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[–]UpsetLobster 15 points16 points ago

At some point in history they did pretty much the same thing. Spanish priests used to bash Aztec babies to death in their thousands to make sure they did not grow up to be pagan, and that they would go straight to god. Seriously, if you can think of something bad, religious people somewhere have already done it, on a scale so big as to make you have nightmares for weeks.

[–]wazzym 1 point2 points ago

There have been many people troughout history that have made child-sacrifices for God... Here is one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9JpVxiz9E (Not for sensitive viewers, Disturbing)

[–]FruitDealer171 0 points1 point ago

dafuq

[–]DoxBox 5 points6 points ago

TL;DR of what I could post if I bothered..

They have, in the past, bombed schools, school buses, daycare centers, hospitals, you name it.

[–]BigFatCatInTheSky -5 points-4 points ago

So have non-religious people. It annoys me that so many people like to talk about atrocities that have been commited in the name of religion, when there are so many other things that have happened without religion being involved. It really isn't the root of all evil.

[–]drbooberry 2 points3 points ago

yeah, but when people do terrible things not in the name of religion- it's for something tangible. slavery is terrible, but southern farmers in the US did it for cheap labor and bringing cotton and shit to the world market. when civil wars break out in (insert country), it is to gain political power in the country. when the crusades happened- it was for invisible man in the sky.

[–]BigFatCatInTheSky -2 points-1 points ago

Not always. There are murderers, rapists, paedophiles out there who harm people because they want to. I'll grant you that people have done terrible things in the name of religion, but they are not the only people out there. I would never shoot someone or try to commit genocide, and I don't think that just adding religion to my upbringing would change that. I don't think that religion is to blame, it is the people justifying their actions with it.

Also there are so many religious people out there who are reasonable and lovely, why focus on the unreasonable ones?

[–]drbooberry 0 points1 point ago

let me preface by saying i am in no way condoning these actions. but again, when things like murder, rape, pedophilia, etc are done normally- it is for something. ex. a rapist rapes for a sexual or emotional high. this is selfish- but can be followed by logic. When someone convinces the congregation to drink the koolaid, thus killing everyone- there is no real true logic in it.

[–]BigFatCatInTheSky 0 points1 point ago

Like you, I'm not condoning this, but I assume that to these people there is some form of logic. I just don't understand why religion as a reason for doing something is inherently worse than any other. I don't think it should be "look at what religion makes people do", it should be "look what people do".

[–]DoxBox 0 points1 point ago

Strawman; I never posited that religion is the root of all evil, just that many times many horrible acts have been committed in its name.

[–]BigFatCatInTheSky 0 points1 point ago

I'll give you that. I didn't mean it to come out as a Strawman, but it seems to have done.

Essentially what I am trying to say is that quite often people focus on the bad things people have done in the name of religion, when there are so many other bad things in the world that aren't connected to it. I think that people are the ones who are commiting these crimes and they are just using religion as a scapegoat. It isn't because of religion that these things occured, but because of the people.

[–]DoxBox 1 point2 points ago

You wouldn't know it from my posting, because it's rarely relevant, but I do think religion currently does serve a positive purpose. If we could extricate political and religious beliefs, I would be absolutely content with the situation.

I think church communities can be some of the most selfless, giving, hard-working people that I've ever met. Mind you, I've mostly non-denominational experience with churches here in Canada. Certainly I don't mean to imply that to be religious is to exhibit the things I find abhorrent about religion.

I guess the biggest problem with religion is that it gives people common cause to join in each others' hatred and oppression. Often it's subtle, other times not so subtle. Sure, it's literal truth to bring up the crusades as an example of religious warfare, but the problem is deeper than that. It's the subtle oppression that still cuts us deep. Voting away the rights of others. Supporting evil regimes in the name of His Holiness The Pope, a man who personally covered up child molestation cases. I just don't see how homophobia and church-based pedophilia could exist without religion to provide convenient excuses and convenient reassignment.

[–]BigFatCatInTheSky 0 points1 point ago

That's fair. I think seeing as I am from Britain I've never really been faced with proper problems when it comes to religious people. But there seems to be so much negativity towards religion which is only based on a generalisation; there are just as many nice religious people as bad ones, probably more.

[–]8bitmorals 1 point2 points ago

To this day the Catholic church still doesn't agree on what happens to unbaptized children if they die, one of the most widely accepted beliefs is that they remain in limbo for that they have original sin, another is that they ascend into heaven but will not receive beatification or eternal bliss

After the second Vatican council the meaning of baptism shifted. It is seen today primarily as an entrance ritual for those entering the community of Christian faith. A person who is not baptized is equally loved by God, but is not a member of the Christian community.

[–]h1153 1 point2 points ago

Quit giving them ideas!

[–]thesaunders 0 points1 point ago

... cause only the good die young? too soon?

[–]feeserk 0 points1 point ago

Idea!

[–]Krags 0 points1 point ago

Please, please don't give them any ideas.

[–]someonewrongonthenet 0 points1 point ago

Because that would send them to hell for murder, probably. Fundamentally, it is an "every man for himself" afterlife...after all, if one really cared that much about anyone else getting to heaven, then heaven would be a torment because one would live in the knowledge that so many others are hell. For most normal human beings, perfect happiness cannot exist when one is aware of the suffering of others.

[–]bracomadar 0 points1 point ago

Meanwhile...in a preschool in Afghanistan.

[–]nolongercreeper 0 points1 point ago

You are right, that is disturbing. I hope you don't really believe that it would be a logical thing for a christian to do. Christians aren't monsters. They are just delusional.

[–]timo103 0 points1 point ago

DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS

[–]dcfisher 0 points1 point ago

dont give them ideas lol

[–]sexi_squidward 0 points1 point ago

as a child in catholic school...I planned that I would die before I turned 18 to get a spot in heaven in case I fuck things up when I'm older...I'm 25...I fucked things up and now I just don't care. :)

[–]bayernownz1995 -4 points-3 points ago

Because nearly all religions consider life sacred.