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What is wrong with inciting intense dislike of a religion... (i.imgur.com)
submitted 5 months ago by [deleted]
[–]MegaZeusThor 78 points79 points80 points 5 months ago
Rowan, from the 90's. Good stuff.
Devil.
Amazing Jesus.
[–]Berserkenstein 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
Rowan Atkinson will always be "The Black Adder" to me.
[–][deleted] 5 months ago
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[–]makattak88 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
He's one of the best.
[–]ben9345 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
"...and they knew not......hhhhh-whence it had come"
[–]xikir 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I have that one on DVD, but not in this house. Now I'm sad.
[–]DaveFishBulb 15 points16 points17 points 5 months ago
Didn't think it was possible for me to like this guy even more.
"My name is Edmund Blackadder, and I'm the new Minister in charge of religious genocide"
Kills me every time.
[–]Abedeus 38 points39 points40 points 5 months ago
TIL his best man at his wedding was his friend Stephen Fry, with whom he spoke against hatred against homosexuals and religions in UK. Anyone knows if he's actually an atheist? I mean it's probable, since it's UK...
[–]TenshiS 29 points30 points31 points 5 months ago
It's more probable he's agnostic. But he's almost certainly a decent human being, so why put him in a box? He might as well be muslim or catholic, as far as I'm concerned.
[–]stoicme 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
given that quote, I find it highly unlikely that he's muslim or catholic.
[–]3206 39 points40 points41 points 5 months ago
Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.
[–]Abedeus 13 points14 points15 points 5 months ago
Well, I just noticed that a lot of British people that make me laugh and smile are atheists. Pratchett, Fry, Dawkins, the guy who played Harry Potter, Matt Smith and I think David Tennant is agnostic.
[–]ApologiesForThisPost 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
the guy who played Harry Potter
Daniel Radcliffe
[–]Dream_the_Unpossible 13 points14 points15 points 5 months ago
No, I think you meant Harry Potter.
[–]Turbomullet 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
If anything it is my geuss that Potter is a Pagan. I cant imagine there is much room for a monotheistic God in a life that revolves around mastering acient spells and fighting giant snakes and other mythical creatures. I could be wrong.
[–]ok_you_win 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I was always amused that the school celebrated Christmas(but in a totally secular sense) and Halloween but never a mention of Easter. They didnt even get an easter/spring break from school.
That being said, I am only half way through The Order of the Phoenix, but the trend seems set.
[–]corcyra 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Yes, that's because there are probably more of them who admit it here per capita than in the U.S. , perhaps because if they say they are, they don't get grief.
[–]jdpwnsyou 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
Being agnostic isn't a middle ground between atheism and theism, although that is a common misconception. Read and learn
[–]Krystie 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
What if I understand most of modern scientific theory, understand that a paternal/spiritual/personal god is illogical and non-existent; but stopped thinking about these things for the last few years, and never bother to assert my views or not care to change other religious plebs ?
I also understand that most religions are nothing more than fairy tales to indoctrinate the low IQ drones that fill up the planet ?
Do I count as an atheist or an agnostic ?
[–]_pupil_ 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Do you possess a positive belief in a deity? Theist, else atheist.
Do you possess a positive belief that deities are "knowable" and can be proven to exist like, say, a hamburger can? Gnostic, else agnostic.
They're "both, and" concepts, not "either, or" ;)
From your description yo sound like an agnostic atheist (like most atheists), though you might be a hardliner (or physicist), who asserts that if God were to have influence on this spacetime that it would have to operate through provable principle and measurable force and therefore be "knowable" and claim that you're a gnostic atheist... they're a rarer breed though.
[–]Krystie 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
nah i don't believe in any deity and since they don't exist they have to be proven like a hamburger yea.
not a hardliner, comp sci person not physicist.
god doesn't exist so affecting space-time doesn't make sense not sure what the rest of that meant really.
[–]BaconBrain 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Perhaps interestingly, CS made me an atheist.
... training in logic will do that to people :)
[–]_pupil_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I just meant that there are those (a small minority), who would insist that if God wants to do something then God has to use forces that exist and are measurable, and would therefore have to be provable (one way or the other). Those types tend to be reallllllly religious, or know enough physics that any other conceptualization of God is somewhat offensive to their sensibilities.
Personally, as another CS person, I broadly fall into the Agnostic Atheist group because (empirically), most claims about "god" are very nebulous so they're hard to prove/disprove. "God exists outside our time" and other nonsense... When it comes to specific gods though, I trend Gnostic, as the more claims someone is making the more of them that are falsifiable.
Basically, I can't prove that there are no horses with forehead horns in the world, but I'm pretty confident that my neighbors pony with a glued-on narwal horn is just a pony and he's a liar ;)
[–]wubblewobble 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
Most atheists are agnostic.
[–]thesorrow312 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
He's an agnostic atheist anti theist. Watch the debate in which he and Hitchens teamed up.
He's an atheist. He and Christopher "Lord of the Hitchslap" Hitchens had a debate together, against two theists, and destroyed. Look it up on youtube.
[–]DepressedRacoon 105 points106 points107 points 5 months ago
Wibble wibble wibble wibble.
[–]civilengineer 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
The r/atheism strategy to victory seems to be to point out the harm. The principle at work here is that nobody wants to be perceived by the comunity as the bad guy so over time they change. Keep pointing it out.
[–]wayndom 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
Is THAT why the Catholic church has completely cleaned up their act???
[–]DepressedRacoon 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Wibble.
[–]civilengineer 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
respect me
[–]Lolworth 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
"Bob"?
[–]buncle 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
mbOb.
[–]ThatStranger 23 points24 points25 points 5 months ago
YOU sir, get an upvote... for a) making a more convincing argument than a lot of fundies I've dealt with, and b) quoting Blackadder.
Good show.
[–]-Slunk 86 points87 points88 points 5 months ago
This guy can talk? o0
[–]BlackKn1ght 74 points75 points76 points 5 months ago
You should watch Blackadder, totally worth it!
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 5 months ago*
On how WWI started; Baldrick: I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.
Edit: ww1, not ww2..
"You mean when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot?"
[–]Scary_ 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
World War 1, not 2 of course
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Duh, yes! Franz Ferdinand 1914...sorry brain fart :-/
[–]JosephBloggs 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
So was crappy cyanide. Suicide? NOPE!
[–]BlackKn1ght 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
That was pure comedic gold!
Baldrick is hilarious! In that episode, Hugh Lurie was in it too :)
[–]triffid_boy 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Hugh Laurie is in most of that series!
(Season if you're American)
[–]TheNecromancer 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
most all
FTFY
[–]wayndom 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Absolutely! Blackadder RULES! In every era!
[–]hammar 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Also, he had some good sketches on Not the Nine o' Clock News, like this one which is still quite relevant: Are You A Gay Christian?
[–]proff_frink 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
But not series 1 or you'll never want to see it again.
[–]BlackKn1ght 15 points16 points17 points 5 months ago
the first series wasn't bad, just different from the other ones (although it was kinda confusing seeing Baldrick become stupid in Blackadder II)
[–]remlap 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
There's an even earlier pilot with Blackadder as a Prince he's basically as cunning as Series 2 Blackadder.
[–]wayndom 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
That was Baldrick's progeny.
[–]cosworth99 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
"EDNA! Fight you with us on the 'morrow?!"
"Oh dear, Richard The Third..."
Please tell me you are joking. Series one was brilliant.
[–]1Avion1 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
The creators themselves disliked it. In their own words, it "looked a million dollars but cost a million pounds".
[–]DaveFishBulb 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Series one is excellent because Brian Blessed.
[–]EightBitRemix 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Relevent
[–]dead-yossarian 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
series 4 is the best and yes that is house in it.
[–]alexgbelov 11 points12 points13 points 5 months ago
Bah. Series 3 is clearly better, and it also has House in it.
[–]Strmtrper6 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
Agreed as a whole, but the last episode of goes forth was amazing.
[–]alexgbelov 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
That is true. I think the fact that it was so unexpected, given the comedic nature of the series, is what made it so powerful.
[–]salamander1305 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
I shivered remembering that last episode...
[–]Strmtrper6 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I know that feel bro.
[–]wayndom 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Series 1 was great for all us olde fartes (64 here) who grew up watching Richard Greene in the Brit-produced, "Adventures of Robin Hood."
[–]LFKhael 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
He's Zazu from The Lion King.
[–]webby_mc_webberson 21 points22 points23 points 5 months ago
Similar to this is Sam Harris on the fallacy of believing it isn't right to question peoples beliefs.
[–]OhSeven 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I like hearing him speak
[–]nucking 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Agreed, there's a pretty effing awesome Audiobook of his book "The Moral Landscape" (by him). Really worth listening to.
[–]deanz113 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
Oh Rowan, You always know how to say it. Most of the time you say it all without saying anything.
[–]no_springs 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
In other news I just now realized that the guy from Blackadder is also Mr. Bean. I think I might be a little retarded.
[–]twist3d7 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
Nope, you're getting smarter by the minute.
[–]rushmc1 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
For all you Mr. Bean and Blackadder fans, I bring you...
The Thin Blue Line!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Blue_Line_%28TV_series%29
[–]Uranus_Hz 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
if you espouse ridiculous ideas, you open yourself up to ridicule.
[–]PSICOM 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Exactly, we give religion far too much unwarranted respect and immunity from criticism.
[–]bishopDredd 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Rowan I always knew you were a bad ass
[–]PwnBuddy 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Yay Mr. Bean!
[–]Incognitimus 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
"Intense Dislike"
It's a very British phrase, no?
[–]Quis_Custodiet 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago*
I get the feeling that Rowan shares my view that hate is reserved for very special circumstances.
[–]the_walrus_was_ringo 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Hate is defined as an intense dislike.
[–]Quis_Custodiet 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
I intensely dislike the concept of faith schools, but I wouldn't violently fight to see it stopped.
I hate the idea of my country being a theocracy, and would go to war to prevent it.
[–]onelovelegend 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Hate transcends dislike, no matter how intense.
[–]Simcom 9 points10 points11 points 5 months ago
Mr. Bean! <3
[–]HoraceJacobi 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I don't see how that should change the character of a person. If they want a punishment/reward system (heaven/hell) as a guideline to good behavior then that's on them. If they want to believe that they go somewhere after death then they should be allowed to think so. I may be an Atheist but I see no reason to shove that in peoples faces and tell them they are wrong, because there is no proof that either of us is right. Religion can be used for great evil, but the majority do not seek to pervert it in such a way.
[–]betterthanthee 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
SO BRAVE
[–]dirk_anger 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I read that in Blackadders voice
[–]iamgreg 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
He is such a well spoken man, it's a shame he's typecast as Mr Bean (aside from a few other roles).
[–]GrammarOutlaw 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
amen
[–]Aory 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I KNEW I liked this guy for a reason.
[–]kmn_kmn 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I guess it depends on what your standard is for deciding whether a belief or practice is outrageous, irrational or abusive.
[–]azbeel 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I'm not an athiest. I just dont believe in God.
[–]oldmonkmgm 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Read this as Rowan Atkinson talking to "Bob"
[–]oldarmyag04 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The intense disdain for religion as told by the internet doesn't at all affect the good my faith does for me and my church does for our community and others. Your hate does not affect the good we do. Carry on. Haters gonna hate
[–]Neoinr 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
Haha the funny man said something. Say something else, funny man! :D
Seriously though, Rowan has a good point.
[–]popwarrior 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
What is wrong with it? It breeds Anti- sentiment, and it breeds hate, It stoops the atheist down to the level of the Christians, it makes them oppressive and intolerable.
No matter how outrageous, outlandish, and anti-science these theological teachings are, there must always be tolerance to some degree.
And this is why I highly dislike the Atheist subreddit. It's nothing but a war camp against religion. I'm not sure why I still get atheism on my front page, I un subscribed long ago.
[–]remillard 14 points15 points16 points 5 months ago
I believe being tolerant of something doesn't imply it should thusly be free of criticism and critical thinking. It just simply means it is permitted to exist.
[–]Nacimota 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
I think complete tolerance of all views "No matter how outrageous, outlandish, and anti-science" as you say they may be, can be condescending.
[–]HireALLTheThings 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
I strongly dislike the concept of tolerance. It basically means "You're wrong, but I allow you to do what you will anyway."
What SHOULD be preached is the concept of acceptance in "I know you and I don't believe the same thing, but I acknowledge your right to practice your beliefs so long as it doesn't interfere with mine or tread upon common decency."
[–]napoleonsolo 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The actual quote in the image is:
What is wrong with inciting intense dislike of a religion if the activities or teachings of that religion are so outrageous, irrational or abusive of human rights that they deserve to be intensely disliked
This is the quote that you dislike (you can scroll up and look at it again). I'm assuming you simply made a mistake in reading it, I don't understand how someone could suggest that there should be "tolerance" of such teachings "to some degree". I assume that's why you didn't put "abusive of human rights" in your list with "outrageous, outlandish, and anti-science".
Also assuming you simply skipped over that point, I don't really have to belabor the point that intensely disliking teachings that are abusive of human rights can in no way make a person oppressive and intolerable? That in fact it would do the opposite by definition?
[–]tyrghast 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
I loathe religion because of how it has been used as a tool in my family to oppress and brainwash. Maybe that's not fair to the nice religious people, but I don't care. Should I harbor grudges for thongs that happened years ago? No. Does knowing that make the pain of betrayal and deception go away? Nope.
[–]DickVonShit 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
That's kind of the point. He's saying some of these things are deserving of hate. Are you saying that we should accept all religions no matter how despicable they are? I suppose weekly human sacrifice would be alright as long as a religion called for it.
This doesn't mean religion should be eradicated, but we don't have to like it.
[–]popwarrior 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I've always lived with the non-aggression principle.
There will always be extremism in all walks of life.
Lead through example, and not by force.
Unless, of course, they try to use force on you.
[–]ashishduh 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Insulting something is not being intolerant of it, lmao.
Lemme guess, you think /r/atheism is "militant" too right?
[–]haterzgonehate 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
breeds Anti- sentiment, and it breeds hate, It stoops the atheist down to the level of the Christians, it makes them oppressive and intolerable.
Completely false; if you attempt to discuss anything rationally with 90% of this subreddit, and have some sort of proof for your claim we are going to listen to you. Christians and all types of theists use these false, over simplified belief systems which have constantly rescinded their outlandish claims (which should be proof in itself for how absolutely false the systems are, but I digress) to preach hate and intolerance. This is the key difference that all you pussy ass apologists always fail to take into account, and it makes me sick.
[–]anthrodocZ 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
The challenge that I see in this is that categories seem to be so binary in this setup. It is following a logical fallacy that seems to be saying "people have done some terrible things in the name of religion, therefore religion is terrible." By extension, it also seems to be suggesting that beacause someone rejects "religion," (i.e. they are atheist) they are better than those who don't. I've lived long enough to see some pretty incredibly, life-giving people, some who were atheist (or agnostic), and some who followed deeply some faith tradition or other. I have also seen people (and all readers here must have too) who have been pretty horrible, doing horrible things, who have been "religious," but also who have had no particular religious basis for their actions/lives. I've seen it debated on Reddit (and elsewhere) whether one can be good or ethical or just or moral...etc. if they are atheist (usually discussed as a rejoinder to people coming from a religious perspective, who might claim that it is not possible). Again.... you can find some of the best and worst of humanity motivated by one 'god' or another (defined as "on what do you center your life") Those who "believe in" a god no more have a corner on the market of human goodness (or badness) than those who do not hold such a belief.
[–]purplestgiraffe 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
You seem to be reading an awful lot into a very short quote. And the whole "hey, I believe in (religion) too, but I'm not a homophobe/racist/sexist/haterofwhatever" argument is really tired.
[–]anthrodocZ 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Not missing the point of the quote at all. In fact, a number of the replies to my original reflection on the quote seem to illustrate exactly the very tired, binary "religion=bad; atheism=good" rut this discussion enjoys on Reddit. Just one example of a comment already makes the point: "Some people are good, some are bad, regardless of religion, but "For good people to do evil, that takes religion" - Steven Weinberg"
It seems there are as many dogmatic people blindly proselytizing about atheism as about their particular religion. I originally hesitated posting my first reflection, thinking that I might only get some of the tired old rejoinders instead of thoughtful discussion. I guess I should have followed my instinct.
[–]stoicme 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
You seem to be missing the entire point of the quote.
It doesn't say (nor does it imply) that we should hate all religion. In addition, it doesn't say anything about the people of said religion. this isn't a stab at whether or not religious people can be moral despite being religious, or that atheists are somehow morally superior.
The point is to question why we shouldn't we try to get people to realize that a religion is fucked up, if the religion is "outrageous, irrational, or abusive of human rights..." (aka "fucked up").
And frankly, it's a good question. Why is it that we can't openly criticize certain aspects of a religion without someone calling out "hey, that's their religious beliefs. don't you have any sense of respect?". Personally, I HATE that the mormon church is so obscenely homophobic/misogynistic/(formerly) racist. But if I try bringing this up, I'm somehow the intolerant one?
This post has less to do with religious people or religions in general, and more to do with specific religions and religious beliefs that are completely ridiculous.
[–]ninjapro 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Some people are good, some are bad, regardless of religion, but "For good people to do evil, that takes religion" - Steven Weinberg
[–]lesslucid 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
...or nationalism or any other kind of group-ism.
[–]HowsItBeenBen 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago*
Because religions will justify anything to dislike another religion.
[–]dar0za 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
haha, i wondered why "RIP Rowan Atkinson" is trending on Twitter.
[–]Sneckster 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
haha just noticed that.
You can tell its a hoax though because if he did die then the whole universe would feel it... well he was The Doctor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM
[–]FCOS 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
TIL Mr. Bean's real name was Rowan Atkinson
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
You never stuck around for the credits, did you?
[–]FCOS 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
nah lol
[–]iamafermata 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
What's wrong with it, is you can't make a blanket statement about a religion and describe every individual way that religion is practiced. You really think you can sum up the "point" of Islam in a sentence? Five Muslim scholars would be hard pressed to agree on a single sentence describing Islam if they had a week. No matter what "problem" you're addressing in your "x religion sucks" statment, you're going to be wrong in the case of one person, or family, or church or subset within that religion, who practices it differently. Stereotyping is stereotyping, no matte what color you paint it.
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[–]CreamSteve 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
At first I was like "no that's not Mr Bean"... Then I was like "holy shit, that's Mr Bean!"
[–]TenshiS 13 points14 points15 points 5 months ago
This guy studied at Oxford. Just sayin'.
[–]Calber4 -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 months ago
So... is it cool to hate the jews again?
Not really suggesting anti-semitism, but frankly this kind of argument - categorical hatred of a culture group because of of the actions of a few - is exactly the kind of argument the Nazis used.
[–]JBDW 41 points42 points43 points 5 months ago
He isn't saying to incite dislike against religious PEOPLE. He's saying that RELIGION as a philosophy deserves to be disliked.
[–]BlueParrot 11 points12 points13 points 5 months ago
It is also quite important to note that Atkinson uses the phrase "dislike" as opposed to "hate". The two are different. Disliking something may just mean that you don't care for it, but hatred more or less implies you actually wish it harmed or destroyed.
"intense dislike" is kind of just a nicer way of "hate". And hatred doesn't imply wishing harm or destruction, that's "malice".
[–]andyinatl 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
To be fair he actually uses "intense dislike". I feel there is a difference.
[–]ikinone 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
What is a religion without the people though?
[–]Gaybashingfudgepackr 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
A fairytale...!
[–]Lurk4r 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Hi, I'm a snake. Eat this apple. It tastes good.
[–]Gaybashingfudgepackr 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Silly snake, get off the intrawebz. You can't type. You can't even understand our language! xD
[–]squigs 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I think the fact that people are prone to make this mistake indicates that we need to be very careful about what we're doing.
[–]Calber4 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Religion isn't really a philosophy - there are religious philosophies, and there are philosophical elements to religion, but to be considered a philosophy religion would have to be consistent and rational, which on the whole it is not.
Rather it's more of a cultural identity, belief and adherence to religion are widely variable within a population that would consider themselves part of that religion (take Judaism for instance - there is a wide spectrum of people who consider themselves Jewish from Secular Jews, to Orthodox Jews with many subgroupings - though they'd all be "Jewish" broadly). Effectively, you can't hate the religion without hating the people's culture, which means, in some sense, hating the people who identify with that religion. It is fine to hate Christians who want to legislate Christianity, but not at Christians are theocrats. It's fine to hate Muslims who are terrorists, but not all Muslims are terrorists.
The implication of the quote is that it is okay to hate practitioners of a religious culture categorically based on the individual interpretations/actions of a few. It's just an ignorant way of judging people.
[–]Schnoofles 16 points17 points18 points 5 months ago
Godwin's already? That was quick.
[–]lonelyinacrowd 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
God(win) works very quickly these days.
I probably could have used other examples, but it seemed to fit. I'm not really a fan of religious fanaticism, but to hate intensely dislike people for adhering to a cultural identity just because some minority of that group is violent, hateful, or otherwise annoying, is a fairly ignorant stance to take. I felt the analogy was appropriate.
[–]collin482 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
No it's not cool to hate jews, it's cool to hate Judaism.
[–]rushmc1 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
There is a significant difference between dislike and hatred.
[–]trenthamm 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
There's a significant difference between "intense dislike" and hatred? You selectively quoted him, after all.
[–]terriblymildmannered 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Just because I love downvotes so much, I'm going to make a point I tried to make in the whole "War on Christians" Newsweek flap. As an atheist or someone who dislikes religion, it matters A LOT whether you are attacking the dominant cultural group in your society or a marginalized minority. One is sticking up for yourself and the other is just bullying.
So we should amend the quote: "What is wrong with inciting intense dislike of a religion if the activities or teachings of that religion are so outrageous, irrational, or abusive to human rights that they deserve to be intensely disliked - except minorities because that would be discriminatory?"
[–]horrorshowmalchick 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Jews =/= Semites
[–]BlueParrot 12 points13 points14 points 5 months ago
Why the heck is this upvoted? Words don't always have the emaning you would derive from taking their etymology at face value. "Lesbian" does not generally refer to somebody living at lesbos. The platypus is not flat footed, though that is what its name means in latin , and rainbows can be the result of mist as well as rain.
"Antisemitism" has historically been used as a synonym for hatred or dislike of Jews. To quarrel today about its origins would be as silly as proclaiming to people you are gay, and then act surprised and insulted when they assume you're a homosexual, because you figure gay is supposed to mean jolly.
[–]ferebend 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Maybe he/she is a linguist? Context: Linguists use the term Semitic to refer to languages spoken by historically semitic peoples (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, etc.). Someone who specializes in these languages is even called a semitic linguist. So, even though I, as a linguist, am fully aware of the more general connotation of Semitic = Jewish, it still feels a bit incongruous to me.
[–]horrorshowmalchick 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The difference is important because we're advocating the criticism of Judaism the religion, and not the ethnic group of people. Criticising the religion is not anti-semitism. I'm not quarreling about the word's etymology, just highlighting that it's not racist to have a pop at kooky beliefs and it's not an advocation of free thought to have a pop at a race or people.
[–]mavriksfan11 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Arabs are Semites too, but reddit has a burning, intense hatred of Arabs so the anti-Semite thing still holds true.
[–]SOME_OF_THE_BACON 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Bit of an untruth there.
Nazi propaganda actually tried to make the argument racial rather than religious, yes they did create categorical hatred of Jews but it was not a religious issue for them.
Therefore, dislike of the Jewish faith =/= holocaust.
[–]purplestgiraffe 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
You're the one saying hatred. He said "dislike". One can dislike or have distaste for something without it going all the way to hatred.
[–]napoleonsolo 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Were the Nazis themselves a "culture group"? Why or why not? Are Nazis being judged because of "the actions of a few"? After all, not all Nazis worked in concentration camps - it doesn't seem to bother many Catholics that the Pope was in the Hitler Youth.
Shouldn't people hold some responsibility for the ideologies they hold, whether it's National Socialism or Christianity?
[–]Sugreev2001 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
You need an entire book to list Rowan's excellent quotes on just about everything.The Blackadder series should be watched by everyone.
[–]metalheart_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
"if you know what i mean"
[–]Mordecai_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Nothing at all... but I suspect I would disappointed with the religion to which he is referring.
[–]noahdamus 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VM0XCvKNP0
Relevant
[–]jgdoster 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Black background, message on left, serious looking person on right.
[–]Knails 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I cannot upvote this enough
[–]VickysAsleep 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Because it makes you appear just as bad as they are?
[–]TeHNyboR 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Gotta love Mr. Bean! He doesn't always speak, but when he does, he speaks wise words!
[–]ikancast 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
This is okay as long as you also believe that its okay to protest soldiers and wars as well. Just make sure all the beliefs line up.
[–]FeierInMeinHose 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
There's a difference between intense dislike of a religion for it's practices, what he's talking about, and ridiculing people for having said religion. Remember that.
[–]ruralhack 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Dear Atheist and Christian Brothers,
We The People above words pray the people below words gain integrity before it's too late.
With Love,
From Above Words
[–]releasethefrogs 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
because its not an effective way to convey our point. religious people will instantaneously initiate a mental block if we immediately discredit their faith. we need to work with them and not against them.
[–]calicoan 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
There is an enormous lot of polarization going around these days - A whole lot of "Us against Them" in most arenas.
I think we'd get farther with something like
What is wrong with keeping our likes and dislikes to ourselves, so we can put the focus on "You can't force others to follow your particular rules"
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I'll summarize this discussion. Muslims are bad, Jews are bad, Christians are awesome and going to heaven.
[–]azbeel 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Well said.
[–]cormega 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
r/antitheism
[–]IndifferentMorality 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
If you are going to preach hate toward religion, be sure you can separate religion from faith.
[–]HibbertTakeMeThere 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
It's called taking the high ground and letting people comfort themselves in whatever way they want to comfort themselves (even if that includes believing in a flying spaghetti monster). Long as it doesn't affect me, I won't incite anything towards them
[–]petsounds94 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Didn't he die or something?
[–]kindlebee 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
And this, coming from someone who was once Archbishop of Canterbury!
[–]ogchrissyp 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Mr.Bean has an intense dislike for religion? Life made
[–]lonelyinacrowd 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago*
Props Rowan, good lad.
People keep saying bullshit along the lines of 'Religion is ok, it's only extremists that are the problem'. Whilst I agree with this notion on face value, don't you think it's pretty fucking stupid that religion is ok when people don't take it too seriously, but when they start taking it too seriously then it becomes a problem?!?
Am I the only person that thinks that's pretty weird? Religion is ok, as long as you don't take it too literally... WTF sort of crap is that? Clearly then, religion is NOT OK. It's the moderation of it, that's ok. But then moderation of things is pretty much always ok. That's the function of moderation.
It's a bit like saying crack cocaine is ok, because if you only have small amounts of it it won't lead to addiction and inevitably fuck your body up. But back in reality No... crack cocaine IS NOT ok. Because having anything more than moderate amount of it, will lead to addiction and the fucking up of your body/life.
Or to put it another way:
[–]us3rnamealreadytaken 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Ahh, TIL mr bean us an atheist
[–]mopxhead 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Johnny English!
[–]Cunundrum 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I read that in the voice of Mr. Bean
[–]SPAZZEH 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
This is why I hate Islam. I don't care about the rest.
And I love it when people down vote my posts because I mention something like "Dang Muslims are at it again" or "Of course they are going to do that. It's their religion to do so". I've been called racist, hateful, etc. Come On. You can't hate someone for telling the facts. Generalizations/Stereotypes are like assuming black people love fried chicken. There are those who don't. But saying muslims do the things they do because of their religion is an actual fact. Look the shit up yourselves! I'll even be glad to show anyone.
[–]illegal_people 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
just to think i used to think this man's comic skills came from being mentally retarded, but a mentally retarded person can't state awesome truth such as this, cause the mentally retarded are the religious
Who would have thought, Mr. Bean voice of reason
[–]Outofmany 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Well it depends on your ethics. If you believe the end justifies the means then fine, but I don't agree that that is the right way to live. I believe that Gandhi had the correct attitude regarding instigating change. Compassion for your opponents. I don't know what's more powerful than an atheist who understands why we should "judge not lest we be judged ourselves". I refuse to be a punisher of 'sins' of any kind. I know sometimes it's inevitable to do so, but I object to opportunistically looking for people that are 'guilty' because I believe that you "reap what you sow". I want to be forgiven for my mistakes so I must forgive. Does that make me a Christian?
[–]mordicaii 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Seeing Mr. Bean say that in my head makes me laugh like a fucking idiot.
[–]GeekyAndEnglish 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Because in work or school situations you are often punished for pointing out that religions that encourage homophobia, sexism and breaking modern laws are wrong.
So yeah, the moral high ground isn't worth being accused of rascism.
[–]wowragecomic 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Exactly this, Islam apologists.
[–]stratplayer63 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I guess when a religion has an intense dislike of every other religion it's kinda deserved.
I am writing a new Bible it is written to teach all readers to act as the religious behave in the examples I see.
[–]oldmoneey 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
SHUT UP AND MAKE A FUNNY FACE
[–]powercow 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
when people wonder how the Germans let the Nazis rise to power, I look at religion and shake my head. Of course it is never their church, I am sure many Nazi groups, could say the same thing. "It wasn't our division." or "Yeah some of the Nazi groups are radical and hateful but most of us aren't".. "we arent bigots, we dont hate Jews, we just hate the things they do"
[–]JSBUCK 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Give it a rest
[–]Khavos 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
This is much like how some religious people argue that there is a need put a "ban" on homosexuality, freely expressing their disconcern and their extreme dislike with it. However if an atheist argues his/hers dislike with the beliefs of (the) religion, we automatically get marked as "haters", "censurer" or people who are trying to "oppress" the people of that belief. Funny how love between two is not something the all mighty loving God agrees to, but calling them sinners and giving them less rights is his will. Guess it's: love thy neighbor as thyself, except if they are gay...
Ps.Sorry for my incorrect use of English, it isn't my first language).
[–]rattleshirt 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
The amount of people here who know him as just Mr. Bean is ridiculous, he's Blackadder people!
[–]Plazmotech 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Thumbs up for ugly dude.
[–]Lonelan 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
"Eetsa race!" - Rowan Atkinson
[–]blufin 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
He was also in the news recently for arguing that BBC should be allowed to sack people based on their age. His contention was that not allowing them to do so on the basis of anti-ageism legislation was effectively an "attack on creative free expression". This was in response to a BBC presenter taking them to court because she believed she was removed from a show based on her age and not her abilities. There was an implied element of sexism as well.
[–]navane 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Dislike the activies, don't dislike the religion.
[–]FunkyChumzter 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Maybe because, in reality, there is no such religion.
Well, he kind of answers his own question, now, doesn't he?
[–]nejaeden 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
imagine if you had a bunch of 9gag mouth-breathers that said "reddit is full of child molesters and people that hate God! shut it down" obviously, that does not define reddit. it would be annoying to hear those people dominating the debate daily. thus it isn't really good to judge a religion by the select few people who do crazy things in its name.
[–]somerandomnotuscitiz 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Can't take this guy seriously. :D too much of comedy seen
[–]Supertrinko 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
On that last line, I noticed it was a Rowan Atkinson, and my inner voice changed to his.
It was strange.
[–]MikePaddle 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Good thing I speak pretense
[–]kjewd 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
commenting for the future.
[–]Weegemonster5000 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Now I know Mr. Bean's real name. Does that make me less of an ignorant American?
[–]Amryxx 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Why? Because there is no belief or ideology that has not yet been perverted into something atrocious.
You hate the person, not the belief. Unless, of course, the belief in itself is objectively evil, like "I believe everyone but me deserves to be shot".
[–]mathmexican4234 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Seems like everyone thinks that sort of things is ok with Scientology. I guess as long as it's not loosely associated with your religion it's ok to call it weird and dangerous.
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