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[–]decross20 21 points22 points ago

He has created a meme. He was voted sexiest astrophysicist of the year. He is a badass. He is: the most interesting astrophysicist in the world.

[–]Ayatrolla 1 point2 points ago

And reddit is clearly obsessed with him. How long before a redditor breaks into his house and steals his underwear?

[–]decross20 1 point2 points ago

How long? That seems to imply that it hasn't happened yet.

[–]zyxophoj 3 points4 points ago

[–]WHITE_on_BLACK 6 points7 points ago

A friendly reminder that using WHITE text with a BLACK border will result in optimal viewing pleasure in most cases.

[–]tennantsmith 0 points1 point ago

Too bad it's quite easy to read.

[–]greenguy22 2 points3 points ago

HAHA, NDT is the man, Neil deGrasse Tyson for President 2016!

[–]River_Jones 2 points3 points ago

Holy shit, your comment made me realize that 2016 is only four years away, and that 4 years ago was not that long ago, and that 2016 is not that far away, whoa...

Btw anyone have a source for when he said the quote?

[–]v_soma 1 point2 points ago

[–]River_Jones 0 points1 point ago

Thank you very much!!

[–]minno 0 points1 point ago*

He already said that he's not interested in running.

EDIT: Source

[–]greenguy22 0 points1 point ago

what? when did he say that? I know he has said he feels his job is to educate the public so they will make better voting choices, but he definitely is interested in politics and is widely respected. If he did say that, I hope he reconsiders.

[–]minno 0 points1 point ago

[–]greenguy22 0 points1 point ago

thanks for sending that, I actually have read that before. Maybe I'm just being optimistic but I don't see that he says he wouldn't run for president in that. The fact he would even take the time to make that comment I think is positive. Of course I do think it is a slim chance he would run, but the fact that he doesn't say, "I will never run for president" I think leaves the door open.

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[–]TheDesertoftheReal 6 points7 points ago

Did you know...NdGT is not an atheist?

[–]suddenly_everywhere 2 points3 points ago

what is he?

[–]Immynimmy 4 points5 points ago

What he refers to as "passionate agnostic"

[–]ihatecinnamon 8 points9 points ago

If he is not a theist, he is an atheist, by definition.

My guess: he is an atheist but doesn't want to be labeled "atheist" in order to not alienate a potentially receptive theist audience.

[–]blackone 0 points1 point ago

If he is not a theist, he is an atheist, by definition.

Please cite that definition and tell me why all the other ones are wrong.

[–]ihatecinnamon 6 points7 points ago

"A-" is a prefix, with a greek root that means "not". If you are familiar with set theory you'll understand that you can be "X" or "not X", but you can't be both and you can't be neither. If X=photon, everything that isn't a photon is an element of "not X". In the same way, if you are not part of the set "theists", you are part of the set "not-theists", aka "atheists".

[–]staticchange 0 points1 point ago

This would be true if we were talking mathmatical. However, the human language is not mathematical. Words are generally related to their constituents, but you cannot typically deduce a word's full meaning by evaluating only the meaning of its roots.

The word 'atheist' is a good example of this, because evaluating the prefix and the word theist would lead you to believe that atheist means "not theist", but this isn't the case. Atheist is a lack of belief in gods. Theism is a belief in one or more gods. There is still a generally accepted hazy area in between where an individual can be not atheist or theist, by denying the possibility of having any knowledge on either account. This is more or less like fuzzy logic, which your mathematical analogy won't account for.

Additionally, the definition of atheist isn't well accepted either. Lots of people believe it means a belief in no gods. This is widely accepted enough that you will find this definition in lots of dictionaries. In truth, I think it is also closer to how the word is intended, as a true lack of belief in deities rather than a belief in no deities can only occur if you have never been introduced to the concept of a deity at all. You cannot disprove the existence of a hypothetical god, so on some level you must simply believe they do not exist. This definition then clearly leaves room for additional positions that are both not atheist and not theist, even without fuzzy logic.

[–]Captain_Mustard 0 points1 point ago

Thisthisthisthis. It generally boils down to whether you're talking about the original definition or the demographic.

[–]blackone -1 points0 points ago

Atheism doesn't necessarily have to be the direct negation of the word theism (the belief that a deity exists), it could as well mean the belief that no deity exists. In one case the "a-" negates the "theos" part, in the other it negates the "-ism".

[–]ihatecinnamon 4 points5 points ago

I don't know why are you being downvoted, your reply makes a lot of sense. One way of another, my answer was in relation to TheDesertoftheReal when s/he said "Did you know...NdGT is not an atheist?". I say "yes, he is", according to this other (acceptable,imho) definition.

[–]blackone 0 points1 point ago

Alright, then I agree with you.

[–]Cacafuego 0 points1 point ago

Atheism: Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God. Also, Disregard of duty to God, godlessness (practical atheism).

-- Oxford English Dictionary

Some scientists when canvassing these issues of philosophical theology may prefer to call themselves ‘agnostics’ rather than ‘atheists’ because they have been over impressed by a generalised philosophical scepticism or by a too simple understanding of Popper's dictum that we can never verify a theory but only refute it. Such a view would preclude us from saying quite reasonably that we know that the Sun consists largely of hydrogen and helium.

--Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

I don't dispute that active rejection of God is one definition of atheism, but it is certainly not the only one or even the best. What do we call someone who simply does not believe in God? You may say "agnostic," but that is a corruption of T.H. Huxley's original use, which was the position that such things as God's existence are unknowable.

Given the original definition of agnostic, it is quite possible (even popular, around here) to be both agnostic and atheist.

[–]blackone 0 points1 point ago

I don't dispute that active rejection of God is one definition of atheism, but it is certainly not the only one or even the best.

That was my only point though, that it is one of several definitions of atheism. It's not the one I prefer and definitely not the only one, I was just disputing ihatecinnamons post that was saying NdGT was "by definition" an atheist and just wants to please religious audiences.

[–]Cacafuego 1 point2 points ago

If he had clarified "he is an atheist according to the definition predominant in religious and philosophical discussions and preferred by most atheists" I don't think there would have been an issue. But that is such a commonly accepted definition at this point, that I'm not sure the qualification was necessary.

Yes, NdGT can say he is not an atheist and be correct, if he is using a particular definition of atheism. But as someone who rubs shoulders with Dawkins et al., he is certainly aware that he fits other widely-accepted definitions, and he has chosen to reject the label.

And that's okay, because A) it makes him more effective, and B) he's NdGT and we're all going to love him, regardless.

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[–]InDeoRideo 0 points1 point ago

You don't have a soul. You are just mighty AI.

[–]gertnerbot 1 point2 points ago

We're now abbreviating his name...... really? NdGT? Really?

[–]Jorbear 1 point2 points ago

Sherlock Holmes and The Mysterious Genocide.

[–]rasputine 13 points14 points ago

"Holmes, stop pacing and fucking look at me. This city has been leveled by meteorites and there's a fucking pillar of cunting salt out there. A. Wizard. Did. It."

-Profane Watson.

[–]Agmisabeast 1 point2 points ago

Genesis 19:1-17

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[–]koolsauce 0 points1 point ago

"Watch out, we got a source linking badass over here!"

(all jokes aside, thanks for the source)

[–]Agmisabeast 2 points3 points ago

Watch out, we gotta badass over here.

All jokes aside, he truly is one badass motherfucker.

[–]Rockran 0 points1 point ago

[–]ramidowler 0 points1 point ago

If you're alive, you got in the club. Theists are like clubbers who fail to acknowledge the crowd outside who didn't make it in, and prefer to ignore the way in which they were chosen.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Well, it all depends on your own personal beliefs. How would you know happiness without sadness? How would you appreciate the beauty of a sunny day if you've never seen a rainy one? How would you know relief if you've never felt pain?

[–]SweetMojaveRain -1 points0 points ago

This is the place where a man who prefers not to be regarded as an atheist is constantly quoted for karma...dafuq

[–]InDeoRideo 0 points1 point ago

If a saying is an expression of wisdom or truth, it's that regardless of who said it.

[–]sdoaifo9378yphuisdfo -5 points-4 points ago

Maybe if all the genocides hadn't taken place, it would have triggered a series of events that resulted in the death of all living things. What now atheistfag? lol

[–]sylian 4 points5 points ago

So you are saying that God is incapable of preventing all the genocide?

[–]Fickelbra 1 point2 points ago

Maybe the world would have no war. See I can make things up too.

[–]lobsterlauncher -5 points-4 points ago

I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and this is an amusing quotation. That being said, scientists are not theologians. They aren't really even philosophers. Of course any man or woman can be a combination of sorts and there aren't strict divisions between the thought experiments of each, but scientists mostly spend their time doing, reading about, critiquing, and/or promoting science. Theologians spend their time studying, interpreting, critiquing, and/or promoting theology. How much time you've spent with the subject matter determines whether your ideas are those of an adolescent in the field or of an expert.

[–]ryhntyntyn -2 points-1 points ago

Yep. When you watch Richard Dawkins actually debating The Archbishop of Canterbury, he seems to shrink. Whereas when he is talking about evolution, he grows in stature.