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[–]Puffy_Ghost 3 points4 points ago

Gotta love Rorschach.

[–]mrjaksauce 2 points3 points ago

What is this from?

[–]janyk 4 points5 points ago

A graphic novel called "Watchmen"

[–]BEAVERWARRIORFTW 2 points3 points ago

I think it is from the watchmen movie.

[–]ChaosRobie 2 points3 points ago*

I think this exact quote is from the movie. It's still in the graphic novel, but it's phrased slightly different.

[–]BEAVERWARRIORFTW 0 points1 point ago

Alright sorry I never read the novel.

[–]Roflpumpkin 1 point2 points ago

Too bad he liked Reagan

[–]cruxix 1 point2 points ago

Unless God is a dog....

[–]MegaZeusThor 1 point2 points ago

Indeed. Whether a deity exists or not (unlikely), we still make our world pleasant or unpleasant to live in. Our actions and decisions carry consequences.

[–]Dystopeuh 1 point2 points ago

This image (and quote) would be just as at home on r/Christianity, I think.

[–]cahkontherahks 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, you know us humans and our original sin. God is perfect in everyway, eventhough he created a universe where is is possible for children to get raped.

[–]Dystopeuh 1 point2 points ago

"Original sin" is a Catholic thing, not a universally Christian thing.

[–]cahkontherahks 0 points1 point ago

Right, well, it is a Bible thing.

[–]Dystopeuh 0 points1 point ago

The Catholics do all sorts of things that have nothing to do with "the Bible." It's just tradition. Like the Hail Mary thing... that's not in the Bible, not even inferred or anything.

[–]cahkontherahks 0 points1 point ago

Oh really? Did not know that. You learn something new everyday. Thanks for sharin'

[–]Dystopeuh 0 points1 point ago

Yeah... it's seriously bizarre. But that's why you'll hear some Christians (usually protestants or some variation, naturally) say, "Catholics aren't Christians" or something of the sort.

[–]cahkontherahks 0 points1 point ago

Ahh gotcha. Isn't that a bit pretentious though? Seems like a no true scotsman fallacy

[–]Dystopeuh 1 point2 points ago

That's the second time someone's said that to me in as many days... I seem to really like that fallacy.

Yeah, probably. But... they do believe some very different things. I see it almost as saying Mormons are Christians. What's the criteria for being a Christian? Believing Jesus is the son of god, died for your sins, yadda yadda. Mormons believe that, Catholics believe that, Protestants believe that. But Mormons believe that you get a planet after you die, Catholics believe in something called "purgatory" where you might have to go for an undisclosed amount of time because your sins aren't automatically forgiven (or something, my Catholic knowledge is REALLY patchy), and Protestants believe that if you believe in Jesus you get to go to heaven automatically.

It would be really fun to draw a pie chart with those three...

But that's where the argument comes from. So now if you hear someone say that, you know where they're coming from. :)

[–]cahkontherahks 0 points1 point ago

Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up!

[–]DizzyEwok[S] 0 points1 point ago

That was the idea, it's got a double meaning.

[–]the_mad_felcher 2 points3 points ago

from the good book

Existence is random. Has no patterns save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not god who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us.

[–]witty_name_here519 1 point2 points ago

This quote has been reposted so many times, but I love it more every time.

[–]Isayimanatheist 0 points1 point ago

Since it's a repost.( assuming they are slightly different) couldyou tell me what this is from?

[–]SlaughterMeister 5 points6 points ago

The Watchmen. Rorschach is one of the greatest characters in all of comics. This comes from the movie adaptation, though.

[–]Isayimanatheist 0 points1 point ago

Thank you, mr kind sir.

[–]witty_name_here519 1 point2 points ago

I'm not exactly sure, it's from a book of some sort. I had a discussion about it but the post was deleted so I really don't know.

[–]Isayimanatheist 0 points1 point ago

Well, have an upvote anyway.

[–]ashman89 0 points1 point ago

whatever man does he will be accounted for by God accordingly. However if there was no God in theory man has the possibility to commit endless amount of sin without knowing what it means to be truly good or bad. Seeing as man will always be fallible.

[–]ChaosRobie 0 points1 point ago

If there is no god than there is no sin.

[–]ashman89 0 points1 point ago

so who defines what is good or bad? man cannot define it seeing they are already fallible.

[–]ChaosRobie 0 points1 point ago

Fallibility only exists in the bible. If there is no god than absolute morality in the form of a deity does not exist, leaving only man to create morality.

[–]ashman89 0 points1 point ago

So if there is no absolute morality what moral code would you follow? What influences you to be the "good person" that you are or aspiring to be?

[–]ChaosRobie 0 points1 point ago

There exists a whole branch of philosophy called ethics that tries to answer these questions.

To simply say that morality comes from a book that can be and has been interpreted in thousands of different ways, is just silly.

[–]ashman89 0 points1 point ago

That is true following basic is essential for every man living on this earth. But to live your life only the basis that you decide what is right or wrong (following ethics) is deeply flawed in theory, as there would be no end to how bad you can be. For example, If a man were to kill someone, he will ;overtime have an element of guilt for his action and would find a way to comfort/convince himself and say "you know what I know someone that killed 10 people so its not soo bad and im a good person, i gave to charity i didnt harm that person intentionally". But you will find another person who killed 10 people would convince himself its not so bad and will say "i know someone that killed 100". My point is simply following these ethics means that no one can really define what is really bad. And thus there can be no limit to how bad you can be.

[–]ChaosRobie 0 points1 point ago

You've found one answer to your own question then, haven't you?

[–]ashman89 0 points1 point ago

well yes i partly with you in regards to following ethics. But the other point i'd like to make is the selfishness of simply following ethics.

Living your life simply on the basis on "being a good person and not harming others" not only by virtue is deeply flawed, but also has a selfish undertone to it. e.g " I wouldn't steal from a person because i wouldn't like it if someone stole from me" or to give to charity, because if i were poor i would expect people to help me and treat me with kindness. Because in this world there are two types of good (one which you mentioned which i agree on):

First is "ethical good" (the golden rule: do to others what you do to yourself). So that can include: "im good to my neighbour, i dont cheat, im honest in my business, i don't steal, i do not cause any harm to people" these are good ethics.

the second type of good is "Religious Good" (i'll use Islam as an example) for a Muslim to be religiously good, he must pray 5 times a day, fast ramadan, do the pilgrimage to Mecca and believing in one God.

In every society you will find one group who will simply follow ethical goods (being good to your neighbour and so on not harming others, not stealing) but does not follow the religious good. (people who have no religion). And on the other extreme (some muslims are at fault in this i have to admit) you will find muslims who will act on their religious good which is praying 5 times, fasting ramadan and so on. However but turns out he is immoral and ethically bad. E.g. He cheats in business, he is dishonest, he steals, even the recent shooting in Toulouse France, if the man turns out he is a muslim and killed those jewish children that would be extremely unethical (despite the fact he may pray and so on). It is an extreme example but i hope you understand my point i'm trying to make

Thus living your life simply on the basis on "being a good person and not harming others" not only by virtue is deeply flawed, but also has a selfish undertone to it. e.g " I wouldn't steal from a person because i wouldn't like it if someone stole from me" or to give to charity, because if i were poor i would expect people to help me and treat me with kindness. Just like if a muslim would only follow the golden rule would be deeply flawed, as he MUST apply both principles (religious and ethical good) in order to be a universally good person speaking.

By virtue, if a muslim would apply the golden rule to the 5 a day prayer, "I would pray because he wouldn't like it if someone else prayed?!" it does not make sense. Praying is something you do for god and god alone hence the religious good differing greatly from ethical good in addition to being unselfish as opposed to ethical good.

With regards to your point on the burden of sin, you believe it does not exist. So if a man would commit a "sin" or commit an act that would go against the moral ethics, because sin does not exist by virtue they are immune to after-life punishment so they will only be accounted for their actions only in this life while they are alive. (e.g going to prison for drink driving, being fined for consensual sex of 2 or more people in public). With regards to alcohol we can acknowledge it is bad for you health wise and has an even higher risk when consumed while driving. Assuming that you drink yourself and that you are a responsible drinker, you will think to yourself "hey alcohol may be bad for your health, at least i don't get pissed everyday and beat my wife when i get home" or "at least i get pissed out of my head but I go drive a car".

The main point i am trying to make is that in essence if you follow your own sense of good or the ethical sense of good. if you define what is good for yourself, Than there can be no limit to how bad you be (by virtue), because in this world you will always find someone that is worse than you. And surely someone must draw the ultimate line of morality for human being to follow instead of human beings clashing with each other on what is good, when they themselves are not perfect.

So in conclusion correct of im wrong but no man has proven to demonstrate a level of morality and ethics that would suit every single human being on this planet as of today. Therefore my logicis to use people in the past as examples to follow in how they lived their lives until their deaths. Surely you would follow the advice of a person who not only was leading by good example but learnt from their mistakes as they got on with their lives until their death beds. Maybe the teachings of jesus, Muhammad (pbuh), Moses, Noah all the prophets may be the best example to follow in terms of the ethical goods they have commited in their lifetime (ignoring their religious good), instead of following an ongoing moral code to which you are not sure how it will be changed in the future, because you, me and every other living man on this earth will never find the ultimate ethical code due to our weaknesses and selfish desires.