or my lack of ears with people because they're funny and honestly if you can't laugh at yourself life fucking sucks. And most importantly how fucking amazing is being alive? I don't have ears and how amazing is it that I live in an age where I can enjoy wonderful music by great musicians such as Pink Floyd, The Doors, Howlin Wolf, Blink 182 etc? How amazing is it that I get to smell the grass and feel the sunshine on my skin? How amazing is it that I get to experience something as incredible as love? Life is so fucking beautiful that words do not do justice to how happy I am to be alive.
And this beautiful little girl gets to experience all of that. Life isn't always going to be great but she is going to be one hell of an individual who's strength of spirit will be unshakable. I don't wish my life on anyone but this little girl deserves the opportunity to seek out happiness in this world.
[–]froggy555 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I know there are all kinds of brave people, but you are definitely one of them. My brother is over 7'2" and is constantly being stared at and he can't handle it at all. He lets it control his life and he is mostly a negative person about it. I am sure height seems like small fries, but it is hard to be different period I guess. I wish he could see all the positive things in his life. You are so positive, I love it, you will be a great counselor or motivator.
[–]Copo55 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
I don't think it's trivial. We all have our demons to face and I cannot judge who's struggle is greater. Thank you, I appreciate the kind words.
[–]bluntedaffect 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I'm making my way through your AMA now, and it certainly doesn't seem that way, but were you ever resentful of all of the surgeries? I can't imagine that this little girl understands and accepts all of the physical pain she must be in. What must a lifetime of craniofacial surgeries, without weight given to one's own input, be like?
[–]Copo55 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Yea definitely. Now that I'm older I get why my parents did it (to give me a better quality of life) but in my younger years (read 0-12) I didn't see the big picture and was very upset about the surgeries. It's not a fun life, having to sit there while doctors poke and cut at you but now that I'm older I'm glad they happened when I was so young.
[–][deleted] 184 points185 points186 points 6 months ago
I think a lot of people experience "bad" things in their lives (depression, illness, whatever) and because of that they experience pain (physical and/or psychological). And when they see people like this, they think, "Shit, their pain must be like my pain, but much, much worse. I can barely stand what I go through. So their pain must be unbearable." But I think this empathy/sympathy is not misplaced but miscalculated. She might wake up everyday happy to be alive. Or she might want to kill herself every waking moment. I don't know. And, in the context of comments like "they should have aborted her" we should remind ourselves we just don't know.
[–]EatBeets 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
Well put, I feel this is one of the topics people miss and this is written up quite well. The other one we don't want to talk about is listed above, about the cost of human life. People just don't want to talk about this stuff, but it's good.
Humans have the unique ability of being empathetic to anything, even inanimate objects. On the flip side, some people completely lack empathy whatsoever.
[–]maximilitia 123 points124 points125 points 6 months ago
Dude with TCS did an AMA a few months back.
Spoiler: He has bigger balls than you.
[–]raphtze 17 points18 points19 points 6 months ago
glad you put this comment up. and yes......that guy is pretty damn awesome. seems like this lil girl is living too......and damn it, who am i to judge who gets to live or not?
[–]yangx 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
My first thought for this thread is abortion, but god damn it I realize its not my fucking decision.
Dude, I just try to be the best person I can be. Life happens to us all and you just gotta roll with the punches. It's too short and much too painful not to just enjoy yourself.
[–]maximilitia 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Yay! So awesome you replied!
As simple as it sounds, that is exactly right, man. Fucking spot on.
[–]Encelidus 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago
My word that man has more balls than I can ever hope too, and I want a hat now.
Damn right you want that hat. It's been awhile since I wore it, think it's time to change that.
[–]crucifunction 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
Can we agree that it was a good thing this guy's parents don't consult Reddit on ethical decisions? I hope this little girl gets a hat herself one day.
Good link, and I hope you make it further up. This girl is on the outside what too many commenters are on the inside.
[–]Copo55 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago
My parents didn't know until I was born that I was like this. The doctors told them pretty much worse case scenario, including mental disability, lifelong deafness, subpar quality of life, etc. But they never gave up, I don't have ears and they still had hope that one day I would hear. I would not be the man that I am today, not this strong nor this at peace with myself and my life if it wasn't for them.
I think this little girl is beautiful.
She seems like an absolute sweetheart.
[–]crucifunction 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Read some of your comment history on this post, as well as your AMA, and it seem like you go out of your way to deal respectfully with people who don't know any better. Good on you, man - original commenter's right, you've got balls, but more importantly, you've got grace.
[–]Oraukk 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I really hope this gets to the top of the thread. Does reddit think this guy should have been aborted? He seems very happy.
I am happy. Yea I had to deal with a lot of shit growing up but I'm better off for it I think. And honestly I'm a little saddened by a lot of these comments here. TCS is a purely physical deformity. She may look different but she might cure cancer or something, who knows.
[–]Oraukk 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Wow, what are the odds that you'd see this comment? Glad to hear you're doing well!
[–]OMG_shewz 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago
I read the title and thought this was going to be funny. I'm pretty desensitized to most things on the internet, but I looked in to the eyes of another human being there, saw it's future, and I felt my heart fucking drop.
[–]Iomena 22 points23 points24 points 6 months ago
Does her condition affect more than her appearance? I agree that it would be a very difficult way to live looking like that, but if she is otherwise able to enjoy things.......its really disgusting to imply that someone should die (or never live) because of how they look.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
She is fed through a tube and has a hole in her throat because she otherwise might suffocate. Other than those two things I am not sure.
I have TCS and there's no mental disability associated with it. I enjoy life, don't see why she can't.
[–]STUN_Runner 489 points490 points491 points 6 months ago
More like, thernks fer nert erberting meh
[–]StreetMailbox 42 points43 points44 points 6 months ago
Actually, according to her family's blog, she is shaping up a fuck of a lot better than I ever would have thought.
[–]JesseCan2Step 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
You fucking bastard, I was near the edge but you placed a firm kick to my ass to jettison me into the pit of insomnia ಠ_ಠ
[–]El_Gringo_Bandido 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
Yeah, she looks great...
[–]Askelkana 120 points121 points122 points 6 months ago
Great! I laughed hard at this, Now I'm going to burn in hell. Thanks a lot!
[–]wideeyelove 84 points85 points86 points 6 months ago
Thernks a lert!
ftfy
[–]DWill88 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
ferxed dert fer yer
[–]STUN_Runner 46 points47 points48 points 6 months ago
Listen, I laughed for half an hour at "mer fervert berks," and I'm just paying it forward.
[–]Your_Jaws_My_Balls 16 points17 points18 points 6 months ago
I can't stop laughing at this now. I know I am going to be in a serious situation that requires me to keep a straight face and I am going to think of this and instantly blow snot out of my nose laughing. All my upvotes to you kind person!
[–]annafrida 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago
I can only keep a straight face until I get to the "berks" part, then I can't hold it in any longer.
[–]yogurtpop 22 points23 points24 points 6 months ago
good thing hell isn't real
[–]DilddoBaggins 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Did you not see that scared straight episode where the inmate tells the chubby kid to rub orange kool-aid on his bottom lip? The inmate then feigns to kiss him, pulls away and exclaims "You orange-flavored-motha-fucka...". Yes, yes there is a hell. Unique to us all.
[–]bottom_of_the_well 17 points18 points19 points 6 months ago
Yeah, wait till you have kids. After that, you see something like this, and something genetic stops you from laughing. You feel empty.
[–]hooah212002 80 points81 points82 points 6 months ago
Nope. I have two kids. I laughed.
[–]Nebz604 21 points22 points23 points 6 months ago
I have 1 kid, I laughed twice as hard.
[–]Qwantitative 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago
I have 0 kids and laughed infinitely harder!
[–]smthngclvr 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago
Your level of laughter is undefined!
[–]kenshiro1711 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago
Same here.
[–]Justg66 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I have four kids, still laughing.
[–]zuperxtreme 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
/r/ImGoingToHellForThis werkns yew wit opan erms
[–]NekoObasan 416 points417 points418 points 6 months ago
They were told while that child was in utero that she was going to come out like that. They were given the option to terminate the pregnancy. I find it absolutely cruel that they chose to bring her into this world with an affliction like that. So sad.
[–]bt999 185 points186 points187 points 6 months ago
Who is going to pay for that? $1,000,000 a year x 30 years? You.
[–]rascal_boo 147 points148 points149 points 6 months ago
Fortunately the US Navy benefits scheme has picked up the tab, so far, for Julianna's treatment. An estimated $3,000,000. source
Pretty much.
[–]firemarshalbill 62 points63 points64 points 6 months ago
However, that link says that they were told she had a cleft palate in utero, not that much disfigurement.
[–]noreallyimthepope 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago
In Denmark at least, cleft lip is not reason enough for abortion. Abortions after... 20-ish weeks have to be approved by a medical and ethical board, and before that, you can't tell from the scans.
Source: I have a son with cleft lip and palate. I wouldn't have aborted him, even if given the chance, but the doctor was very thorough in explaining options.
One son.
[–]UF_Engineer 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
I'd be more concerned about the missing hand! ;)
[–]noreallyimthepope 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
He got better! :)
[–]firemarshalbill 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Not an abortion reason anywhere, unless you just want an abortion. I usually donate to Smile as my charity of choice, as fixing a bad cleft pallate in countries is a cheap surgery which guarantees the difference between a normal and outcast life.
[–]noreallyimthepope 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
It's really odd because when he's having surgery in a few weeks, it feels like they're going to take away our son and give us another one with another face. Hell have to relearn smiling and eating. My S.O. Has stated that emotionally, it would be preferable to not have any cosmetic surgery (only closing the palate), but rationally, there is no other way forward since we want him to have as easy a life as possible.
[–]firemarshalbill 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
That's strange to me, I wouldn't have thought that would be an issue. I'm sure it's one that will soon be forgotten though.
[–]underwritress 20 points21 points22 points 6 months ago
who pays for Navy benefits? I'm thinking taxpayers.
[–]dmack96 40 points41 points42 points 6 months ago
That's what he meant by "Pretty Much"
[–]iluvucorgi 17 points18 points19 points 6 months ago
The military thinks nothing of spending much that to kill people.
[–]worlddictator85 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
It's not even the money that bugs me. What kind of like is that kid going to have? I don't mind tax dollars going to the treatment of a kid who has the chance for a high quality of life, but to bring this kid into the world seems cruel.
[–]jshilk 27 points28 points29 points 6 months ago
Well she's alive now, I don't think any amount of money can justify just leaving her to die.
[–]IfThisNameIsTaken 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
It's more about the quality of life the child will have not the amount of money. At least that's how I view it.
[–]Ulysses1978 262 points263 points264 points 6 months ago
we loose entire species every day. why is one human life so precious?
[–]entelita 39 points40 points41 points 6 months ago
while I agree that the parents probably should have made a better decision on bringing this person into the world, she did not choose to come into it and so she should not be punished or looked down upon. if resources are available to keep her alive they should be used because we should not punish people when no one ever asked to be brought into the world in these conditions.
[–]ImNakedHowBoutYou 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
lose
[–]yumcax 68 points69 points70 points 6 months ago
Or if you care about humans more, malnourished children die in third world countries, and even America, every day. Put that money to a better cause. Very selfish.
[–]Blue_Falcon 25 points26 points27 points 6 months ago
Third world countries don't need your food, your money, or or your donations. They need a revolution. Nothing you can do short of killing their dictator's and finding a leader amongst the starving and lost to lead the fall out will work. Their dictator's take everything we send them. And it's not as simple as killing one. Someone else takes hold.
I know it's not just Africa that has starving kids. We know there is enough food in the world to feed everyone without a problem. The big issue is distribution. But that 3,000,000 that kid gets could be spent on so much more. They're lucky that one of them is in the military and on Tri-care, otherwise they would've terminated or if they kept the kid she'd of died of complications later on.
[–][deleted] 106 points107 points108 points 6 months ago
Fuck whoever downvoted you.
Entire animal species depend on less than it costs to keep this girl alive.
[–]wurstopher 175 points176 points177 points 6 months ago
The right to an abortion should not be mistaken for a duty. That's just as stupid and dangerous
[–]couldnotmakemylifeup 58 points59 points60 points 6 months ago*
I have a cousin who was born with severe genetic defects that make it so that he needs a trache, cannot walk, and cannot do any of the most personal routines for himself (bathe, go to the bathroom, change, etc.)
He cannot swim, cannot sleep over friends house, cannot attend "normal" classes (even though he is mentally competent) because he cannot physically function in a classroom, and generally cannot be left alone.
My aunt knew the majority of his deformities while pregnant and refused an abortion. More than once he has called me, crying, saying that his life isn't worth living. He feels trapped in his body. There is no cure, only treatments. This will never get better.
Since this is a genetic disorder, there is the chance that I could have a child with similar issues. I would never bring a person into this world knowing the pain.
I love my cousin with all of my heart, and I understand the decision my Aunt made, but knowing him, seeing his life, I could not bring another person into it.
I have so much respect for him to keep going to way he does. He is strong, and I am proud. It's just that he didn't have to be.
Not everyone who chooses abortion is doing it for their own well-being. Sometimes the kindest, most loving thing parents can do is decide that the suffering of another person is not worth their own piece of mind.
[–]soitalwaysgoes 102 points103 points104 points 6 months ago*
The child is in constant suffering. Why would you elect to bring that child into the world? Edit: Punctuation
[–]maximilitia 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
This gentleman would like to have a word with you
[–]soitalwaysgoes 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
We're talking about the most severe case ever recorded.
[–]maximilitia 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago*
And?
EDIT: I don't assume to know her mind. I don't think anyone else should, either. People can and do have worthwhile, fulfilling lives in spite of handicaps, even severe ones. I'm not trying to be overly optimistic. I'm trying to make the point that no one can place a value on someone's life except the person themselves.
That having been said, the parents actually had no idea that the condition would be so severe before she was born. They knew something was wrong, but no one had a clue it would be like this. Don't be too harsh on the parents.
[–]wpiman 32 points33 points34 points 6 months ago
I am not sure I would, but it is not my, nor your, decision to make. If we allow anyone other than the mother to make that decision; it could get pretty scary.
[–]soitalwaysgoes 23 points24 points25 points 6 months ago
It's only a discussion of opinion. I would never try to impose a choice that personal on someone. I nonetheless still believe one is more moral than the other.
[–]vincentrevelations 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago*
She did not only decide for herself, but also for an (unborn) child without a voice. She knowingly forced this girl to be born in a world of incessant pain. That's child abuse as far as I'm concerned. (Not knowing about this at an early stage of the pregnancy would be a valid excuse, I'm not advocating late term abortions.)
She also decided for all Americans that they should pay to help raise her daughter. $1,000,000 a year, apparently. That's not normal even for a country with extensive healthcare. This woman would not have the opportunity to be "pro life" if it wasn't for her husband who's in the US Navy.
Edit: I read over the cleft plate thing. A cleft plate is not serious enough to abort, and probably way too common for further investigation. Post natal abortion was a hot topic on reddit a few weeks ago, I'll refer to those discussions since I have no grounded opinion on that subject.
[–]SAWK 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
She had a choice and that's what's getting glossed over in this thread.
[–]wpiman 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
So, we should make medical decisions on what it costs others? That goes against everything homo economicus stands for. When you go out on the company tab, you get lobster.
[–]Ran4 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
There is still a right decision*. But ultimately it's up to the could-be-mother to decide, not us. The decision has been made, and nobody here is going to change that.
That does not prevent us from recreating the scenario and argue what would be the right decision.
* to clarify why there is indeed a right decision that I think most will agree with me on: let's take an example where say person A wants to kill person B, and does that. Would this be okay just because person A decided this, even if person B or someone else (us!) decided it wasn't?
[–]Timmmmbob 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago
The thing is, when you have an abortion there's no way the baby is aware enough to care. And you can't say "Oh but the potential life was lost", because then you have to care about birth control, which is stupid.
So the only real "cost" is to the parent in psychological and physical (effort of pregnancy) terms. So in a sense I think it was extremely selfish of the parent not to have an abortion. She has inflicted a severely fucked up life on someone, just so she can feel good about not having an abortion. It's actually quite sick.
True, they are very much different concepts.
But the right to an abortion also means that you (as a would/could-be parent) have a duty to make the right decision, whichever that might be.
[–]GarryOwen 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
They were told she was going to have a cleft palate which is alot less extreme than what turned out.
[–]jshilk 57 points58 points59 points 6 months ago
I am pro-choice, but that entails the option of not aborting as well. I'm sure she will not have a normal life, but that does not mean that she will necessarily suffer throughout her entire life. If you actually look at the story she is able to function, albeit with health complications, but she is able to function nonetheless.
[–]caitlinreid 38 points39 points40 points 6 months ago
Yeah simply functioning is such a huge part of what makes life worth living. Since she can do that I'm sure everything will be fucking peachy.
[–]jshilk 33 points34 points35 points 6 months ago
When I said functioning, I meant that she was not sitting in bed at home living off of machines. I may actually agree with you if that were the extent of her functioning capabilities (i.e. basically just living). She is able to go into gymnastics and she communicates with her parents. The syndrome that she has mostly affects the shape of her head and causes cranial deformities. If you actually look up information about the disease, only about 5% actually have cognitive problems. She likely could be at normal to slightly below normal intelligence.
[–]patmcdoughnut 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Just look at Khal Drogo.
[–]swagtothemaximum 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago
False. Unless you did a specific genetic screen for this disease (Treacher-Collins Syndrome), it would not be diagnosed before birth.
[–]Aszuul 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago
the site says that the early ultrasounds couldn't find a stomach. they knew something was wrong, even if they didn't know exactly what, not finding at stomach on a fetus when there should be one is a pretty big deal.
[–]clockworkgirl21 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
They knew something was very wrong with her face at the first ultrasound.
[–]Cryptan 19 points20 points21 points 6 months ago
Yeah they look very cruel to me.
[–]arcanooito 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Thank you.
[–]RubyHagrid 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
I don't know if you would know or not...
Would the mother/doctors have know how severe the deformation would have been?
Some people who suffer from this syndrome have less noticeable feature changes.
[–]RubyHagrid 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Would the doctors have know the extent of medical needs?
No. They knew she had some problems, but it wasn't until she was born that the full extent was apparent.
[–]alot_to_say 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
http://www.treachercollins.org/tcs/About_Me.html
[–]Viperbunny 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago
There are times doctors do testing and it looks like something is wrong when there is nothing wrong. Sometimes the opposite happens. First 20 weeks, my daughter was fine. The doctor said she ordered a level 2 ultrasound because she was just a little small. By 26 weeks, when the level 2 was done, she was 2 weeks behind the growth curve, but that was it. The doctors started doing more scans and non stress tests every other day to make sure she was okay. At 29 weeks she wasn't moving around so they delivered her by emergency c section. She was 1 lb. 12 oz, 12 inches long. My husband was allowed to see her as they worked on her (she needed a breathing tube). When he came back, they were still closing me up. He didn't know if he should tell me something was wrong, and I insisted. She has a split finger on one hand, one foot had a big space between the big toe and the other toes with the middle toe fused to the the toe next to it, and on the other foot her middle toe was also fused but not as bad. We did not care how it looked, we were worried about how it would affect her mobility and if it meant something else was going on. This was a Friday, and the geneticist told us they couldn't do test until Monday and they test could take a few days to a few weeks to come back. We could see that he had something in mind, but he said nothing. We did our own research, but everything else seemed fine so we didn't want to believe the worst. Three days later we found out about the three heart defects. They had to let her grow before they could operate, if they could. We knew it was potentially bad. But her brain scan was perfect, no bleeds and the only thing that seemed to be on track. We didn't care what problems she had. She was ours and she was beautiful and we wanted her to live more than anything. On day six it all fell apart. She was not doing well and they were at the limit of what they could do. That night we found out what we feared, she had trisomy 18 also known as Edward's syndrome. She was not going to make it through the night. My husband and I had to make the hardest decision of our lives; take her off life support and hold her for the first and only time, or leave her on life support and hold her after she had passed. The life support would give her maybe an extra few hours, but we wanted her to know how much we loved her. Our families came in and said goodbye and after they left, my husband and I held our baby girl for the first and only time. She died peacefully in my arms as we sang her a lullaby. It was the most beautiful and horrible moment of my life. Six months later I am still trying to shift through all the hurt. One thing is certain. If I had known, I would have had her anyway. We all loved her. She was a real person. She fought so hard to live (most with trisomy 18 are second trimester miscarriages). She wasn't suffering, we never would allow that. She touch so many lives and knowing her changed me forever. These children are not monsters. My daughter had my husband's brown eyes and my sandy colored hair. She knew us, recognizing our voices, holding our hands, and paying such attention when we talked to her and read to her. She knew she was loved. And I would have given anything for more time with her. If she could have survived, there is nothing my husband, myself, and our families wouldn't have done for her. This is a decision that is very personal. I do not judge others for choosing abortion, especially with certain diseases that mean only suffering and pain. I just want to point out that it is not black and white. The love a parent has for his or her child is a deep emotion one cannot fully grasp until a person experiences it for his or her self. There is more to every story and love comes in many different forms.
Sorry for the lack of paragraphs and any error. This is a very emotional topic for me and I am crying too much to bother with grammar and the like.
tl;dr: There is more to every story and love comes in many forms. Don't judge people until you walk a mile in their shoes.
[–]Magmarizer 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
That was beautiful. I almost cried, and I am not one to get emotional.
[–]mmurdock91 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Agreed with Magmarizer...this was a beautiful post. You sound like a wonderful woman and my heart hurts for the loss of your baby.
[–]Viperbunny 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I appreciate that. It has been a hard six months, but I am grateful I met her. I wouldn't trade my time with her for anything. I don't think anyone thinks they can handle these kinds of things. About a year ago when I found out I was pregnant my worst fear was a miscarriage...it seems so naive in retrospect. People rise to be what they need to be. Love is an amazing thing and we do things for love that may seem impossible. Parents out there know you do what you have to for your child; things you wouldn't be able to do in any other circumstance you do because you don't know how to do anything else. Honestly, reddit has been wonderful. I did an ama about a month ago and talking to people who have gone through the loss of a child, seeing that they have found a way to go on and the beautiful ideas they have to honor the memories of their children has helped me in more ways than I can count. There are people who post insensitive, careless things, but there are also a lot of good people too. I always joke that at any given time reddit either makes me not want to live on this planet or renews my faith in humanity.
[–]Reckonerz 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Really? This is why we use the term "CHOICE". I don't understand why people think there is an automatic decision for allowing a fetus to come to term. There is no clear right or wrong answer. The only thing clear is that it is the parents' personal decision, and that is all.
For all we know, these parents could be more than willing to help and nurture the child in any way they can, and we need to respect that.
[–]Magmarizer 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
Obviously this mother loves her child because be it deformed or not, it is her child. Her creation. She took care of it for nine months in her womb, and she has a deep connection to it, because it is an extenuation of her. I fully support her right to abort if she felt necessary, but to claim it was a mistake to not abort it is revolting.
[–]Skellum 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago
If you choose to give life to something you'd best try and give it the best life you can. The choice of weather the featus should have been terminated was up to the parents. It belongs fully in their hands.
It is not up to us to determine if someone with a deformity should be born or not, its the choice of the parents. A living being wants to live, if we go with the soul not existing then she has one life to live, she may be as ugly as the kid from mask but she's alive and it's her right to experience it as she wishes.
Cruelty would be birthing her and then neglecting her. Aborting before birth would have been fine but again, parents decision.
[–]RobCo94 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago
Is it bad that I feel it's cruel that any seriously disabled person is born? By disabled I mean born with it. Like when you see the poor soul in the wheelchair with his hands clenched, unable to keep his head upright and making groaning noises. It's just not right and it makes me feel terrible when little kids who don't understand point and stare or get creeped out.
IMO I think it's cruel for that to happen :/ being confined to a wheelchair, unable to speak or live independently. It's horrible :/ I'd rather not live than that but I guess that's the whole argument, if THEY want to, but I guess they can't know better :(
[–]beliefsarerelative 17 points18 points19 points 6 months ago
I think it's hard to imagine what it's like to be disabled when you're not. But I known some severely disabled people, and the ones I have met all love life. Remember that even if we as abled people can't see it, those people have quality of life too. It's a tragedy that people are born with profound disabilities, but a testament to their strength that so many life with those disabilities, with courage and hope.
[–]Dburrito 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
I work at a camp with childern between the ages of 6 and 10 during the summer that have all kinds of mental and physical disabilities. Some of them are very similar to the child in photo, childern who were born without legs or arms or just bits and pieces of them missing. That said, they are some of the strongest people i have ever met. When I was there, I loved every second of it. It came to the point where I consider them family. As this is my 5 year going to do it, I can tell you that I am more excited to see them then they are to see me. That is the gift that these childern bring to everyones life who are near them, reguardless of their impairments.
[–]Chinamerican 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I agree with you. It's a tricky slope.
[–]Waffle_Bot 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
This post should just be titled "Opening up a can of worms."
[–]Gunnersandgreen 39 points40 points41 points 6 months ago
HEEEEEYYYY YOUUUUUUUU GUYYYYYYYSSSSSSS
[–]stilettopanda 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
This is unfortunately what I thought at first as well, after seeing the website, I kinda feel bad now.
[–]retrobuddha 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
all the baby wants is to feel the warmth of mom and you do it with a smile.. that's better than most of us could do..you are a wonderful woman
[–]callummmm 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
and off goes the pc..
[–]jaredletosimage 33 points34 points35 points 6 months ago
Look at Julianna Westmore's pictures online she enjoys gymnastics and outings with her family.. its hard to explain but it looks like she loves living.
R/wtf? I don't agree. R/inspirational? Absolutely.
(not sure if there is an r/inspirational...)
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 6 months ago
They are only showing you the relatively brief scenes where she's sitting by herself, playing, etc.
They don't show you what goes on the majority of the time, which is administering life support, feeding her through a tube, etc.
[–]DarthDonut 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I'm not sure that negates her enjoyment of the other activities. I think we'll probably never know how she feels.
[–]herpceptin 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
No to mention being ostracised by other kids her age, stared at on the street, wishing she looked like everyone else. Just because she looks happy with her family does not mean she is happy. She might be strong enough to deal with it but she shouldn't have to be.
[–]i_am_losing_my_mind 37 points38 points39 points 6 months ago
It looks more like she's having a difficult time living. All the surgeries, difficulty communicating, seeing, breathing, and numerous other problems. Let's not shit ourselves here.
[–]earthworms 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Okay, abortion is fine. If I had this child in my womb I would have opted for it.
But, I think even playing with the idea of euthanizing a child after it is born is disgusting. Fuck all you guys suggesting that.
Also, she looks a lot better. Still not 'normal' by any means, no, but she looks better. Her surgeries are actually effective, even at 8 years old. By the time she's 16, we can assume that she'll look even better.
Her childhood and middle school years are going to be hard. I have a cleft lip and palate, repaired at that, and those were the worst years of my life. I can't even imagine what she'll be going through.
You go, kid.
[–]GravyJigster 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago
after reading the comments here, I am very disturbed. to justify the death of a child based on her appearance or cognitive ability or simply the cost of keeping her alive is so....wrong. I understand that you might not want to live her life, but that is coming from the comfort of your own (relatively) secure lives. She seems like a happy girl, and I'm sure she's glad her parents chose life.
[–]Porkasaurus_Rex 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago
You guys are idiots. How about empathy and compassion. Someday you may find yourself needing some yourselves.
[–]helpadingoatemybaby 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Except this wasn't mocking the child. It was mocking anti-abortion nuts.
[–]Jumpy89 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
check the top comment again?
[–]xMcNerdx 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I looked at some of the pictures on the website and I find it amazing that this is what science can do to help us and I find it wonderful that she can enjoy activities with her family, but the fact of the matter is that she won't ever be able to fit into society. I mean, you see pictures of her at the beach or the park, and honestly I would not be surprised if people were terrified when they first see her. There are just some things where it's hard to debate one side or the other (this being one of them), but at the end of the day, is it really worth it? Going through millions of dollars for treatment and thousands of hours of constant care and surgery done by dozens of people. All for what? A couple's selfishness that didn't want to abort "God's gift to the world"? I mean
[–]Chinamerican 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
I have a cousin who has Down Syndrome and into his late 20s now, he still has to wear a diaper. However, his mother has devoted her life to taking care of him and she is a saint and I have no doubt she's already arranged for him after she's gone. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he's happy to be alive and that she loves him and is proud of him. We're not religious people but this child is hers and despite all of that, she felt compelled to carry it to term and has fulfilled her duty as a mother. Whether or not it was worth it or not is between her and her son.
Also, her husband is very bitter. He doesn't acknowledge this son and it's put a strain on their marriage but I don't ever think I've seen my aunt falter. I know it's been hard on her but she does continue to be an inspiration to me. She's also been a really good role model to another one of cousins (her niece) b/c said cousin's mom is a bitch. Quite often, I think of my Down Syndrome cousin as being incredibly blessed to have a mother like his.
[–]Ausei 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Downs is MUCH easier to live with than this.
[–]KC_Newser 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
This post fucking disgusts me. People calling for the abortion of a little girl who alive and well now. Sick.
[–]mjc1027 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
Whoever put this in wtf is an idiot, and anyone else who put funny comments or upvoted this is an idiot. You would understand if you were a parent, I hope to fucking god you don't have children.
[–]yarpsa 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I just came here to recognize that OP's username is embryo, and I support his/her right to not be aborted.
...only because s/he seems to be sentient and is already a redditor.
[–]ThatGuyRememberMe 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
She is smiling too big.
[–]SkyrimNewb 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
WHY THE FUCK IS SHE SMILING SO BIG?!??!
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I honestly don't get it...I think I would be crying or puking...or running away...
[–]marswithrings 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
[–]Scup 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I saw a show on this little girl. They reconstructed her face a lot but she still looks quite scary. She can't talk because her mouth is deformed but I believe she can do some sign language.
[–]Wine79 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
This whole thread inspired me to watch this episode of this programme. It's about people born with facial disfigurements and includes the perspective of a guy with Treacher Collins Syndrome.
Anyway, I think it's a thought provoking show and worth a watch.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/katie-my-beautiful-friends/4od#3188825
[–]HornyPoney 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
That's just sad.
[–]BobbyTrouble 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
ITT: Losing faith in humanity.
[–]tnick771 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
The fact that this traumatizing experience can be joked about on the internet like this makes me kind of sick. I can't believe how little compassion people have for the unfortunate.
I really do feel bad for all of Reddit... Grow up guys.
EDIT: I left FJ back in the days because it was getting overrun with stupid high school kids showing no remorse what so ever for their posting. Reddit is slowly but surely going down the same route unfortunately.
[–]j508 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
OP has an extremely relevant username
[–]stevejobsatemyliver 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
At least she has a sense of humor.
http://www.julianawetmore.net/photos/w_kendra16.jpg
[–]Kinyin 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
So they don't want you to abort, even if there are issues that would lead to a life filled with suffering and medical issues and possibly a shortened life. But once you are born, they will fill the room with machines to keep you alive, even though it isn't natural. That just seems to be somewhat hypocritical.
[–]WhoFan 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
This is one of those threads where I don't want to make an opinion at all - Either which way, loads of people are going to disagree with you.
[–]LaughingFlame 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
im normally against abortion.... but in some cases it may be acceptable
[–]frownykid 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I guiltily upvoted this.
[–]megatom0 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Fuck these parents.
[–]SekondaH 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I imagine, what would my child feel like in 14 years. In this case probably suicidal.
[–]blastwave 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
It seems most of you don't have kids. I don't believe in god. But any animal that can smile one time, I bet they would say its worth it. Pain with one glimpse of joy is better than complete darkness.
[–]Angelbabycakes69 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Quaid, open your mind...open your mind....
[–]pitlord713 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Death is so finite, where as life, life is filled with infinite possibilities.
[–]talkingspacecoyote 20 points21 points22 points 6 months ago
the most recent pic of her isnt that bad actually
[–]metacupcake 133 points134 points135 points 6 months ago
That is actually her adopted sister that has a less severe form of the same condition. This is a more recent picture. She is the one on the left.
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