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[–]mtldude1967 123 points124 points ago*

Don't worry...it'll all blow over in another 1500 years or so. Then they'll have to deal with the Pastafarians.

[–]Newtonyd 128 points129 points ago

She's a saucerer, burn her!

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points ago

Or perhaps stew her with tomatoes and a little basil as an offering to His Noodlieness. Delicious.

[–]Rudahn 25 points26 points ago

R'amen!

[–]s1thl0rd 10 points11 points ago

HERETIC! When you die, you will SEE the Lord in all his Soup but your noodles will not be allowed to enter his Can of Deliciousness. All praise to the Holy Soup Can. All Souptonians and Cannites unite! Let us rain death upon these infidels until all their noodly appendages are overcooked!

[–]Poohunter 1 point2 points ago

"but your noodles will not be allowed to enter his Can of Deliciousness." So glad I read that twice

[–]ChiefGrizzly 22 points23 points ago

I listened to an Islamic scholar whose name escpaes me right now that believed that Islam was going through the same renaissance of moderate thinking that created the more pacified Chrisitianity we have today as opposed to the batshit insane Chrisitianity that burned witches and went on crusades. He believed that Islamic extremism was a reactionary movement to a more moderate reading of the Quran, and that rather than being a warning of increased extremism to come, it was actually the death throws of a relatively young religion's more extreme views.

I wish I had the name of the scholar to hand, hopefully i'll be able to find his name so I can give a source to my bastardised summary of something I heard a couple of years ago.

[–]3DPD 8 points9 points ago

throes. wouldn't have commented but you made me forget the right word and i had to google it

[–]BadEnding 1 point2 points ago

I had to double check. Checks out. throe, n.

[–]Cforq 10 points11 points ago

I've heard this pretty often and I think it is a load of crap. Islam stared as a religion was war. Muhammad was a leader of a force of thousands that spent eight years fighting with and eventually conquering Mecca. Islam already had enlightened areas - there were times they lead the world in science and learning. Also I hate the "we are just mimicking Christianity thing". They are a different religion, and religions don't follow the same pattern. Show me this happening in Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Taoism, or any other religion.

[–]IgnorantDesign 2 points3 points ago

Uh, you do realize that one of the most important texts in Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita, takes place entirely within the context of a war?

[–]Cforq 0 points1 point ago

And can you point me to their equivalent of the crusades, the inquisition, and/or witch hunts?

[–]crazy_desi 1 point2 points ago

Atheist Indian here.. they had their share of witch hunts, but not crusades or inquisiitons

[–]ManishSinha 1 point2 points ago

Atheist Indian here, there are still witch hunts in area like Jharkhand and the witches are called Dions. By the way it has nothing to do with religion and purely a cultural issue stemming out of ignorance

[–]crazy_desi 0 points1 point ago

Thats what I was referring to.

[–]Casual_Lurker1 3 points4 points ago

Culture tends to permutate whether or not they have different religions. The difference between 1100's Christianity crusades and today's Islam Jihad is miniscule (for the glory of god/allah etc.) except that the latter's culture is rapidly accelerating toward a form of modernism that, while it won't be on par with the rest of the industrialized world for another 100 years, is actively occurring now. No, religions don't follow the same patterns, but societies do. As cultures become more connected and aware of an outside world, they begin the trade of ideas and culture and will change - it just becomes a question of whether they will change slowly or rapidly. While they will develop their own unique cultural aspects and mindsets, they'll still conform with what they view to be strong cultural icons.

[–]JasonMacker 5 points6 points ago

I've heard this pretty often and I think it is a load of crap. Islam stared as a religion was war.

Show me this happening in Judaism

Uh, do you know Jewish history? Moses was a military leader...

[–]Cforq 1 point2 points ago

1) Abraham is credited as the founder of Judaism, not Moses.

2) My point was more in reference to the "last throes" part of it. Where is the equivalent to the crusades, inquisitions, and witch hunts in Judaism?

[–]JasonMacker 1 point2 points ago

1) Abraham is credited as the founder of Judaism, not Moses.

Abraham is credited as the founder of monotheism, not Judaism. God promised to Abraham that his descendents will become part of a great nation. One of his descendents, Moses, is the one who got the 613 Mitzvot.

2) My point was more in reference to the "last throes" part of it. Where is the equivalent to the crusades, inquisitions, and witch hunts in Judaism?

Try reading the Book of Numbers.

[–]mleeeeeee 1 point2 points ago

Abraham is credited as the founder of Judaism, not Moses.

No, Abraham is regarded as the patriarch of not only the Jews (the Israelites, i.e. sons of Jacob), but also the Arabs (the Ishmaelites) and other tribes.

Moses is regarded as the great deliverer of the Israelites, and the father of their existence as a settled territorial nation.

[–]RepostThatShit -1 points0 points ago

Why does it matter that Moses wasn't the "founder"? I guess by your logic the crusades don't count either because Jesus didn't personally lead them.

By the way, I in no way want to get entangled in this pointless argument, I'm just pointing out that your logic isn't consistent at all.

[–]Cforq 0 points1 point ago

You are twisting my words a bit. My point is that religions don't follow the same pattern - so there is no basis for saying Islam is following the development pattern of Christianity.

[–]toodrunktofuck -2 points-1 points ago

A lot of people say that. And I think that argument (that Islam needs its own "renaissance" and "age of enlightenment") is quite stupid. To put it in the most simple terms: extremist muslims don't live on the moon and have quite the possibility to leer at christianity's dark history and learn from it. But they proactively don't want to pick up secular ideas.

[–]sirbruce 9 points10 points ago

I disagree. Plenty of extremist muslims "live on the moon"; I don't think the Wahabists in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan get much education on the Enlightenment and Protestantism, let alone an unbiased one.

[–]Cforq 0 points1 point ago

Yet if you look at most of the leaders of they almost always come from educated backgrounds.

[–]sirbruce 1 point2 points ago

Sadly the educated are often in a better position to exploit the uneducated.

[–]toodrunktofuck 0 points1 point ago

While this is surely true for people in very rural/ piss-poor areas it is surely not the case for a majority. Let's just take those who live in Europe (more than one would think in Germany and France). It is not necessary for them to know a lot about enlightenment and history to see that in these countries people are not prosecuted for their faiths etc. and this is among the reasons they reject the democracies they live in. The striving towards Islam as the only legislative and jurisdiction is a guiding principle in Islam. Therefore fundamental Islam cannot be secularized. Christianity in opposition has secular political systems „built in“ right from the start (see John 18:13, Luke 20:25 for example). Though deeply interwoven there was always the opposition of the Holy Roman Empire and the Pope. What I am saying is that the secularization of Europe is based upon very specific premises that simply do not exist in the "Muslim World". Of course Islam as practiced by Muslims will change over times but it is stupid to predict changes that are similar to those that took place because of a specific historical constellation. It will be something different and will have to be described in its own terms.

[–]doesnotgetthepoint 6 points7 points ago

Pasta in all the orifices!

[–]derezzeduser 28 points29 points ago

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

Our chief weapon is surprise, fear and surprise; two chief weapons, fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among our chief weapons are: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope!

Um, I'll come in again...

[–]EpicJ 2 points3 points ago

Actually they used to tell you before hand about 30 to 40 days

[–]ssj2killergoten 0 points1 point ago

Learned that one from QI. They just HAVE to ruin everything

[–]JasonMacker 0 points1 point ago

But what of the ruins at the acropolis, where the Parthenon is?

[–]HollowBastion 17 points18 points ago

That dude is a fucking witch. He's been alive for two thousand years.

[–]butterflypoon 5 points6 points ago

Maybe he's a Time Lord.

[–]lollerkeet 0 points1 point ago

If he was a witch, would he really have survived the dunking?

[–]bcpond 0 points1 point ago

I freebased some eye of newt just before they captured me.

[–]schad500 16 points17 points ago

Yes, of course.

Next up: Mormons.

[–]SoepWal 13 points14 points ago

Mormonism is a religion of peace! If black people wanted to stay normal they shouldn't have made war on Jesus.

[–]Wxnzxn 1 point2 points ago

I just have to say, a little bit out of context, that the "religion of peace" really is a misinterpretation.

  1. Peace didn't necessarily mean absence of war, but was/is often used as "civil order". Civil order that can be implemented by the sword.

  2. Christianity had indeed often played the role of the negotiator and peacekeeper in Europe. How? Because the catholic church wanted to assert it's power and keep catholics from fightin catholics, thus weakening the overall power of those loyal to the pope.

Of course it initiated wars in it's own interest all the time as well. Still, those nobles willing to keep their swords in the scabbard unless told to draw it were considered more pious than others.

So, really, this whole "religion of peace" is something that sort of changed it's meaning. They never claimed to be "peaceful" as we would claim today. And I personally think, the "religion of peace" that is claimed by some of the more radical muslims has a similiar meaning as above, meaning the religion of "law and order" so to speak.

[–]ApologeticCanadian 12 points13 points ago

I'm sorry.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

Why are you sorry? Are you a MUSLIM Canadian?

[–]RdMrcr 19 points20 points ago

Canadians are a nation of peace, its okay.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago

Whew... that was a close one.

...

Wait a minute...

[–]Mylon 9 points10 points ago

This comic is missing a panel where the Christian is chasing the guy with a baseball bat yelling, "Fag!". Oh wait, that would imply they haven't calmed down.

[–]JamMasterFelch 8 points9 points ago

How long before the majority of Muslims stop being religious? my guess is an extremely long period of time.

[–]mavriksfan11 8 points9 points ago

If you look at history you'll see that European influence spread (in a rather gruesome fashion) to conquer and take precedent before most cultures in the world through colonies in Africa, Asia, and the Americas.

The one place that didn't receive this influence as much was the Middle East. The Ottoman Empire was often ignored by Europeans and when it dissolved, the European powers just drew a bunch of circles and squares on a map to make the countries we now have there (Iraq for example).

Seeing as how most places that were colonized suffered immensely because of it (natives in the Americas, natives in Africa etc), we can see why the Middle East would be hesitant to accept Westernization. The problem is that industry and money-making are what Western civilization does well. Those two things often influence society and culture tremendously. There is one thing the Middle East can hold onto while still adopting Western business sense and industrial innovation, and that is Islam.

I'm not trying to justify anything, and as an ex-muslim, I have some serious issues with Islam as a religious doctrine, but if you want to understand why Islam has a strong foothold in the Middle East, that's why.

Disclaimer: the majority of muslims don't live in the Middle East, so this doesn't apply to most Muslims, just the fiercely religious ones.

[–]cyberslick188 2 points3 points ago

While it's true that the majority of muslims don't technically live in the Middle East, it's also worth noting that by far the highest densities per person of Islam are found in the Middle East, and Greater Middle East.

[–]Dakillakan 3 points4 points ago

Indonesia is 86% Muslim.

[–]cyberslick188 1 point2 points ago

And?

The overwhelming average density of muslims is in the Greater Middle East area. The sheer number amount may be elsewhere, but the population of the world where Islam is the highest percentage of people is in the Greater Middle Eastern area.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/maps/muslim.html

I'm not sure what there is to downvote here, I stated a verifiable fact.

[–]Dakillakan 0 points1 point ago

Sorry, I misread, I thought you said meant the countries with the highest ratio of Islam were all in the middle east.

[–]justicia311 -1 points0 points ago

During the colonial era a majority of muslims across the globe lived under colonial rule. I don't see how a less populated middle east being independent really matters, it's not as if islamic thought can only develop in the ME.

[–]cyberslick188 -1 points0 points ago

I wasn't really making any political statements or anything, just noting a simple fact.

[–]mavriksfan11 0 points1 point ago

That has very little to do with most of what I said.

[–]cyberslick188 0 points1 point ago

I disagree.

[–]mavriksfan11 0 points1 point ago

Oh?

I was talking about why Islam has a foothold in the Middle East, from a historical and social standpoint. Then as a disclaimer I reminded everyone that a majority of muslims don't live in the Middle East, so this doesn't apply to most muslims.

And you said "Don't forget. Lots of muslims live in the Middle East!"

Of course they do, otherwise it would be pointless to talk about the strong hold Islam has on the Middle East.

[–]sirbruce 1 point2 points ago

Probably about 400 years.

[–]JamMasterFelch 1 point2 points ago

Seth Macfarlane in a interview said around 200 years which I thought was way too soon. My guestimate is around 600-800 and that's if they havent murdered all the infidels by then.

[–]IlikeHistory 3 points4 points ago*

Ok I am going to post this to dispel the idea of religion and violence going hand in hand. Catholic Europe seems to have had less battlefield deaths than ancient Europe or more modern Europe by century. (I haven't looked at numbers for other religions or other regions of the world and the numbers might be harder to come by).

I am going to use Europe as an example to illustrate different time periods and the different battlefield casualty numbers

The time period 900 AD- 1400 AD seems to be one of the most peaceful times in Europe's history given battlefield casualties and it was also a time when Europe was united under a single religion. Could it be the Catholic Church actually minimized warfare between the barbarian tribes of Europe? (this is just theory and speculation to break up some preconceived notions of religion and I realize correlation doesn't equal causation)

This is under the rule of the Catholic Church since Protestantism has not taken over parts of Europe yet. In just 350 years Ancient Greece lost 300k men and Greece was only the size of one country. In 550 years in the Middle Ages Europe lost around 435k men and that is a large collection of countries.


Note I cannot access Pitirim Sorokin full book so I have to go to a third party website to get some of his data.

A large collection of countries "Pitirim Sorokin estimated that Europeans lost some 435,000 men on the battlefield between 900 and 1450 CE:"

A collection of many European countries 435000/550= 790 casualties per year

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

A single country Greece "TOTAL: 303,460 Greeks lost on the battlefield from 500 to 146 BCE"

Single country Greece is averaging 303,000/354= 855 battle casualties per year

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#Ellas

Some data on Rome just for a rough comparison

"Extremely Preliminary and Debatable) TOTAL:

All Punic Wars: 1.0M
Gladiators: 1.0M
Slave Wars (Servile Wars): 1.0M
Cimbri-Teutoni War: 0.3M
Social War: 0.3M
Mithridatic Wars: ca. 0.5M
Gallic War: 1.0M
Juleo-Claudian Paranoia: 0.028M
Jewish Wars: 0.4M
Boudica's Revolt: 0.15M
Decline and Fall: 7.0M
TOTAL: over 13.0M"

http://necrometrics.com/romestat.htm


Summary figures for 9 European Countries from 1101 to 1925

Century------ Armies Strength-----Casualties

1101-1200-----1,161,000-------29,000

1201-1300----2,372,000--------68,440

1301-1400---- 3,947,000--------169,929

1401-1500----6,910,000---------364,220

1501-1600---16,707,000---------896,195

1601-1700---25,796,000---------3,711,090

1701-1800---31,055,000---------4,505,990

1801-1900---24,233,800---------3,625,627

1901-1925---60,425,000---------22,035,150

Page 549 Social and cultural dynamics: a study of change in major systems Pitirim Aleksandrovich Sorokin

http://books.google.com/books?id=fbZyka2W_1cC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Age of Enlightenment originating around 1650 doesn't seem to diminish the level of battlefield casualties. In fact during the 1600's we see a sharp upturn (once again I am aware correlation doesn't equal causation and obviously technology plays a role)

"An Age of Enlightenment (or simply the Enlightenment or Age of Reason) was a cultural movement of intellectuals in 18th century Europe, that sought to mobilize the power of reason, in order to reform society and advance knowledge. It promoted science and intellectual interchange and opposed superstition,[1] intolerance and abuses in church and state. Originating about 1650 to 1700, "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages

Martin Luther (the guy associated with Protestantism) his Ninety-Five Theses in 1517 for some time comparisons.

[–]EvanRWT 1 point2 points ago

Your same source also says that 3 million people died in the Crusades between 1095 and 1191.

Yet you quote a source saying that only 435,000 men "died on the battlefield" between 900 and 1450, a period that includes the Crusades. You even do a calculation based on this figure to show how ancient Greece was so much worse based on these numbers.

What am I not understanding? Did you not include the Crusades in your quote? I have read many estimates of deaths in the Crusades, ranging from 1 million to 9 million. I guess nobody knows the exact number, but all seem to agree on the order of millions. Why is your total only 435,000 seeing that it includes over 5 centuries, while the figure for the Crusades is only 1 century out of those 5?

Are these not "battlefield deaths"? Do European deaths in Middle Eastern battlefields not count? What is going on?

[–]IlikeHistory 0 points1 point ago*

I was only using Pitirim Sorokins numbers. That website lists estimates from all kinds of different sources and some of them are unreliable. I only used the website because I cannot see Pitirim Sorokins full book without paying a lot of money.

I used Pitirim Sorokins numbers because there is a famous paper written by William Eckhardt in the 1990s called War-related Deaths Since 3000 BC which describes Sorokins numbers as "the only systemic estimates from 500 BC to 1500 AD for 11 European nations"

I don't have an accurate death toll form the Crusades on hand at the moment but Wikipedia lists them from 1 million to 3 million. This takes place over a 300 year time period and includes civilians as well. You of course have civilians dying during the wars from famines and massacres such as the Christian massacre of Jerusalem and the Muslim massacres of Edessa and Acre.

Pitirim Sorokins numbers were just for Greek and 11 European nation's soldiers killed in battle. They were not the casualties for all the armies they fought or civilians who died in war.

For instance in the Second Persian Invasion of Greece it is estimated the Persians brought with them 300k too 500k men. Of those only about 100k were combat troops. that included a navy as well they brought with them though.

Source

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QXpHeKULZg&feature=related

Anyways calculating just the solider deaths on each side of the Crusades would take some research.

Edit: Here is quote on the Crusades which describes the death toll having more to do with disease and famine than battlefield causalities.

"As in almost all medieval wars the casualties and material damage were relatively light and localized. More people died of disease or starvation as a direct or indirect result of these campaigns than were killed in these campaigns"

Page 81 The Crusades By David Nicolle

http://books.google.com/books?id=dnznUKptrbMC&printsec=frontcover

[–]EvanRWT 0 points1 point ago

I used Pitirim Sorokins numbers because there is a famous paper written by William Eckhardt in the 1990s called War-related Deaths Since 3000 BC which describes Sorokins numbers as "the only systemic estimates from 500 BC to 1500 AD for 11 European nations"

There are at least a dozen estimates of the deaths in the Crusades from various historians, which range between 1 million to 9 million. I am not sure I understand the logic of overturning the work of a dozen (or more) historians based on the word of one historian. Unless Mr. Eckhardt's opinion is the consensus opinion among the majority of historians today? Can you confirm this?

I am also unsure about the reasoning behind including only "battlefield deaths". If the point is to prove that fewer people died as a result of war in the Christian era than in pagan Greece, then this criteria is singularly useless. A death is a death, and a civilian's life is no less worthy than that of a soldier. Some might argue that violence which kills women and children is even worse than that which kills soldiers, who at least understood their fate.

Wars kill people in many ways, among which battlefield deaths are only a part. Deliberate policies of killing civilians, burning farmland, setting fire to cities with their populations inside - these are all deaths directly attributable to war - and it makes not one whit of difference to the original post about deaths in the name of religion.

It makes me wonder whether Sorokins' number includes the various purges against the Jews during this period. They were certainly not battlefield deaths, but they were definitely caused by religion.

I read through some of your previous posts about education and illiteracy during the middle ages, and the role of the Catholic Church in science and the arts. While I appreciate the fact that you take the trouble to provide citations for what you say, I get the uncomfortable feeling that this does not avoid a major bias on your part, since you choose to tell one side of the story, which you back up with citations. Of course, people here are free to provide citations of their own, but many of us are not historians and don't have them handy.

The reason why I think your account biased is because it touches only upon the consequences, not the causes. Yes, it is a fact that learning was kept alive in the monasteries. Yes, it is a fact that many of the scholars, few as they were, did belong to the Catholic Church. But does this really mean anything unless you also ask why, and what the situation might have been without a Catholic Church?

In a time when people got burned at the stake for small heresies, is it any wonder that most scholars in the western world were Christian? If they were not Christian, wouldn't they have been dead? Being a scholar requires some freedom from daily concerns. If you wish to write a book or study a scientific subject, you can only do so if you have some education to begin with, and aren't grubbing for food from sunup to sundown. Peasants didn't have much free time for this, nor the education. They couldn't write those beautiful manuscripts or even read them, since they were illiterate.

My perspective is that the Church did these things because the Church could afford to - it was among the wealthiest institutions of the time. Not only were people required to tithe 10% of their income to the Church, many gave freely above and beyond that. Many others had their property revert to the Church, either over Church-led accusations of heresy, or because their were problems with inheritance, or because they died without heirs. Kings tried these things too, but no King lasted very long, whereas the Church has lasted for 2000 years.

So against the fact that the Church produced many scholars is the fact that the Church also taxed the peasants to within an inch of their lives, leaving them with no safety margin to do anything other than head back to their labor every morning and hope to have enough food to survive. They produced scholars because they made sure no one else could.

This situation did not change until the mid-14th century, when the Black Death depopulated much of Europe. Then, the survivors suddenly found themselves in possession of land that would normally have been split between 2 brothers and 3 cousins, had they been alive. This produced a shortage of labor and consequent wage increases, as well as the greater amount of acreage per person. No doubt this would also have been taken away by the Church and petty Kings in time, as it had been taken away before, but fortunately this particular plague came at a time which was soon to be followed by a serious weakening of the power of the Catholic Church, with the Protestant Reformation, and the Renaissance. So this was when the wealth finally "stuck" to the peasants, eventually leading to the rise of towns, commerce, and eventually a middle class who could afford to educate their children and produce secular scholars of their own.

[–]TheCodexx 0 points1 point ago

How about civilian casualties from riots, witch hunts, invasions? Also, deaths in the Middle East during The Crusades?

We also need to consider if the number of wars caused by religion outweigh the number and severity of ones prevented by religion. Obviously, that's impossible to measure, but we can conjecture that it's not impossible that, had several wars been avoided with no secular analogue, that very well could be thousands of lives saved. The Bible has certainly encouraged violence and some people have put it into practice. In a lot of ways, the spread of the Abrahamic religions has been forced, either mandated by the state or by the sword.

[–]OhTheTallOne 1 point2 points ago

Is this drawn by the illustrator of the Horrible Histories books?

[–]KeepRightExcept2Pass 2 points3 points ago

Two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning editorial cartoonist David Horsey.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We cant really say that all of them look happy tough xD

[–]dorisfrench 0 points1 point ago

Shouldn't that guy be a woman?

[–]spoon_tato 0 points1 point ago

Actually... he wouldn't be a witch, he'd be a warlock, duhhhhhhhhh.

[–]ImBuzzed 0 points1 point ago

yup that's why I love Christianity now a days , it has become commercialized, it has lost allot of its Sacredness. Islam is next, make it hip to believe is Allah and it looses its edge.

[–]UnknownArchive 0 points1 point ago

Anyone seeking more info might also check here:

title comnts points age /r/
Christianity is a religion of peace. 87coms 471pts 6mos atheism
It never gets old. 5coms 16pts 4mos atheism
All this has happened before. All this will happen again. 0coms 18pts 3mos atheism
Religion, a synopsis 33coms 244pts 4mos atheism

source: karmadecay

[–]nacobnacob 0 points1 point ago

Religion is pretty terrible. All the examples in this comic are examples of people using the bible and religion as leverage for power. That's not what the bible is for. Don't judge Christianity on what Christians, or those who claim to be Christians are capable of doing.

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[–]thepenfifteenclub 5 points6 points ago

Eh. They believe silly things. So do Christian and Jewish people, and people of every other religion.

I don't really respect other people's beliefs, but I normally keep my thoughts about other people's beliefs to myself--except on the internet, or around likeminded individuals. Generally, the more specific someone's beliefs are, the sillier I find them. Believing in some power greater than yourself? Nice, vague, and reasonable. Believing that God personally decreed you cannot eat meat on Fridays? Hopefully you have a sense of humor about your silly rituals. Believing in enchanted underwear? C'mon. Really?

The atheism subreddit is sometimes entertaining because of the likeminded people who are occasionally humorous, often at the expense of people who believe silly things, not because of any great insights that I would take into my public life.

[–]Solareclipsed 4 points5 points ago

I will combat anyone who forces their children to believe what they believe, no matter their religion or conviction. I don't "hate" muslims. I hate people that indoctrinate small children to believe 2000 year old fairy tales and to ignore scientific facts. Are they muslim, so be it. Are they christian, so be it.

[–]Wxnzxn 1 point2 points ago

Actually, the number I'm really interested in is how many still believe there should be the death penalty for apostasy, and how many think the laws laid out in the Koran, Hadith and Sharia (respectively, as not all accept all sources from what I have gathered) should be implemented.

This troubles me a lot more than warfare and terrorism, which are just brutal means to achieve those goals.

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[–]VikingTy 5 points6 points ago

Whether the Bible says it or not, the truth of the matter is that these atrocities (crusades, inquisitions, genocide, witch trials, etc.) did happen. They happened in great numbers and they happened in the name of Christianity. It wasn't just a few extremists who did these things; in most cases, these acts were sanctioned or directed by the head of the Church itself. This is historical fact, not hearsay. The idea that Christianity has a violent history is not "ignorant." It is simply the truth. Things may be much better now (and may be more in line with what the Bible actually preaches), but that still doesn't change the past.

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[–]mleeeeeee 0 points1 point ago

the bible says that the bible is the core of christianity

Religions are to be understood not only in terms of their religious texts, but also in terms of their doctrines, their practices, their leaders, etc. You can't impose a Protestant Sola Scriptura theology retroactively onto history.

[–]rahtin -1 points0 points ago

This one always makes me laugh nervously out loud.

[–]SirHumanoid -1 points0 points ago

What I like about most ignorant people is that they can be so easily manipulated by simple things such as a cartoon...

Who needs to open a book and study history from people who actually lived under the shadow of Islam...The Pagans, the Jews, the Christians, the Hindus of those times that lived under the Muslims...

But I am an atheist...I take my history lesson from comics because very educated cartoonists make them...

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[–]Ajatasatru 0 points1 point ago

Too bad moderate voices, that believe the above, don't speak up against extremists when they call for the murder of "infidels".

Not just Islam, but all religions. Unless the moderates speak up against the extremists, religion will remain a bane on society, no matter how pure the motives.

[–]slytherinprincess -5 points-4 points ago

This deserves my up-vote . Kbye. :)

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[–]SuperMarbro[S] 10 points11 points ago

I like how you assume ignorance upon others without having any prerequisite for making such a broad and arrogant statement besides a funny comic and peoples thoughts of it.

[–]prettyunicorn 2 points3 points ago

You haven't been a redditor for very long, have you?

[–]iamnotfromtexas90 1 point2 points ago

wow. of all comments on reddit, this is deserving the most of the esteemed billy madison line:

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "