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[–]nybo 2 points3 points ago

How come theists tend to be math atheists? And atheists tend to rely heavily on math based arguements?

You cannot explain that.

[–]Dorian182 1 point2 points ago

I'd say I'm an agnostic math atheist. I accept it doesn't 'really' exist, but I'm open to it working (Maths that is). I'm 100% regular atheist.

[–]StreetsofGalway 1 point2 points ago

Is math a science? I've always thought of science as being like applied math.

[–]Pheonomenal 1 point2 points ago

Mathematics is pure.

Physics is applied mathematics,

Chemistry is applied Physics,

Biology is applied Chemistry,

I Could continue the chain but it gets a little convoluted from here on in.

[–]StreetsofGalway 1 point2 points ago

[–]Pheonomenal 1 point2 points ago

Yes, except I (physics student) have a great deal of respect for mathematicians. Then you could argue

Economics is applied sociology

And can't think of anything you can accurately describe as applied economics. . . . . .

[–]StreetsofGalway 0 points1 point ago

Also,it could branch off at other parts.For instance,medical science could be applied biology.

[–]Pheonomenal 1 point2 points ago

Yes, it could, anothe example;

Electronics is Applied Physics

Computing is applied electronics

Programming is applied computing. (in a way)

It branches off quickly. In many different places.

[–]etandel 1 point2 points ago

Computing is applied math; it is all about algorithms and one does not need electronics to perform them (e.g. you could do them by hand).

[–]Bloodshot025 0 points1 point ago

Programming is applied logic.

[–]00ubermensch 1 point2 points ago

It's true that something like "1+1=2" is not a true statement a priori, it's a consequence of logical extensions of mathematical axioms ("assumptions"). However, in the case of arithmetic (though not necessarily other branches), these axioms are designed to approximate our experience with the physical world, and consequently the system which arises from them is capable of making successful predictions about the world. This is what separates it from religion in this respect.

[–]breaking_bark 0 points1 point ago

That's what I was getting at when I said it was not remotely amusing or even witty when I read it. Because mathematics is a practical approximate of our experience with the physical world. You actually put it quite eloquently.

[–]breaking_bark 0 points1 point ago

This comic is fucking with my mind. Faith and miracles equal religion? Am I getting really stupid because i didn't find this funny?

[–]monkeedude1212 0 points1 point ago

Faith and miracles equal religion?

He's basically stating that believing in mathematics as a truth requires the same amount of faith that believing in God as a truth.

I found the humour more to be in that it shows how bad the school system is at teaching math. Often you are TOLD that 1+1=2; you are not forced to come to that conclusion that for yourself. Elementary Science classes often have you perform a lab experiment where you hypothesize something first then test to see if the results come out as expected.

[–]breaking_bark 1 point2 points ago

Still doesn't make sense to me. Sure take faith in one plus one equals two when you are 5, but if I held up one hand and then held up another single hand and called each one 'hand' then I put them next to each other and called them 'hands' as the two combined, I think it is pretty irrefutable. I think math is grounded more in functionality and practicality than faith.

[–]monkeedude1212 -1 points0 points ago

The fact is that you have to accept that there is a concept of 1 and 2 before you can apply Math, just as one has to accept there is a God before he can follow the religious teachings of the God.

Can you prove to me that the #1 exists, without using any mathematical terminology? Pluralization is largely based on "1 or more"

[–]breaking_bark 1 point2 points ago

I thought my hand example was fairly clear. But if a hand doesn't count as non-mathematical terminology 00ubermensch below says exactly what I mean.

It's true that something like "1+1=2" is not a true statement a priori, it's a consequence of logical extensions of mathematical axioms ("assumptions"). However, in the case of arithmetic (though not necessarily other branches), these axioms are designed to approximate our experience with the physical world, and consequently the system which arises from them is capable of making successful predictions about the world. This is what separates it from religion in this respect.

[–]monkeedude1212 -1 points0 points ago

It's true that something like "1+1=2" is not a true statement a priori, it's a consequence of logical extensions of mathematical axioms ("assumptions"). However, in the case of arithmetic (though not necessarily other branches), these axioms are designed to approximate our experience with the physical world, and consequently the system which arises from them is capable of making successful predictions about the world. This is what separates it from religion in this respect.

The religious would argue that their religion makes successful predictions about spirituality. In the idea that if you pray for answers you may receive answers, and if you don't receive answers you aren't praying properly, just like if you don't receive the correct answer with mathematics it is a calculation error. While it's easy to show the practical applications of mathematics, because as stated it is meant to deal with experience in the physical world, the religious deals with "the spiritual world" and as such their predictions deal with "spiritual aspects". A bunch of bullocks, I know, but that's the basis of the comparison.

[–]breaking_bark 1 point2 points ago

Oh MY... you really had me thinking you were a nut job until I read "bullocks".

[–]kabaki 0 points1 point ago*

This is meant as a joke on us. It´s a misinformed parable to when Atheists try to not be forced to saying "under God" in school or similar situations. Some priests lie and say that atheists won't let their children learn about the bible, and i think that it is this misinformed kind of lie that is the reason behind this joke. I do not find it funny, but because it is a bad comparison, since you actually learn something from math, and second because Atheists don´t censor knowledge about religion from there children, but teach them, opposite of that this joke would suggest.

[–]SimilarImage 0 points1 point ago

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1 month Justkaileah Ochem Atheism here 7 1
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[–]tha_a 0 points1 point ago

oh calvin and hobbes :')