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[–]pikadrew 141 points142 points ago

The real difference is how they get stoned.

[–]librarianzrock 10 points11 points ago

yup, I'm goin' strait to hell

[–]pamplemousserose 6 points7 points ago

I don't think this comic is a comparison between two countries. It's a commentary on the perceptions of two women in a country where they can choose what to wear. Taken in that context, I don't think this comment is relevant. Not all Muslim women live in a country where they will get stoned for not covering themselves. Some make the individual choice to wear it.

[–]WaywardSpaniard 1 point2 points ago

But one could argue that, even without the blatant coercion of an enforced law and punishment, religious/cultural laws psychologically force that "individual choice".

[–]pamplemousserose 4 points5 points ago

I don't disagree. Just as the bikini-clad woman is influenced by societal pressure to wear less, the woman wearing a burqa is, of course pressured by her religion. I know women, however, who I've spoken with about why they wear the headscarf. Instead of immediately citing religion, they have said that they want to be judged as a person first, instead of being judged for the pleasantness (sexuality) of their bodies. I fully admit that this perspective can be argued to have religious reasons and perhaps gaps in logic, but I think it adds to the discussion.

[–]WaywardSpaniard 2 points3 points ago

True. Pretty valid about about the bikini-clad woman, kind of obvious but it hadn't occurred to me.

[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

It's logical, but not necessarily obvious. I wouldn't be able to express the idea if I hadn't had some interesting conversations with some headscarf-wearing Muslim women that I know.

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[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you elaborate, please?

[–]tidux 1 point2 points ago

Governments in Western countries are likely to allow both forms of dress. Governments in Islamic countries are likely to invoke corporal or capital punishment for wearing a bikini in public.

[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

Alright, fair point. I guess I find the comic to be portraying a situation in which both forms of dress are allowed, as both women are walking down the same street. Each woman has been able to make a choice as to what to wear.

Assuming this, I don't find the comment, "The real difference is how they get stoned" to be relevant. In a country where a woman can choose what she wears, although both women are pressured by religion and a sexually charged society, a comment about stoning isn't relevant. Women in countries whose governments are run by Muslim extremists have been and are stoned for wearing clothing that goes against religious law.

The problem I have with the comments about the burqa as a sign of oppression of women are that they're blanket statements that are more appropriate for situations depicting women who are actually forced to wear certain clothing.

Yes, one can argue that Muslim women living in the west may be pressured or coerced into doing so by their families and religion, but many women make the individual CHOICE to cover themselves. That seems to be the sentiment expressed by the comic. The woman wearing the burqua, having made the choice to do so, sees the bikini clad woman as being a victim of a over sexualized, objectifying society.

[–]IAMGodAMA 0 points1 point ago

Comparatively, if a Christian girl wore a bikini in those same places she'd be stoned just the same.

[–]pamplemousserose 1 point2 points ago

Perhaps, but I'm not talking about those places. I'm taking the comic to be set in a place where both women can make the choice what to wear, which seems like the most logical context for this scenario.

[–]Intrepid00 -1 points0 points ago

Or how they take acid.

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[–]NoojNoj 2 points3 points ago

Shut up, dork.

[–]Xena93 2 points3 points ago

You really are a whale 's dick.

[–]rco8786 73 points74 points ago

The one on the left isn't forced to wear a bikini. She can also drive, vote, and have opinions.

[–]hazleapricot 1 point2 points ago

In Egypt, the Muslim women choose to wear the coverings. They do it for their own reasons. I'd learn a little bit about other cultures completely before you make statements like this.

[–]ginemginem 18 points19 points ago

He/she didn't say that women in all Islamic countries are forced to wear coverings. But rather, that women in the west aren't forced to wear bikinis.

Don't get your self-righteous panties in a twist.

[–]pamplemousserose 2 points3 points ago

I think the commenter above you was simply pointing out a situation that contradicts the parent comment. If the woman in the bikini isn't forced to wear a bikini, she is most certainly influenced by the media and society that pressure women, sexualize them, and objectify them. The assertion that the woman wearing the burqa cannot "drive, vote, [or] have opinions" is a falsehood. This comic pictures the two women walking down the same street, presumably in a country where they each, on some level, can make the choice what to wear.

[–]lollerkeet -2 points-1 points ago

she is most certainly influenced by the media and society that pressure women, sexualize them, and objectify them.

You are aware that men wear even skimpier outfits?

[–]pamplemousserose 1 point2 points ago

On the whole, men in Western society do not wear skimpier outfits than women. Of course there are exceptions, but on days where women are wearing short shorts or bikinis, men are wearing nearly knee length shorts or swimsuits (at least in the U.S., but even in European countries where one might wear a Speedo, men's short shorts are not the norm). Am I misinterpreting what you're saying?

[–]lollerkeet 1 point2 points ago

Your statement only makes sense in a vacuum. Do men wear speedos because of the pressure placed on women?

[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

That's not what I meant to argue. I was just responding to your question- "You are aware that men wear even skimpier outfits?". I don't find that this assertion is true at all, which is what I said in my previous comment.

[–]IAMGodAMA -5 points-4 points ago

In Iran the Christian girl would have to wear at least a Hajib or she would be stoned. This isn't a religous thing this is a cultural thing: one that I say is at least founded on good principle.

That reason is this:

A woman is too valuable to just be openly displayed and viewed only for physical enjoyment. When the woman is all covered up, you are speaking with the woman, not her body. There is no prejudice between beautiful and ugly women like there obviously is in the West.

While I think they take it a bit far, there IS some truth to it.

[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

In part, what you say is how a friend explained it to me. She wanted to be seen first as a person, without anyone first judging her on physical attractiveness. For her, to be spoken to and understood for her ideas and intelligence before any physical distractions was her reason for wearing the hijab. In Western society where women are encouraged to pursue attractiveness and are almost constantly objectified in the media, I can absolutely see her point.

I disagree (as I believe you do, if I understand you correctly) that a government should not dictate how a woman clothes herself. Iran created this culture for itself; it hasn't always been the ultra-conservative state that we know today.

[–]rco8786 4 points5 points ago

This has nothing to do with the thread. Whether they choose to wear it or not, if they don't wear it they face prosecution. Pretty easy choice if you ask me.

[–]pineapple2048 0 points1 point ago

He's talking about Iran dude.

[–]hazleapricot 0 points1 point ago

He didn't specify any place, actually .

[–]pineapple2048 0 points1 point ago

Subtext friend.

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 4 points5 points ago

the ones that force women to wear ninja costumes do.

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 0 points1 point ago

agreed

[–]rco8786 9 points10 points ago

So what was the point of this post then?

Your Title: Male-dominated culture

Your Comment: Not all Muslim countries suppress their female population

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[–]rco8786 12 points13 points ago

Yes it was to try and equate the civil liberties of women in(assuming) Christian-based or secular societies with those of Muslim societies.

But they are not equal. In many Muslim countries that women would be arrested if she were not wearing what she is in the picture, and in pretty much all of them she would at least be looked down upon. I can't think of any secular or Christian-dominated country where a woman is not allowed to wear pretty much whatever she wants.

Sure, there are Muslim countries that make efforts to not suppress women and sure, there are Christian countries that are more oppressive than others. But your comic makes no note of that, only that secular/Christian societies and Muslim societies are equally male dominated....which is incredibly false.

It's really a dumb comparison.

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[–]bowlofcantaloupe 5 points6 points ago

Modestly dressed women do not face the same danger for being moderately dressed. That's the biggest difference.

[–]thesprunk -1 points0 points ago

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. The other poster is pretty clearly spinning the meaning here to prop up their better-than-thou soap box.

[–]rco8786 -2 points-1 points ago

Even in our tolerant Western world, Women under wraps (Or what is it called in English?) are commonly looked down upon.

Probably true. But this doesn't really have anything to do with the comic.

Anyways, it does make people think. But I think it is trying to send a message that is untrue.

[–]thedarksideoftheme -4 points-3 points ago

Probably true. But this doesn't really have anything to do with the comic.

Wtf... it has everything to do with the comic. It's not a dumb comparison. What's dumb is what you think this comic is trying to imply.

[–]rco8786 2 points3 points ago

I don't think you understood the comic at all. It has nothing to do with people in the Western world looking down on upon women in wraps any more than it has to do with middle-eastern men looking down on women in bikinis.

It is about how people from both cultures look down/oppress women in general. Which has some grains of truth to it. The issue that I take with the comic is that it implies western female oppression to be equal to middle-eastern female oppression or that a woman in the western world is expected to wear a bikini in the same manner that a middle-eastern woman is expected to where wraps...which couldn't be more wrong.

[–]thedarksideoftheme 4 points5 points ago

I don't think that the comic implies such a huge message. I think it simply points at the fact that there are women out there that are genuinely thinking what those women in the comic are thinking. They look at another cultures' dress and impose broad meanings like "what a male-dominated culture."

As readers we can look at these two women and chuckle because we know that the truth is not that simple.

[–]gerken -3 points-2 points ago

Opinions which I promptly ignore... muHUwahahAhA. Being a white male is awesome. /sex&race-ism.

[–]Yodacheese -2 points-1 points ago

Are you retarded? The middle-east isn't just Saudi. And which country doesn't allow women to vote exactly?

[–]rco8786 1 point2 points ago

It was slight hyperbole dingaling.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=170391

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[–]pamplemousserose 19 points20 points ago

You know, this may be a repost, but I think it's well worth being reposted. If you take this to mean that these are two women walking down the same street in a country that allows them to choose what they wear, the "yeah, well, the difference is that one of them gets stoned for wearing less" reaction just doesn't hold up.

Each woman sees the clothing that the other wears as a sign of oppression. I think it's easier for most of us to understand why the bikini blonde sees her burqa wearing counterpart as being oppressed. She believes that women who wear the burqa are forced to do so, while overlooking that many women make the individual choice to cover themselves. There are MANY Muslim women in the world who do not have this choice, and this is not the point that I'm trying to argue. Human cultures have many oddities, where the bikini and burqa are on different ends of the spectrum.

Let's take a moment to look at the Muslim woman's perspective. She sees the constant sexualization of women in our media and culture. In her mind, that is a dominating and damaging social pressure. Western culture makes bikinis, painted on jeans, and plunging necklines both normal and expected. Again, this is on some level a choice, but in many ways it's not. Is this not a kind of more slippery oppression? Is the sexualization and objectification women a kind of oppression?

[–]Blackbeard_ 6 points7 points ago

Looks like one person gets it and receives almost as many downvotes as upvotes for it.

Guess this is a touchy issue for reddit. Gotta support the troops in the war on those Izlamz after all.

[–]underdog027[S] 5 points6 points ago

Thank you, I was getting a little depressed over reddit.

[–]pamplemousserose 2 points3 points ago

Outside some of the smaller subreddits, the discussion of Islam and the veil/burqa never seems to be balanced. I don't know if it's a lack of knowledge or a gut reaction against something that's different, but I hope that someone reads beyond the hateful comments and learns something.

[–]underdog027[S] 3 points4 points ago

Blackbeard's right, it's reddit being mainly American.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

"Stupid Americans, it's wrong to generalise a whole culture!"

[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

You're right, generalizations aren't great, but Americans throughout our history HAVE tended to push our ideals on others and tried to dictate the actions of other countries. As a whole, we think our way is the best and freest way to do things. This has been a governmental policy and an individual sentiment that I see expressed by the people I see in the real world and particularly (but perhaps not explicitly) in this thread.

[–]underdog027[S] 0 points1 point ago

I didn't mean to say that, but until now, I've seen a lot of anti-Islam sentiment from many Americans.

[–]pamplemousserose 0 points1 point ago

It makes me so sad that we continually fail to understand and empathize. I want Americans to be able to see others and try to see the other side instead of forcing a system of beliefs onto others. Oh, naivety and hopefulness.

[–]underdog027[S] 1 point2 points ago

It's not just Americans, it's people as a whole.

Thinking hurts.

[–]pamplemousserose 1 point2 points ago

I think there's a greater problem with Americans being able to see outside the context of our own country. I know that's largely a separate issue, but people on an individual level fail to see the importance or legitimacy of other cultures and states. Yes, that's a sweeping generalization, but I feel like it comes into play a lot here.

I don't disagree though. People as a whole often don't try to think, they just react. That's another core problem here.

[–]RepostsOnReposts 16 points17 points ago

I know it's just a comic, and nothing can be simplified perfectly into that format... but there's a damn significant difference here. The woman on the left isn't going to get stoned to death for putting on more clothes.

... if only I had my way...

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[–]JeremiahRossini -2 points-1 points ago

Showing your face while participating in society is a necessary societal contract.

[–]Blackbeard_ 1 point2 points ago

Apparently not because they've been functioning just fine until now.

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That's because their society also sees the views of women as irrelevant.

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 9 points10 points ago

how can you compare the two? In the west you are welcome to dress any way you like. In muslim countries the women are forced to cover themselves such.

Seriously, the equivalency you are trying to draw is a disgrace to hard won rights of women in the west.

to quote richard dawkins when he was talking to a muslim who accused him of dressing women as whores

"I don't dress women, they dress themselves!"

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 1 point2 points ago

It really depends on where you are. Out here in Oklahoma women tend to dress conservatively, but if they want to dress "slutty" they are still free to do so for the most part. I think it's empowering to them really. I hate when I meet a redneck guy that makes his wife dress as plainly as possible. Men like that, in all countries, are just looking for a slave.

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 2 points3 points ago

And if I dress like shit, I will be judged that way. I'm free to do it and suffer the consequences.

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 4 points5 points ago*

but I won't have rocks thrown at me.

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Deleted? Seriously? What the fuck happened in this exchange to make you want to delete the comments from record? I thought it was a good conversation.

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[–]obliterationn 13 points14 points ago

Our women dress themselves, their doesn't

[–]lol-da-mar-s-cool 4 points5 points ago

In a way, here in America men do dictate how women dress (they dress themselves, but their choices are influenced by how society views them).

[–]rco8786 1 point2 points ago

...and vice versa.

[–]MrStonedOne 5 points6 points ago

Na, american women do that. Those societal norms tends to be reinforced by female ran slut shaming and the images of women put out by women ran magazines.

While I'm sure there are men who help perpetrate this standard the majority of men seem to not care either way or are actively against it.

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[–]MrStonedOne 0 points1 point ago

Muslim countries ban all forms of public sex appeal. From skin on women to any sign of power, success, or money on men (although this is more throughly enforced on women). I'm not entirely sure that can be tied to one gender but I'm not an expert on it.

You can find the same but opposite in western areas. Women are encouraged to display and when possible enhance their sex appeal of beauty; Where as men are encouraged to the same thing with power, wealth, success and other biologically typical signs of appeal.

I make this and my previous post to point out that you can not look at this as a "this gender did it" issue, it goes deeper then that and in order to expel these left over outdated gender roles one has to look past the blame game.

[–]Blackbeard_ 0 points1 point ago

Fair point.

[–]lol-da-mar-s-cool 3 points4 points ago

So in a way, women don't have complete "freedom" to dress as they like, since it will always be influenced in a way by society, which is the point I'm trying to make/the point the cartoon is trying to make.

[–]JihadDerp 0 points1 point ago

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE POST. With no freedom (on the right) it's because of male dominance. With COMPLETE freedom (on the left) it's "because of male dominance." Except for that whole complete freedom thing. It's making fun of feminists.

[–]jemimasurrender -5 points-4 points ago

Yes, but WHY do Western women choose to dress this way? It's often because we're conditioned to do so, whether we like to admit it or not.

[–]RandyMFromSP 8 points9 points ago*

Because they spend time and money maintaining their physique and want to show off their healthy bodies in hopes of attracting the best mate possible?

[–]karl-marks 4 points5 points ago

And because they won't get stoned. Also because our culture doesn't teach that sexual harassment from men is the females fault/responsibility.

[–]jemimasurrender -1 points0 points ago

Some, yes. But that in itself is part of the male dominated culture. A woman's worth is based on her ability to attract a mate. I'm not saying it's wrong or that it's just as bad as a culture where women are stoned for dressing how they want, I'm just saying that's how it is.

[–]camelFace 1 point2 points ago

Yet the choice is still a woman's to make, one for which she will not suffer legal consequences.

[–]Risifrutti 1 point2 points ago

There's just as many woman who don't dress that way. It's a choice.

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[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 5 points6 points ago

"our" = the free world.

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[–]Bounceupinher 2 points3 points ago

when will OP learn that posting in his own thread is never a good idea?

[–]dancefuckerdance 1 point2 points ago

when will OP learn that going against the opinions of reddit will always get you downvotes?

[–]underdog027[S] 1 point2 points ago

Oh god, I will never do this again.

[–]gerken -1 points0 points ago

I know, I also find it ridiculous that they get free servants to dress them every morning. I'm tired of having to get out of bed and put clothes on all by myself. Someone should really get that done for me too.

[–]GeoM56 2 points3 points ago

You're all forgetting that it is illegal in almost every city in the States for women to expose their breasts.

[–]talitus 4 points5 points ago

And men can't walk around with their cocks out, your point?

[–]GeoM56 1 point2 points ago

The idea that men have subjected or brainwashed women into wearing revealing/slutty clothing is not reflected in the law.

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[–]GeoM56 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sure what you thought I was arguing. No clue what you are arguing.

[–]haddock420 1 point2 points ago

God bless New York.

[–]urabusxrw 6 points7 points ago

As a former muslim, this is legitimately how women in our culture felt. And you can totally understand it if you're standing on the other side of the issue.

[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 0 points1 point ago

they feel that way because men tell them to feel that way.

[–]urabusxrw 3 points4 points ago

No, they feel that way because women exposing themselves as a norm is offensive to them and they feel women should have respect for themselves. I'm a huge fan of porn and whatnot, but you can totally see where they're coming from.

To be honest, I absolutely don't respect most women in today's society, because it seems like they have no respect for themselves. They do what they do to get the attention of men and have no respect for their own pussy.

And yeah, a lot of that resentment is because I used to be muslim (hate all religion now) but it sticks with me.

[–]Logical1ty 6 points7 points ago*

There's also this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/qss27/im_sorry_ladies_thats_just_how_it_is/c406jd6

I've long held the belief that if women could see what goes on in mens' brains when they're doing even the most average, everyday things, most of you would be too grossed out to even leave the house.

89 upvotes, 15 downvotes

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That's a Larry Miller bit. “Women say they have sexual thoughts too. They have no idea. It's the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing it. If they knew what we were really thinking, they'd never stop slapping us.”

121 upvotes, 13 downvotes

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I hate shit like that. Women objectify and think about sex just the same way as guys do. I know some men that don't even masturbate and some women who only talk about sex. It just became a pop culture, stand-up-bit thing to say that all girls only kinda like sex and all men are fuck-machines.

11 upvotes, 14 downvotes

(the following in response to this above comment)

Lucky for people like mikedt empirical research backs up their claim that men think about sex more often than women.

9 upvotes, 5 downvotes

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You can't start preaching equal rights when it comes to features that are hard-wired into men.

1 upvote, 1 downvote

Conclusion: Reddit's full of hypocrites who acknowledge there is every reason in the world for women to cover up if they don't want to be ogled by men... unless they're Muslim.

Although to be honest, I wouldn't expect anything more from a mostly American populace constantly inundated by propaganda against the people they've been fighting in overseas wars for a decade.

You're the only one here speaking with any insight (and I can verify it because I'm a Muslim who's spent a lot of time in Muslim countries so I know the culture too). What's amusing is how people will deny the empirical truth in favor of what they want to be true.

[–]trannygirl15 1 point2 points ago

As pointed out before, the difference is that you can wear a hijab in america if you want, and you will be fine, whereas a woman cannot wear a bikini in saudi arabia, or even drive a car. One of the two cultures definitely gives women much less freedom.

[–]urabusxrw 3 points4 points ago*

The car thing isn't a muslim thing though, it's just their dumb ass culture. I guarantee you they didn't say that women aren't allowed to drive 1500 years ago. It's some asshole who thinks he's above people today (like a priest or something) that said it.

[–]Logical1ty 2 points3 points ago*

America is the most populated, influential, and powerful Western country whereas Saudi-Arabia follows a version of Islam that accounts for less than 1% of the world's total Muslims and also has a similarly tiny population (with disproportionate influence due to Western money).

Not exactly an equal comparison.

And if you're picking Saudi-Arabia because of its location (Arabia), then you should know the following:

Before the Saudis, Arabia (the part with the holy cities at least and Palestine) up until WW1 was ruled by Turkey which was at the time the Islamic version of the Vatican. They, the Muslim theocratic government which was the central authority of Islam, were kicked out of Arabia by the Saudis (who answered to the British through Lawrence of Arabia... simplifying it but that's the gist of it). The British and Americans gave these kingdoms to the Saudis and current Arab rulers.

Less than 100 years later and the Caliphate ceases to exist and Turkey has banned the hijab from government buildings (it's still popular with the people though).

The Vatican is still around in Rome and treated like a sovereign nation by the West.

Who's more free from religion? The guy you're disagreeing with, who has personal experience in the matter (and others like him), are saying this is ingrained into the culture which means it cannot be a simple matter of men telling women to put it on. The women are convinced they want to wear it much like how women in the West are convinced they want to wear high heels and other strange things because men have taught them to. That is what the picture is expressing.

Who popularized the bikini? Well it emerged initially for women's swimming (first from competition, then for swimming in general), but it became a cultural phenomenon seen on beaches everywhere due to men (in Hollywood).

Hollywood endorsed the new glamour with films such as Neptune's Daughter in which Esther Williams wore provocatively named costumes such as "Double Entendre" and "Honey Child".[17] With new materials like latex and nylon, by 1934 the swimsuit started hugging the body and had shoulder straps to lower for tanning.[18]

[...]

Finally, the modern bikini was introduced by French engineer Louis Réard and fashion designer Jacques Heim in Paris in 1946.

Regarding high heels (which originated as dress for royalty in Europe and for horse riders elsewhere),

Throughout most of the 19th century, flat shoes and sandals were usual for both sexes, but the heel resurfaced in fashion during the late 19th century, almost exclusively among women.

Women's fashion was still run by men in the 19th century. More:

Reasons against wearing high heels, which are almost exclusively health and practicality reasons, include:

[...]

Reasons for wearing high heels, which are almost exclusively aesthetic reasons, include:

[...]

In modern society, high-heeled shoes are a part of women's fashion, perhaps more as a sexual prop. High-heels force the body to tilt, emphasizing the buttocks and breasts, highlights of a woman's sexuality. They also emphasize the role of feet in sexuality, and the act of putting on stockings or high-heels is often seen as an erotic act.[9] This desire to look sexy and erotic continues to drive women to wear high-heeled shoes, despite causing significant pain in the ball of the foot, or bunions or corns, or Hammer toe. A survey conducted by the American Podiatric Medical Association showed some 42% of women admitted that they would wear a shoe they liked even if it gave them discomfort.[10]

Lastly,

www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-1-2009/burka-ban

[–]trannygirl15 -1 points0 points ago*

I'm not sure what point you think you're trying to make, exactly. In america, women are allowed to dress however they please. They are allowed to dress exactly as men do, if they want, without fear of consequences. They are also allowed to vote, to go places unaccompanied, to drive cars, to choose their sexual partners, to hold jobs and go for higher education, etc. American women are free to define themselves without asking for permission.

Some muslim women have all those rights too, but let's be a little intellectually honest here. Women who wear burqas (face covering gear), are part of the more conservative muslim groups. Wherever they may live in the world, these women probably couldn't just stop wearing the burqas if they chose to. Their own families would possibly disown them, threaten them, call them whores and all sorts of names, perhaps even beat them or even kill them. There's a word for that, it's called an "honor killing".

Most of these women do not just wear burqas by choice. There is extreme pressure from their peers for them to keep doing so. They aren't even allowed to question wearing it. If you ask them whether or not they are wearing burqas by choice, most of them will tell you that yes, they do. Their families would probably respond unfavorably if they even admitted that they'd rather not dress that way!

PS: If you want to talk about fashion. Bikinis are more comfortable than full-body swimsuits. Having wet fabric all over your body is not comfortable. Less wet fabric is better. Although the popularity of bikinis is largely due to fashion, it isn't the only reason. As for high heels, most of the women I see on the street wear flats. High heels are going down in popularity.

[–]Logical1ty 0 points1 point ago*

I'm not sure what point you think you're trying to make, exactly.

That this is the point the comic is trying to make:

The women are convinced they want to wear it much like how women in the West are convinced they want to wear high heels and other strange things because men have taught them to. That is what the picture is expressing.

It's not equivocating it's meant to make people ask questions about how much of their values are not freely selected by themselves but just absorbed by "osmosis" from their culture and taken unquestioningly (people like to talk about how they question everything... they're lying), something we easily point the finger at other cultures for.

Most of these women do not just wear burqas by choice.

Yes, they do. What's your experience in the matter? I'm living in Pakistan and most of my female family members are religious and wear it (the niqab) while the men don't care so much about religion (or the burqa).

There is extreme pressure from their peers for them to keep doing so.

The first one in my family to start wearing it was my aunt during grad school in the '90s (when the sentiment in Pakistan was generally against religious conservatism) and she was immediately discriminated against at school, mostly by faculty. This was an alien thing in my family, an average Pakistani family, but my grandparents were supportive of her. A professor even tried to embarrass her publicly by challenging her in front of other students to show where it says this in the Qur'an. Funnily enough he pulled out a translation (and all she did was flip to the verse) which mentioned in brackets that a khimar is a head covering and he shut up.

10 years later and the rest of the country, for better or worse intentions, has wound up following my aunt's lead.

My mom started covering her hair and using the veil as she turned 50 while living in the US after previously not having covered her hair at all in her life. My dad doesn't like it but doesn't care enough to make a big deal about it.

The burqa is only culturally ingrained into Afghan women (from this part of Asia) and in the Arab world you only see the niqab culturally ingrained into Gulf Arab culture, both of which are tiny minorities of the overall Muslim population in the world. Simply covering the hair (or hijab) is far more common but even that has faced bans in some Muslim countries (to stem the growing popularity).

If you ask them whether or not they are wearing burqas by choice, most of them will tell you that yes, they do. Their families would probably respond unfavorably if they even admitted that they'd rather not dress that way!

Right.

Now remember the other poster was an ex-Muslim who hates religion. And even he is trying to remind people that the desire to dress conservatively and cover up (with the hijab and/or burqa/niqab) is a matter of culture and women in the Muslim world generally want to cover up and see it as an issue of morality (they look down upon the culture of dress in the West). If even that guy is saying that and you couldn't get a more friendly voice from the Muslim world what hope do you have your completely made up beliefs on the issue can hold any water? (Even if they weren't made up by you there's a good chance they were made up by the TV shows you watch where you learned about them)

[–]ninjaDOLEMITE 2 points3 points ago

why does exposing yourself mean you have no respect for yourself?

I don't like the vast majority of people I meet on a daily basis, but I think american women are the best.

[–]Logical1ty 0 points1 point ago

why does exposing yourself mean you have no respect for yourself?

I don't know, go to any reddit thread full of slut shaming when women post pictures of themselves angling for attention.

http://skepchick.org/2011/12/reddit-makes-me-hate-atheists/ (this is not just an /r/atheism thing, it's the general trend on reddit)

[–]Lots42 0 points1 point ago

If the woman chooses to wear a burka, fine, more power to her. But in too many areas of the world, she has no choice BUT to wear it.

[–]urabusxrw 0 points1 point ago

And nobody's disagreeing that's wrong but you can't lump all muslim women in with those people. Like in america, obviously you have a choice but a lot of women choose to wear it.

[–]Lots42 0 points1 point ago

And we agree.

[–]ClassyMuffaFucka 0 points1 point ago

Disagree. They feel that way through indoctrination.

In our culture women have a right to express themselves how they want. I know plenty of women who don't like to dress like this and there are those who prefer to dress like this for whatever reason. It's a beautiful thing, expression.

[–]urabusxrw 2 points3 points ago

I'm not denying that not all women dress like that. But the ones that do, you call whores. It's not a unique thing to have my opinion, I'm just not so simple-minded as to call them sluts and have no reasoning behind it.

And in real countries yeah the women can dress in that garb but other women can also be christian or non-muslim and not wear the head thing at all. You're equating all muslims to Saudi's.

[–]rainbowjason 0 points1 point ago

SEEN'T IT

[–]apextek 0 points1 point ago

re re re reposted cartoon culture

[–]Anglo-Saxon 0 points1 point ago

I don't think that they're accurate for comparison. The bikini is worn at the beach so a woman can enjoy swimming and get a tan. Both activities are done because the woman enjoys them, not because the magical liberal media of semen has brainwashed her into showing off her titties to the world. While a burqa is worn in daily life and in public. A woman would wear this to protect herself from unwanted attention and to show her spirituality, not because the misogynist agenda of terrorists would chop her head off if she showed the world her nose.

Both items are generally an item of choice, with the exception of certain places that I'm sure someone will mention when they argue with me.

[–]gr4nf 0 points1 point ago

You choose to appear in a manner dictated by the male sex? Sounds like a darwinian species dominated by the desire to reproduce.

Women dress to attract men, ergo women dress how men dictate. Be it blankets head to toe or nothing at all.

[–]PerinealFavorite 0 points1 point ago

Hahahahaha! The joke is they are both male-dominated cultures!

[–]Voidkom 1 point2 points ago

Women in my society are systematically shunned if they dress like a prude.

[–]RepostThatShit 0 points1 point ago

Don't know what society you're talking about but I'll venture a guess that women in your society aren't exactly lining up to date guys who cross-dress as disney princesses, and I suppose you don't believe this proves your society is a female-dominated society that oppresses these guys.

Or maybe you do believe that, this is Reddit and so my expectations aren't exactly through the roof.

[–]Voidkom 2 points3 points ago*

It has nothing to do with a female-dominated society. It has everything to do with the fact that females are forced into roles of the obedient caregiver and childbearer and males forced into the aggressive workhorse. How can you say it's a female-dominated society with slogans like "behind every powerful man is a woman"? Western society is still a christian society, where man was created first and the woman was created to satisfy the man's needs.

[–]RepostThatShit -1 points0 points ago

I'm not saying it's a female-dominated society, maybe you missed where I specifically gave that as an example of something that anecdotes of what people consider attractive dress don't verify.

Can't believe it's been a half hour only and you already got downvoted for that. :E

[–]Voidkom 1 point2 points ago

Fair enough.

Can't believe it's been a half hour only and you already got downvoted for that. :E

Because reddit is filled with MRA.

[–]nicelander 0 points1 point ago

No not this fucking repost again. It's also að stupid comparison.

[–]ClassyMuffaFucka -2 points-1 points ago

This comic is stupid. The bikini woman CHOOSES to dress that way, same with the difference between a nun and those who wear burkas. Women get stoned or beaten for not adhering to burka wearing, whereas it is acceptable in other areas to wear whatever one chooses.

[–]lol-da-mar-s-cool 0 points1 point ago

Why do you think women "choose" to wear bikinis?

To attract men, and because it is the way a woman in Western Culture is "supposed to dress". Do you think women would wear a bikini if it didn't elicit a reaction from men/society? Of course not, there would be no reason to.

[–]420Warrior 2 points3 points ago

So women are too stupid to choose what to wear? A woman is unable to just wear a bikini because she likes to wear bikinis, the only possible reason that she would wear one is to please men and society?

This is all i'm hearing from you. Please explain to me if there was another point you were trying to make.

[–]lol-da-mar-s-cool 0 points1 point ago

My point is that women choosing to wear a bikini has more reasons behind it then them just "wanting" to. There is a lot of pressure from society on both men and women to dress/act a certain way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

You don't know a single fucking thing about women.

[–]lol-da-mar-s-cool 0 points1 point ago

was gonna downvote, bu then I looked at your username...

[–]Lots42 0 points1 point ago

The important difference is, she can CHOOSE to wear it.

[–]ClassyMuffaFucka 0 points1 point ago

I don't know, to stay cool, but that isn't the point. Nobody is telling them to dress like this and don't tell me it's because we live in a male dominated society, for the most part all of the women I know don't wear skimpy bikinis and those who do so like doing it. There is a lot of pressure for males to be muscular and wear the right clothes but you don't hear many of us complaining (I am a very skinny person). I like wearing the clothes I wear, not to impress females (as I am in a long distance thing right now) but because that's how I want to dress. The fact of the matter is is that we have a choice and saying that it is in our culture to dress how we dress is silly, a large majority of women do not go around in bikinis.

Oppression in America isn't what it used to be, far from saying its perfect, but in this aspect I see nothing wrong with someone wearing a bikini.

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[–]TrollingThunder 2 points3 points ago

It is a repost, as that annoying bot shows. However, it's funny and thought provoking, and I hope that all of the people that haven't seen it before get a chuckle and upvote accordingly.

Nice post, underdog.

[–]Hypothosaurus -1 points0 points ago

i saw this in my English class

[–]OperatorMike -1 points0 points ago

The one of the right is forced to wear that though or have her head chopped off.

[–]TheRepostReaper -2 points-1 points ago

repost, stop beating the horse, it's dead

[–]Illsavetheinternets -4 points-3 points ago

REPOST. BURN IN HELL NIGGAR.