Imagine no religion.

SirHagbardCeline · 5 months

I hate this picture. Sure, religion was involved in 9/11, but to pretend that the antecedents to the attacks were solely based on religion, with no consideration of the complex political, economic and military factors contributing, is wrong. It is quite possible that without religion, the world trade centre attacks would still have happened.

FahmuhA · 5 months

Whenever I see this picture, I imagine a mushroom cloud from a nuclear bomb with the caption: "Imagine no science."

CharlesDingus · 5 months

What the fuck is this shit doing on the front page? Do you really think it's that simple? Do you really think that if there were no religion we wouldn't find something else to kill each other over?

jkt0z · 5 months

Money is what creates the horrible events that happen around the world. Religion is merely a tool to brainwash people into soldiers. And it's by no means the only method to brainwash.

sokratesz · 5 months

Imagine no reposts <empty frontpage>

phoncey · 5 months

If there was no religion we would be killing each other over what brand of cereal is the best to eat, or something equally meaningless.

eafkuor · 5 months

fucking enough with this shit come on

hunkofmonk · 5 months

Yep, because 9/11 was a totally random, purely religion-based attack that was in no way provoked by the West.

squigs · 5 months

Structural engineering was probably given a substantial push by medieval architects building those huge cathedrals. Were it not for them, we'd probably still be developing the technology for such huge structures.

Taco144 · 5 months

This is stupid, human ignorance is the reason religion is used for violence. If there's no religion this type of thing would still happen wether it'd be for racial regional, or social difference.

ValidusVoxPopuli · 5 months

Wish I had a dollar for every time this was reposted.

RedDrape · 5 months

Humans would find something different maybe even worse than current religion

losermcfail · 5 months

Yes, the religion of central banking does cause emergency demolitions sometimes, when certain dominant themes require it.

Or is it that it takes some kind of religious belief system to believe in magically disappearing welded steel building cores?

fugelthang · 5 months

Yeah, this is not that inspiring when you consider the insurance payoff Silverstein received.

bagelpusher · 5 months

Imagine higher image quality.

Mumberthrax · 5 months

This is really disgusting. 9/11 has a lot of propaganda-fueled emotionality tied to it in the USA. Most people here associate it with pure evil. All this submission is doing is piggypacking on that emotionality and directing the anger at a new target that isn't even responsible. 9/11 was not a crazy "holy" act, it was a response to complex political and military/covert actions. Usage of this image is as reprehensible and insulting to intelligence as the shit spewed by some of the worst evangelists.

SovietAmerika · 5 months

Imagine the USA never funded Al-queda.

science_diction · 5 months

Okay, I'm imagining no religion.

Hmm... Twin towers still gone because of an anti-western / anti-capitalist terrorist group who feel exploited and are using some other non-religious ideology to support their agenda thereby causing 9/11.

Yeah. So different. Religion is an excuse for something humans would do anyway.

Repost-Rater · 5 months

This repost offers little more than obscuring the thought-provoking picture with the words already found in the title. This is not helped by the sheer frequency at which this is submitted.

Arbitrary rating: 2/5

jazzcigarettes · 5 months

its easy if you try

hacksoncode · 5 months

I find it's nearly impossible to imagine a world where religion never existed (humans would have to be very different beasties).

But, in particular, if there were no religion and therefore no religious persecution, the U.S. wouldn't exist in anything approaching its current form and the chance that the two towers would ever have been built in the first place is infinitesimal.

elbruce · 5 months

Wow, thanks for finding this thought-provoking picture and running directly to reddit with it! We've never seen that one before!

ಠ_ಠ

Freakychee · 5 months

What about all the videogames and fiction based on religon? Would I still be able to pay Diablo? Devil May Cry? Who would Master Chief fight?

For all the shit it gives us, it makes a great base for fiction because it is the most widely believed lie in the world.

Walderp · 5 months

9/11 really wasn't about religion. Sure, the guys who did the bombing were probably religious extremists, but that's not why they drove a plane into the twin towers.

Facker69 · 5 months

If there were no religion we would be soooooo much more advanced. Just the thought of that idea, that if there were no religion and we were way more advanced than we are now pisses me off, because life would be so much better. Fuck.

Syran · 5 months

And this is why as an atheist I feel the need to push myself as far away from /r/atheism as a I possibly can. You are reinforcing xenophobia in my name. You are actually worse than the fundamental Christians, who I am not associated with, because when they push a prejudice ideology it doesn't reflect back on me.

GratefulZep · 5 months

It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky

runvnc · 5 months

Imagine no propaganda and false-flag attacks.

Normally I don't post this sort of stuff on my regular account but oh well.

9/11 was a false-flag terror attack. The "news" in the United States is full of war propaganda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Just about every country that becomes a headline in mainstream media is targeted by the current dominant global power structure and the "news" is just lies designed to "justify" military deployment. See KONY 2012 for the most recent popular example (didn't work this time, usually does).

War propaganda is a real part of contemporary American media and video games. Its not something that happened in the 1940s and 1950s and then stopped as soon as color television arrived.

Our media is saturated with violence, but this isn't unexpected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_e... We are constantly at war.

We are at war right now. There is a large multi-decade (multi-century depending on how you look at it) military campaign going on in the middle east and its surrounds that most people are completely unaware of because of how powerful the grip of the propagandists is on American media.

Take a look at this map, and think back to all of the lies we have been told about the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else.

http://www.zeemaps.com/333426 Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria. All of these countries just happen to be adjacent to eachother.

We are told that these are all noble missions, vital emergencies involving "weapons of mass destruction", or glorious democratic revolutions, and led to believe that each is basically a separate case.

The order of the invasions and other deployments across these countries and regions continues to be tactical. The motivations are many -- territory, resource control, money control, ultimately total unchallenged global domination. The lies told to justify the next step, in each case, are not very material to the actual overall mission objectives.

Afghanistan -- a foothold, limited resistance, and it was key to restore the heroin funds used to back intelligence/covert operations and establishment bank accounts.

Iraq -- A key battle, money control, resource control. Made an Iran sandwich.

Eqypt / Libya

February 21, 1987

Early last year, President Reagan approved a secret directive under which United States military forces would support Egypt in the event of a ''pre-emptive'' attack on Libya...

...In March 1986, the semiofficial Egyptian newspaper Al Ahram said Cairo had rejected three requests from American delegations for joint military action against Libya...

...But several Administration officials who support President Reagan's policy on Libya insisted today that the meeting with President Mubarak and the subsequent planning were not an attempt to press Cairo to invade.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/21/world/egypt-us-plan-to-rai...

In April 2011, Mubarak was removed from power by a "democratic uprising" and by July rumors circulated that he was "in a coma".

Also in July 2011, "Libya Rebels" get formal backing by the United States and $30 billion. Within a relatively short period of time Qaddafi was killed. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/world/africa/16libya.html?...

Syria -- A key strategic ally of Iran, tactical position.

http://www.almc.army.mil/images/unified-command_world-map.jpg

SuperXpio · 5 months

If there was no religion there would be a lot more/bigger buildings. Or maybe we would have just destroyed ourselves over something else.

[deleted] · 5 months

Upvoted for nationalism in the United States.

AThinker661 · 5 months

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p5jnqEyUs4 This is how it will look without religion.

CyricTheMad · 5 months

People would still find reasons to be shitty to one another. Religion just gives the bigots justification for their behaviour.

Strudol · 5 months

oddly, "imagine all the people " just popped into my head....am i the only one?

JTown91 · 5 months

imagine no gravity yo - we could fly

indignant_dude · 5 months

We'd still kill each other, though, right?

lilkidbro · 5 months

As much as I'd like to, I just don't agree with the implied message. I'm no humanist (from a psychological standpoint at least), so I think that people will find any reason just to kill each other. If they didn't fall in 2001 then they would've fallen some other time.

bigbangbilly · 5 months

Unless there is a time machine trying to get that might not be a good idea as it may turn some of us into hypocrite.

[deleted] · 5 months

imagine no CIA

johnnynutman · 5 months

without religion we'd only have wars because of ethnic differences, territorial differences and wealth.

[deleted] · 5 months

OP is an ass. Being from NYC a lot of my family members we're caught in nine eleven. Lemme give you the current situation of one (a survivor) she is a catholic. She is also severely crippled with multiple sclerosis. she is also gay and her partner is also catholic and was also caught in the towers (she worked there) they are still Faithful Catholics.

[deleted] · 5 months

Imagine, no planes.

unsalvageable · 5 months

Imagine no religion ? That's not possible.

I could act like a beauty queen contestant, and dream of a world where humans have evolved beyond greed and vanity and resentment; but that's kind of ludicrous.

Religion is imaginary, right ? We imagined it into existence. Why did we do that? Why did every culture on earth 'evolve' a system of supernatural explanations.? More important - why do we keep the old lies ? Confronted with the monstrous superiority of science, why do old fools still pray to an empty space ?

Human imagination is the currency of science and religion both. They are fraternal twins, carried by the same gene. And neither will ever die. As long as we continue to have human imagination, we will have science; and we will have religion, too.

jerolelmerol · 5 months

religion didnt build the planes, did it?

scottles · 5 months

Religion is a disease of man. It's based on fear and can and has done great harm. One day ALL religions will be seen for what they always were Man Made Myths. They come not out of love but out of the worst in man and the sooner we grow out of this the better.

MRLINDAN · 5 months

TELL THAT TO THE FUCKIN EXTREAMEST MUSLIMS WHO MURDERED 3000 FUCKIN AMERICANS, AND I BELEIVE SOME OF THOSE FUCKIN PEOPLE PRAYED BEFORE THEY FLUNG THEMSELVES TO THEIR DEATHS!!! THIS IS WHY WE WANT OUR COUNTRY TO BE FREE SO YOU CAN BELEIVE IN WHAT YOU WANT SO QUIT TRYING TO BLAME ALL RELIGIONS ON JUST ONE. 9/11 WAS NOT A FUCKIN RALLING CRY FOR FUCKIN ATHEISTS!!!

S_Dub7 · 5 months

I think the new caption should be, "Imagine no science" Firstly there would be no picture or buildings. I like to imagine religion as people sitting in a dark cave, furiously raping little children and telling each other they can't go outside, stop raping or talk about anything else or they'll suffer forever when they're done raping young boys. I'm glad I'm an athiest; and can use my brain.

gamerlen · 5 months

Um... Lest we forget America was founded by british puritans who fled England to escape religious persecution.

If there was no religion the World Trade Center, New York City, and perhaps America as we know it may never have existed at all.

speednugget · 5 months

It's easy if you try.

Insanity_Troll · 5 months

Imagine no reposts......

PerthroXIII · 5 months

Imagine no politics; Imagine no George Bush

FTFY

9/11 was a controlled explosion. No building of that size will collapse from a meek airplane

TreyGarcia · 5 months

IMO, there's a solid argument that religion had no part whatsoever in the 9/11 attacks. I'm pretty sure it was 100% greed, dressed-up as a terrorist attack. These type of images are proof that the tactic worked beautifully.

SS_material · 5 months

*Imagine no idiotic radicals in religious groups

^{^Much} better.

I mean, what would this world be without religion? Be honest now. BE HONEST. Think about it. What would we not have, if it weren't for religion? Now also think back towards to the times where the Egyptians built the Pyramids. Who did they worship? A god. What if they didn't?

Does anyone see my point here? If so, would you like to explain it better than me..I'm not that great at it..

bsyre21 · 5 months

V stfu. Youre dumb. Religion is the root of all the worlds problems and it always will be. If not for their religion, there would be none of the complex political problems you speak of.


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