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[–]WellHeresMyFourthAcc 14 points15 points ago

The "Mithra" part seems to be at least partly false and based upon the false claims of Zetigeist. I'd avoid printing this out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

To the top with you. This flyer contains factually incorrect material and therefore should not be used.

[–]The_Chieftian 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, I was wondering about that.

[–]Xarnon 0 points1 point ago

We should have a /r/skeptic-ized version of this.

[–]elemming 0 points1 point ago

The Mithra part should be replaced with some form of this. http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

[–]elemming 0 points1 point ago

Some of the skeptics claims about ZEITGEIST inaccuracies are incorrect: http://stellarhousepublishing.com/skeptic-zeitgeist.html

[–]GuardFighter 9 points10 points ago

man, people should be printing this out and leaving it in hotel rooms.

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[–]Brazensage 5 points6 points ago

I am a Christian, but also a man of science who keeps an open mind. A lot of these bring about good questions that will need some reflection. I will say though that about 1/3 if not 1/2 is simply wrong and misinterpreted. One has to realize the language, dialect, expressions, and slang of early Hewbrew/ Aramaic bring about a different sense of the text then the English bibles have now. One must look at the history and reasons behind each old testament verse to undertand the harshness of some passages. I do like the Mithra bit though, I will have to look this up.

Feel free to ask me to elaborate on any of my claims and I will do my best to answer, but I am far from a biblical scholar; I know more about ultrasonic actuators than theology.

[–]Randomman2012 2 points3 points ago

Even if it is misinterpreted or mistranslated, all the Christians I know base their beliefs off of the English translated Bible, therefore it does not matter if it is mistranslated because they are not basing their views off of the original text.

[–]sethiest 0 points1 point ago

No history or proper reasoning can justify the old testament. There is no misunderstanding.

[–]Brazensage 2 points3 points ago

One cannot make an absolute claim that there is no reasoning to the old testament. That is no better then I telling you your claims are unfounded. Discussion is needed.

[–]kingoff00ls 1 point2 points ago

Christian here who has went to seminary (bible college) and lurker redditor for about 2 years. Keep in mind all the stuff you just said. Remember this because the circle jerk of r/atheism will get to eventually and cause you to doubt. There is nothing wrong in doubting. You are right, they can't make such broad generalizations of something they claim to have more knowledge than everyone else on.

When it gets difficult realize that they are just a opinion, facts and figures are often show in their favor as you have seen in this picture. Realize that you need to investigate all their accusations. You will find that some things you simply can't answer at this time. Most however, you will find it to be a child like out of context example.

I am only posting this because I too doubt sometimes and would love it if someone encouraged me from time to time that the anti-religion posts aren't the only logical voice out there.

[–]m3chanicalbird 1 point2 points ago

^ Upvote for relevant username.

[–]kingoff00ls 0 points1 point ago

more along the lines of twisted sister

[–]GuitarGuru2001 0 points1 point ago

There is reasoning in the old testament: Revisionist historians wanted political control and created a peacemeal interpretation of spirituality based on extant Caananite deities.

A gradually shifting political climate culminated with Josiah before the babylonian destruction, when he blamed Judah's problems (and Israel's destruction) on not following YHWH, the God of War. From here additional historical details were fabricated to make it seem that whenever people followed YHWH, things went well (king David & Solomon, Slaughter of the Amalekites).

Plenty of reason. Just 0 reason to believe the Abrahamic God, or most of the history in the Old Testament, is anything more than a clever literary and political invention in Israel/Judah's imagination.

[–]slacktron6000 2 points3 points ago

Would it be a dick move of me to hand these out with Halloween candy like those fundamentalists hand out the "come to jesus, reject satan's holiday of Halloween" pamphlets to trick or treaters?

[–]m3chanicalbird 0 points1 point ago

I'm behind you 100%, brotha.

[–]OryxConLara 1 point2 points ago

Good review. Is it available as text on line so it can be copied/pasted as text?

Perhaps missed a couple of small points, I think.

1) The verse in Isaiah 7 does not mention the word "virgin" -- that was a mistranslation. The word used there is "serving girl". So. Oh wow, son of god born from a serving girl. Miracle! </sarcasm>

2) The "ten commandments" are merely classes of the field of 613 commandments laid upon the Jews. None of the commands in the bible are incumbent upon non-Jews. There are seven commands that some believe are incumbent upon all humans, but they are not of the "ten".

[–]Dragonfire138 0 points1 point ago

And the Flying Spaghetti Monster said, "Behold! You will print out multiple copies of this and ye shall go door to door to thy neighbors and spread the propaganda to show the heretics and hearsayers their erroneous ways!"

[–]ryacoff 0 points1 point ago

Am I the only one who is having problems reading this?

[–]amc-CR 0 points1 point ago

saved

[–]fellownord 0 points1 point ago

Ok, I‘ll just print a hundred of these and go knocking on people‘s doors.

[–]MrClocky 0 points1 point ago

I thought the title read

A guide to questioning charity

Why do you need a guide to question something? Question everything.

[–]m3chanicalbird 0 points1 point ago

Despite the misleading factoids.. What a sensation; I'm actually letting myself feel my BRAIN OPENING!

[–]rinon 0 points1 point ago

thats very usefull

[–]remillard 0 points1 point ago

Seems like a good document. I have a phrasing quibble though. In the second column it reads, "In fact, those who suggest that a man must be ethically restrained by a religion reveal, quite frankly, just how deep-seated their own morals are."

I don't believe this says what the author believes it says. Having deep-seated morals would suggest that someone's ethical foundation can NOT be shaken by removal of some authoritarian structure. I think the author got confused between "deep-seated bigotry" and "loosely-seated morals" or something like that.

To retain the point that was trying to be conveyed it should be rewritten as, "In fact, those who suggest that a man must be ethically restrained by a religion reveal just how loosely-seated their own morals are."

(I declined to fix the dangling participle, and I did remove the "quite frankly" because I think it detracts from the power of the statement.)

[–]andersonb47 0 points1 point ago

Give this to any intelligent, open minded person and by soup can they will become an atheist.

[–]RationalUniversalist -1 points0 points ago

"Why do you believe in god"

Because I want to, I know there doesn't need to one and their might not be one, but on a personal level I have a connection to the universe that I can't be talked out of and it makes me feel like their is a god.

Even with all my learning about science "God" (whatever you want to call it) makes most sense to me.

[–]dp85 0 points1 point ago

Would you have come to the conclusion were you never exposed to the concept of a monotheistic god? I imagine an agnostic in rural India may reject the belief in specific Hindu gods, but feel that there are some multiple higher powers at play? Face it, the culture forced on you has predetermined your ideals of a deity.

[–]RationalUniversalist 0 points1 point ago

I was raised secular and looked into all the major religions at 17 about 5 years ago.

[–]dp85 1 point2 points ago

Im guessing you stopped believing in the tooth fairy and Santa after "looking into" the alternative beliefs...so as usual, I'm stumped how people get hung up on the last step (agnosticism) to accepting reality

[–]Colechilla -3 points-2 points ago

Honestly I'm to lazy to read all of this but have an upvote anyways! XD

[–]ambi3nttech -1 points0 points ago

save

[–]splendourized -3 points-2 points ago

It's a shame that most theists are illiterate.