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How we've bought our music for the past 30 years (digitalmusicnews.com)
submitted 6 months ago by juiceboxheero
[–]FBIorange 47 points48 points49 points 6 months ago
Why the fuck did they put a cassette player in my '01 Taurus if they were at 4% for that year?
[–]uhohhotdog 33 points34 points35 points 6 months ago
It's so that your tape adapter could plug into your ipod and work efficiently ten years later? Really! It's better than using a crappy radio adapter and if you own an '01, you're obviously are not gonna get the tape deck replaced, because you would've bought a newer car if you had any intention of doing that! (speaking for myself)
[–]FBIorange 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago
yea I forgot to mention, the tape adapter thing is a plus. It just baffles me that a tape player was installed over a CD player post 2000
[–]demosapiens 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
This beats the tape adapter. Keeps the dash looking stock, sounds better than the tape adapter and fm modulator, and it's convenient. Of course Ford could have dropped the fucking weirdly shaped stereo/ac controls so an aftermarket stereo could be used, but who's complaining?
[–]mellolizard 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Sounds better, but takes longer to install I bet too. Tape adapter is something I can buy at wal mart and immediately reap the rewards.
[–]burpen 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
It does take longer, and depending on your car you may have to take some of your console apart.
For mine I had to pop off the passenger kick plate and the center console cover, then plug the adapter into a port on the back of my stock CD player. Since taking the CD player out was way more complicated than popping off the console panel, I ended up reaching in the console and going under and up to the back of the CD player. It took me about an hour and I scraped up my arm/wrist/hand pretty badly on all the sharp edges, but it was so worth it compared to the FM tuner I had been using.
[–]Unsung_Zero 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Or this, and get a new stereo
[–]derpiato 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
why not just put a 3.5mm socket in?
[–]biteableniles 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
There's a tape deck in my 04 Jeep, along with an in-dash CD player and rear CD changer.
I don't know why.
[–]plasmalaser1 163 points164 points165 points 6 months ago
I hate it when gifs change before i can read them.
[–]ApatheticElephant 18 points19 points20 points 6 months ago
I hate the fact that my internet's slow enough that I have plenty of time to read one frame before the next loads.
[–]This_is_lacrdy 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago
Enjoy.
[–]paaty 98 points99 points100 points 6 months ago*
Esc to pause a gif
F5 to resume a gif
EDIT: I should clarify that this only works on Firefox afaik.
[–]Iceberg_Sim 38 points39 points40 points 6 months ago
Seriously though.
[–]MindStalker 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago
Whoa, wait, what?
[–]analgorefan 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
Well, it doesn't work for me (Windows 7/Chrome); Esc does nothing, F5 sends it back to the beginning of the gif loop.
[–]FadedMastermasterofmadmen 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
Thanks, worked in Firefox for me. :)
[–]rmh86 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
F5 restarts the gif rather than resumes it (at least for me anyway).
I find a good way is to click on the gif and drag (as if the gif was an icon and you wanted to move it somewhere). As long as you carry on holding down the mouse button, the gif pauses. Release to resume :)
[–]Mr_MojoRising 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
Not on a mac, apparently?
[–]Bloodhound01 11 points12 points13 points 6 months ago
Have to buy the gif stop/start app for $19.99
[–]Mr_MojoRising 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Ahhhh, gracias.
[–]pmofmalasia 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
The F keys are shit on macs, sadly.
[–]bobothetwit 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
You can swap those keys to work as F keys normally and media/brightness by holding Fn if you want. Its in keyboard settings.
Well, TIL. I mostly use my windows desktop now though lol
[–]jrhoffa 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
On which planet?
[–]HerpDerpHerpy 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I dunno, I think he means this one?
[–]turkeyfox 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
first world problems
[–]mastersprinklesmastersprinkles 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I hate it when gifs don't have the last 2 years of recent information on them.
[–]skipwith 293 points294 points295 points 6 months ago
ITs amazing that half of all music is still purchased as CDs
[–]FappingAsYouReadThis 73 points74 points75 points 6 months ago
I thought the same thing. I'm surprised that many people still buy them. I mean, it's nice to have a physical thing and all, but a folder full of mp3's is a lot more convenient than a stack of CD's.
[–]luckyscsluckyscs 81 points82 points83 points 6 months ago
Tech lag. Cars, stereos. These big ticket items take up a home for 10 years. The Ipod came out in like early 2000's and mp3 players weren't big until the Ipod. People were still invested in their early millenium gear, bought off the wealth of a very bullish market.
[–]FappingAsYouReadThis 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago
Ahh, that makes sense. Still, you can burn mp3's onto blank CD's (unless they're also counting blank CD's in that pie chart). Perhaps that isn't as common as I thought.
[–]snorkedsnorkedsnorke 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago
but you can rip a CD and you don't have to worry about it ever being revoked.
[–]smashedsaturn 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago
but CDs are many times the quality of mp3s on bitrate, let alone sampling and bit count, so CDs are usually bought by those of us who care about sound quality, and then ripped to FLAC for easy use on our computers
[–]chrisbooth12 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
Most people cannot tell the difference between the two and the ones that can do not do it often enough to account for random guessing
[–]pyroja 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
Honestly, nearly nobody can reliably tell the difference between a 320kbps MP3 and CD audio. I'm all for having the best quality audio, but don't imply that CD is "many times" better than (reasonably well encoded) MP3.
[–]mruptown 25 points26 points27 points 6 months ago
that's annoying to do, and doesn't feel as right. Even if you own the music. I'd much rather have the actual case with the disc art and all as I insert the CD into my car or something, so that it feels like I actually benefited from buying music rather than just downloading it for free.
[–]wasterni 27 points28 points29 points 6 months ago
Benefit? The music isn't the benefit? Looks like I have been buying music incorrectly my entire life.
[–][deleted] 56 points57 points58 points 6 months ago
I do kinda miss the pleasure of opening a new disc, inspecting it, reading the liner notes while enjoying the whole album.
Something's been lost by going full digital.
[–]BasketOfKittens 26 points27 points28 points 6 months ago
This is why you buy those nice vinyls that come with free downloads. It's a win-win situation.
[–]DucksEchoes 32 points33 points34 points 6 months ago
Never go full digital.
[–]dirk_b 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
And a lot has been gained.
[–]Ooboga 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I love how you all write about opening new disks, when for me the great shift was between LPs and CDs. You can´t fit art into that small paper format. Or so I thought...
[–]kateastrophic 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I agree with all of that but the opening of a new disc. What the hell were they wrapped in? Not to mention that hard plastic theft-deterrent shell.
[–]SharkBaitDLSPandora name 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
I had a keychain blade made specifically to slide along the edge of a jewel case and slice the plastic right off. Bought it for a dollar at a garage sale, greatest thing ever.
It's strange how much envy I feel over an item I haven't needed for a decade.
[–]Lamuriaslamurias 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
i read the wikipedia page, or the band's forum or site, etc. there's so much more information on the internet than you would get from the liner notes, if it's a big band/album. otherwise, yeah you're right.
[–]zerton 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Yes you have. Ever been to a record store? It's an amazing feeling.
[–]mruptown 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I mean it's the benefit of buying the content rather than just continuing to enjoy it for free illegally. If I buy digital music, there's no difference in my experience other than feeling good about myself that I spent $10 on something I can't physically touch.
[–]iccccceman 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Downloading ≠ free.
[–]FatGuyANALLIttlecoatshaqapotamus 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I agree. For my birthday I replaced my copy of Nevermind and still haven't taken it out of the packaging (3-4 days ago). I have it on my laptop, but it just feels right to have the whole thing. Buying music is more than just the sounds. Semi-nonsequiter(spelling?)--tool proves that point with every new release.
[–]fractalife 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Tech lag? Not even. TRS Connectors have been around for a very long time. I don't know why they've just become popular in cars, now dubbed with silly names like "MP3 ports". If anyone knows why the simplest, and most widely used audio connection was not standard for car stereos, and (more understandably) standalone stereos, please share the information. It always bugged me. Though, Cassette Tape Adapters were a great alternative, once tape decks were replaced by CD players, even a burnt CD had to use the space wasting Audio CD format because most of those don't support MP3 CD's. tl;dr: Why weren't 3.5mm jack inputs standard for car audio?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
my sister has a weird cassette thing which lets her plug in her iphone, goes into the car cassette player, I believe it goes through the headphones cable.
[–]a_JAMzorzz 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Yep, seen that 'converter' thing quite a lot. Mostly with people who don't have an AUX port in their car and don't want to burn CDs. Provides much faster song selection.
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[–]thratty 57 points58 points59 points 6 months ago
True, but a CD means you could rip FLAC files instead of downloading 256 Kbps tracks off iTunes.
[–]derpologist 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago
it's nice to have a physical thing and all
Er...I feel the opposite. I want to get rid of more stuff.
[–]GeorgeTaylorGTaylorGrimes 42 points43 points44 points 6 months ago*
I still buy CDs and DVDs because I hate the idea that all my shit could be lost instantly. Even though I have back ups out the ass, I love that I always have the album, and the security that comes along with it.
[–]reddell 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
A CD is just another backup. It's no different than saving to an external drive except CDs are a lot easier to scratch. Maybe saving to a cloud service would be better for your security needs.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
Pressed CDs are completely different than CD-Rs. CD-Rs should NEVER be used as a long-term backup.
[–]reddell 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Neither should be, imo. I was just starting that fundamentally it's just another external storage device so just get an external hard drive or start a thumb drive collection. There's no need to keep the CD dream alive.
[–]tylerdurden03 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
So you buy CD's because those cannot be lost?
[–]GeorgeTaylorGTaylorGrimes 17 points18 points19 points 6 months ago
Not in a magical poof. If my computer fucks up an dies I still have all my favorite albums. I am very much stuck in the old ways, but it gives me more of a sense of security.
[–]deserted 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago*
A better sense of security comes from offsite backups! My parent's computers backup to mine, and vice versa. I bought a 1.5TB external hard drive for myself, and one for my parents. We each have a copy of each other's data, and our own, at any given time!
[–]Werv 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
I enjoy watching my physical collection get larger. I also enjoy the little knick-knacks they sometimes throw in (however there is less and less). Just call me old fashion.
[–]calculuzz 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Hello, old fashion.
[–]night_owl 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I also enjoy the little knick-knacks they sometimes throw in (however there is less and less).
It seems to me like this is actually getting more common. Many artists and labels realize that the only way they can differentiate their physical product from the digital version are those value-added throw-ins. It seems to me that a lot of artists i listen to also try to package merch deals like free/discounted t-shirts, posters, stickers, etc. with new releases to encourage people to buy the physical copies.
[–]Thatguykalem 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
But this is what it used to be like in the days of vinyl. You'd get your record, a poster, a big lyrics books, the big, cool-lookin' sleeve, and often other bonus stuff, like stickers. That was all standard, too.
[–]glovesoff11 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I bought an album from a band called Anathallo back in about 2002-03 or so, and along with the cd came a foil package that had dirt and seeds in it and instructions so you could grow whatever plant it was in a cup. Pretty awesome.
[–]Bugs_Pussy 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
I still buy CDs most of the time because I want my music in a lossless format. As more and more digital download services start adopting FLAC and the like, I'll have no problem going full digital.
[–]Paultimate79 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I half understand this. I understand the reasoning of wanting lossless music (thats half I do get) the part I dont get is why people stop at CD quality when many bands have better than CD quality music out? CD quality lossless or not, might as well be lossy when compared with superior audio, and if you have a system where you can tell the difference between 320mp3 and a flac file of CD audio, you most certainly have a system that can tell the difference between that and super audio.
[–]Vilhermus 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Itunes(or similar) is only relevant in a few countries.
[–]skwigger 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I'd much rather buy a CD for the same price as a digital download. It's not like I can't rip my CD to mp3.
[–]EClarkee 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Why can't you have both? I have CD's and when I buy them, I rip them to my iTunes. I love physical copies.
[–]Rookwood 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Except the industry is fighting digital downloads buy overcharging for something that has no physical presence, implementing restrictive DRM, providing low bitrates, and not being open to other codecs like Ogg and FLAC. I can buy a CD and rip my songs into any format I like, without worrying about DRM spyware telling me what I can and cannot do with it.
[–]Theinternationalist 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
CDs are getting cheaper these days, hence the dropping profits. Furthermore, sometimes it is cheaper to buy a used CD than a $5 deal on Amazon. I got Apollo 18 for $1.5, $3.5 including shipping.
[–]SovietRaptor 20 points21 points22 points 6 months ago
I don't know. When I buy music, and I rarely do, I would rather have a CD than a digital copy, especially when I may not have full access to in certain cases due to various DRMs.
Also, the majority of music that I am given or give are in the forms of the CD. It is just a lot more convenient and thoughtful when I give someone a CD of a band I think they might like rather than the impersonal itunes gift-card.
[–]Cwellan 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
I think purchased is the key word there.
1.) When Napster came out, I do not know a single person in my young teenage years who didn't download like friggen crazy.In fact a friend and I were just joking that 1/2 of our music library today is stuff we originally got off of Napster like 15 years ago.
OK..now for my mini rant. Now..what some of you youngins may not realize, is that at the time CDs were $18,$20,$22+ a pop...and you couldn't get singles really. So if you really liked a song or two by an artist you were going to shell out some stupid cash for the album. Its amazing thinking back how much Napster changed the entire music industry...and it was IMO a fight between stupidly greedy music industry, and fans. I honestly think that if the industry kept prices at a fairly reasonable level Napster and subsequently digital distribution in general would have happened a lot later than it did. I do think maybe it has swung too far in the other direction.
2.) Spotify/Last FM/Pandora.
3.) Youtube
4.) Torrents/illegal downloads
So yeah, I don't think this chart accurately portrays how music is being DELIVERED. As others have mentioned I would imagine its changed quite a bit in the last 2 years as well.
[–]TheCanadianAtheistradio reddit name 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I agree with a majority of your points, but I am curious what is the problem with youtube and last fm? I find allot of new artists through those services and use them to decide whether or not to purchase a song.
[–]PrecariousLettuce 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I don't think he's suggesting they're a problem. He's pointing out the flaws in showing only how music is purchased, rather than how it is delivered.
[–]IbanezAndBeer 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
CDs are very important to me. I love flipping through the art and images that accompany the album; and also having a nice collection of their lyrics. (That are always correct; unlike internet lyric sites...)
[–]Squidamatron 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
I think it's more for of an archival thing, and that many people believe they can abx mp3 and flac.
Me, I like to have the flac handy for duplicating cd's. Also the physical copy is damn convenient for getting signed.
[–]Granthree 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I always buy on CD's. If I want a mp3 I will just download and not pay. The price for CD and mp3 is almost the same here in Denmark. I do not want to pay as much for the mp3 as the cd. There's less "product". Sound quality is worse
[–]ilostmyoldaccount 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago*
It's unamazing. People want actual physical value. Album art. Personally, I'd be fine with buying USB sticks. I also prefer the better sound quality that CDs often offer. Or do people download FLAC?
On a side note, I also purchase my games in reality. Don't like the idea of digital possession of a game. It's not real to me. Especially if I'm not downloading the full game in its entirety. I fear the day we start streaming everything. It's going to come sooner or later if money has the say. What greater way to spoonfeed, monitor, control and dis-empower than stream all content and games? Yeah, it's that great that it's inevitable. Downloading music is step in that direction. It is preparing our anuses for the ultimate cock that will be streaming fucking everything. Its selling point will appeal to the technically illiterate: neat, now I don't even need the hardware anymore.
sorry mate, you didn't deserve this long and random /rant
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
what I never understood was how the MD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniDisc won the battle over the cd WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A PROTECTIVE CASING!!!
[–]RightOfTomorrow 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Most of my music is digital, but recently I bought a CD (and a cassette!) because I couldn't find it in digital format. When I do buy CDs I rip them straight away though.
[–]Sr_DingDong 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
No it's not! It's all being downloaded illegally and the industry is dying god don't you listen to the RIAA?
[–]decodersignal 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
The key word is "purchased"
[–]MightyMorph 170 points171 points172 points 6 months ago*
A fun fact: The Entertainment industry actually wanted to ban the production & development of CD Technology. Because they believed that it would cause unstoppable piracy and ruin the industry all together forcing it to shut down.
Seriously they went at it hard, actually stating that cds would be the end of the entertainment industry.
In reality what the main reason was, was that the Entertainment industry was already invested in VHS and previous old school media, that buying the rights, development and equipment for the new technology seemed for them to be a less viable option than stopping technological advancements that have led us to this point.
Imagine a world if cds were not invented....
Edit; A very interesting read about the entertainment industry, under the guise of copyright infringement, has tried to halt technological advancements, and at some points succeeded as well.
http://torrentfreak.com/the-copyright-industry-a-century-of-deceit-111127/
Kinda funny how history is repeating itself with the Internet now, isn't it.
[–][deleted] 46 points47 points48 points 6 months ago
They claimed that VHS would kill the movie industry too. They've fought every technological advance that has ever come along. They fought wax cylinders because it would put musicians out of business.
[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 6 months ago
Yes, I find it asinine that Jack Valenti fought tooth and nail to keep VCRs out of households, actually delayed the introduction for a few years and cost the industry billions in revenue as a result, yet the industry thinks of him as one of their saints. They're all fucked in the head.
[–]wobbegong 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
They're all fucked in the head.
upvoted purely because i love that phrase
[–]1stmistake 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
We could've had direct brain streaming by now.
[–]night_owl 18 points19 points20 points 6 months ago
Many early American blues musicians refused to record their music. They were afraid that if they recorded their performances then they would have a hard time getting hired to play gigs where they made their money.
We are almost coming full circle now, where artists rely on live performance revenue (or now, merch as well) for most of their income.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago
Well Katy Perry made $44 million between May 2010-2011. She made most of it from touring.
Her record label? Made $8 million off her album.
[–]HaroldLauder 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
TIL! This post deserves some credit for being incredibly interesting.
[–]00OO00 58 points59 points60 points 6 months ago
If you want a longer look at the slides: http://imgur.com/a/c0Ik2
[–]baryluk 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago
Can anybody having original data create something like this: http://www.top500.org/overtime/list/38/vendors
[–]mstksg 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
gif is probably the least useful and informative way to possibly display this information.
[–]davetrautz 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I agree except that I solely watched the CD section the first time through, and damn, that was a trip. And then I wanted to know what the rest of it said.
[–]loanshark 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Exactly... line graphs people, or area graphs that show percentages out of 100. I could make a better graph in 5 minutes if I had the data.
[–]bonnici 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Since I was interested and I apparently have nothing better to do, I imported the data into a google spreadsheet and made a few graphs.
[–]suricatta79 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Did you capture those one frame at a time and upload them into an imgur album?
Appreciate the effort :) but you can save time by using this website: http://gif-explode.com/http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/uploads/c7/54/c754a049aa1aaa07390190e6a28865f6/30years.gif
[–]00OO00 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I did use an online service to break them apart. The thought of doing it by hand makes me chuckle.
[–]crod242 26 points27 points28 points 6 months ago
Here's a single slide summary from my own research.
[–]LordBlessTheAtheism 18 points19 points20 points 6 months ago
Am I the only one who wants to know the source of these percentages?
[–]maddie82 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Don't you just love how people can put up a graph and everyone takes it as truth? Actual numbers from a credible source would be nice.
[–]Ajjeb 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
Watch for the LP to see the hipster bump in terms of its sales in the late 2000s... small niche, but a proportionately interesting jump.
[–]FlameSnare 14 points15 points16 points 6 months ago
Now, I'm no rocket scientists, but I'd say there's a pattern here.
Too bad the record companies don't seem to have the prudence to make a good decision.
[–]jcs4197 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago
What's the good decision they need to make?
[–]decodersignal 34 points35 points36 points 6 months ago
Die.
[–]jcs4197 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
Aah, I see now. Thanks!
[–]Werv 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I disagree, they need to give their music out freely while still finding great artists. One can only hope.
[–]notablack 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Great artists don't need record companies anymore.
[–]Afterburned 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
Can you name a great artist that has never signed with a record label?
[–]alexander_apathy 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
Does it count if they made their own label, and that's the only one they signed to? If so, I know my friend would say Bomb the Music Industry!
[–]ajleeceajleece 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Bomb The Music Industry.
[–]dyt 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I am a rocket scientist and I also see a pattern there.
[–]nepidae 18 points19 points20 points 6 months ago
It would have been so much cooler if the chart didn't constantly change sizes.
[–]waterdamagedphone 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Animated gif is not an acceptable motion chart delivery method. Drop some Google Chart API on that data! Come on!
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[–]greatestactoralivebrekko 27 points28 points29 points 6 months ago
The single is ruining society! How come no one can listen to whole albums anymore?
[–]tartay745 22 points23 points24 points 6 months ago
Ok just guessing here but I assume most of the singles sold are pop bands or singers. Almost all these people don't write their own music. They just show up and sing it. So buying singles isn't really a crap on most people (I assume) because their music is just an amalgamation of songs other people created.
[–]SushiGradeNarwhal 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
But, but singles sometimes come with unreleased tracks and remixes.
[–]RoboChrist 11 points12 points13 points 6 months ago
I would strongly disagree with your assessment. Albums allow artists to package 10 shitty songs with two good ones and force you to buy the entire thing to get the ones you want. Selling songs by singles requires them to put in at least some effort to maintain consistent quality. Not as a matter of taste, but just as a matter of production value and effort.
[–]jigga283 23 points24 points25 points 6 months ago
I agree with the other commentator. I mean this in jest but you listen to shitty music if that's the case :P
I'm currently listening to "Back to Mine", a mix album by Faithless. Albums are supposed to be a story, a narrative, a journey - NOT - and I repeat, NOT - a collection of disjoint tracks.
http://www.discogs.com/Faithless-Back-To-Mine/release/16525
[–]pibroch 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Ehh, The Beatles had a few pretty ace records that were collections of disjointed tracks. I agree that bands who put effort into writing an entire album are awesome, but it doesn't have to be that way for an album to be great. "Who's Next", "A Hard Day's Night", "Back in Black"... Lots of classic albums with some great tunes and some filler.
Albums are supposed to be a story, a narrative, a journey - NOT - and I repeat, NOT - a collection of disjoint tracks.
I wish that was still the case. My favorite is Rob Dougan's Furious Angels.
[–]tartay745 24 points25 points26 points 6 months ago
I don't know what kind of music you listen to but in the past 15 years I have never bought an album and didn't listen to it as an entire album. And I have also never purchased a single.
[–]Wondering_Wandering 13 points14 points15 points 6 months ago*
Albums are sort of like movies. Most of the time, if the artist is good, the entire album will be cohesive and have a sort of 'plot' to it that progresses from track 1 to the end.
Edit: Not to mention my favorite all-time favorite songs are the ones i neglect listening to because they're the hardest to get into but most rewarding.
[–]captain_stewart 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Reminds me of OK Computer
[–]Wondering_Wandering 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
And The Bends, and Kid A, and Amnesiac, and Hail to the Thief although Thom's said he never liked the way the album flowed, and In Rainbows and even King of Limbs.
Not Radiohead but Sufjan Stevens' album "Come On, Feel the Illinoise!" is probably the best example of this that i can think of.
[–]timdev 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I agree with the others. Being into singles (or the artists who aim to produce them) is like watching TV for the awesome commercials. For chrissakes, grow an attention span. It will serve you well.
[–]pmofmalasia 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
If this is how you feel about the music you listen to, start listening to some good prog. They make every song count.
[–]offworld92 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Fucking Coheed and Cambria. Oh my god. Easily on of the best bands of the 2000's.
[–]bigsphinxofquartz 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
I feel like this image has been getting reposted for the past 30 years
[–]Icachowda 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
I buy all my music on vinyl. Yes I'm a hipster.
[–]baryluk 8 points9 points10 points 6 months ago*
Sad that DVD-Audio is so rare. I know souround sound is hard and more expensive to create, but even simple stereo in 24bit/96 or 192kHz sampling will be some difference. And you can put few hours if needed (usefull for live concerns, best of, classical musics, etc. etc)
:(
DVD-A even lower than SACD!? WTF?
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
I think FLAC files on computer will take off soon.
[–]a_can_of_solo 23 points24 points25 points 6 months ago
2012 is the year of the linux desktop
[–]thratty 15 points16 points17 points 6 months ago
The Nokia N-Gage will make a comeback.
[–]Jonovox 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
Thank God, I love tacos.
[–]Werv 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Hooray for history!
[–]FappingAsYouReadThis 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Once more memory in portable music players is common (8 or 16g isn't gonna cut it), it probably will.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 6 months ago
By that time everyone's internet will be so throttled 96kb/s mono mp3's will probably be taking off.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
There is no audible difference between SACD/DVD-Audio and CD. Redbook CD already goes beyond the limits of human hearing.
[–]august_eighty 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Incorrect. It's not just about the sample rate. Bit rate is extremely important to the dynamics and thus clarity of audio. Dynamic range difference between 16 bit (CD) and 24 bit (DVD) is enormous at the production, mastering and playback stage. The reason you may not be hearing a difference is because the source was originally 16-bit, over compressed / limited in mastering, poorly mastered to 16-bit and then upped to 24-bit for DVD pressing.
If you listen to music that was produced at 24-bit and then broadcast at 24-bit, with no dithering or or bit-rate reduction at any point in the chain - and with exceptional converters / clocks (eg. some albums / live concerts that are made for Blue-Ray DVD resolution, as well as Radiohead's 24 bit release of 'The King Of Limbs' ) you'll hear a massive difference in quality to the 16-bit counterpart.
Note: Bit rate does not affect how good the actual sound is - it affects how much room instruments, voices have to work with. You could relate it to visuals in the sense that higher sample rates give you nicer colors, but high bit rate will give you a wider range of colors. You can absolutely hear the difference between 16-bit (CD) / 24-bit (DVD).
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Quite wrong.
Read this thread (24bit vs 16bit, the myth exploded!) do see why you are wrong. A quick summary:
I know that some people are going to say this is all rubbish, and that “I can easily hear the difference between a 16bit commercial recording and a 24bit Hi-Rez version”. Unfortunately, you can't, it's not that you don't have the equipment or the ears, it is not humanly possible in theory or in practice under any conditions
Quite simply, you are lying (either to me or to yourself) if you are saying that you can hear the difference between 24bit and 16bit.
That was a fascinating read! Thanks
[–]august_eighty 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago*
The article makes a common and not surprising mistake. Highlighted in these two sentences:
1) >The only difference between 16bit and 24bit is 48dB of dynamic range (8bits x 6dB = 48dB) and nothing else.>
2) The recordings with the largest dynamic range tend to be symphony orchestra recordings but even these virtually never have a dynamic range greater than about 60dB.
Yes, this would be the case if all music, and all sound elements of a movie (dialogue, sfx, ambience, music) were recorded with one stereo microphone set up, all at the same time. All elements coming together at the same time tend to have very little dynamic range - and it's long been debated whether stereo symphonic recordings sound all that different in 16 or 24-bit.
However - this is not how most music production, and sound production work.
Dialogue on its own; an acoustic guitar on its own; each individual drum in a drum set all have significant dynamic range. The ability to capture this range in more extreme degrees (a benefit of higher bit-rate) from each individual instrument means that when all elements are summed together into a full production, you have a significant quality difference. And in many different ways: in terms of perceived difference between loud / quiet passages, the impact that effects like reverb, compression have on transients and reverb / sustain tails, in the clarity and range of the instruments (especially guitar, drums, voice, gun fire) and especially the overall noise floor: the ability to record with much more headroom means you can record further above the noise floor at higher bit rates. It also means you can push saturation points on digital software emulations of analog gear.
So no, I'm not lying. I do this every single day - and have tested 16 / 24 bit recordings countless times. There has never been a single case that the 16-bit summed mix has ever sounded equal to 24-bit. That's after about 12 years working at 24-bit in almost every genre I can think of. Despite an ongoing debate, I can still hear significant differences in stereo recordings done back to back at 16 vs. 24 bit. The 24 bit always feels more natural - natural meaning, it doesn't feel compressed, which is what I think 16-bit sounds like. The same goes not just for recordings but playback. Playing back a 24 bit recording after it has been brought down to 16-bit always feels emptier and of less quality.
So yes, the article is correct that the only benefit of higher bit-rate is an extension of dynamic range (like I said originally) - but to think this has no effect on the quality of audio production is ridiculous.
EDIT: If this thread is still alive tomorrow morning, I'll post an example and see if anyone can tell the difference.
[–]a_can_of_solo -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago*
shhh they're Audiophiles don't reason with them
[–]sushmortion 25 points26 points27 points 6 months ago
Audiophiles
[–]Caticorn 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago*
While you could make a case for larger bit-depth as 16-bit only holds 96 decibels of dynamic range, 44.1khz is adequate for a delivery format because it perfectly preserves all information below 22.05khz, which is just above the ceiling of the human hearing range (assuming sane playback levels).
[–]Trooper2442 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
2002 was a good year for CD's.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
What are Kiosk and Digital Performance Royalties?
And who buys a music video? (And how was this done before the Internet? Were they sold in stores?)
[–]Caticorn 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Surprising amount of people buy music videos. Bit less than a decade ago I got the DVD set of Chris Cunningham's works; easily worth the money.
[–]s-u-i-p 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
It makes me happy to see that LP/EP still has more than one percent of the market. It's a wonderful format.
[–]The_Seeker 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
It's a shame SACD never took off.
[–]Wutzberger 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
When I read the "past 30 years" title I thought the gif would begin in 1970. Now I feel old.
[–]wrektor 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I will stop buying CD's when I'm provided the ability to purchase 16/44.1/2 FLAC audio. HDTracks is a good source but their catalog is small. I do not care for apple lossless (we did not need another lossless audio format, Apple.). I want FLAC and yes, I feel justifiably entitled to mandate the codec my audio comes in when I pay money for it. It's 2012, not 1980 -- computing power and storage are both extremely cheap so transcoding formats at purchase time to deliver the audio in the format specified by the purchaser is NOT at ALL unrealistic. When this happens, I will stop buying CD's. Until then, I will buy CD's. I will then rip said CD's to FLAC audio at my choice of quality. Until then, I will continue procuring media through alternate sources. Paying money for lossy audio is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. Paying for audio restricted by any form of DRM (proprietary formats, digital licensing, whatever) is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. Now, vote with your dollars.
[–]DickDatchery 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
DO THIS: I always just buy the vinyl, which usually includes a free digital download of the album, which I then burn to a CD and put on my iPod
[–]pokemonwhore 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
I still buy vinyls. I'm the 0.1%.
[–]FBIorange 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
Side note: Vinyl stays for the entire GIF, watch it slowly dwindle to 0%
[–]mayor_of_awesometown 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
And then begin a slow ascent from 2008 onward.
[–]EnageLookItsJames 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
It never actually hits 0%, gets down to .1% then starts to bounce back. If the gif continued to present day you'd see it gain a lot more ground as well.
[–]OsamaBongLoadin 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
how ive bought my shit for the past 26 years: vinyl vinyl vinyl 100% fuckem up
[–]alieonicable 11 points12 points13 points 6 months ago
Interesting how vinyl dies with the CD and is revived by the mp3. I find vinyl to be the go-to choice for a non-digital physical copy of music. It's far more intimate and interesting than a CD or Cassette. IMO the ways things are heading are for the better.
[–]mayor_of_awesometown 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
I agree. I've invested over the past couple of years in vinyl. My reasoning is--if either the vinyl or the cd comes with a digital download, then I want the vinyl. I'm going to be listening to the album mostly on my mp3 player or on my laptop, anyway, so I'd rather have the nice, big artwork of the record.
[–]2Deluxe 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I buy my music, but it's on a media you've probably never heard of.
[–]NoMoreCreativeNames 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
How to get to the front page of reddit every 30 days...
[–]riggleStar 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
As a young musician (17) and obvious music lover, I do find it very convenient to be able to have accessibility to iTunes or torrent downloads, it's quick, it's simple, it's easy. But with that being said, I love having the physical copy of the CD, I love going to the music store and just taking the hundreds of artists in at once, and when I buy that CD, I'm able to transfer it onto my laptop, so I'm able to have it on my iPod. I've grown up with the uprising on downloading, but yet, I love the CD.
[–]ajleeceajleece 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
I'm the same as you. Except add vinyl in too.
[–]HeyCarpyEbolaMonkey 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
How is vinyl at 0%?
Also, it's really funny to see this explosion of new media types right around 2005. I actually would have thought it would be a few years earlier than that.
It's interesting also if you think of the filesharing boom of the early 21st century as a reaction to the 95% monopoly that $20 CDs held up until that point. It's definitely why I started pirating music - the bullshit focus group drivel churned out by the major labels, with million dollar music videos, product placements and heavy rotation on radio created a huge pushback from consumers like myself.
[–]almighty1984 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago
Vinyl singles was at 0%, but LP/EP was at 1.3%.
It may mean 0%, but that doesn't mean it's 0. The number is so small, it isn't even a % point. I assume they rounded the numbers.
Fair enough, it just seemed weird because Vinyl Singles have 0.2% all the way up to the mid-2000's. I was sure that vinyl albums had made something of a comeback in recent years.
[–]EnageLookItsJames 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
They did, it went from .1% in 2006 to 1.3% in 2010. Which coincidentally is the highest since the 80s.
[–]adi1004 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
music
Might be a shameless plug, but not bad.
[–]almighty1984 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I buy LP, but then mostly listen to mp3s.
[–]bigplansisay 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
How stop gif?
[–]IsaacLean 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I just see pacmen eating pacmen eating more pacmen. :P
[–]erez27 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
If only there was a clear and efficient way to represent graphs over a timeline..
[–]mouthbreather- 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I don't know about you guys but I know I own more than 50 lp's, 50 7"s/45's/ep's and 20 cassettes made in the last ten years.
fuck cd's.
[–]drbergzoid 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
that graph is going too damn fast!
[–]braceforimpact 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
It kind of makes you wonder where buying music will go from here? Where can we go from digital versions of music?
[–]zombieincomplete 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO MOVE SO FAST?!
[–]foreverhalcyon8 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I buy lp's, especially if they have download codes within. It's the best of both worlds, analog and digital.
[–]cheebnrun 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Can someone extract the frames and put them side by side? I'm too lazy.
[–]abendsen47 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
There's always Gif explode
[–]Freshenstein 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Wait...1980's not 30 years ago...
Oh. My. God.
I gotta go find a rope.
[–]Patron10 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
It's weird to be apart of music scenes and communities that inherently buy physical music and then see something like this where people are surprised by that very fact.
Frankly, if you don't pay for the music you listen to, you don't give a fuck about music.
[–]heart_of_a_liger 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Wow, music sold on cassettes we're apparently really popular for a long time? Grew up during the 80s and I only remember seeing one or two of those ever (pre-recorded ones that is).
[–]Knofbath 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
Wall of cassettes? The fact that a lot of cars only had tape decks. My first job at kmart in the late 90s still had a tape cassette section.
[–]heart_of_a_liger 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Yeah, my room and my family's car was littered with blank cassettes that we had recorded on off the radio, off vinyl, or later off cds. Pre-recorded ones though, think i only saw some occasional promotional stuff. I don't think they sold them in stores around here.
I think you're lying, (or maybe just grew up outside the US?) Cassetes were ubiquitous in the 80's, and well into the 90s.
What did music come on in your 80? I assume it was either vinyl or CD, but am curious which.
Yes, i grew up in Sweden... I started buying music in the late 80s to early 90s, it was vinyl for a little while but CD had fully taken over by like 93 maybe? Note that blank cassettes that we recorded stuff on from radio/vinyl/cd to play on boomboxes or in the car, those blanks were ubiquitous here. Pre-recorded cassettes, practically none.
[–]s-u-i-p 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Funny, in a lot of countries in Africa cassettes are still a very popular medium. Both decks and cassettes are cheap to produce and buy.
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