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It also falls on all the gods (i.imgur.com)
submitted 5 months ago by Greenspyder7
[–]Telekineticism 73 points74 points75 points 5 months ago
For those making comments about Will Smith himself and not this tweet, well... see this.
[–]MrMadcap 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
Disappointed.
[–]snailwithmonocle 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
It actually is his. He just does that so he can say whatever he want.
[–]TerryArchi 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The avatar did seem like a googled picture
[–]future203 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Oh yes, thanks for helping me decide weather to not upvote this or to downvote this.
[–]Nowyouraman 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
It's funny that you posted that because if it wasn't really him then why did the voice in my head sound exactly like him when I read it?
[–]GastonBastardo 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
That, and the real Will Smith happens to be a Scientologist.
[–]Hero-in-a-halfshell 102 points103 points104 points 5 months ago
...said the Scientologist...
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 5 months ago
He's not a scientologist:
"I am a Christian. I am a student of all religions, and I respect all people and all paths." Smith gave $1.3 million to charities in 2007, of which $450,000 went to two Christian ministries, and $122,500 went to three Scientology organizations; the remaining beneficiaries included "a Los Angeles mosque, other Christian-based schools and churches, and [...] the Yitzhak Rabin Memorial Center in Israel"
[–]deathcat 39 points40 points41 points 5 months ago
He's pretty generous to Scientology for not being a Scientologist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/will-smith-donates-70000-_n_292252.html
[–]rahtin 24 points25 points26 points 5 months ago
Keeps him on the A-List.
[–]spinozasrobot 16 points17 points18 points 5 months ago
Pascal's Wager and all that.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
hollywood makes you crazy and all that, ...too
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
You'll notice in my first post I quoted:
Smith gave $1.3 million to charities in 2007, of which $450,000 went to two Christian ministries, and $122,500 went to three Scientology organizations; the remaining beneficiaries included "a Los Angeles mosque, other Christian-based schools and churches, and [...] the Yitzhak Rabin Memorial Center in Israel"
The Christians got 3.5+ times as much the scientologists. That's not an insignificant figure. As well, there were only two christian groups opposed to the three scientology ones, additionally another 700,000 went to the mosque, other schools and churches etc.
[–]servohahn 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Christianity and Scientology aren't necessarily incompatible. In fact, I'm willing to bet, the more money you have, the more compatible these two belief systems are.
That's the thing about belief systems. They're whatever you believe they are...
Belief in Xenu and Thetans and Jesus and Yaweh are quite incompatible... it doesn't matter if you call yourself a Christian if you accept another deity or supernatural being according the rules of the church you are not a Christian.
[–]yourfaceyourass 18 points19 points20 points 5 months ago
Not really any better =/
[–]cooperiswatching 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Makes him much worse IMHO.
[–]oldmoneey -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 months ago
Yeah! Charity is good and all, unless there's RELIGION involved!
[–]UnknownArchive 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
You seem to think scientology does anything positive for anyone.
[–]westborn 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
As much as I dislike scientology, they do at least maintain a disaster relief team that does seem to be pretty active.
Not that it makes a huge notch in the negative karma they've stockpiled and even if it's maintained just for leagal or PR reasons, tries to do missionary work or offer complimentary thetan tests at the same time, it still does something positive for somebody.
[–]oldmoneey 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Okay... Maybe Scientology can go fuck itself...
But I see nothing wrong with Christian charities.
[–]Hero-in-a-halfshell 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Woah, I had a total misconception! Thanks for the correction, I'll leave my other comment up in it's original form so that others may be educated. Thanks!
[–]drobird -21 points-20 points-19 points 5 months ago
Um you know scientologists can be Christians right.
[–]Irish_Whiskey 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
I don't see how. The mythology of Jesus and Lord Xenu are pretty incompatible.
You can absolutely call yourself a Christian and a Scientology and not think or care about the discrepancies in the doctrines, or call yourself either without actually believing in any of the mythological claims just associating with the groups. But there's no reason why anyone else should respect or agree with those definitions when discussing religions.
Will Smith is quite likely a Christian, who associates with and supports Scientology because it's useful in Hollywood. In doing so he props up an immoral organization that engages in abusive cult behavior for his own benefit, and I don't respect him because of it. The patent absurdity of the actual claims of Hubbard and the doctrines of the church aren't nearly as important, as giving financial support to an organization that makes the Catholic church look democratic and egalitarian.
[–]drobird -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
First off very few people become OT or operating thetans second the xenu stuff is not till ot 3 so even farther along the bridge than most will ever get. We are talking like 10 years or longer to get to this point assuming you can afford it. Also it's not lord xenu he simply was some evil dictator not some one to bow down to and worship just an evil dude who blew up a few volcanoes with a bunch of aliens in them. Countless people call them self's Christians who know nothing about the bible or it's history so are you going to discount what they say as well?
The simple fact is there is nothing barring a scientologist describing them self's as a christian. Simply because all of reddit seems to have gotten it's understanding of Scientology from south park does not make it any less true.
I think it's all bullshit but the fact he is a AAA actor will smith does not need the help of scientology. He gave money to them because he believes in it not how hes using the trite many paths to god bullshit.
First off very few people become OT or operating thetans second the xenu stuff is not till ot 3 so even farther along the bridge than most will ever get.
I'm not sure how that's relevant. Either they don't know or believe sufficient tenets to be called a Scientologist in any religious sense and are just patsies in waiting, or they do and it's incompatible with Christianity. If they are even vaguely aware of thetans and alien souls and believe any of it, it's sufficient to contradict central Christian tenets.
Countless people call them self's Christians who know nothing about the bible
I've never met one who didn't know that Jesus was the son of God, died for people's sins, was resurrected, and people need to have faith in and revere him to go to heaven. What's the Scientology equivalent of that? I'm guessing it's not "see Tom Cruise movies", but more specific and exclusive of other religions.
The simple fact is there is nothing barring a scientologist describing them self's as a christian
There's nothing barring me from describing myself as an adherent of all sorts of contradicting claims. I could call myself a round and flat earther. But all it would mean is that I have a greater attachment to labels than common sense.
Simply because all of reddit seems to have gotten it's understanding of Scientology from south park does not make it any less true.
I've read L. Ron Hubbards words and about what the organization does and teaches. South Park if anything underplayed the silliness, and didn't touch upon the abuse.
I think it's all bullshit but the fact he is a AAA actor will smith does not need the help of scientology.
And what about his kids, the two unimpressive actors/musicians he's trying to build careers for? I'm guessing enrolling them in the Scientology school right down the street from me had more than a little to do with their careers.
No the scientology school did little to make them actors the fact they are will smiths kids had everything to do with it.
You know fuck all about scientology if you don't understand how people on different places on the bridge know different things about the tech. Honestly this is like day one stuff very basic the religion is compartmentalized.
There is nothing in the basic tech that prevents you from accepting the truths of the bible and even with the other stuff past the wall of fire it would take little to gloss of inconsistencies. The center dogma of scientology is you are a spirit being hampered by other spirits or demons.
You know fuck all about scientology if you don't understand how people on different places on the bridge know different things about the tech.
Given your unwavering assertions of certainty, it is entirely possible you know more about it than me. But if you'd read my response, you'd see I acknowledged that there were such levels. My simple point was that there is for religions a general sufficient requirement of belief needed to consider a person actually part of the religion. The Christian one, despite how many diverse sects there are, is rather specific: Belief in Jesus as a resurrected savior and no gods or magic but that from Yahweh. I can't think of a group that'd be considered Christian that doesn't meet that. So what's Scientology? Because I don't believe the minimum belief needed to be considered a member of the religion rather than propping up an abusive cult organization like Will Smith is doing, is compatible with Christianity. You could also claim that Jesus is the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That wouldn't be compatible with Christianity either.
I asked you a simple question as to what you'd consider that description of a minimum required belief to be which distinguishes it as a religion. Since I know "fuck all" and you are so informed, please enlighten me. Insults don't convince people, facts do.
I see your wisdom and insight now extends to inside Hollywood studio back-dealing. Getting two young unproven kids major movie roles in established franchises isn't a simple matter, even for Will Smith. Your casual unfounded dismissal of the notion that'd he'd make contacts with the well-connected Scientologists in Hollywood to advance his and their careers, seems like you are simply ignoring any facts that don't fit your preferred conclusion. If you have a reason that couldn't be the motivation, I'd love to hear it.
The center dogma of scientology is you are a spirit being hampered by other spirits or demons.
But not Christian spirits. And not Christian demons. You might as well claim to be a Hindu or Buddhism Christian, simply because you choose to accept the Jesus claims in addition to the other stuff. As I said, Christianity isn't simply "believe this and whatever other stuff you feel like", it requires a rejection of other sources of spirits. As soon as you start talking about Thetans or Valhalla, you've sufficiently gone outside the bounds of Christian mythology to constitute a new faith incorporating parts of others.
No Christians don't think there's only power from jesus it comes from the holy spirit. The holy spirit works through people hell look at people like benny hinn and todd bently people honestly think god gives them powers to cure people who is it so hard to apply that to lrh?
Oh come on is it that hard to think that will smith has a little pull in holy wood? His girl has done a few music videos his boy did an ok job in the new karate kid. they are not devoid of latent and hell you have a A LIST DAD it cant hurt.
Not really there are many christians who think that the earth is old and reject the creation myth of the bible. s
[–]JFULLFlex 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I don't know why you are being down voted. You are indeed correct.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure (he) has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred.... You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.... No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which the arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway ... this anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light-bearer" or "light-bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment.... My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period.
-- L. Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing
[–]drobird -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 months ago
This is not taught as current church doctrine. People in Scientology genuinely can be Christians and be on the bridge. I am not saying i believe any of this horse shit. Simply stating that a not small number of people in the church still profess to be christian.
[–]dakta 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Being Christian and professing to be "Christian" are two entirely separate things. However, Scientologists cannot be Christians.
[–]drobird -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 months ago
Prove it.
[–]Herculix 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
their gods are different, it's pretty straight forward. i don't know how people can be posing this question. if you want to be a dual apologist and only have fake beliefs about everything then that is your choice, but you are definitely not Christian if you believe in anything else but God, even if you also believe in God. it's an unforgivable sin, no matter how you cherry pick the Bible.
[–]drobird -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 months ago
Um scientology really does not have any god figure other than the person more or less reaching nirvana through possible reincarnation.
No, use your own fucking brain to think through something as obvious as clouds in the sky on a cloudy day.
Who is the god head in scientology that replaces jesus then?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Smith said "I just think a lot of the ideas in Scientology are brilliant and revolutionary and non-religious"[33][34] and "Ninety-eight percent of the principles in Scientology are identical to the principles of the Bible...."
[–]Irish_Whiskey 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
"Ninety-eight percent of the principles in Scientology are identical to the principles of the Bible...."
What utter bullshit.
It's obvious that a person can call themselves whatever they like. Like capitalist and a communist, or a creation scientist. But there's no reason we should accept their definitions when they don't reflect reality.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
He also said: "I am a Christian. I am a student of all religions."
[–]ramkahen 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Not really, no. The two religions are very much at odds, and no "true" Christian would give money to scientology unless they were a scientology believer.
This goes the other way around as well, so the fact that he gave to both religions is kind of a mind fuck.
You really don't know much about nonfundie christian sects do you?
I don't know what this means.
Unless defining Christianity as anything at all involving Jesus, the religious doctrines of Scientology are very incompatible. There are lots of religions that worship or revere Jesus and others (including Islam and the Bahai). But they aren't Christianity as it's defined both by the beliefs it includes, and excludes.
i admire you taking him at his word, but you must see how he wouldn't want to be publicly identified as a scientologist after the Cruise stuff.
So you think he donated 1.3 million to Jewish, Islamic and other centres of learning as a cover to hide his religion?
no, but i think it can help to be associated with scientology as an actor, even if you aren't one. spreading donations around is probably for tax reasons, as well as potentially covering the significance of any specific donation. i do think he's clever enough to know scientology isn't the most popular thing worldwide, but i accept he is, or at least sees himself as a christian, as you said in your other quote.
[–]newwin -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
Yeah he actually is a scientologist.
[–]dakta 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Actually, that's not really Will Smith's account.
This is Will Smith's account.
[–]CrazyBluePrime 9 points10 points11 points 5 months ago
...I have no idea why anyone would take this advice.
[–]sndzag1 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Can you explain what you mean by that? I can see how it can be misinterpreted (and warped for use on both sides of the church vs. science arguments), but I believe it was originally referring to people spreading beliefs they themselves can not back up with any evidence.
If someone tells you -- for example -- a warlord in Africa is killing people, do research on it, read the research that exists, and come to a conclusion, before spouting off the horrors of it and claiming to know how to fix it. Be informed on what you promote. It's good advice.
[–]dakta 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
This is why
Oh, I was just talking about the advice itself -- not who was saying it.
[–]CrazyBluePrime 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I'd pity someone trying to tell me this to have me stop discussing a topic, because their method of understanding the world appears to be quite limited. There are many things that we take as a given without having to test for ourselves, but that does not mean that it's poor information, we just have to understand what the evidence and methodology that was used and portion our acceptance of that information with the support that it has.
[–]HaggarShoes 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Empiricism. Fuck yeah! Oh wait...
[–]googleitduh 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
The twitter account is a parody.
[–]Kikwit -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
Let the hive-mind do it's thing man. Don't make it wierd.
[–]LupeFiascoStoleMyHat 9 points10 points11 points 5 months ago
He's just showing off because he can hear things on other planets with those bloody great jug ears.
[–]googleitduh 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I think this is in reference to the recent rumors of him being gay.
[–]Kryptonik23 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Man Will Smith is awesome
[–]wahwahwildcat 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I don't have the slightest idea of what this means, anyone wanna take a stab?
I think this comment was in response to the tabloids saying him and JP Smith are getting a divorce...
[–]HoochCow 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The funny thing here is that Will Smith is a Christian who respects Scientology as a religion and way of life but doesn't follow it (although according to his Wikipedia page he has donated money to it)
[–]TheDobligator 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I wish I could super-upvote. Will Smith is a smart man.
[–]Justavian 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence.
I appreciate his sentiment, though...
[–]PivotalPlatypus 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-air, dun da dada dun dun.....
[–]ramkahen 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
This is an incredibly naive statement.
Believing in things you didn't witness is a pretty universal concept for both science and superstition proponents.
<insert Jackie Chan meme here>
[–]robak69 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
this is the shittiest advice ever. what about stuff in textbooks. or, i dont know regular books that we need to learn from. will smith confirmed for just another stupid actor.
[–]Epicaq 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Mudit Bansal speaks the truth! :p
[–]duganaok 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
There goes art
[–]0mniscient 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
How did this shit even make it to the front page?
[–]ugolino91 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I wonder if he realizes that this also applies to scientology?
[–]djivan 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Don't under estimate the mind.
[–]thisguy95 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
So basically dont have trust anything you didnt see you hear first hand. Sounds really great thought Will Smith.
So basically anything that is thought up conceptually and you didnt see or hear just blatently disregard. Eery major scientific theory out there, poof...gone.
[–]OjosAzules 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Why would he donate to any religion. They are all huge businesses with tons of money in them. I'm sure there was a more needy group that would have really needed it
[–]mrlint 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Electron Microscopy would like to have a word.
[–]maximm 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
isn't that idiot a scientologist?
[–]Slotos 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
One of the worst arguments for skeptical outlook ever. Human hearing and eyesight are so worthless in a process of knowing the world that relying on them is like saying "hey, it worked for my ancestors".
[–]Hop-Froggystyle 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Judging by these comments, Will Smith tried to jump the shark but got eaten by it. Damn Reddit, you scary!
[–]Ohherropreaseee 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
95% of Redditors are stupid as fuuuuck. You guys fall for the people who say they found whatever animal cold and starving outside, the fake text message conversations, fake facebook posts, and lately the parody Twitter accounts.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
It's not that we "fall for it" as much as we are entertained by it. Would you say a person that watches House is stupid because they cried when Kumar blew his head off? You know it's not real, but you like to be entertained so you engage it.
[–]bleedingheartsurgery 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
yeah, plus screaming FAKE every five minutes starts to smell like youtube comments
But if I have experienced something unusual, please tell me how its impossible.
[–]greendabre 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Because our mind plays tricks on us. You are responsible for scientifically analyzing every experience that is beyond the natural. Eventually, you will come to realize that your brain just tricked you, or it was pure coincidence.
Every claim requires evidence, and personal experience does not count as evidence. Sorry.
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[–]dieselmachine 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
But if you weren't lazy, you could google footage of nuclear tests, which would mean seeing it with your own eyes. In this case, the only limiting factor is the lack of effort you put into it, not the complete absence of any sort of evidence whatsoever, which I think is more what he was getting at.
[–]colbertian 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
You've seen evidence that the atom bomb exists.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
You misunderstand what I'm trying to say.
[–]colbertian 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
What are you trying to say?
Just that there are things that most people will not see directly with their naked eyes but we know exist.
[–]colbertian -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
Your own eyes can see evidence of an atom bomb
[–]ffca -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
I find this quote quite relevant and poignant:
My father couldn't understand how I could believe in a God that I can't see, hear, or touch. But I pointed out that I can't see, hear, or touch an atom either, but I believe it exists.
-Steve Urkel
[–]sndzag1 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
But that's also not true. We have images of atoms now.
This is true, we also can change the state of matter atoms are in and observe repeatable, visible effects.
Also atoms are real and you're touching them right now.
[–]MiggyEvans 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
In other words "Anecodatal Evidence and Personal Experience are what matter most"
[–]Mishahh 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
what a beautiful chocolate man.
[–]HungarianFever 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
That was close...I almost gave up some karma. Smith is a Scientologist.
[–]TheRPGAddict 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Isn't he a scientologist?
[–]CaNANDian -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
"small mind"
ok...
[–]rushiku -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
So, The Fresh Prince doesn't want Limbaugh playing his music either?
[–]HeWhoPunchesFish -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
TIL WILL SMITH IS LITERALLY SO BRAVE, HE SHOULD DO AN AMA
WILL SMITH/RON PAUL 2012
[–]mrburnz -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
Sounds Buddhist.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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