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[–]dumase 195 points196 points197 points 7 months ago
The day I found out 95% of the articles in my required coursepacks could be found online or in the library for free, I nearly burned the whole university to the ground.
[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 7 months ago
What sites if you don't mind me asking?
[–]dumase 44 points45 points46 points 7 months ago
Usually through the electronic databases that the uni library buys subscriptions to. If you consult the bibliographic entries of the articles, you can usually see what journal it was published in. And then if your library's webpage is at all useful, you should be able to search to see if any databases they subscribe to include that journal and its back-catalogue. I found in most cases if they don't have copies online, they'll have hard-copies of the journal in the library itself.
[–]misslizzie 38 points39 points40 points 7 months ago
Databases from EBSCO, ProQuest, etc. have an amazing amount of information in them. A very sad number of students don't even know they exist, or how to use them, despite librarian efforts to get the info out there. Hell, some faculty members don't even know what they are....
[–]Sanity_prevails 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
worked at EBSCO. Alabama boonies. The "server room" is something straight out of the 60's, near mint condition. A system of robotic pulleys retrieves and replaces tape cartridges which are read by central terminal ("data center"). I am not even kidding ya. I still peruse one of the "employee" accounts for my online db access. This was by far the most useful "compensation" from that gig.
[–]GeneralissimoFranco 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
And this is why I find myself looking for the articles I need on google scholar, and then downloading them off EBSCO. Doing a search using EBSCO is like taking a trip back to when excite! and hotbot were the premier search engines on the internet. If you don't know exactly what you want before going into the process, you're going to be sifting through a lot of hay.
[–]promethean93 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
http://librarypirate.me has the most textbooks in PDF format.
[–]463 34 points35 points36 points 7 months ago
Just gonna leave this here: gen.lib.rus.ec/. I haven't bought a textbook for two years.
Please don't break that kind sir's server
[–]GeneralissimoFranco 53 points54 points55 points 7 months ago
They broke it.
[–]Just_Like_You 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
This comment has 16 upvotes right now... How many lurkers are there that they were able to bring down the server?
F*cking lurkers.
[–]Maggeddon 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I never knew how much textbooks cost until i spent a year in the US - as a british student, texts where recommended, but never mandatory.
HOLY BALLS THEY ARE EXPENSIVE.
But thanks to great googling skills "free (textbook) pdf" and sites like this, I reckon I've saved about $700. In one year. It's a scam market I tells ya!
[–]Zagrobelny 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
Why burn the library? That's where all the free shit is.
[–]NotSoHelpfulGuy 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
That's why; I'm that hater that's gonna hate.
[–]Trapped_SCV 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Luckily, he realized that as he was pouring the kerosene.
[–]krispyKRAKEN 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Burn the whole school, down to da gwound.
[–]mst3kcrow 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Pro tip: International editions. Griffiths Intro To Quantum for $110? Fuck that shit, try $30 new.
[–]7point7 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
A more pro-tip:
Get your professor to put it on reserve at the library, go take pictures of the shit you need using a smart phone, put photos on dropbox and have a free online version of your book. I haven't bought a book in 2 years using this method.
[–]mst3kcrow 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I prefer to have my physics books in print but ymmv. A downloaded copy comes in useful but, when it comes to printing, it will probably be more expensive and you won't have the binding.
[–]infrikinfix 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I like print too. I'm willing to pay about $20 for the luxury. So here is the solution:
Library has a old edition, if not, you can get one on amazon for a near approximation to free relative to textbook prices...buy old edition. Sometimes they are like $2, rarely more than $20. Then take pictures of the reserve book's problem sets. I've never seen a book changed from edition to edition in any significant way except the problem sets, no matter what the front matter claims.
[–]pearldrum1 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
LET'S BURN THIS MOTHER FUCKER TO THE GROUND, POOKIE!!
[–]stoopkid99 76 points77 points78 points 7 months ago
R.I.P. President Palmer
[–]Glenners 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
The real first black american president
[–]HonestlyNotCreepy 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
What about Morgan Freeman
[–]dirtymcdirtball 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Sgt. Blane
[–]braindawgz 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
the unit is fucking awesome, he's even more badass than his palmer role in 24
[–]oSand 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
Never forget.
[–]NigelMK 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
SO BRAVE!
[–]biffalu 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
truly the only reason I tolerate allstate commercials...
[–]shitfuckcuntarsewank 97 points98 points99 points 7 months ago
Certifications students: one stop shop at the pirate bay...
[–]EmperorSofa 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
Also some programming classes and math courses I think.
[–]ConansBeard 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
...even if you cant priate the required text there will sure enough be another textbook by a different author with virtually all the same information in it. Ive been doing this with all my classes, and its fine unless theres some specific questions im supposed to answer from the back or something (and in that case I finally have an excuse to talk to a girl in my class to see her book)
[–]EmperorSofa 33 points34 points35 points 7 months ago
Yeah it's not like the professor is teaching a type of knowledge that no other book can possibly touch upon because of copyright reasons.
I guess if apple had somehow created the concept of knowledge it could, but thankfully we're not living in that kind of world.
[–]ScubaPlays 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
When you get high enough you can't find another book. Not because it's copyrighted, but because no one else actually knows enough about it to write a book.
[–]TheDingos 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
So just search for the books before you get high, why would this be a problem?
[–]xG33Kx 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Or international editions. Saved me tons of cash.
[–]Sryzon 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
My IT profs like to give open book exams. This doesn't work for me.
[–]Bugsysservant 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
In my experience, not so much with the math courses. My profs tends to assign problems for homework and publishers are excellent at ensuring that the numbers on those are shuffled around so I can't use an older edition (and I certainly can't use a different book), which is often all that is available online.
[–]Sanity_prevails 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Brookes before books!
[–]EnderFame 364 points365 points366 points 7 months ago
False , Movie theater popcorn and printer ink screw you over much harder.
[–]mightyenano 193 points194 points195 points 7 months ago
You don't need popcorn like you may need the books or ink.
[–]ChiefNugs 81 points82 points83 points 7 months ago
You don't need the books. That popcorn on the other hand... That's a must.
[–]Mofrosho 113 points114 points115 points 7 months ago
http://qkme.me/36duhu
[–]Veret 63 points64 points65 points 7 months ago
Joke's on you; this morning I fucked a printer.
[–]scottydg 30 points31 points32 points 7 months ago
I don't think your ink will deliver the crisp blacks and colors of normal ink.
[–]likeyouropinion 26 points27 points28 points 7 months ago
He's a squid
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's racist!
True story!
[–]spaceboundmonkeys 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Do you know you've done by posting this! You're life is in danger they are going to find you, hide now!
[–]LovefromCanada 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
Truer words have never been spoken from President David Palmer. Canada approves.
[–]nickjomaffa 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Coming from CheifNugs, I'm not surprised
[–]ScubaPlays 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
amazon.com
[–]kevinkm77 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
If you need books and other stuff for cheap, check out this subreddit!
(shameless subreddit promotion)
[–]xG33Kx 43 points44 points45 points 7 months ago
Smuggle a microwave and popcorn into the theater?
[–]TomFotz 42 points43 points44 points 7 months ago
They are mirco... Why not!
[–]Bluesss04 28 points29 points30 points 7 months ago
Ill stick to my macrowave popcorn.
[–]xG33Kx 25 points26 points27 points 7 months ago
You hipsters and your damn macrowave popcorn.
[–]alwaysf0rgetpassw0rd 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I don't believe in macrowaves. Only microwaves have been observed by science.
[–]OneAmongthFence 27 points28 points29 points 7 months ago
or smuggle a movie theater into a popcorn store.
[–]limecat 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Hey! That popcorn pays my rent. :(
[–]Small_asian_wang 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago*
False. A hooker will screw you harder, dollar for dollar.
[–]2muffins 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
I worked at a theater. Protip: If the medium is a bag and the large is a bucket, get the medium because they are roughly the same amount of popcorn. The large usually just comes with a refill which almost no one (outside mexican families) gets.
[–]DoucheyNitpicker 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
Maybe I should hand the reigns of this account over to you!
[–]Lluuiiggii 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
None of that sounded douchey or nitpickey
[–]DoucheyNitpicker 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Maybe I'm being douchey and nitpickey by implying it did.
Maybe IM being douchey and nitpickey?
[–]Craysh 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Buy a bucket/bag of popcorn when you go to the Movie
Save said bucket/bag in your car
Next time you go to the theater, pop your own popcorn at home. Pour it into the bag and leave it in the car. Get your tickets, have them rip it and go back to your car because you forgot something. Bring in the popcorn bag with you.
Profit! (or lack there of!)
[–]ihateslowdrivers 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Jesus fucking tebow, you are cheap. Upvote!
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
also bottled water
[–]B1A4 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
You have a very easy choice with bottled water. Not the case with books.
[–]DarthGoofy 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
If you're going for the highest profit margin nothing beats text messages. They cost you about 6000 percent more than they cost to process.
[–]SwineHerald 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I'm not so sure about that, my college bookstore wanted $100 for a used text book. I managed to get it for $7 from Amazon. Movie theater popcorn is a ripoff, but it never gets that crazy.
[–]Sanaki13 65 points66 points67 points 7 months ago
Totally read that in his voice... oh how I miss The Unit!
[–]passe_parfait 102 points103 points104 points 7 months ago
He's always going to be President Palmer to me.
[–]xboxer102 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
Ive recently started re watching 24 again, stands up pretty well. Although kim makes the stupidest decisions
[–]BrawndoTTM 33 points34 points35 points 7 months ago
Yeah, but she compensates for that by being super-hot.
[–]dopelists 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Except it's obvious she bleached her hair. I mean come on, blonde hair and brown eyebrows? Silly.
[–]Viridian 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Silly, but hot.
[–]Scumbag-Redditor 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I started watching it again too. Last time I watched 24 was when I was in high school and they had re-runs every week, I didn't notice all her silly decisions because there was space between the episodes. However, when you watch episodes back to back I just wonder "What the fuck are you doing?".
SPOILER Especially during the second season finale where she hesitates to shoot the guy who tried to kill her a few times. Same with the season 1 episode where she refuses to escape because she saw her mum. Or when she goes to see Rick.
[–]forgeSHIELD 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
For me he will never stop being this guy
[–]skyairtime4 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
MIND BLOWN!
[–]jerrylundegaard 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Are you trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
[–]gspdark1 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Pedro Serrano. Jubuu approves!
[–]TenaciousBe 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
...and you no help me now? I say fuck you Jobu. I do it myself.
[–]dont_you_hate_pants 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Fired up
[–]mrmarvelous 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I found the Unit 50% awesome and the 50% where it had the lives of the wives arranging flowers and the like, that just ruined it for me
[–]cv6nick 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
International Editions...
Biblio.com is an excellent resource for purchasing cheap, international edition books. As much as I enjoy downloading PDFs of engineering books, it is always better to have a hard copy you can flip through...at least for me. I can get $250 books in the range of $30-$50 as the international edition. The only difference is that they are soft cover as opposed to hard. They also have disclaimers on the cover that they are not legal for sale outside of South Asia. They ship from India and get here within days. PM me if you want more info.
[–]half-wizard 36 points37 points38 points 7 months ago
ITT: College Freshman
[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 7 months ago
Recommended textbooks?
I wouldn't wanna fail the course!
[–]Archer007 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Thank you. Loading images via Javascript feels unnatural sometimes.
[–]mudkipzftw 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
Or people who don't study arts/humanities
[–]half-wizard 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Or just completely naive people who have no idea what's really going on or how to internet or the resources that right in front of them (e.g. College Freshman, people who actually buy books from the college book store).
[–]BecauseOfGay 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
I buy books from the college store and i'm a senior
I don't get my booklist till I'm in class and since i'm in the College of Humanities and Social Sciences I usually have a paper on one or more of the books due by the next week. I could get the books online, pay extra for rush shipping, and then have 3 days to read them and write about them; Or I could buy them at the book store, pay roughly the same price as the rush shipped books (maybe +$10 more) and have a full week.
Time management fool! You are clearly NOT a wizard
[–]Kerblaaahhh 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
Amazon Prime. If you haven't already done so, you get a year of it free for having a .edu address. I get all my books cheaper than they're sold at the bookstore, usually an earlier edition so a $150 textbook becomes an $8 textbook, and then free two-day shipping on top of that, or 4 dollar one-day shipping. Although if you really don't get your booklist until the first week of class, that's kinda bullshit and I see how that would make it more difficult. Have you tried emailing your professors about what books are needed before the semester starts?
[–]GAMEchief 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
how to internet
Like he said. People who study arts/humanities.
The shit you take in harder science classes can't be found on the Internet. It's not that the information isn't on the Internet, because it is, but that the class doesn't revolve around "learn [x] by tomorrow." They say, "Read chapter 1-6 for the test, over [x] and [y]." There is no way of knowing exactly what is in 1-6, save the two words used by the professor, nor to what extent, without owning the book. If they say there is a test over classical conditioning, and I read some Wikipedia articles, I am fucked when they ask about various theories, who originated them, which studies were performed, the ethical dilemmas of the studies, who performed the studies, what results each concluded, the controversies of them, the research methods applied, etc., etc. There is no way to just google this knowledge. You have to have the book, not because the information is not online, but because there is no other way of knowing what the professor intends for you to learn from it.
Said classes for "people who don't study arts/humanities" can't be passed by just attending and taking notes. It takes actual reading, independent of the classroom. Alas, not college freshman.
That's bullshit. I'm in ENG and of the 10 ENG courses I took, you need the book for 5 of them.
[–]oracle989 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
That is not at all a clear departmental acronym. That could mean English or Engineering.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Engineering.
[–]half-wizard 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I feel for you man. Being in a science field, I automatically assumed you meant Engineering XD
Though, honestly, I don't see how it could have been English, anyway. Most English courses require a number of books each, so 5 books for 10 English courses seems impossible.
[–]LazyGoogler 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Graphic design student.
I've had the joy of buying art supplies for studio classes. Many supplies constantly need to be replaced or have a one time use let alone resale.
I took intaglio (printmaking) a couple of semesters which was a lot of fun but could easily become a money pit. The off-campus bookstore sold copper sheets for around $60 if I recall correctly. Initially one sheet was enough until the course grew more advanced and suddenly one image may require two or three sheets. Personally I found a local copper manufacturer and purchased mine in larger sheets at a cheaper price, but it's tough for the students who have a severe mistake or realize they need another sheet of copper half way through the project.
That's just for the copper. Tools and what not aside, when it came to printing each project required a minimum of 10 prints. No problem. Wait, what? Each 22"x30" sheet will run you $3-5 on the lower end of the quality spectrum. Of course you could use the back side of a sheet for testing while working the plate, but when it came time for turn in every sheet better be pristine around the borders and printed on the good side.
That's just one example.
TL,DR: Traditional art is expensive to create :(
[–]half-wizard 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Wow. I really don't know what to say to that. Never taken any art classes after high school.
At that point, I think it's an example of "you should probably know what you're getting yourself into before you jump in." Sucks that you have to front the money for that, and the school won't. Though if it's something you really want to do, it ends up being that you just need to chalk it up as a necessity.
Though, don't get me wrong, there probably are ways to find cheaper alternatives. Though this sort of thing I would have no idea about so I couldn't make any real referrals regarding this. A bunch of students all chipping in and buying in bulk may be one way to save money. Though looking around online may be a an exquisite alternative. The major problem then becomes "well, if I can save money, will the savings actually outweigh the cost of shipping?" -- metal is heavy, and shipping metal could get ugly. If you bought a ton in bulk, and all the students pitched in so they could all save money, then it may be worth it. For a few people, shipping copper (especially over long distances) could really be not worth it. Though looking for savings can't hurt. There are always options (though that doesn't necessarily mean they're better than the most obvious option).
As I mentioned above, and in another comment i've made, it really comes down to the fact that if you're doing what you want, there are going to be things that you just need to chalk up to being legitimate expenses that you can't get around. Looking for better deals to save yourself money can't hurt, though, and especially when you're on a budget, it can really make a difference. These are also good skills to have later in life, as well, especially if you ever plan to own your own home.
P.S. Don't forget to save any and all receipts. Tax write-offs as school expenses.
[–]gorilla_head 33 points34 points35 points 7 months ago
Dollar for dollar, nobody rips you off more than the University.
[–]SgtOddball 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
Seriously, you can pay tens of thousands of dollars a year (depending where you go), but when asked to pay a couple hundred more for books people flip the fuck out.
[–]fec2455 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
The thing is most universities are nonprofit so their prices are set by their expenses. Book stores prices are much greater than expenses.
[–]juice_roids_rage 28 points29 points30 points 7 months ago
Dollar for Dollar: No one screws you over like GAMESTOP
[–]danwasxx 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
Scumbag Gamestop - rips off games and game companies so much that the next xbox will be unable to play used games. One of the greatest joys - getting a used game - gone. Fuck gamestop
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
So, true
It's like thanks to libraries, all books are gonna be digital now, with a 1 time activation code.
Thanks to ASSHOLES sharing movies, when you place a move into your dvd player, it never comes out.
It's completely reasonable for a game company to fuck over people who want to play games at friends houses, just to make a little more profit, seriously FUCK GAMESTOP.
[–]CGB_Spender_ 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I don't think they would go as far as to make it unable to play used games. They are probably going to follow the recent trend though, having a big piece of the game as a one-time code included, so if you buy used you still have to foot the $20.00 multiplayer DLC or some bullshit.
The shittiest part about that is if you do still bring games to other peoples houses to play, suddenly that's impossible unless you want to lug your entire console over with it because it has the "Multiplayer License" on it.
[–]Doubleks 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Came here, Ctrl+F for gamestop, upvote, move along.
[–]checkmike 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Fun Fact: This guy plays Cerrano in the movie Major League.
[–]choch2727 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
look at the scoreboard now, GRASSHOPPER!!!
[–]textbookguy1 35 points36 points37 points 7 months ago
I actually work in textbooks and I am ALWAYS amazed at the lack of information in these kinds of posts. Everyone is blamed from the stores to the publishers to the authors - but then each of those is getting "screwed" too.
I'm pretty late to this party so this will probably be overlooked but I wanted to finally chime-in because the information in here is almost completely false when it comes to the inner-workings.
Here's how it breaks down for higher education:
1) The publisher sells the books to the bookstore based on what the professor wants. S/he will usually negotiate with the publisher for what they want their students to use - including study guides, online homework, etc and then a package is put together. Publishers have regional reps that are assigned to specific schools to cover specific areas of study.
2) The store then marks up the price by at least 30%. So the claims that the bookstores don't make anything on book sales is completely false.
3) In addition, if the publisher sells directly to the student - the bookstore will STILL get a cut (8%) even though they've done NOTHING.
4) Many bookstores have deals with the universities - whether it is to share proceeds or whatever - to help keep them in business. There are two major textbook companies - Follet's and B&N.
5) The bookstores KNOW they are in trouble. Sometimes they only see sell-through of 50% of enrollment. Publishers are in better shape because we can simply move to the online-model where students require access for grading, etc.
Now - I also see people blaming professors - WHICH IS NUTS!
1) Most professors hate the bookstore and how they are forced to work with them. They would rather the students buy directly from the publisher.
2) Many professors negotiate for lower prices for the students - but only bigger adoptions really have this power.
3) Most professors that write a book FOREGO royalties for units sold at their school - or that money is donated to their specific department.
4) Professors are NOT given cuts or paybacks. They DO sometimes get lunches or dinners - but it is not an all-the-time kind of thing. I have heard rumors that ONE of the major publishers does employ shady tactics but it's all hearsay. I know that for my company - the sales team might bring cookies into the office and that kind of stuff - but it is not widescale 'bribery.'
Now, for the publishers:
1) The reason new editions come out so frequently is that they see NO MONEY from used sales. So they spend hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars developing a new edition and really only get to sell it one year. Then the bookstore gives you back a fraction of what you paid and then sells the used version based on what a new copy costs (even if that 'new' price is increased!).
2) New editions are between 3-5 years if the book sells well enough.
3) It is expensive to make a textbook. Not just for printing - but copyediting, proofreading, accuracy reviewing, media creation, and permissions. An art book can have up to $1m in permissions costs. Typically, dozens of people have a direct role in creating a book - from design and development to manufacturing.
As for authors -
1) They are not screwed! I know authors who can make $1m+ an edition. Obviously they are outliers - but it depends on the success of the book and the enrollment for a class. If you're writing a physical chemistry textbook - you might make enough to help your kids go to college but you won't be able to live off it.
2) Many of these authors care DEEPLY about education. It is their passion.
3) It is an incredible undertaking to write a 1,000-page+ book. Not everyone can do this!
I hope that clears up some of the questions in here. I agree that the industry needs help and the government has created new regulations to help with that - but it is an industry in transition from solely print to a myriad of learning options.
Publishers and authors create, develop, and deliver the product - which is not an easy task. Your professors care about price and look out for you. The bookstores simply stock and sell you the book. Their role is limited.
[–]feartrich 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
So what do you think is needed to reduce the cost of textbooks?
[–]IAmVeryStupid 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
I think the endless string of new editions needs to stop, especially in scientific disciplines. We already have, for example, plenty of first year calculus books - there is no reason for any of them to cost more than $20, much less $200.
In these courses especially, I think the best solution would simply be to no longer have assigned course textbooks. Have the professor tell the students, "Get a first year calculus textbook. It can be by whoever you want and whichever edition you want. Here are the topics we will be covering this quarter - make sure they have a chapter about each of them." Then include a list of common textbooks which have these.
This would also solve the problem of "cookie cutter" science classes where professors do nothing but follow the exercises in the textbook. So many first year courses are so formulaic that they don't even really need the professor anymore. Decentralizing the book would bring students back into the classroom, since lectures would be more necessary.
An argument could be made that this would cause problems with the students getting different results / explanations from different books. However, that is what the world is like, and that is how you will be presented with information in a professional setting. Part of college is learning to reconcile different sources. The worst that could happen is debate in the classroom over differing opinions - something which in my opinion would be an improvement.
Of course, this would only work in the sciences, since you can't exactly have everybody reading a different book in an English class. I think it's a good idea, though, and I use it in my own class.
[–]textbookguy1 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
It's tricky because corporations exist to make money. Students are already used to 'paying more' so the price drop won't be incredibly rapid.
That said - you already see VERY affordable options - especially when you combine print/digital or go digital only.
Right now - you can get the ebook (enhanced with video, animation, etc) and the online homework program for $150 less than JUST the print book. If you get a smaller version of the print book with less questions inside and the online homework it's about $135 cheaper.
(These prices depend on the course and text obviously - English is cheaper than math or physics or chemistry per book).
It's also harder to go strictly digital for something like English or the 'soft sciences' because it's not quantifiable. Math and physics are great because many of the questions have a RIGHT answer.
Additionally, I think digital/online will provide solutions that don't exist yet - like pre-lab preparation which will save instructors time.
Also, this will cut down on piracy because your grades will be EMBEDDED with your online textbook.
We're in a transition phase right now (it might be a permanent transition phase, honestly).
[–]picalo 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
There is your main issue. you have 100 different options that are all "well if you do derp and derp you get derp and derp but not if you do this derp here or that derp there you won't get this derp...oh but if you do this derp you get a special derp price". No fuck that, you give me ALL ACCESS TO ALL THE THINGS I NEED TO RECEIVE A SOLID EDUCATION AT A FAIR REASONABLE 25-30% ACROSS THE BOARD NOT INDIVIDUAL MARKUP!
We make 5 bucks max on most parts we sell, sell your service or go home.
[–]5abrina 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
There are bookstores that are not Follett or B&N BTW (I worked at one).
I cannot speak for other uni-run stores, but the one I worked at did not work the way you describe. Textbooks are not marked-up in the traditional sense - they have to be sold at the price the publisher gives. For the store to make "profit" (and I use that term loosely - see below) the publishers would give them a discount off the price. The point is that in the vast majority of cases, the bookstore has no say in how much the book will cost.
This store is university run and has no affiliations with a private corporation like Follett or B&N. The result is that the university pays the staff, leaving the "profits" made by the store to pay for some operating expenses (those not covered by the uni) with the rest going into a school fund for scholarships and bursaries.
Obviously I am not saying all stores are like this - in fact, this store is one of very very few that is still uni-owned and operated and not a Follett or B&N store. I just wanted to give another perspective, as, like you, it drives me crazy when people complain about things without getting their info first :D
[–]vegan_velociraptor 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I'm also (sort of) in the textbook business, but on the sales end. You're giving the professors way too much credit. They most certainly do screw the students!
They choose their course materials based on the path of least resistance. There are many factors there, including edition-rolling, department politics, and how pretty the publisher rep is.
They don't think critically about the "lower-cost" options the publishers present them with when they "negotiate." A custom edition, for example, means a different cover and a different chapter order for $20 off, but it's no longer viable on the used market. Same with a loose-leaf edition, and the publisher isn't losing much margin on that. Binding is expensive.
They believe that their technology choices are "free with the book," when standalone access plus a used book costs more than the bundle.
They procrastinate on their decisions, making it hard for the bookstore to acquire used books and lowering what they can afford to pay on buybacks.
Most of what you said is true. I would say that community college professors are very price-sensitive. At your bigger state schools - most of your first bullet does apply.
I would say that every situation is different but that most instructors have their students best interest in mind - especially relating to cost and their student's education.
[–]guitarplaya161 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
The Allstate guy is a meme now? I'm ok with this.
[–]Alacer 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
David Palmer.
[–]Kurise 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Oh you wanted to sell back your $200 math book? Sorry, they printed a new edition this year, we can only give you $20.
[–]SgtOddball 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Because that's totally the bookstore's fault. Not the publisher who decided to create the new edition.
[–]SRU45 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Is in not universal knowledge that syllabus week is useful, not only for shortened classes, but also to figure out what you need? Then once you do, order them online.
What sites?
[–]thebluehippo 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
half.com is the shit for textbooks
[–]burntheblobs 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
pro-tip: textspyder.com
[–]ShamwowTseDung 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Today you learn, not everyone has the same experiences you do.
Case in point, syllabus week? No idea what that means.
[–]menuitem 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Texting from your cell phone company.
[–]flanl 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
STEP ONE: BUY E-READER
STEP TWO: TORRENT YOUR FUCKING TEXTBOOKS. If you can't find them via torrent, do a filetype:epub (or .pdf, et al) google search.
STEP THREE: ????? (return your books to the bookstore, if applicable)
STEP FOUR: PROFIT! + celebration
+ celebration
(step one can be skipped if you want to use your smart phone, but you'll be able to buy a Nook Tablet with your savings, and it will pay for itself over and over again)
[–]SgtOddball 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
I worked at a bookstore for three years. Our business practices are severely misunderstood. Check out an AMA I did here to learn more. It's under a different name, but I don't give a shit about that anymore.
[–]VegasEyes 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I worked at a university bookstore for 4 years as well. A lot of the your experiences were similar to what I encountered. Except my store was a university owned and run store. It lost money every year.
Standard markup for books was 25%. It really sucks being a student and paying $125 for a book, but the publisher set their price at $100. Either way, it was expensive for a book for 15 weeks of use.
Teachers would frequently change minimal stuff in their books and then come out with a new edition every 1-2 years (all the page numbers would be different, so you couldn't hold on to a previous edition.)
Good teachers would request their books published by the university print shop, and they would typically be spiral bound. I talked to a professor about that and he made the same profit selling it at ~$25 (via university print shop) as he would sending it to a publisher and selling it for $100.
[–]lawlshane 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Lol, buying textbooks
[–]kayleighija 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
This will get buried, but oh well: It's really not the bookstore, but rather the publishers that are out to screw people. Most (independent) university bookstores do not mark up prices much and that money goes back into improving the school. Publishers are the ones that decide there needs to be a new edition every year and then make the old one obsolete.
[–]popkie71 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Used to rip used sticker off, supposedly they'd give you more money if they thought you bought it new.
[–]zzzpoohzzz 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
nope, i worked at the bookstore on campus. its all the same when you bring them back unless you get nothing at all because you pretty much destroyed it.
we laughed at people that took stickers off actually.
[–]SgtOddball 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Here, too. We could usually tell easily if a sticker had been removed. Plus, we used multiple methods to distinguish new and used, not just the bright neon "USED" sticker on the side.
[–]dangerchrisN 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
TIL people actually buy books at their Uni bookstore.
[–]pylori 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
I showed people around on open days at my uni, and one of us students got a severe bollocking from our boss for telling the prospective students that while there is a bookstore in campus, "most people buy them off amazon anyway" lol
[–]SgtOddball 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Right, because the school gets a cut of the store's profits. When I worked at the bookstore, we were supposed to let someone know if we heard a tour guide doing that.
[–]ColdRail 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
I guess yesterday you thought they stocked the bookstore just for fun
[–]jimmj43 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Two words: Printer cartridges
[–]toastyghost 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
use lab printer to make passable forgeries of overpriced textbooks. birds, meet stone.
Aren't the prices of the books insanely expensive for the University to buy? A quick search on Amazon backs this up.
Mine has great prices for every item except the textbooks.
[–]BluShine 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Yup. The people reaping in the big bucks are the publishers. Textbook writers get screwed, earning only about 40k and literally pennies in royalties.
Interestingly, the books are printed and sold in other countries for far less, but it's illegal to export them. The nice thing about CompSci is that at least half the books are free online from the author, and the other half have info that can be easily found with google.
[–]zzzpoohzzz 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I worked at the university bookstore when i was in college. they honestly didn't make that much money off of books, apparel was the big money maker. the reason you pay so much for books is because they come out with a new edition about every two years if not more frequently, that eliminates used books. thats how the publishers keep getting money, they get nothing from used books. very true it is cheaper online. when professors put in late orders for the next semester, that really screws over students, because the bookstore cannot buy those books back from students who want to sell them, because there is no need for them at that moment. if the professor turned in their order on time, they would be able to buy back the books from the students for a better price (rather than going to a wholesaler) and actually be able to sell those books for cheaper.
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[–]azag 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Buy the book during the first week; bookstores often have policies of buying the book back at full price if returned before the end of the week.
Go to your library which likely has a large, flatbed scanner. Scan the motherfucker and automate some minor fixes in Photoshop (like turning it b/w if able to reduce file size if need be).
Return the book for full refund.
Dance.
Sure, it will take a few hours to do all of this, but think about it - if you spend 3-4 hours to save 150 bucks, you are making off pretty sweet. Plus, it give you a reason to dance, and everyone likes to dance (I wear steel-toed shitkickers, so I never recommend anyone to be near when I dance).
[–]Ghostfacee77 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Snakedoc :D
[–]Bearheals 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Are you in good hands?
[–]theyoungbloody 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Dollar for dollar, you just read this in my voice
[–]gr33nturt1e 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
go to amazon.com and get books for so much cheaper. problem solved.
[–]HARDonE 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
i work at the uconn coop bookstore in storrs ct, the store is a dying dinosaur, one day they will stop selling books all together, and will just become a retail store that sells shit to students, textbooks sales are down year after year, we know the writing is on the wall. in terms of it being a ripoff that is definitively true, the only thing I hate more than that is the professors who take a cut from the publishers to use their expensive books and then tell their students not to buy them.
[–]xG33Kx 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Irritatingly true. My school actually is entered into a contract with B&N so teachers can't even tell students where to get supplies cheaper.
Shameless subreddit promotion here, check out r/studentperks, it's a subreddit where people post student-hacks and stuff like .edu discounts. Check it out!
[–]NewWorldSlacker 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Except maybe Big Banks, The IRS, and divorce lawyers.
[–]rcthedigitalhero 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I'm scared to look at the combined prices for my coming term... could be around 700$ :(
[–]hungry_penguin 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I think GameStop is the worst by far. I actually made money at the bookstore a couple times
[–]Dognutz1 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I'm going to a public college right now that relies heavily on state funding. Since there have been huge cuts in the state budget I try to buy my books from the school store so that the profits go back to the college. If it's a really expensive book I'll get it on Amazon. Can't beat the free shipping for students!
[–]NmKkilla 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I really dont understand how they can justify charging as much as they do for some of the books in college bookstores...it is ridiculously priced..who the hell wrote the book that makes it worth so much...did the Messiah write it? Wtf is going on...
There is an immense amount of time and research that goes into writing a college textbook. The store only makes a few cents on the dollar for the books, and that profit has to last them until the start of the next semester. Bookstores make jack shit on t-shirts and mugs during the rest of the year.
[–]thebpfeif 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I took every penny I spent in the bookstore and claimed it on the American Opportunity Credit. Boom.
[–]MZago1 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Dollar for dollar, nobody screw you over like the university. FTFY
[–]Armadillo19 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Recommendation for new college freshman: Do NOT buy the text book BEFORE going to class...half the time you'll realize about 2 classes in that it is completely unneeded. Once had a professor list his own book on the syllabus, yet it wasn't even opened all year...
[–]apullin 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
If you're buying books from a university bookstore, you're an idiot and you deserve to have your money taken from you. If you selling back books to the store, you definitely deserve it.
If you were awesome (which you're apparently not), you'd just get the PDF of it from the internet. PDF doesn't exist? Do what I'd do: chip in with a few friends and buy a copy of the book, cut the binding of it off, and feed the whole thing through a copy machine that scans to PDF. Costs $10-20 a person, and everyone gets a digital copy. Easy. I put the extra money I saved that my fellowship allocated to books and put it into an IRA that's doing nicely.
So, you can try and solve the problem ... or you can just throw your money around blindly. Whichever.
[–]OneEyedMasa 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You know what's funny? If someone said this was on a University memes page, it would get downvoted to shit.
[–]Nexious 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
One textbook that I ordered internationally, for like $40 vs. $130, was word-for-word identical to the US version (as they usually are), except the exercises at the end of each chapter were deliberately reordered and the instructor only told us the exercise numbers to do, not the actual problems. I managed to obtain the "US" questions using a mix of the Amazon preview and Google Books, but how annoying...
Not only are textbooks outrageously expensive, usually the quality of the content is simply awful. I have to assume they deliberately add typos and factual inaccuracies so they can make those few changes and force the new edition on students each year. Also, I've had more than a few textbooks that were on their xth edition from just a year ago yet the technical content within them clearly hadn't been touched since the late 90s.
Then, there are the college exclusive books that are literally written (or "enhanced") by instructors at the school itself so you MUST order from the college bookstore.
[–]meatwad75892 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Bottled water in a first world country.
[–]aidaman 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
University convenience store screws you harder. 4 dollars for a half-gallon of milk!
[–]AquaticDeath 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
$7 for a really, really really small jar of nutella. Now what am I going to do when I get high.
[–]STYLiNGtooFAST 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
:O
Jonas Blaine...
[–]NorCalNerd 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Actually, I believe the administrators are the ones who screw you over. They determine what books the teachers will use, which is usually the new "revised" $120 version, at least where I live. They probably get some perk for this from the publishers.
[–]promethean93 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
As we all know the price of college textbooks at this time has become outright extortion. Thus many of us in the industry have taken it upon ourselves to put these companies out of business. So here is a set of links to some resources that will aid you in your education process. Get all the books you can as fast as you can. as I write this publishers are fighting us at every turn and keeping these resources available to the market is getting increasingly difficult. They may not be here tomorrow.
I only ask that you propagate this resource to fellow students and others on the web. This is one thing you can do that will make a big difference. Every book you give to another needy seeker of knowledge takes 100's of dollars of extortion money from the oppressors of knowledge in this world. Given the sheer mass of books sold and the fact that the student unable to 'acquire' books will either be at a disadvantage or be forced to pony up the cash this effort is making a real difference not in just opposing the Corporate takeover of our education system but ensuring education is not a resource available only to the wealthy.
http://www.torrentmybooks.com/index.php
http://librarypirate.me/?p=home&pid=1
The Pirata does not ask for your money, only your support, pay it forward.
[–]piratavovin 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This is the best viable method in taking down their monopoly.
[–]Geovicsha 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Is there a way to put in a request for some books? They are not on either site and I am not a millionaire.
[–]RJ1989T 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
my bookstore didn't install cameras or those door things until I'd already stolen hundreds of dollars in headphones, calculators, apparel and books or school supplies. I made off like a bandit. Thanks SCSU!!!
[–]spaceboundmonkeys 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
$200 for a book you barely read.
[–]kearneycation 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The book stores only charge 20% more than what they pay. Source: I work for a textbook company.
[–]thetas 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Amazon! related: I miss The Unit so much D':
[–]inevitablesky 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I'm not in school anymore, but when I was I remember it was especially frustrating when the professor wouldn't tell you what books would be needed until the first day of class and would require you to have them within a few days. At that point the only way to get some of them quickly enough was to give in to the bookstore. Like really, you couldn't have put this online a week ago so that I could have saved 70 bucks?
[–]HipsterBarista 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
For those in high school or new to college, this is probably the cheapest way to handle textbooks every semester:
Determine what textbooks you need, either before the class starts, or from the course syllabus on the first day of class.
Search torrent sites to see if you can download the e-book or a previous version. If your course book can't be found online, then,
Buy them used from Amazon. Often times the professor will stress that you NEED the most current edition (9th ed, 10th ed, w/e), but in almost every case so far in my college career, the previous edition will do just fine and it will be a fraction of the cost. If you absolutely MUST buy the most current edition (for example, the end-of-chapter homework problems are different in the recent edition), then,
Buy the most current international edition. For whatever reason, textbook companies bend over American students. The international edition is usually word for word the exact same material, with a different cover, and usually at a 50% discount.
Hope this helps new students.
[–]mindglitch 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I used to work at a college bookstore.
As amazing as it seems, the textbook department ran at a loss, even with the crazy prices.
[–]sprawld 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Dollar for dollar... by far America's best black president
Truth is truth, powerful black man. Truth is truth.
[–]BobDOfTheGalaxy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Anyone else read that in his voice?
[–]sirJackHandy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I wish I had a dollar for every time I spent a dollar, because then, yahoo!, I'd have all my money back
[–]Derf0293 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Thank god for eBook readers. Most of my college books are on my kindle for this reason.
[–]DukeOfGeek 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Oh, no no no, my friends, paying for text messaging is the highest markup for a service/commodity in the history of commerce.
/tru story bro.
[–]Darwinator618 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Renting books online is far more cheaper. Places like chegg.com or Amazon if I'm not mistaken let you rent for a semester, at a lower price than buying. If you REALLY want to hold on to a text book you can also pay to keep it.
[–]scubsurf 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Just so you know... most university bookstores aren't run by the university, they are often run by a 3rd party company who simply stocks your university's shit there.
They pay your university more than your university could ethically charge for the shit they sell, and in turn, overcharge the hell out of you, the students.
[–]doodoobatter 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I go to a very reputable community college, and on more than one occasion, an anti-bookstore prof has hinted at "other" ways to get your books (cyberlocker, torrents). And then went ahead and bashed their price gouging practices. I go for programming, which may have something to do with it...
[–]Dcornelissen 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Since when is President Palmer a new kind of scumbag meme?
[–]PaulGriffin 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
It's a play off his insurance commercials where he says "Dollar for dollar" and then something about insurance. I always stop listening and fantasizing about how awesome 24 was.
[–]thangle 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I've seen lots of the dailies from the All State ads with this guy. He's a raging douchenozzle when he thinks the camera is off.
What are you referring to?
[–]thangle 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The guy in this picture is the All State car/home/boat insurance spokesperson (or at least he was for like the last 5 years). He does his nice black man with an authoritative voice thing, makes you feel at ease. And then when the audio is still rolling and but the camera is off, he curses a blue streak at the crew and director and is just a general all around asshole.
[–]moby323 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
To be fair, if you ever had an accident, you would know that Allstate is definitely up there in the screw-you department.
TO BE FAIR.
[–]ANewAccountCreated 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Car dealerships? Insurance agents? Paypal?
...Verizon? AT&T?
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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