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[–]thatben 4 points5 points ago

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[–]3rdCultureKid 2 points3 points ago

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Its great for the atheists, however asking a religious person to follow the scientific method might have some problems.

[–]captain__cookies 2 points3 points ago

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What are you on about?

[–]3rdCultureKid 2 points3 points ago

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If you propose the existence of something, you must follow the scientific method in your defense of its existence.

Unfortunately, a lot of religious people don't subscribe to the scientific method (or science for that matter), therefore you won't really get anywhere if you ask them to use it to explain their position.

[–]trekbette 4 points5 points ago

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I'm an atheist for one simple fact: I don't believe in a god or gods. The end.

[–]iwwobbly 1 point2 points ago

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I want this on a shirt.

[–]Boing_flick 0 points1 point ago

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I think this one might have just pushed me over the edge.

[–]faribkhondoker -2 points-1 points ago

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Actually, atheists are just as bad off. You can't default that a God doesn't exist just because hack Theists can't prove it so. You're back to square one, or the unknown realm of the existence of God.

[–]BlackDeath3 0 points1 point ago

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Atheists (at least, the smart ones) do not claim that they know that no gods exist. They just don't believe that gods exist. I find it hard to believe that anybody knows whether a god exists or not. However, "agnosticism" as a comprehensive religious stance is bullshit. Claiming to be agnostic, or alternatively saying "well, you just can't know" is useless. Nobody knows, that's why we hold, or reject, beliefs. Until somebody can prove existence one way or the other, we're all at square one. The difference is that some people accept that they're at square one, while others deny it.

[–]faribkhondoker 0 points1 point ago

The only problem with what you just said is that you conceded that you are technically an atheist as well. Everything you framed an "atheist" to be is, in fact, a pure agnostic. And on the religious stance, it's not that using it as a religious stance is bullshit, it's more that agnostics don't really feel like guessing and cut the cheese straight and go into the logic of "if this could really happen." Everything will divert back to agnosticism as long as we don't know about God, it's just that every other religion will say they're inherently agnostic, but don't like to outwardly show it.

Another thing is that THE EXACT THING THAT YOU SAID is actually the whole problem with any religious stance (how nobody knows but everybody believes). It's pretty much different cult followings of movies.

[–]BlackDeath3 0 points1 point ago

I am an atheist. I am also an agnostic. The two are not mutually exclusive positions, and anyone who claims to be gnostic about anything (gnostic as in absolute knowledge) is probably full of shit. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. If your post amounts to little more than a semantic argument as to whether we should call people who don't believe in a god "atheist" or "agnostic", then while I will probably disagree with you I don't care to argue with you.

When I say that nobody knows, that wasn't meant to equally validate all beliefs. Some beliefs are more valid than others. I should have seen that one coming, but don't try to misuse my words.