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[–]dakana 306 points307 points ago

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Some people seem to believe that by owning a nook, I have burned all of my previous physical books and will never purchase a physical book again. And that I hate books.

[–]quikwon 41 points42 points ago

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It's not an entirely false stereotype....for every book I've replaced with an e-copy, I've given away my paper copy.....sorry /r/books.

[–]aussiekingaBatman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight - Travis Langley 80 points81 points ago*

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is this not a good thing? it allows someone else to read those books that otherwise they would not have had a copy of.

[–]TheAztec 22 points23 points ago

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And it saves trees!

[–]teemarkSnow Crash 52 points53 points ago

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Funny thing, trees grow back. Rare minerals used in modern electronics don't.

*Disclaimer - I love e-readers and gadgets, but work in the print industry.

[–]2mnykitehs 14 points15 points ago

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Thank you! Paper comes from sustainable tree plantations. The days of clearing forests for our paper needs are over. If you want an ereader, fine, but don't try to justify it by saying your helping save the environment.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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I've read that paper companies are the biggest planter of trees in the country. It makes sense, as they don't want to wipe out their source of business.

[–]SoyBeanExplosionAgamemnon 5 points6 points ago

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Most companies have a policy along the lines of "Cut down 1 tree, plant 2 more".

[–]OduseiThe Big Nowhere 4 points5 points ago*

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The days of clearing forests for our paper needs are over.

That's not entirely true. Kleenex rather proudly boasts about being made from a virginal forest somewhere in Canada. Greenpeace staged an anti-Kleenex campaign a few years back called Kleercut about it. At the time, Kleenex was shooting an ad campaign where a psychologist put a couch out on the street and interviewed passers-by trying to get them to cry on camera so that he could offer them a Kleenex. Greenpeace had some fun infiltrating these shoots by having members get called onto the couch and start bawling about Proctor & Gamble clear cutting Canadian forests.

EDIT: Kleenex is owned by Kimberly-Clark, not Proctor & Gamble. Sorry, my mistake.

[–]Caedus 1 point2 points ago

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That's hilarious.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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While it's correct that rare minerals used in modern electronics don't grow back, you only need one. For a long, long time. Many books takes many trees, and even if they are coming from sustainable tree plantataions for the most part, not all of them are. And any way you look at it, using trees to make paper kills trees, and trees don't exactly grow quickly.

[–]ewilliam 2 points3 points ago

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What about all the fossil fuels that are used to harvest and process the trees into paper? Do they grow back?

[–]TheAztec 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, I didn't know that. I hope all the people I've told that don't secretly hate me now.

[–]blondbimbo 5 points6 points ago

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Total side bar and I completely agree with your point...but I fucking love The Once and Future King and seeing it by your user name brought me so much joy, and I was compelled to share...so...carry on!

[–]aussiekingaBatman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight - Travis Langley 5 points6 points ago

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I'm all of 30 pages in at the moment... first time reading it after it has sat on my bookself for ages. Really looking forward to it.

[–]papadopusGod and the Folly of Faith/The Well of Ascension/The Stand/GEB 2 points3 points ago

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It's been sitting on my bookshelf for a while too now! So many books to read, so little time... :(

[–]onering 1 point2 points ago

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Wait, the flair is supposed to show what book we're currenly reading?

[–]aussiekingaBatman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight - Travis Langley 1 point2 points ago

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I'm not sure. It doesn't have to be that, but that is the way I use it.

[–]Visionism 1 point2 points ago

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That's what it's there for. Nice to have some evidence that it works!

[–]CodexAngel 99 points100 points ago

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Wait, that isn't a requirement?! Now I feel silly for having had that massive book burning party after I received my Kindle.

/sarcasm

[–]kateastrophic 137 points138 points ago

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So THAT'S why it's called a Kindle...

[–]EruonenA Song of Ice and Fire 96 points97 points ago

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It rekindled my love for reading. Not even lying.

[–]mandarinduck 21 points22 points ago*

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I used to enjoy paperbacks and audiobooks, now I enjoy paperbacks, audiobooks and ebooks. It's just widened my reading opportunities - I read more, not less.

[–]Zeulodin 10 points11 points ago

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Audiobooks really opened up a completely new chapter in my reading. I used to work in market research and during some projects my job was to mechanically work with an excel file for weeks at the time. I started listening to audiobooks so I won't go mad from the redundancy of my work. That about an year ago and I must have listened to more audiobooks in the meantime than I read in the previous three years. From the complete Harry Potter series read by Stephen Fry, to Murakami, Roth, Henry Miller, McCarthy to Stephen Fry's autobiographies, to Burrows, Ginsberg and Bukowski. Recently I started listening to school-related stuff too, like lectures on sociology and philosophy.

Also, after I quit my work to be an exchange student in a different country, I had discovered how much I enjoy listening to audiobooks while playing video games. Civilization V + Murakami, Mass Effect + Harry Potter, Risen + Discworld novels, King's Bounty + Roth, Morrowind + everything.

Basically audiobooks made books a bigger chunk of my life than before.

[–]rufensteinFoucault's Pendulum 8 points9 points ago

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Minecraft has been the perfect audiobook game for me.

[–]ishimeruJohn Dies at the End 3 points4 points ago

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You just wrinkled my brain. Thank you! I shall give this a whirl!

[–]koviko 1 point2 points ago

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That depends on how peaceful it is at the time. I can think of plenty of times in Minecraft where I doubt I'd be able to focus on anything once an Enderman or Creeper notices me in a cave.

[–]rufensteinFoucault's Pendulum 1 point2 points ago

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True, although there are many moments in Minecraft when you are doing a lot of mindless, repetitive tasks.

[–]koviko 0 points1 point ago

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Looks like I'm not the only one who actually enjoys farming in MC. :)

[–]kongholidayGood Omens 13 points14 points ago

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And for those that didn't pickup on the subtlety of the original Kindle, there's now the Fire... burn them now or the next version is like to be the Kindle Napalm.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Kindle Fire, for book burners like you!

[–]Aemulus 6 points7 points ago

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This is so true. I feel like kicking a hole through the chests of these people. "It's not a book if you can't touch it."

While I agree, feeling the pages in your hand is awesome, just because it is in eformat does not LESSEN it's value. Which is the idea, it's intellectual not MATERIAL.

[–]GrumpySteen 4 points5 points ago

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I've never understood those people. They go on and on about the smell and the texture of the paper. When I read a good book, I get lost in the story, not the paper that the story is printed on.

[–]Aemulus 5 points6 points ago

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This is what I say too. Their reply, "It's just not the same." Elitist asses. -_-

[–]starlingukASOIAF, Déja Dead 2 points3 points ago

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My ex did this. He kinda forgot he's not the only one in the house and that when he is using his Kindle, nobody else can read a book.

[–]jarxgPostmodern 139 points140 points ago

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I love my Kindle because it's the most practical thing ever for an avid reader.

I love real books because fuck you.

Thinking one is superior to the other is kind of silly.

[–]girlswlowselfesteemSmall Gods 53 points54 points ago

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John Green summed up my feelings on the whole debacle pretty neatly: "I don’t care how people read, I care that they read."

[–]BritishHoboOf Mice And Men 9 points10 points ago

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Great quote. Now I just wish /r/books would pay attention to that, only with 'I don't care what people read' instead.

[–]OduseiThe Big Nowhere 17 points18 points ago

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There's very little virtue in simply reading by itself. I hate the cultish nature of the literate to lump all reading together as an unequivocal good without respect to the nature or quality of the book. A fifty-year-old woman reading Twilight isn't doing her mind any favors, she's just enjoying a bit of girl porn.

People always say, "Well at least she's reading," as if there's some natural progression that leads from Stephanie Meier and Dan Brown to Immanuel Kant and Stephen Hawking, when in reality trashy books just lead to more trashy books.

[–]quellthesparkle 3 points4 points ago

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While I will not defend the quality of Twilight, I think it's important to remember that a lot of the classics today were popular fiction when they were published.

I actually get offended when people decide that it is their place to judge what I am reading and what 'good' it is doing for me. I read for fun. I read things that I enjoy, and screw anyone who decides that what I read isn't good enough to wipe their (his or her if we're being pedantic) ass with.

I read 'trashy' books. I like trashy books. They do not make me uneducated. They do not take away my intelligence.

And don't call Twilight, or romance novels (a genre to which Twilight doesn't really belong), "girl porn." I can't claim the quote is mine, but 'in my porn, people fuck.' I could write an entire essay about why romance novels are not 'porn for women,' but I'm not going to do that here. This blog post sums it up.

[–]YesImSardonicThe Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year, Vol. 6 0 points1 point ago

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And don't call Twilight, or romance novels (a genre to which Twilight doesn't really belong), "girl porn." I can't claim the quote is mine, but 'in my porn, people fuck.

Twilight is in fact porn, then, with a huge shitty buildup for an even worse payoff.

In fact, romance novels typically feature fucking. I don't see what exactly your objection is.

[–]quellthesparkle 0 points1 point ago

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Twilight contains no explicit sex. How is that porn? (I have read the first 3 books, and summaries of the final one. I am not a fan of the series)

Not all romance novels feature sex. Many subgenres do, but one of the most popular subgenres of romance is Amish romance (these are sometimes referred to as 'bonnet-rippers'). There is also a flourishing Christian romance subgenre, and certain types of contemporary romance do not feature sex.

The article I linked to discusses the portrayal of romance as porn especially in regards to the recent phenomenon of women reading the erotic novel 50 Shades of Grey.

Here is one quote from a very long post:

Yes, some romances are explicit and erotic and they do create arousal. But no, not all romances do, and thus romances cannot be accurately equated with pornography. Romances are not merely porn for women.

But as I was discussing with anyone who would listen to me rant, anyone who labels romance as "Porn" is most often being derogatory, because "porn" is also often declared bad, shameful, and something that ought to cause embarrassment. People say "porn" in the same tone of voice they'd use for the word "smut." And if women are indicating interest in pornography, that same derision is applied to them. "Nice girls" don't look at pornography and shouldn't do so.

(Link again)

The glib 'in my porn people fuck' quote was meant more in regards to Twilight.

I like romance because they tend to have great characters and I should be guaranteed a happy ending. (Perhaps not the best phrasing when defending against the sex charge.) Some romance novels are just good, regardless of what genre they are from. And some are bad, that's what happens when the market is so large.

Just out of curiosity, have you read a romance novel? And if so, which one?

[–]BritishHoboOf Mice And Men 2 points3 points ago

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Eh, I think I'm the opposite. I don't think it's great that people are reading because I think all books are incredible works of art, I think it's great that people are reading, because I enjoy reading, and I like that other people take enjoyment from reading. Say what you like about Twilight, but it makes me very happy to see somebody so invested in a series.

Oh god, this comment comes right after an absurd defence of Twilight in my comment history, I'm going to look like an insane fanboy.

[–]quellthesparkle 1 point2 points ago

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I feel really pretentious that every time I mention Twilight I feel the need to include the phrase, "I'm not a fan."

When I don't want to get into an argument about why I don't like it, I have to put on my vampire hipster fedora and say "I was into vampires before they were cool."

[–]OduseiThe Big Nowhere 0 points1 point ago

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Does a vampire hipster fedora have fangs on it?

[–]quellthesparkle 0 points1 point ago

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Ugh! Fangs are so 2004.

[–]Courstice 2 points3 points ago

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Twilight got me into reading because of how popular it got. I didn't like reading before twilight. Now, I am in love with reading and finishing a book every other week. Say what you want about the quality of twilight, but saying it only leads to trashy books is ignorant. It's a great gate-way book to youths you haven't fallen in love with reading yet.

[–]OduseiThe Big Nowhere 0 points1 point ago

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My point is that it's neither a good thing nor a bad thing that you're reading so much now. I imagine in 30-50 years, when video games replace film as the dominant form of entertainment, film buffs will console each other when their children watch Transformers and Jack & Jill by saying, "at least they're watching films."

What you read is far more important than that you read. It's perfectly possible to be smart, imaginative, and intellectual while barely reading any books at all, and it's just as possible to be a dumbass while reading a book a day.

[–]ColumbineCatholicThe Haunting of Hill House - Shirley Jackson 3 points4 points ago

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You're getting downvotes, but honestly - you're right. I'm 21, and everyone I know reads only young adult. They have no interest in anything other than young adult.

[–]LezzieBorden 0 points1 point ago

There's nothing wrong with YA, some young adult is really good.

[–]ColumbineCatholicThe Haunting of Hill House - Shirley Jackson 0 points1 point ago

Well.. I think there can be. Awesome name by the way - but I truly think Young Adult doesn't capture.. young adulthood.

My problem with young adult is that when I was a teenager Young Adult was a blip on my reading list. I spent my teens lost in the libertine poems of Rimbaud, the cruelty of Artaud and De Sade, the melodrama of Dickens, the brilliance of Wilde, the sheer poetry of Nabokov - I feel like your teen years are the time to discover the brilliant work of people who’s words have true depth of field. Your teens are intense, and I feel like Rimbaud and his arrogance or Nabokov and his beauty or even De Sade and his decadence capture the intensity and meaning that your teenage brain is craving far better than John Green or Maureen Johnson and they don’t use a thinly veiled video series that’s really marketing so you know about them. I remember when I found plays by Tom Stoppard and my teenage body was filled with ecstatic sparks, as I’d found someone who wrote dialogue like I felt it should be written. I’m not sure that those moments exist in young adult, which while not poorly written, it would be a push to describe it as well written.

I really think that YA can castrate you in terms of branching out as well. People get stuck in it and only read YA. It's ridiculous. YA should really be for anyone but teenagers. Teenagers should stick with intense and wild madness that can be found in other work. Just an opinion.

[–]061342 0 points1 point ago

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So you have let John Green in your life.

[–]sporkfiendThe Hammer and the Blade 10 points11 points ago

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This exactly, I was running out of space for books in my house and they were all costing precious gold, owning a kindle is a logical progression for someone who reads as much as I/most people here. Doesn't mean we hate books, just that we like to have 3000 of them in our pocket at once.

[–]Barrylicious 9 points10 points ago

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Gold? Put down the fantasy novels and slowly back away, you're in too deep.

[–]sporkfiendThe Hammer and the Blade 3 points4 points ago

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I am Titanius Anglesmith! Fancyman of Cornwood

[–]_meraxes 20 points21 points ago

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I know it's blasphemy but I don't particularly like real books any more. My eBook is so light, pages turn with a swipe of the thumb and the font is always the right size. Plus automatic bookmarks.

[–]FishbaitMoThe Brothers Karamazov 16 points17 points ago

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I totally agree. I'm in the middle of the Wheel of Time series right now, which is going to be 14 600-800 page books. It is SO much easier to throw my nook into my work bag than it is to haul a 4 inch thick monstrosity (or two if I'm close to the end of one!) every day. Plus now I can cross reference if they mention something I don't really remember from one of the other books since I have all 13 that are currently published. To me it's like complaining that people stopped carrying around cd's when mp3 players came out.

[–]santa4nt 1 point2 points ago

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More like vinyl records.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I just started the Wheel of Time series. I'm not one for fantasy, but I'm really enjoying it! And I'm enjoying being able to carry it on my Kindle. Going to be extremely handy when I go on vacation and will probably power through two or three of them.

[–]FishbaitMoThe Brothers Karamazov 1 point2 points ago

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Yes, ebooks for travel are the best! I remember going on vacation to Honduras a few years ago, and almost one entire suitcase was books for my husband and I. To think we would have replaced 30 lbs and a lot of volume with one tiny tablet... definitely better.

[–]in_SI_that_is 1 point2 points ago

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14 kilograms

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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If your husband is an avid reader I'd suggest two tiny tablets.

[–]FishbaitMoThe Brothers Karamazov 0 points1 point ago

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Unfortunately he's not. We were going on a long trip and were relatively secluded; just about all there was to do besides swim was to read. That's the only circumstance where he got anywhere close to what I would call an avid reader (although he has been getting better lately).

[–]vestahound 11 points12 points ago

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..Automatic bookmarks?! As silly as that is, that made me want an e-reader slightly more.

[–]silveraw 9 points10 points ago

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You know how as a kid and you were relaxing with some weighty tome and suddenly you dropped it. Then you were sitting there frantically hoping setting it on the spine would open it to the page you were just on? With an ereader, that is no more.

[–]EatingCake 3 points4 points ago

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...because when you drop an e-reader it breaks!

(Actually I'm very happy with how my nook was made. It has crumble zones made out of soft plastic that absorb the shock of it being dropped.)

[–]Rathum 2 points3 points ago

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I'm blessed with the ability to always open my books to the right page without using a bookmark or damaging the book. /flex

Seriously though, e-readers are convenient as fuck.

[–]silveraw 1 point2 points ago

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I sure could have used your powers when I was reading the belgariad as a kid. Of course I read the edition with 3 books in 1 volume.

[–]vestahound 2 points3 points ago

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I also have the worst luck in the universe and my bookmarks tend to fall out of my books.

[–]_meraxes 4 points5 points ago*

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Even if it runs out of power in the middle of reading it saves my place. I don't have a kindle, I've got some off brand one from China but I would assume the brand-name readers have this feature as well.

[–]Kale 23 points24 points ago

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Not only that, but the kindle saves your place, and if I open on my phone or a Web browser, it remembers the page I was last on. Then when I go back to the kindle, it updates to where I read on the other device.

[–]mimiginsA Game of Thones 8 points9 points ago

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There are no words for how much I love this. I can read on the bus on my phone, then continue to read on my Kindle when I get back. If I have my phone, I always have a book, and it's always at the right part. It's just the greatest thing.

[–]FantasysageDune 3 points4 points ago

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That is worth the price imho. Being able to read a book and at the drop of a hat stop and come back right where I was later is so worth it.

[–]ColumbineCatholicThe Haunting of Hill House - Shirley Jackson 1 point2 points ago

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I honestly have noticed two schools with this: There's people who go "oh my god, I hate real books now AUTOMATIC BOOKMARKS, WHOLE LIBARY IN MY POCKET, ITS THE BEST" - but I know an equal number of people (myself included) who since having a kindle have bought more "real" books than ever.

I actually don't like the reading experience on the Kindle. When I finish I don't feel like I've achieved anything. I don't feel any attatchment to the author. Its just words on a screen. It doesn't feel like a book.

I still feel eBooks are still in their infancy and right now, there's too much "REAL BOOKS ARE BETTER" and "EBOOKS ARE GREAT" on both sides for me to care. I used my Kindle for travel, real books for home.

[–]racherk 2 points3 points ago

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You summed up my feelings quite well. I've gotten rid of print copies of books that I own because of my ereader but I've also gone out and got print books because of reading them first on my ereader.

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[–]TechnoL33TPsychomech 16 points17 points ago

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Oral tradition.

Has words written on him.

[–]TheKnightofNew 56 points57 points ago

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Once you have an ereader, you never go back. I love physical hard copies of books (they look great on shelves, and the smell and feel of the pages can't be beat) but my reading has increased ten fold ever since I got my kindle. Being able to read anything, anytime, anywhere (while helping save trees) is amazing. I have my entire library of every book I've ever loved, books I'm currently reading, recommended books, and books I intend to read all in the palm of my hand, easily share-able with any of my friends. And, honestly, the speed and ease of getting an electronic copy has opened me up to books I have always wanted to read but have never gotten around to actually buying physically and reading. I'll always have a place in my heart for physical copies but, as of now, ereaders take the cake. (By the way this isn't pointed at anyone in particular, just thought I'd share my stance on it.)

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agreed. I love books but at 35 my eyesight is terrible, so having a kindle lets me set it to old man mode and read in jumbo font. Which means I can read for two hours at a time instead of 15 minutes out of a regular book. No more bright lights, no more headaches. And if you hate me for that then you're a hipster douche who likes the idea of reading more than actually reading.

[–]starlingukASOIAF, Déja Dead 0 points1 point ago

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Why don't you get (reading) glasses?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I already have contacts with a +6.5 prescription and my eyes get exhausted even with that.

[–]gone_to_plaid 0 points1 point ago

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+6.5... amateur! I can relate to your post.

[–]Dark_ph0enixMichael Connelly - The Black Box [ARC] 14 points15 points ago

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Are you reading House of Leaves on the Kindle? As much as I love my Kindle, and as much as I've defended the merit of the device [and others] it has to be said there are some books, due to the way they're presented, that I would imagine lose something being read on an eReader - House of Leaves being one of 'em.

[–]CitizenJakeHouse of Leaves 5 points6 points ago

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House of Leaves isn't on Kindle, and it never will be.

[–]Dark_ph0enixMichael Connelly - The Black Box [ARC] 5 points6 points ago

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I know two people who've read House of Leaves on an eReader. Why, I'm honestly not sure, but to each his / her own.

I assume you mean it won't be available legally.

[–]CitizenJakeHouse of Leaves 3 points4 points ago

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I should have specified that, yes.

[–]bayleoAccelerando 1 point2 points ago

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Maybe not in KF8 form, but there's no reason it couldn't be read on an eReader in some compressed image format (like a comic book).

[–]CitizenJakeHouse of Leaves 4 points5 points ago

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I could see that, but I feel it's most effective in book form. The electronic version would lose impact. Don't get me wrong, I love my kindle, but that book needs to stay in paperback form.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 1 point2 points ago

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Why?

[–]AniseSeed 10 points11 points ago

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Because of the way the book is formatted. There are pages with one word on them, pages that force you to rotate the book, and other printing oddities. As far as I know, it's not available on the kindle, at least it wasn't when I bought it a few weeks ago.

[–]TheKnightofNew 0 points1 point ago*

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Its pretty hard, because a lot of the stuff is really small. And I can zoom on other books...but for some reason not House of Leaves? Probably because it's like everything is an image, not actual text on the Kindle. This is the only book I've had difficulty with, and it's not all that bad.

[–]_meraxes 11 points12 points ago*

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Amen to that. I got mine last year and have since read many books that I'd previously put off. What's really cool is that the public domain classics are available, free of charge, and they're fairly well formatted. There were hundreds of books I always meant to read but never got around to; now I've ticked a great many off that list. I've probably read more in the last six months than I did over a two-year period previously, and I've always liked books.

Right now I'm reading the Grapes of Wrath and A Dance With Dragons. It's nothing to skip between the two and carry them both (as well as my entire library) wherever I go.

My only two negatives - my particular book doesn't use eInk so I can't read in sunlight. It also runs out of battery every 4 or 5 hours. It's a cheap generic model from China though, the brand-name ones might be better.

[–]Pedro9000ish 7 points8 points ago

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I agree with this for novels, for textbooks I still find it a lot easier to flick through to get what I want.

[–]Andybaby1Science Fiction 4 points5 points ago

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If there is a PDF available that is formatted correctly then I am in heaven, there is nothing better than than ctrl+f a text book.

Too bad we lost library.nu, because nobody provides these books legally.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 1 point2 points ago

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Apple just released a store for textbooks, my hope is just that most universities will use the service so it is actually useful to more than just a few niche places that decide to.

[–]ColumbineCatholicThe Haunting of Hill House - Shirley Jackson 2 points3 points ago

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Apple need people to have a IPad to use their libary - which is why I hope they don't.

Apple are basically saying "spend £500 and use this to read your text books", which isn't an option for poorer families. I come from a poor family, and I can afford second hand text books. I can't afford an IPad however. If univerties switch to Apple's store method - then what hope do poor kids like me have? :/

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 1 point2 points ago

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Most universities I know usually give you a laptop for the time you spend at the school (especially in more technical programs). It seems to me like this would work in a similar fashion.

[–]stygyanHenry Miller - Sexus 5 points6 points ago

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Grab an e-ink reader as soon as you can. They're pretty cheap and it's way better.

[–]Visionism 2 points3 points ago

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Depends on your circumstances. I hardly use my kindle and end up reading most of the time on my ipod touch. It has a great screen, it fits in my pants pocket, its backlit so I can read in bed without the light waking my wife and it can do a whole bunch of other things if I need it to. It just fits into my use profile better than e-ink.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 0 points1 point ago

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Other than the pocket thing, this is why I love my iPad. No more nightlights for reading when it's backlit.

[–]Barrylicious 0 points1 point ago

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God damnit do I love Grapes of Wrath. I envy you for exploring it for the first time.

[–]TheKnightofNew 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not sure how cheap yours was, but the Kindle 4 (which is the basic new model of Kindle) is the one I have and it's 70-80 bucks. Not cheap necessarily, and of course it doesn't have all the features of the other ones, but you can purchase books online through your Kindle, it uses eInk, and can still store a ton of books; more than you'll ever read most likely. The controls are a little cumbersome, but that's my only complaint about that, and a very minor one at that; it just gets annoying when you have to type something. Battery life also lasts for a 3 weeks to a month (for the average reader) on a single charge But yeah, if you ever get tired or fed up with your model, or just want to upgrade, definitely check it out.

[–]_meraxes 0 points1 point ago

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Holy shit 3 weeks to a month? Time to get a proper one.

[–]verbose_gent 3 points4 points ago

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I do both. The pricing on ebooks is really fucking wonky and I really enjoy certain books and want them to be physical. I can tell before I start if I'll want a hard copy for later. Also, ebooks tend to be more expensive than a brand new paperback from the same site. There is just something wrong with that.

[–]colormeplaidA Clash of Kings 2 points3 points ago

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I do both as well. Just because I have a nook, does not mean I don't still buy too many books at charity shops :)

[–]TheKnightofNew 1 point2 points ago

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The pricing is really weird. City of Thieves is one of my favorite books, and on Amazon it's like a dollar for a used copy of the book, like seven bucks for a new one, and for the ereader version it's 13.

[–]PsyanideInk 1 point2 points ago

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I recently described my kindle reading habits to a friend in this exact same way; it really does make it easier to read 10x more, and I love it.

I'll always love physical books, and continue to read them, but the Kindle is the workhorse when it comes to the bulk of my reading load. As an avid reader I can't imagine going back.

[–]BrynHavoc 1 point2 points ago

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I had fallen out of the habit of reading. I'd pull out a book and I'd get distracted or I'd fail to find a comfortable position and would only end up reading for a short period of time.

And I started looking into e-readers. I had no idea the kindle was so cheap. So I got it and I've already gone through so many books. I still buy physical books too. But it's so incredible to hear of a good book and make one mouse click and it's in my hand instantly.

Of course my book loving friends refuse to talk about it. It is so ridiculous. They treat it like I'm telling them I do cocaine all the time and they disprove but don't want to confront me.

[–]electricscream 1 point2 points ago

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I have to disagree. I have an e-reader, but I still read my hard copies of books. I just got a gorgeous leather bound edition of the Iliad and the Odyssey for Christmas and I love picking it up and reading it. Plus, I'm still a big fan of library books and I've been grabbing books out of there like they're going out of style!

With my e-reader, I moreso just like it because I'm living between two houses and it would be difficult to lug all my books from one to the other. It's convenient and I like the convenience, but it just doesn't compare to having the actual book in my hand. And even though I have my e-reader, I'm still dragging around piles of books all over the place, and I'm not ashamed of it! :D

[–]Bardlet 0 points1 point ago

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I thought I'd be like that, too, but I guess I'm really weird? Haha, I got a Kindle and my reading just dwindled to nothing. I put the Kindle away and brought out the physical book again, and I was right back to reading. I have no idea - because I really wanted to love the Kindle, I definitely have no beef with ereaders. -_-

[–]ColumbineCatholicThe Haunting of Hill House - Shirley Jackson 1 point2 points ago

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This, is exactly my point. People seem to either go one way or the other/

[–]dominic-cobbA Game of Thrones (Re-read) 115 points116 points ago

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Anyone who would get upset by someone else owning and using an ebook is an idiot. Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of people on this subreddit use one and it is not really looked down upon by the community.

[–]blackskull18 63 points64 points ago

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To a lot of people (many of whom subscribe to this very subreddit I bet) the whole notion of being a book lover has less to do with what's actually in the books and has more to do with the romantic imagery that comes with being a well read individual. Basically the aesthetics of "curling up" with a tattered and used book are more important to some people than what they're reading. This type of thing also isn't limited to just books either, it pops up with all kinds of stuff (video games, movies, shaving razors etc).

[–]mircius 31 points32 points ago

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Those people don't understand that for the rest of the world its very hard to find a book in english, and when you do find it it costs twice as much, and believe me, any person of any nation that speaks english fluently will never want to read an english book translated in his national language. Don't get me wrong, I do like books on a shelf, but when it comes to reading, I really don't care if the text is on paper or on an eink screen. Its like saying you will never watch a movie on tv because movies should be viewed only in cinemas.

[–]CatsRapeMe 7 points8 points ago

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Basically this. Stuff that has a recommended price of $3.50 on the cover could easily be $40-50 here. And French books are even more expensive for some reason, even if the author died a couple of centuries ago. Not to mention the selection is usually pretty poor, in the book store next to me it's all Le petit prince and de Sade for some reason, if I only read that, my French would be really, really weird.

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I agree, my native language is spanish but if I have to read a translated book that was originally in english it irks the shit out of me. What country are you from, by the way? Here in Argentina most books are actually cheaper in english than spanish.

[–]mircius 1 point2 points ago

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Romania. Its not only that but the translations are bad. You should never change a name, maybe say what it means the first time it appears in the book and let it be.

[–]TheKnightofNew 6 points7 points ago

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Damn man, well said.

[–]Visionism 5 points6 points ago

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Oh god. Don't even get me started on the whole shaving thing. There are actually shaving communities (Yes there are subreddits) I'm not saying the majority of people there are awful by any stretch of the imagination but let's just say that to be caught using a Bic disposable or can of foam is to invite withering scorn.

I think the problem isn't that ebook readers engender this sort of behavior but that some people are so insecure that they'll find a reason to be a snob about the most trivial things just so they can feel a fleeting sense of superiority. If it wasn't books it would be something else.

[–]dablya 6 points7 points ago

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You're not being fair to the "shaving community"... It's all about making something mundane more exciting. If you're not interested in treating it as a hobby, nobody is going to look down on you for using the most readily available cheap stuff that gets the job done.

[–]Visionism 5 points6 points ago

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Sorry, I realise I didn't make my position clear enough. As I said it's not even close to being a majority of the people there. My point is that there are always a few who choose to behave like that in any group of people and that the rare individual who does, always ends up getting the whole community tarred with the same (badger) brush. As with shaving, so with ebooks. 99.9% don't care what format you choose for your reading but its the snobbery of the 0.1% that sticks in people's minds.

[–]Barrylicious -1 points0 points ago

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Or... people glean enjoyment from different things and have different hobbies than you? Making the commonplace more interesting isn't worth the time and effort?

[–]GetsEclectic 1 point2 points ago

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[–]squashbelly 1 point2 points ago

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And photography. Especially photography. When digital was gettin into the hands of amateurs, old skool relics would clamor "it's not real photography" and now that everyone has a smart phone with instagram digital photographers cry "that's not real photography" all these scenarios just remind me of "back in my day grumble grumble grumble"

I like it all. I also have a book collection but I like carrying my iPad with me more than books. I have a record collection but I listen to mp3s. Oh the horrific blasphemy of progress!

[–]FantasysageDune 1 point2 points ago

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Kind of like the whole Vinyl vs CD thing.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, it is a lot about ritual and that before mobile devices you had to sit with headphones plugged into a stereo system in the living room to listen to an album and it is nostalgic.

[–]solidcat00 0 points1 point ago

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I love curling up with a tattered and used shaving razor.

[–]notanotherpyr0 22 points23 points ago

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...I THINK HE OWNS AN EBOOK GET HIM!

[–]mwalker_nzThrillers and Suspense - American Subversive 0 points1 point ago

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I share an ebook reader, this comic is pretty funny though.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago

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More money goes to the writer with ebooks. I'm all for them.

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[–]Humdinging 2 points3 points ago

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Wow I was completely ignorant of this.

[–]rasilvasThe Brontes - Juliet Barker 15 points16 points ago

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I'm slightly baffled as to why this comic spurned yet another debate over paper books vrs. e-readers when really it was just a silly comic drawn with the intention of making people smile

[–]Dark_ph0enixMichael Connelly - The Black Box [ARC] 3 points4 points ago

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Probably because of the way people use it - go browse the "real books" or "physical books" tag over on tumblr - you'll still find this posted a few times a week, usually with the following comment:

"Fuck eKindles - I keep it real mutha fucker!"

[–]rasilvasThe Brontes - Juliet Barker 3 points4 points ago

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But who cares really? Personally, I love physical books, for a multitude of reasons (none of which have to do with the story, obviously). But if I need to (for travel etc), I'll use an e-book. I completely see the benefits of having one.

It just seems like every time a love for one format is ever mentioned in this subreddit, countless people wade in arguing about why they prefer their format, when really nobody was saying that one is better than the other, it's a preference. It gets boring.

I always have an image in my head of wandering into a room and finding dozens of people arguing to a stone wall.

[–]SirChasm 5 points6 points ago

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Nothing could possibly be more hipster than ranting on tumblr about how you use real books over an eReader.

[–]Dark_ph0enixMichael Connelly - The Black Box [ARC] 6 points7 points ago

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The problem with that, is that "Hipster" has lost any kind of standard meaning. On tumblr the term "Hipster" simply applies to people who do something you personally don't like.

Hence why you'll see posts calling eReader users "Hipsters" within the same tag as people who call those who're against the technology "Hipsters".

It's one of those words that's lost any semblance of it's original meaning, especially on t'internets.

[–]Barrylicious 0 points1 point ago

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On tumblr the term "Hipster" simply applies to people who do something you personally don't like.

Same with reddit.

[–]YesImSardonicThe Best Science Fiction and Fantasy of the Year, Vol. 6 0 points1 point ago

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'Spurred', I think, is the word you're looking for. I was confused for a moment.

[–]nvsblLife of Pi 44 points45 points ago

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Show the creator of this comic some love: http://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/e-reader/

[–]TheHairyMan 14 points15 points ago

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[–]cdigioia 17 points18 points ago

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Somehow I always thought a "book" was the words, not the physical manifestation. If not, I need to unsubscribe from r/books.

[–]skysonfire 3 points4 points ago

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No, it's all about having things on your shelf that you can show to people to prove how smart you are.

[–]kongholidayGood Omens 3 points4 points ago

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I was in Hastings one time and I actually heard a guy ~20 yrs old ask the girl working in the book section what books he could leave around the house to make him look smarter. While that attitude definitely exists, I don't really think it exists in this sub.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 1 point2 points ago

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Really? because I read several replies to this post just above this one saying that "physical books make my bookshelves look lovely!" etc.

I see it a lot on this reddit, not to mention the 90% of posts on the frontpage are all images.

[–]kongholidayGood Omens 2 points3 points ago

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Just because that is a function of physical books, doesn't mean that's the whole purpose and shouldn't imply that that is the only thing people get out of them. I agree that physical books make bookshelves look lovely. But that's not why most people own books, and certainly not most people subscribed to a subreddit dedicated to the love of reading.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 0 points1 point ago

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I know that, I was just saying that this sub is kind of like someone going on facebook and liking the "I like reading" page and then posting memes to it. Sometimes there is some alright content in here, but the sidebar has some better subs.

[–]MivsMivs 8 points9 points ago

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I've never understood why people think I love booke less because I'll use every option available to read...

[–]writtenloudly 4 points5 points ago

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[–]jkb83Infinite Jest 1 point2 points ago

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Touch my Kindle and I will fucking end you

[–]LightofnorthInfinite Jest (2nd Reading) 2 points3 points ago

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As much as I love this comic, unfortunately I do feel the need as a subscriber to one of my favorite subreddits to point out that this is a repost from nearly 9 months ago

/thatguy

[–]Saybyetotheaccount 7 points8 points ago

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I love my physical books, the way they feel and smell, and how each one just sits differently in my hands.

But at the end of a day I'm an international student who in an itty bitty dorm room has 3 cardboard boxes filled with books already and it's not practical to keep shlepping them everywhere. My kindle lets me read anywhere, anytime, taking up hardly any space and I can get practically any book I like at a much cheaper price.

[–]FarewellOrwellA Farewell To Arms 8 points9 points ago

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An imgur picture made me think of this subreddit.

[–]bundtkateBrave New World 5 points6 points ago

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I love my "tree books" as a good friend calls them, my nook fits in my purse and I can carry as many books as I want everywhere I go AND I can download whatever book NPR was talking about as soon as I park my car. On the other hand, my nook was put out of commission by a bad software update when I wanted to read last night (though I fixed it after class today, thankfully) and my mom always makes fun of me when I have to "turn off my book" on airplanes. Plus, as a law student, I'm all too aware of what e-reader manufacturers can do to the authors and readers. All the same, I'd never give up my nook -- the advantages it brings at times are worth it.

[–]skysonfire 1 point2 points ago

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my mom always makes fun of me when I have to "turn off my book" on airplanes

You actually only need to turn of the wi-fi/3G, you can still read.

[–]alchemie1Q84 3 points4 points ago

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Try explaining that to the flight attendants, though.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 1 point2 points ago

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When you take off they ask you to put everything down so that you can watch the safety demonstration for the 6000th time.

I am flying out of Australia tomorrow morning and have been on several airlines in the past couple of months and they all do this; it's incredibly frustrating.

They also ask you to remove headphones unless they are earbuds. Ugh.

Edit: Of course, I just ignore them and when they leave I pickup where I left off.

[–]tristamgreenFantasy | ASoIaF: ASoS 3 points4 points ago

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The top five thread-starters in this post are dead-on. Nothing to add, except "fuck elitists of any kind".

I used to work in the paper industry. A failing paper industry, mind you, because of things like e-readers. Our CEO was an early-adopter of the Kindle, the iPad, and current tablet tech in general. Our OWN Chief Executive Officer, who is charged with banging the proverbial drum of paper.

Nobody gave him shit (at least to his face) about owning or using one.

However, when I bought my Kindle 3G and would read it at lunch, no fewer than twice a week I'd have some smartass sycophant remark that I should lose my job for being a traitor.

Fuck snobs, I'm reading while they're kissing ass.

[–]mdigirol 2 points3 points ago

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No one should be shamed for reading, whether that be with a physical book or an e-reader.

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I thought I liked physical books more than ebooks until I realized I could read books from my iPhone, something I carry around everywhere everyday. Reading is now something I don't have to premeditate. During, before and after any given activity I can read without having to carry around a book.

Books look great on a shelf but I don't want to have to carry one around on the off chance that I'll get a chance to read it while doing other shit. Also I can get them instantly, they book mark themselves and I can read them in the dark.

[–]Frostbeard 2 points3 points ago

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The lack of premeditation is exactly why I love e-readers. I can fill up random lulls with reading on my smartphone or kindle, and I'm finding that it's making me a much more voracious reader. I have a huge backlog of books to read, and for the first time in my life at age 33 I feel like I'm making a dent in it. That can only be a good thing, and it's all thanks to e-readers.

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I always said I would never in a million years own an electronic reading device. I recently got an iPhone that has ebook-reader-capabilities and it hasn't been a million years yet... something is wrong with the time-space continuum.

[–]myheaditches 3 points4 points ago

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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Okay, it's decided... I cannot put off watching Doctor Who any longer. Thanks for being the final straw.

[–]PotentiaThe Lord of the Rings 1 point2 points ago

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I thought for sure that I would never get an e-reader. I am a bibliophile, and even though I have three tall bookshelves (full of books) smooshed into my one bedroom apartment, I was forced to leave quite a few boxes of books at both my in-laws' and my parents' houses. Now, whenever we "declutter" and have more space, all I can think is, "Ah, here is another place for a bookshelf!" I received a Kindle Fire for Christmas and was completely ready to pretend to like it, but read my physical books in secret. However, once I saw that I can get many of the classics for free within seconds, I could not put it down. Not only is it convenient, but it has saved me a lot of money, because I can get the free e-books from Amazon or borrow them from the website of my public library. I even found a website where you can borrow books that other people have (as long as you are lending as well). The name of the website is lendle.me for any of you who have Kindles...

[–]AlfroSword Art Online Volume 2 5 points6 points ago

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That's like saying you don't like the content of the book but the physical appearance. In that case get an ereader, customize it, get lots of free books and buy the others for a cheaper price, get recommendations on books for you (inlcuding top charts in many different genres), be able to get books you want at the time instantly, have a dictionary at all times with bonus features like the x-ray and then just keep a physical book next to you so you can smell it and shit.

[–]ThebaconbullDark Tower, 8/10, part 4, halfway 2 points3 points ago*

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I bend and fold the corners of my books' pages, I write in the margins, I spill coffee and food on them, I highlight stuff. Generally I have no relationship with the paper and binding - it's just a container. The real magic happens in my head. However I find that E-readers are still inferior in their readability, but I'm sure that will change soon though.
Edit: Oh, I just love how some of you guys think. Downvote the guy with a different perspective, silly circlejerkers.

[–]HelterSkeletorThe Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson 1 point2 points ago

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It's more that most of those things are all possible in most e-readers. and I don't exactly know what "readability" means to you, but I can read paper or an LCD screen just fine.

[–]ThebaconbullDark Tower, 8/10, part 4, halfway -1 points0 points ago

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I can read them just fine aswell, however the physical handling of a book is more comfortable. Plus ink and paper are easier on my eyes at this point, or atleast compared to the last e-reader I held. Much easier to open where you left off, skib to previous sections - going back and forth etc As I also pointed out, I like bookmarking, scribling and underlining stuff, which also seems easier in a physical book.

[–]coderjoeThe Wise Man's Fear (The Kingkiller Chronicle Day 2) 0 points1 point ago

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Just out of curiosity, what model was the last e-reader you held?

Mine is an e-ink device, the type and look of the page looks almost entirely indistinguishable to my physical book's pages . As far as picking up where I left off, the device keeps track of that for me. I turn it on and I'm on the last page I read. If I'm reading multiple books I just chose the book I want to continue and I'm on the same page I left off on.

Creating bookmarks is almost too easy on my e-book reader. I tap the top of the screen and a bookmark appears. That said, returning to a book mark if there are multiple in a book, taking notes, and underlining (or highlighting in my e-reader) are much more intuitive in real books in my opinion.

I'm just curious what the last one you tried was and if you've compared LCD based e-book readers to e-ink.

[–]kongholidayGood Omens 0 points1 point ago

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Hey man, I'm right there with ya. I have an ereader, and I use it a bit, but no tech is ever going to replace physical books completely IMO. I never have to charge a book...

[–]twizzalsticksZen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance -1 points0 points ago

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I find it ironic that the person supporting "real" literature (books) can't spell "for" or "life" correctly.

(Yes, I am aware that the misspelling is intentional and that it's part of the joke.)

[–]jaynoj 0 points1 point ago

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Analogue all the way.

[–]6t6d6 0 points1 point ago

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It's how he rolls.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Bookist Extremism!

[–]nobes0 0 points1 point ago

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For me, it's a matter of logistics. I've moved every year for the past 8 years or so, and as much as I love my collection of books, they're an absolute pain to move. Moving to Chicago, though, where space will be more of a premium than in Indianapolis, I just can't rationalize the practicality of all those books, which is why I've come to love my Nook, not as a replacement, but as a more practical alternative for my life.

That being said, there are a number with sentimental value that I will be holding on to...

[–]shaagnik 0 points1 point ago

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I'm glad to see some people like me here who LOVE ("real") print books but also love e-readers. I find my kindle easier to use in bed, and if I'm traveling for any extended amount of time I like to have more books than I can feasibly carry.

[–]opticonA Princess of Mars 0 points1 point ago

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I have never known this subreddit to be particularly biased against electronic media.

[–]Clairewalsh 0 points1 point ago

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Haha! I know those kinds of folks!

[–]ishimeruJohn Dies at the End 0 points1 point ago

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Whenever I really enjoy a book on my kindle, I re-buy it in hard copy so that I can re-read it to make a memory of the the way the book smells and feels in my hands as I am swimming in the words.

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One Love! *peace sign to my heart, pour out a forty for all the dead books *

[–]jidar 0 points1 point ago

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We romanticize books don't we? From the oh-so-satisfying creek of the binding to the interesting and varied textures of the paper they're printed on, but at the end of the day it's the words that matter and everything else is just a different media format.

The additional convenience and ease provided by ebooks more than make up for the downsides. Someday perhaps people will romanticize their black and white Kindles.

[–]rmeddy 0 points1 point ago

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Reminds me of an aphorism by Nassim Taleb

They read Gibbon’s Decline and Fall on an eReader but refuse to drink Château Lynch-Bages in a Styrofoam cup.

[–]blancseing 0 points1 point ago

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My love affair with books began when I was very young. I was getting through as many as 5 books a day in middle school. Unfortunately I had a difficult time letting any of them go, so I amassed an unreal amount of books. Fast forward to moving out... Ridiculous. I sifted and trimmed and removed, but still I have 3-4 bookshelves 3 layers deep in my tiny apartment. In response to this (and other collecting habits I suspect may be a side-effect of growing up poor) I've taken on a minimalism challenge! I would be entirely incapable of this without my Kindle, so for that I'm thankful.

[–]ra_grandScience Fiction 0 points1 point ago

I think this is a stupid comparision. E book readers are the best instead of carrying around compostable books

[–]aliaschaseNight and Day by Virginia Woolf 0 points1 point ago

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I found this hilarious! It's hipster book guy.

[–]DiggerPhelps 0 points1 point ago

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[–]audiofreedom -1 points0 points ago

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I can't get down with ereaders. I don't even have a smart phone yet....Maybe when I'm rich it will be more appealing.

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[–]audiofreedom 4 points5 points ago

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I didn't mean rich as in actually rich, I meant it as having extra money. $80 is beyond my range.

[–]CrrackTheSkyeHans Christian Andersen -1 points0 points ago

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Hahaha :D

That actually made me laugh out loud XD

[–]al0newestand -1 points0 points ago

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Why? Plenty of use use and enjoy e-readers here. Using a physical copy is luxurious, using a reader is convenient.

[–]_meraxes 7 points8 points ago

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I'm going to assume the artist also likes ebooks, as the cartoon is of a douche with a misspelt tattoo.

[–]EruonenA Song of Ice and Fire 9 points10 points ago

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Not to mention the comic isn't on paper.