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[–]TheDaveYouKnow 9 points10 points ago

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it must be able to do wicked cart-wheels.

[–]langballs 3 points4 points ago

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http://documentarystorm.com/chernobyl-reclaimed-the-animal-takeover/. Watched this yesterday. Surprising and relevant.

[–]neanderthalman 2 points3 points ago

Generally radiation does not cause mutations of this type - one would expect things like patches of albinism and increased tumors and morbidity.

Dramatic mutations like this are, almost without exception, chromosomal level defects well outside what would be seen from radiation-induced point defects. Not impossible, but unlikely.

Similar mutations occur all the time, everywhere - two headed dogs, cats, cows, etc, pop up all the time, for example. I think there was a pic of a multi-headed cobra on the front page today. It's random shit - if it indeed came from chernobyl (and I think this one did), then in all likelihood it would have happened even without the nuclear disaster.

[–]FinSamar 0 points1 point ago

Can't radiation cause chromosomal damage? I watched a documentary called Chernobyl Heart which examined people affected by Chernobyl -- most of them got thyroid problems as a result of caesium 137, but some of the children had some pretty freaky problems and deformities that are more reminiscent of the dog, where their limbs did not grow appropriately and worse. Those kids flooded the hospitals of Belarus following Chernobyl, so there is a definite relationship between nuclear disaster and deformities.

[–]neanderthalman 0 points1 point ago

Not really...radiation works only on single chemical bonds. It would be very difficult to cause a chromosome level error with radiation. Generally these come from damaged caused during meiosis, when the chromosomes are physically torn apart at the centromeres.

You can't always trust what's in Chernobyl documentaries. It's been a heavily politicized event, and it takes a lot of digging to find the truth. Most of the time, they rely on the unfortunate level of public ignorance on the nature of radiation and what it can do. It pisses me off because most of them are milking the tragedy and suffering of Ukrainians for their own personal profit. Be careful who you listen to - even me.

Epidemiologists have been looking for decades for signs of impact on the populations of Ukraine and Belarus. They've seen a marked increase in thyroid cancer immediately after the accident, but not from cesium, but from Iodine 131. Iodine concentrates in the thyroid, which is why potassium iodide pills are distributed in areas around nuclear plants. In the event of an accident, you pop the pill, flood your thyroid with safe iodine, so that it cannot absorb the radioactive I-131.

But I-131 has a half-live of 8 days, so within months of the accident, it was all gone. The people who developed thyroid cancer had thyroidectomies (a simple surgery), and the rest got lucky. Fortunately, the success rate for treating thyroid cancer with surgery is damn near 100%, though the survivors need to take thyroid hormones in pill form for the rest of their lives.

The only other effect that's been demonstrated has been an increase in other cancers, with an estimated 4000 casualties (WHO).

On of the biggest problems after the accident was not the radiation, but fear of radiation. The pure abject terror of a hazard you cannot see, nor smell, nor touch. It invades your home, your body, and the harm it can cause is insidious. It's truly terrifying - but the terror alone is enough to cause health problems (stress induced) as well as make people alter their behaviors about seeking health care. Suddenly, every ache or pain or issue makes you afraid that you've developed cancer, and you run to the doctor time and time again. The constant stress of this fear has very real consequences.

With the birth defects, what's likely is that they now got greater visibility because of the accident. Not only that, but remember that Ukraine and Belarus were, at that time, under soviet control and were exceptionally impoverished. Health care for a child born horribly deformed may not have been sought prior to the accident, particularly if the family lived in a rural area. Those stillborn would not always be reported. There would not be the same level of prenatal care and analysis as we are familiar with, so such chromosomal aberrations would not be screened early in pregnancy (amniocentesis). After the accident though, every case would now get reported because of the high visibility, which on the surface appears to indicate an increase in occurrence. That's why epidemiologists compare the to countries outside the accident area, as well as correct for such things as poverty, health care, screening, etc. I have not yet seen a reputable organization (such as WHO), report a statistically significant increase in birth defects after the accident.

The levels of poverty and resulting malnutrition would be far more likely to cause chromosomal aberrations than radiation ever would. Keep that in mind.

By the way, if you ever have questions about radiation, nuclear power, that sort of thing, feel free to PM me.

[–]FinSamar 0 points1 point ago

That seems like a good explanation. I used to live in Ukraine as a child, and Chernobyl affected the culture heavily -- when I attended kindergarten, some of the kids were classified as Chernobyl kids based on a criteria unknown to me, and received extra care in terms of medicine and food compared to other kids. None of those kids ever looked like they had anything wrong with them. On the other hand, Chernobyl Heart delved primarily in Belarus, and not in Ukraine, and I'm not really familiar with what is going on in Belarus aside from the fact that they had an even worse time dealing with the post-Soviet split, and got the brunt of the fallout from Chernobyl rather than Ukraine -- but beyond that, the area was not as rich in terms of minerals and agricultural output as Ukraine and poverty and healthcare are issues are worse there as well, so it's adding up.

[–]Tooberson 4 points5 points ago

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It's a "pseudodog" fellow STALKER.

[–]fgriglesnickerseven 1 point2 points ago

Did the child die?

[–]road_kill_ryan 1 point2 points ago

That's some fucked up shit

[–]herpherpderp 1 point2 points ago

Unpossible! Reddit nuclear experts have assured me that Chernobyl is no more radioactive than the banana aisle of the grocery store!

[–]CarnivorousAvenger 0 points1 point ago

They are full of shit.

[–]herpherpderp 0 points1 point ago

That's for sure.

[–]CarnivorousAvenger 0 points1 point ago

Scientists who study there, can only stay for a certain amount of time before they have to leave.

[–]pifarm 0 points1 point ago

Ground level is

the vegetation, water, and such? hell no.

There is a reason why you can't eat anything when you go there

[–]herpherpderp 0 points1 point ago

So the water and vegetation is radioactive, but you dont think the ground level is?

Doesnt it seem pretty obvious that if all the plants are radioactive, then they must be giving off radiation, thus making the ground level radioactive as well? I mean, isnt that kind of the definition of radiation, after all?

[–]pifarm 0 points1 point ago

You aren't eating the ground are you? you aren't pressing your fucking head against it. Dirt, grass, and cement soak up little radiation compared to other things. Go watch some videos where they show the levels of radiation, they are the same as a 30,000ft flight. Plants and such also aren't "giving off radiation" they are retaining it

[–]herpherpderp 0 points1 point ago

LOL. Retaining radiation?

Hilarious!!!

[–]diamondpoop 1 point2 points ago

Beef jerky

[–]gnarlysaurus 1 point2 points ago

Straight outta chernobyl, a crazy goat nigga with some talon hooves!

[–]GLKMED 1 point2 points ago

And this belongs on /r/wtf

[–]saldek 2 points3 points ago

Post it on /r/aww for kicks.

[–]langballs 1 point2 points ago

This must happen! Title - 'Gives me this look every time I leave for work'

Edit - What about amisexy?

[–]Spookboy666 0 points1 point ago

The Ukraine you say? I would have thought Antarctica.

[–]kobello 0 points1 point ago

straight outta chernobyl, crazy motherfucker named Dipygus!

[–]sandradakachini 0 points1 point ago

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Do they know what it's support to be?

[–]StalevarZX 0 points1 point ago

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Pig twins that did not divide correctly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Nice spiderdog. Can't wait for the Japanese variety: the spiderspitz! xD