They make it sound so easy... : funny

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[–]FuggleyBrew 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago

My industry is finance, and I graduated during the HEIGHT of the recession. After graduation, I looked for a job for six months, during which I worked part time. I found a full time opportunity in December of 09.

Congratulations, except for the fact that finance, despite helping cause the recession has not been particularly hard hit by the recession.

I work in operations, it has never really recovered from the recession.

I'm of the mindset at this point if you don't have a job, you aren't looking hard enough or are too stuck up to take something entry level.

I guess you couldn't really work in finance unless you were completely out touch with the economy. Tell me, were you ever taught in school how to actually read economic statistics?

What do you think it means when vacancies are vastly outnumbered by applicants? What do you think it means when companies are extending their time to hire? When entry level has been completely removed from job profiles? It means high frictional and structural unemployment.

But you and I, we got ours, so everyone else must be completely incompetent right?

[–]Dolewhip -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 months ago

I work in operations too. I focused on finance in school, but I didn't want to be a banker or a sales guy. I like my backoffice shit where I can work and get stuff done without ever having a "goal". To be clear, I work on the sales side but i don't do the selling, and financial services was actually hit pretty hard.

As far as vacancies and applicants, I understand the concepts. What I was getting at is that on reddit, it's way more fun to blame bankers/politicians/the 1% on the reason why YOU don't have a job, but it isn't as much fun to accept that there is work involved in getting a job. Most of the kids on this website who complain either a) Studied bullshit liberal arts or b) Like to blame the economy on the fact they can't find a job when in reality, it's because a neckbeard's requirements for a job are the same as for their women. That whole "2/10 POINTY ELBOWS WOULD NOT BANG THING" applies to the job search too. People think they're so smart and have this idea that just because they have a degree, they need to start at 60k/year in some cushy office. It doesn't work like that anymore, and it likely never will.

You seem like a cool guy, and I'm glad you have a job, and I really don't mean to come at you personally, but if you think about the things I'm saying and the freshly graduated demographic of reddit (kids who don't remember being without the internet), it makes sense. As I said, it's a lot easier to blame external factors. I applied for like 10 jobs a week with cover letters and the whole nine for months before landing an interview somewhere I wanted to be, and it was tough. Complaining is much simpler than acting.

[–]FuggleyBrew 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago

To be clear, I work on the sales side but i don't do the selling, and financial services was actually hit pretty hard.

Financial reporting wasn't particularly hard hit because at the end of the day, the reporting needs to be done. The companies will drag their heels when it comes to replacing people in many segments of their business, because they can force people to work overtime to cover the gap, with the threat of their livelihood and the economy to keep them in check.

But if they lose a key analyst or a controller? They'll fill that position, because they have no choice.

You seem like a cool guy, and I'm glad you have a job, and I really don't mean to come at you personally, but if you think about the things I'm saying and the freshly graduated demographic of reddit

We're not exactly that far off from the freshly graduated demographic ourselves.

As I said, it's a lot easier to blame external factors.

It easy to blame external factors because if you sit right down and look at it, external factors are causing the problem. If we look at this and attribute it entirely to "oh people aren't trying" that's nonsense. No matter how hard they try unemployment will remain elevated and many of them will not get the jobs. To attribute it to our personal success is utterly delusional on our part. There are and were hundreds of people who could have done my job, perhaps not all of them as well (I do have some pride) but the job would have gotten done.

It's in our interest to have those external factors addressed, because even though we might have jobs, the continued economic depression is affecting everyone's ability to advance.

[–]Dolewhip -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago

We can agree then that the root cause of such high level unemployment of the fresh graduates on reddit is somewhere between the external factors and laziness. Like I said, our generation was raised to believe that if you go to college, a good job is as good as automatic and that's what most people think. It really shows when you start to look at the people who study art history, only go for the BA in psychology, or do something like communications. There's a reason that a lot of the people who can't land jobs happen to have majored in those fields. My friends who studied econ, finance, various forms of biology or science, or even law have had no problems finding work (beyond it taking a little more time than before). Same with my friends who went the vocational route. I'm glad we were able to have a civil discussion about this, aside from our disagreements.

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My friends who studied econ, finance, various forms of biology or science, or even law have had no problems finding work (beyond it taking a little more time than before).

It took me a year to land a temporary job in a related field and longer to actually begin pulling down the appropriate salary for that position which was still well less than what I would have been able to make had I graduated five years earlier.

Many of my friends with strong hard science backgrounds are having difficulty getting jobs because a lot of research funding has dried up and the related fields in the private sector deem them overqualified and believe they wouldn't stay in the career path despite the fact that the salary would greatly exceed what they could make in research.

I'm not buying the sunshine and roses if you work harder. The state of the economy is reaking havoc on career plans and development, to write it off as simply a question of personal failings is overly simplistic, and is self serving.