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Principles (I hope this is not a repost) (capinaremos.com)
submitted 8 months ago by Eclipsado
[–]Dabamanos 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
I like how the bottom image is made up of fat people so that we know we're supposed to not like them
[–]scooooot 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
And all gays look like Captain America, and of course one of the gays would be a little smaller, because that is the "girl" in the gay relationship. They would also look very much alike, almost like they were siblings, because everyone knows gays are very image conscious and only date people that look like them. They would also always have a bottle of water handy, because they are very healthy and go to the gym a lot. And the kids room would be amazing, you know how clever those gays are with decorating!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Now your really pulling at straws. It's a political cartoon, I wouldn't let it get at you that much.
[–]Tigerfairy 297 points298 points299 points 8 months ago
It's a repost, but that's okay. Because it's true.
[–]TheMarshma 26 points27 points28 points 8 months ago
Sorry hijacking. My dad was a meth dealer(in jail), and my mom worked 2 full time jobs to take care of us, when she met her gf we moved into a nice neighborhood with a new school, and they even flew me to europe with travel club, as well as paid for me to play lacrosse. I'd sure like adopted kids to be able to have things like this too.
I but I guess I should say, being raised by gays, I immediately became gay because of the gay agenda.</satire>
[–]Enohp119 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
My dad was a meth dealer
I was hoping this was going to be a breaking bad comment.
[–]jlmorris 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I didn't even realize it was a gay couple! Now the image makes sense, thanks!
[–]dmbrown41 73 points74 points75 points 8 months ago
i keep getting downvoted, yet this comparison is incredibly insulting to the couples who have tried for years to petition for adoption and have been unsuccessful
but i guess its more important to make a oversimplified example to fit the subreddit's narrative
[–]seiyonoryuu 74 points75 points76 points 8 months ago
id disagree. that's really not the point here, nor is it even adressed. certainly there are people capable to adopt who are denied, but this is about singling out an entire group, on a macro level, not micro level injustices. its a different subject entirely
i will agree with naich, it is a bit insulting to the adoption service.
[–]discofried 18 points19 points20 points 8 months ago
I am adopted and my parents own an adoption agency in California and this is insulting to me as well. :( It is not true that horrible people are allowed to adopt children while the LBGT community cannot. Adoption facilitators, like my adoptive parents, work very hard to find great parents. My parents do not discriminate in any way, yet is the state law that determines such things. But I can assure you no one is trying to approve an adoption into a horrible family.
[–]Rum_Pirate_SC 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
I'm adopted as well... and I could not have gotten better parents. I adore them and thank them for picking me to adopt. I was and still am loved by them, and raised up right.
I do get the meaning behind the picture, but it really does come off as a blanket statement. It is probably not the artist's intention, well almost for sure not the intent.
[–]afbaiuwe 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
Wow. I didn't even notice that the top picture was two men until you said something about it. Tolerance +5
[–]Mintas12 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Same, I thought it was because there was a cross in the bottom picture and not in the top. I thought it was to do with religion, not with them being two men. I had to look again to see that they were two guys.
[–]abacobeachbum 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
I believe that everyone is missing the point here. It's not literally two sides to an adoption. The approved part of this graphic has to do with the sorry people out there who can have as many children as they want even though they are not suitable parents. The upper part of the graphic has to do with parts of the country who let their prejudice get in the way of gay couples who would make better parents than many messed up hetero couples.
[–]PathogenicBacterium 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Thank you. I was becoming upset because not many people here seem to understand that. It's not about singling people out or insulting them. I myself was adopted and love my parents dearly, but this is NOT meant to be insulting towards good adoptive parents. "The approved part of this graphic has to do with the sorry people out there who can have as many children as they want even though they are not suitable parents." THIS is precisely what it means.
[–]seiyonoryuu 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
... fair enough. but the main point still stands
i mean, its not so much a statement about the adoption service as it is a statement about the politics. i think it would be fixed if they took out the pice of paper from the adoption service in the bottom pannel and left it simply as awful (biological) parents
[–]discofried 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
I agree with you on the part that if you take out the adoption request form in the lower frame. With my families adoption agency being run out of California, we are more than open to LGBT adoptions and have already completed more than a few. The real problem is that when children are stuck in Biological homes and Child Protective Services puts reunification above all things.
EDIT:Here is my family's website. My mom blogs about a lot of adoption issues if anyone is interested.
[–]PirateKingYackul 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's why I like being a pirate. Unfair state law? Ignore it.
[–]YvesSch 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Are there any states that do allow homosexual couples to adopt? Or is this only an issue with those in the adoption service? Sorry for being uninformed on the subject...
[–]profesh_lurker 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Looks like 46 do, and 4 expressly don't. http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayparentingadoption/a/gaycoupleadopt.htm
[–]Sarcasm_Llama 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
They might legally, but I bet there's still some agencies that "accidentally lose" the gay couple's application for just that reason. Therein lies the overall message I took from the illustration.
[–]dmbrown41 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
is the point then that as long as you are religious you will be able to adopt, even if you are child beating alcoholics? because that's what it seems to say, and that would be insulting to both the agencies and people who try to adopt and can't
[–]seiyonoryuu 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
umm... no. i said in one comment it would be fixed if they removed the piece of paper from the bottom panel, that is, dont make a statement about the adoption service being f--ed up. the point is that there are awful parents, biological perhaps, who are allowed to raise kids, but in a number of states its illegal for gay people to adopt because we're supposedly incapable
[–]naich 31 points32 points33 points 8 months ago
It's also fairly insulting to the adoption service, suggesting that they don't do any checks other than they the adopters are hetero.
[–]newbride2011 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
This is what I find disappointing. Due to the intense regulation and immense barriers to adopt within the United States it is incredibly hard for anyone to adopt. I knew a homosexual couple that worked with an agency that specialized in adoption among homosexual couples and they waited 3 years to adopt their 2 beautiful kids, but I have also heard stories of people in certain states waiting up to 8 years to adopt. Yes, this might be due to wanting to adopt infants or something, but when compared to the approval (and check up) process for foster parents it is appalling.
[–]CantLookHimInTheEyeQ 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Foster care, on the other hand. . .
[–]newbride2011 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Yup yup. I grew up in some bad neighborhoods and there were a few foster families there growing up....it was REALLY bad. It makes me sick how some children are so abused time and again. My husband and I (facing probably infertility) are most likely going to try to be foster parents when we are able. We want to try to help at least one kid have a good chance at a normal life, and a lot of foster children don't get that. These kids get stuck with terrible, uneducated, abusive people (not always but I have personally seen it happen) and I would not be able to have the ability (financially, socially, room-wise) to care for someone and still not do it.
[–]aveeight 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Aaaand at first I didn't realize they were a gay couple.
[–]Therealaerv 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
I did the same thing, when someone mentioned it, I had to go back and look again. My first read through thought it was just a non-overtly religious couple vs. religious family.
[–]virtyy 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
why is the couple unfit according to them?
[–]X81 26 points27 points28 points 8 months ago*
It's a gay couple in the top image. The cross on the kitchen wall of the bottom image was a nice touch too.
[–]virtyy 45 points46 points47 points 8 months ago
Oh I didnt notice it were 2 guys
[–]zubrin 36 points37 points38 points 8 months ago
Good. That should be the case.
[–]brandino857 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
Except it shouldn't, the artist should want the audience to realize it's 2 guys, so he can get his point across. At first glance, I thought it was a man and a woman, not a gay couple.
[–]OutlawGrrl 25 points26 points27 points 8 months ago
Should have used this couple.
[–]curvy_lady_92 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
One of my absolute favorite pictures in the world.
[–]WeaponsHot 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
You missed the point. He meant that should be the case in society, that adoption agencies (government) shouldn't care it's two men or two women.
[–]Cat_H3rder 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
I understand the point of saying it should be the case, but this image confused the heck out of me too. I assumed it was because one house was Christian until someone pointed out they were both men. I assumed it was a woman crying.
[–]3k3k 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I thought it was actually the same couple, before and after adoption, after several applications, man is much older and woman was much older, then I saw the cross and I was like "oh fuck, more hate".
Had been wondering if it was a statement against having kids or somethin'
[–]Katsime 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
It's okay, I thought it was a man and a woman too.
[–]ProbablyNotCanadian 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Woah. I thought it was the same man and woman in each panel with the top panel being the outcome if they hadn't been accepted and the bottom panel the outcome if they had. As if adopting would ruin their lives. I was thinking it was some sort of anti-children comic.
[–]StrangeAeons 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
My ex was adopted from India. Her parents had to sign paperwork saying they were christans before the orphanage would allow them to adopt her. I'm from Denmark so requiring religion for anything is really unheard of.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
It would have been far more realistic to have the lower panel as either a foster family or just a natural family. The implied message is still that the US trusts the lower panel's family raising capabilities more because there's a mother, a father and a cross. I've known enough "families" like the lower panel to think it's a shame that a license isn't required to have kids.
[–]mecrosis 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
My wife and I have struggled with infertility for years and are currently waiting for a match for adoption. I agree completely, if they required people to go through at least a home inspection before they were allowed to have children, the world would be a much better place.
[–]beeeen 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Of course this is just the other side of the same coin, no? Someone else's opinion influences the lives of others?
[–]mecrosis 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Except since its my opinion its correct.
[–]filletsack 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
/r/atheism: It's either black or white. ™
[–]ObviouslyAltAccount 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
You're either with us or against us.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The difficult part about this subreddit is that people like to classify all sorts of things about someone who is an atheist, when being an atheist is really a tiny part of who they are as a person...
[–]PFCDoofles 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I think, honestly, that the artist is confusing the adoption process with the foster process.
The foster system is often abused, when foster families get tax credits and welfare for taking in children without families. Sometimes these kids are given the bare minimum, maybe less, but anytime the system checks up on them, they seem fine because they've been threatened into silence.
It seems dramatic, but it does happen.
[–]HerrBongwasser 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
clearly.
[–]dmbrown41 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago*
this is not true, but that's ok
edit: i keep getting downvoted, yet this comparison is incredibly insulting to the couples who have tried for years to petition for adoption and have been unsuccessful
[–]slumsquirrel 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
No you're right and unfortunately you've been downvoted. The adoption process is much more rigorous than people seem to think. There's absolutely no way that the bottom family, already with 3 kids, would be able to adopt especially given their income. Sigh When will /r/atheism stop being as bad as Christians when it comes to this war on religion?
[–]TheMarshma 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's false. I had a really poor person living across of me when I was little who had like 8 foster children, and they were very poor. Pretty sure they lived completely off the system and didn't even work. but she might have worked, so I shouldnt' say that for sure. Maybe adoption of new babies is harder than adoption of the older ones who people generally want a little less because of the problems they might already have? Idk how it all works. but they definitely had a lot of kids.
[–]3k3k 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Fostering is different from adoption. People use it as a source of income because you get like a decent amount of money a year per kid or something from the government. You get nothing for adoption.
[–]slumsquirrel 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Right. Also considering that fostering is not set in stone, adoption is permanent. Also I think one can only foster when kids are older? Not too clear on this.
[–]3k3k 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago*
I'm not sure about that myself. My aunt, she takes the hardest of the hard kids to deal with, she talks about it sometimes. She's adopted 3 of them :) They've all been older kids(5yrs plus). She has so much patience. She's a single mother too.
In that case, are gays and lesbians allowed to foster? But thanks for setting me straight.
[–]3k3k 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I don't know. I wonder about that too. I'm guessing it's probably different from state to state.
[–]gatorpower 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
If experience has taught me anything on reddit, it's this: a lot of people who frequent reddit are simpletons fixed on their own emotional catharsis. Don't pay attention to the down votes. Your comment is absolutely correct, though, more importantly, not deserving of a down vote as it violates no rules and actually adds to the discussion.
Sometimes the voting thing works and I appreciate seeing great comment on the top as a result, but a lot of the time, it causes unnecessary anxiety because a bunch of idiots want to flex their epeen.
[–]toadwarrior 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
So you're telling me that even normal hetero people who get turned down for adoption need to become raging violent drunks who will even yell at their kids while on the phone because there is no way the adoption agency (or anyone else) would pick up on this and do something about it?
That makes sense.
[–]Goodtimee -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 months ago*
It's true that straight couples are generally scummier that gay couples? I mean hey, I'm all for gay rights etc, but I think this is a poor stereotype.
EDIT I have recognised the true message of this comic now so thanks for your feedback, but no more is longer needed :)
[–]OmegaArcadia 14 points15 points16 points 8 months ago
It's not a stereotype. You kind of missed the point.
It's illustrating the fact that morality isn't the issue at play when determining who can and can't have children. A extremist may often argue that gay couples are "immoral" and therefore can't have children. For many adoption agencies, being Christian is also a requirement.
Again, there is no stereotype. This comic parallels the problem that a good, loving gay couple can't get a baby, but a Christian family that raises its children poorly is allowed to adopt.
[–]Goodtimee 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
It seems like I approached the analogy of this in a different way. I do see, and agree, with your view !
[–]CinemaDrAJ 16 points17 points18 points 8 months ago
It's not stereotyping straight couples, its making the point that if two couples- one perfectly fit gay couple and one horribly unfit straight couple- wish to adopt a child, that terrible family gets it legally simply because they're heterosexual. Which is horse shit.
Wonderful comic
[–]setrakakan 35 points36 points37 points 8 months ago
As a gay who wants to adopt some day, I still feel this image is offensive. The people in the bottom feel like some sort of strawman family, and while I realize there are cases where parents abuse adopted children, they do background checks and the like before adopting. Even then, the family on the bottom doesn't even look like they'd want to adopt.
Get rid of the second panel and it tells a saddening tale, it really doesn't need to be there.
[–]Epicman -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
Oh how naive you are if you think the bottom panel is not true.
Not wanting kids and not wanting to foster are not the same thing,
With fostering not only comes kids, but a nice check.
[–]discofried 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
How naive are you to think that the bottom panel as a blanket statement is true? The check for fostering a child is miniscule and only a very few people do it for the money. There are countless families out there that have fostered children and have done a wonderful job at it that have allowed adequate time for the child to find a permanent home.
[–]Turin082 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It doesn't have to be a blanket statement. Even if there is only one case where it's true, it's too much. I can literally name a case off the top of my head, and people in the healthcare industry admit that it's a problem. There is an actual institutionalized acceptance of children being adopted simply for monetary or some other legal gain, while at the same time a blanket denial of adoptions to healthy and stable homosexual families. Both panels depict actual problems within the foster care system. They are certainly enough individually to damn this particular aspect of society, but together they point to an even deeper problem ingrained in our culture. For the sake of hatred and dogmatic belief, the letter of the law begins to trump the spirit of the law, and truly evil deeds are promoted over mutual care and respect for our fellow man.
[–]torop 33 points34 points35 points 8 months ago
So why was this posted to r/athesim?
[–]singlerainbow 19 points20 points21 points 8 months ago
Because the anti-gay movement is entirely christian.
[–]dustlesswalnut[] 29 points30 points31 points 8 months ago
Largely, yes, but not entirely. There are many Jews, Muslims, and Atheist bigots that are anti-gay as well.
[–]Railboy 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
In my experience, anti-gay bigots whose beliefs aren't backed by religion tend to keep a lid on their bigotry. Bigots who are backed by their church and community will say it out loud and act on it without a second thought. The people you see writing up initiatives / on the news / in court always, always make arguments that are ultimately based on religious beliefs. That's why they can't get any real traction.
[–]Lord_Vectron 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
My dad is a (Far too fucking) openly racist atheist. He's convinced himself that the British government give all his tax money to immigrants and all white people get nothing. He used to hate immigrants because of this but over the years I've managed to direct that hatred towards the government, with the immigrants as the pawns. This was the best i could do. I've tried facts. They're ineffective. (So kiiinda religious?)
*By open i mean he'll talk about it proudly with friends and family, all of whom will just sigh in disgust, which he doesn't seem to take notice of. He's never actually been offensive to someone to their face. Please don't spam me with 'ur dad is a fagot fuk u', internet.
[–]Railboy 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's too bad. Atheism is obviously no guarantee of someone being a decent human being.
[–]digitsman 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
This post made me realize that the first picture was actually of gay men... Know i feel like an idiot for not realizing
[–]Jerzeem 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
While it is possible to hold anti-gay sentiment without a religion, you must be selfish to do so. For example, "I don't want homosexuals to be able to get married, because then they would get a tax-break, which would make MY taxes go up!"
Holding anti-gay sentiments with a religion allows you to think you are being selfless while doing so. "I don't want them to go to hell for being gay, so I want to enact legislation that makes their lives more difficult. If their lives are difficult enough, they'll stop being gay and get to go to Heaven!"
[–]LunarMist2 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I take very much offense to this, as would many other Christians. There are many Atheists, Jews, Buddhists, ... whom I know that are anti-gay.
And don't you dare put me in the same category as those who are anti-gay.
[–]Krylancello 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
He was being sarcastic. his post was a criticism of /r/atheism.
lol, no wonder this board gets some much shit.
[–]sorenk99 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Notice the small cross in the background of the bottom picture? Ipso fatso: r/atheism.
[–]thosethatwere 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Do you mean ipso facto? Sorry if this was meant to be a joke, but I don't understand.
Yeah I took a good joke from the Simpsons and made a bad one.
[–]twentyone_21 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
anything generalizing christians in a negative light is most likely from r/atheism.
[–]aVictorianGentleman 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
In the bottom example, there is a cross plainly visible on the wall.
[–]ice_cream_num_nums 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Initial reaction: The dog died
[–]3k3k -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
There's a tiny cross in the bottom panel. It's for bolstering the idea that atheists are victims and Christians aren't, which they are in this case, but then it paints an ugly picture of the christian couple, so really, it's just an "i'm better than you" fap.
[–]torop 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
yea its kinda funny how this logic applies to so much of what atheists talk about; its really easy for them to look smart since everything they believe in lies solely on logic.
[–]3k3k 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Too bad logic doesn't always equate to being smart.
[–]Aedan91 -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 months ago*
Thank you. This place has become so corrupt it sickens me. Everything that can be related, even hardly, with Christianity ends up here. It looks like we are in /r/Christianity.
singlerainbow's comment is precisely what I mean, when these asshole, inaccurate and hateful comments became the norm here?
How much of the 530 thousand subscribers are twelve fucking year-old who just want to be in the latest fad?
[–]DangerToDangers 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
But the anti-gay movement is mostly Theist. It's the religious people who preach against gay marriage and who are intolerant against them because to them it's a sin.
Sure, there are atheist bigots just like there are Christian non-bigots, but the truth is that the more religious a person is the more intolerant they will be to the LGBT group.
[–]classhero 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Are you fucking kidding? The new "fad" on reddit is to spam about how "r/atheism's leaking out" just because an article has a bit of math in it.
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[–]kissfan7 42 points43 points44 points 8 months ago*
Adult babies are allowed to adopt?
I know couples who have adopted and my boyfriend and I are going to adopt too (though it might be more of a problem if we move back to my home state of Ohio). I can tell you that there's no way the home on the bottom could ever be allowed to adopt a kid. I know cartoons exaggerate for effect, but even given that, the panel on the bottom is over-the-top.
[–]OutlawGrrl 50 points51 points52 points 8 months ago
There was a story on Reddit a few months ago about a religious couple who adopted a bunch of kids, disciplined them excessively and even beat one of them to death. I'm not saying that this kind of thing is common but it's certainly not impossible.
[–]camelFace 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
I've known several people that have experienced the foster system and it's quite a crap-shoot. Some had a great experience, others...not so much.
[–]dustlesswalnut[] 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Fostering != adoption
[–]wildebeest11 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
link?
[–]OutlawGrrl 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Ask and you shall receive.
they only got 22 years for that? that son of a bitch deserves life.
[–]FluoCantus 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I remember that. Such a sad story. From what I remember they weren't even punished?
You sure they weren't foster kids? Were they adopted fully?
[–]DerpMatt 21 points22 points23 points 8 months ago
Some places do not let you adopt unless you are a strict Christian. The kids are adopted into abusive homes, where they are forced to go to church, follow scriptures or be punished
[–]gomezea 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
That exact thing happened to this kid in my old neighborhood. I didn't even know we had a foster home around there until I met that kid. He was forced to go to the local church, or he wasn't allowed to do anything that week. I thought that was just ridiculous.
[–]timothyjwood 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Source?
[–]aeren944 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That's not abusive... I force my kids to go to school, do their homework and their chores, or be punished... and my kids are 8 and 4. Just cuz they're forced to do something that sucks and is boring doesn't mean they live in an abusive home.
[–]DerpMatt 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
School is not church. Yes it is abusive, and it is very damaging to the child. Didnt say your prayers? Well, no TV for a week. shit like that.
Religion needs to be completely removed from adoption and foster care, as it is very dangerous to children.
[–]aeren944 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Except "damaging to the child" is entirely subjective. If you posted that same thing to a Christian subreddit, you'd get a different response.
[–]DerpMatt 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Religion is damaging. The kids are forced to go to church and follow the dogma. They are sometimes homeschooled, and never given a full real education.
[–]Krylancello 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
I think the artist should have just left the adoption papers off of the bottom panel completely. It still proves makes the point, without the insult to all adoption agencies.
I don't know the context of the cartoon, but I could see it being pointed at a specific agency or actual event as well.
[–]TheMcG 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
i don't know how true this is but i have heard adopting in the usa is actually quite hard. Any truth to this?
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 months ago
No idea. They frown upon adoption for the purpose of consumption, so I haven't really looked into it.
[–]13853211 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
I'm Irish, and I always thought A Modest Proposal was right on.
[–]SkyGodPathos 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
kudos for making that connection hahahaha! I remember reading this satire back in highschool
[–]kissfan7 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Very, very hard. It's easier to be a foster parent (someone who provides a temporary home for kids), but full on adoption is mind-numbing. There's a lot o paper work, background checks, and surprise visits. Adopting for non-religious parents has another hurdle because some agencies refuse to adopt outside of their faith and, if the kid was raised in one faith, the parents are encouraged to take them to the house of worship of that faith (as well they should, in my opinion, as it eases the trauma if the kid's life changes as little as possible.)
[–]SailorRipley 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
I can concur, we adopted our son and the amount of paperwork and visits are incredible. We had in-home visits both before and after we adopted. I know it's not a perfect system but it is pretty thorough. I could see the bottom panel being more accurate of foster parents than of adopted parents.
[–]VTJP 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I think it takes a real long time and tons and tons of paperwork. My white aunt and uncle adopted an young black baby whose mother was a crack addict. I don't think they are too religious but i think it was alot of work to get it done.
It is very difficult. Not only that but it is very expensive.
[–]Carett 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
What are you talking about? The only thing wrong in the bottom picture is the cigarette. Everything else "wrong" about the bottom picture is really just a bunch of things that identify the people as lower-class, such as their weight, dress, and visible religious decorations. Homophobia sucks but so does classism, which this image uses freely to make its point, and which you appear to have swallowed fully.
[–]SuperDestructo 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
Being poor doesn't give you license to be a slob.
[–]unheimlich 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
What? You really don't think cleanliness is important for children?
[–]OtherSideReflections 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
The dad in the background appears to be mistreating his child, there's trash and empty beer cans strewn about, and the mom is smoking while doing nothing to restrain her son, who's trying to stab his sister with a fork. It has nothing to do with classism; they're clearly bad parents.
[–]Light-of-Aiur 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I don't know how you got that from the picture. The top couple is quite obviously a gay couple.
[–]kissfan7 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
On the bottom panel, the man looks like a large baby. I was trying - not very well, obviously - to make a joke.
[–]Light-of-Aiur 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Oh! XD
Looking back at what was written, I realize that I misread both your post and my quote of your post. I feel like such a noob...
My bad.
[–]williamsunshine 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
So is the one up top- look at their outfits...
[–]Subterfuger 43 points44 points45 points 8 months ago
it may be a repost but you still have my axe.
[–]SkaveRat 23 points24 points25 points 8 months ago
mine aswell
[–]SaintPwner 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
called lynxa in europe.
http://images.chemistdirect.co.uk/images/productimages/large/lynx_recover_deodorant_body_spray_11364.jpg
[–]DangerToDangers 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
In France they have both Lynx and Axe.
[–]Alex-the-3217th 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
That's because it was originally made in France as AXE, however in the UK and Ireland the name had trademark problems so they changed it to LYNX, and because France is pretty much the UKs entrance to the rest of Europe the products mixed.
In the end it doesn't matter because it stinks just as bad with either name.
[–]SkaveRat 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
not here in germany
[–]Fretnix 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
.. nor Sweden.
[–]StrangeAeons 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
nor Denmark :)
[–]conejoncho 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
... nor Argentina.
[–]Anaklusmos 26 points27 points28 points 8 months ago
TIL Argentina is in Europe
[–]conejoncho 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
ssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[–]Gambinotot 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Don't worry, I think he's new here...
[–]aVictorianGentleman 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
And in Australia.
[–]NightHawk929 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
and my vuvuzela!
[–]kombak 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
... and my bow.
[–]dirtyliberals 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Why yes it is a repost, and a poor one at that.
This is disgusting. I feel like frowning at the author.
[–]Sworderailer 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Ooooooooooooh, its two dudes, I get it, at first I was like "what? ok..."
[–]Sworderailer 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
like i thought it was a dude and a lady.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Just look at those disgusting fat child-abusing breeders and the poor noble oppressed and unusually-straight acting gays.
[–]curvy_lady_92 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I'm going to assume this post was made satirically, I just wanted to point out that I don't think the bottom couple are "breeders"- there is an adoption paper that says "approved" on the bottom, which I missed at first.
[–]TheGood 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
So brave.
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[–]heyitsguay 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
This is cute and all, but let's call a spade a spade - this is propaganda. Just because pro-lgbt adoption is the "just" side of this issue to be on, doesn't mean we should allow ourselves to fall into the same traps as every other ideological movement.
[–]Krylancello 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
I would say it's not propaganda, but rather a political cartoon. It's making a point in an over-the-top fashion. What you said should be self-evident. The fact that you have to remind people of this (which, by reading the comments, you do) kind of makes me sad.
[–]andrepd 10 points11 points12 points 8 months ago
Repost. Not a problem.
[–]StrangeRover 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Why should Mr. Incredible be allowed to adopt a child with a woman who is obviously not his wife?
[–]Demzom 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Why would a pour family with already 3 children want a 4th one?
[–]Yourothercat 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
They're planning on pouring them down the drain
[–]erock238 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Grossly over simplified and generalized.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Lesson: poor and fat people are bad.
[–]TheLordOfTheFryer 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
As fucked up as it is it is true.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
As a Catholic, the fact that this happens in the real world is disgusting.
[–]Almondcoconuts 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The opposite happens too.
The opposite of what?
I think it would be a lot easier to make that claim if gay couples were allowed to adopt children in the first place...
uhhh....they can.....except for Florida and Missouri.
[–]UpDown 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This has absolutely nothing to do with atheism.
[–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
It is. And it will be again. It's the circle of Reddit.
[–]Shangheli 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
What 3rd world country is this set in? Because they would never be able to adopt, nor are they the type of people to even want to adopt.
[–]VickysAsleep 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That top image is so sad :(
[–]Cis4Psycho 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Was i the only one playing "Where's Waldo" but looking for a Crucifix for the bottom picture? Took me a bit i admit but found it in the end
[–]piepsam 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The family below would never approved to adopt.
[–]JoePurdy 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This isn't true at all... most adoptive families are very well off and go through a very stringent process to get children. Foster homes can be more suspect but all of the agencies in my area are really, really good. This stuff is bullshit and misleads people to how it really is.
[–]Trikester 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I like when someone says "I hope this is not a repost" it almost always is
[–]IwantYourDollar 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Has it been on the internet for more than an hour?
It's a repost.
[–]Help_I_Lost_my_face 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Yep. Repost. Still upvote it.
[–]ArtistOfTheBadass 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
[–]reagan2016 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This is stupid.
edit: I just noticed this is in /r/atheism
[–]ramate 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It's reposted on a biweekly basis, if that.
[–]CuteNerdyBean23 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Sad but true.
[–]You_Know_My_Name 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Why does everyone think this is about gay adoption? What did I miss? That looks like a woman in the top panel to me...
[–]Sheldy13 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I did not understand this cartoon until I looked at the comments and realized it was a gay couple in the to frame. It's like my brain did not even identify that it was two men. I was just seeing 2 loving well put together people in the first frame that looked more natural than the people in the 2nd.
[–]bukelley 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Fuck this.
[–]stainonmyshirt 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I'm adopted as well and I do believe that most kids that are adopted are taken into better situations then they would have been otherwise. The real issue here is how many kids go into the foster care system without ever really getting a real home, which is only increased through discrimination. This is probably especially true in the regions with less sexual education and thus more teen pregnancies which lead to more kids in shitty situations.
[–]ucofresh 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Def okay! Saw it a few months ago and posted it to fb. So many people loved it.
[–]yabaininja 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
TIL that all heterosexual people who adopt are alcoholic, fundamentalist, neglectful, and pedophiles.
[–]tr3xkuro 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
So sad that a single man can't adopt a baby just because he's living with his best friend and some family gets the child just because they have a neat television.
[–]allenizabeth 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The people in the lower panel would never get approved for adoption., but they would for foster care.
[–]makemejelly49 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This is a repost, but I'm okay with this one.
[–]Denommus 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Wow, another brazilian redditor! How are you?
[–]Greenei 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It is: http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/mna4s/homoadoption/
It was my first Linksubmission and brought me tons of karma.
Cool story bro
[–]TheOnlyAshta -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
It is, but I've been looking for it for a few months now and haven't been able to find it, so thank you!
[–]Hootietang 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
the white trash family has a bigger tv for sure! lol .... and all the channels. Something I've learnt over the years.
How do relevant statements get down voted? Im sure whoever downvoted this is well accustomed to white trash living. I have them in my family! Its more true than you can imagine! At least in Canada where the system takes care of you more, the less you try.
The examples are strawmen, but the point is valid.
[–]vondutch748 -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 months ago*
this is plain prejudice bias whatever bs. down vote me all you want but this is just not right, fuck this image and fuck r/atheism for acting same way as those you apparently hate. just look at the image one more time. so there are no abusive atheists in this world?
[–]Vneck 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
This isn't about atheists, this is about gay couples not being able to adopt... Did you even notice that the top couple is gay?
[–]vondutch748 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
oh snap.
T_T
[–]FluoCantus -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
How the hell does /r/atheism act the same way as "those we apparently hate"? This is a FORUM FOR ATHEISM, i.e. post atheist/agnostic/religious related stuff in here. People in /r/Christianity post Christian stuff in their subreddit.
What is so wrong about this? If you don't like it, leave.
[–]susan2hearts -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
Seeing this. My heart just broke.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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