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How the world was created. (imgur.com)
submitted 5 months ago by drjeeves
[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 5 months ago
Hey, you atheists!
If Yggdrasil doesn't hold up the worlds, what prevents them from falling into the Ginnungagap?
ATHEISTS 0 - 1 NORSE FAITH
[–]Silos97 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
Yup. Telling you; Norse got it right. Thor bless you all.
[–]Orresnei 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago*
You sir, just won a place in Vallhall, a sacred hall normally reserved for the brave soldiers dying in battle. But for your insurmountable contribution to the proof of the teachings of the Åsatru, Odin has made an exception. Rejoice, for at death you will be accompanied by a valkyrie to Vallhall itself to join Odin's mighty army!
[–]its-not-hypnotoad 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
Actually I believe theseguys have it right
[–]xerxes431 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Jesus said he would end all wicked men. Odin said he would end the ice giants. I don't see any ice giants.
[–]thethingofcreepy 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Until science gets laser guns, I'm gonna stic with the norse
[–]tsingi 40 points41 points42 points 5 months ago*
All Nonsense.
The world is a giant meatball once covered in tomato sauce. The sauce went moldy from the heat of the sun and created life.
Pastafarians for the win!
Take that atheists!
[–]drjeeves[S] 15 points16 points17 points 5 months ago
That sounds even more reasonable. Bless you in tomato sauce for showing me the light.
[–]ravingheaven 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
Did the world also come with a side order of cheese?
[–]BennyGB 11 points12 points13 points 5 months ago
The Moon of course! It all makes so much sense now...
[–]MWKhan 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Raaamen!
[–]OneWarning13 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Hmm, I didn't know we were crated. Must be a damn big crate.
[–]Lokky 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
For extra lulz it's important to remember that the Shinto story given here is the SFW version. What literally happens in the Kojiki is that Izanami and Izanagi were running after each other around a pillar. The woman Izanami first tried to mate with Izanagi but nothing happened. Then they realize the proper way is for the man to run after the woman and mate with her, thus Izanagi plunged his 'jewel encrusted spear' into her 'ocean', he pulled out and his semen formed the archipelago of Japan. Then cue a whole bunch of divine beings that come to life from the eyeballs, excrement or other gross things of other gods.
[–]FreeThinker76 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago*
I think this gets reshared at least once a month. Which I am completely cool with and I even upvoted it. How else are we going to spread the crazy stories of creationism to our new young /r/atheism followers.
However, I recreated a more detailed version (clarity) that is 1080x1920 with a added religion
HERE it is.
Enjoy!
[–]drjeeves[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Thank you, this one is way better.
[–]metalliska 13 points14 points15 points 5 months ago
Actually, Science doesn't deal with how the world was created.
create [kree-eyt] verb (used with object)
1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
[–]atheist_maybe 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago
Exactly, because the world wasn't created. In OP's defense, it says "how the world came to be". Over the science bit.
[–]marspiders 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Right. It explains how the world came to be, not how it was created. There's a reason that they always say that know what happened like 114 milliseconds or so after the big bang, and not what caused the big bang. How/why the big bang occurred in the first place is what religion tries to deal with and is what science hasn't been able to answer yet.
[–]atheist_maybe 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Which basically consigns it to a pretty pathetic god of the gaps.
Agreed.
All I'm saying is that until science has a good explanation for that, religion is going to exist and arguing with theists is pretty much useless because they will always have that to fall back on.
[–]NinetiesGuy 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
It will exist beyond that. Evolution disagrees with the Bible's account of human development, therefore evolution is wrong. The same thing would happen if we knew every single thing about the origins of the universe. Religion doesn't let facts get in the way of its theology.
Having said that, given enough time, the truth would be (and will be) accepted. Some apologists will rationalize their way around it in the same the way that they do now with new evolutionary discoveries that refute standard ID talking points, but even that will fade away.
[–]alcalde 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
And don't forget there are a lot of us atheists who don't buy into the Big Bang theory either!
[–]Vinoda 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Do you have a better theory that could out compete with the big bang? If so please present your facts and evidence.
You definitely make a good point. There is always going to be some form of disagreement between science and theology that will allow it to exist.
I guess what I was getting at is not that religion as a whole is going to just vanish, but it will change. We've seen it happen in our own lifetime. The scientific community as a whole agrees that life elsewhere in the universe is hugely probably, and the Catholic church then states that 'life on other planets doesn't contradict out beliefs,' when 100 years ago it clearly would have.
I think the fact that it is impossible for anyone to die and come come back to life and tell us what happens will always leave room for speculation, but religion as a whole will have to evolve as science evolves.
[–]passwordrememberfail 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Same with Hinduism. It is a cycle with no beginning or end. The Vedic stories with gods and whatnot are intended to be a metaphoric personified narrative for children, or just people who enjoy a good story.
[–]incandemon -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Since I can't tell if you’re being sarcastic or pedantic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY
[–]MUnhelpful 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago*
Anybody else think most traditions have better stories than the Christian one? And I would say that d'Aulaires' Norse Gods and Giants had a lot to do with my never attaching much importance to the Christian beliefs I was exposed to by my extended family.
EDIT: Swype :(
[–]dzire187 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
day and night, then the sun. makes sense...
[–]slim034 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Definitely. I don't have a problem with any of these stories, really, because I recognize the fact that they are just that, stories.
Unfortunately, the majority of society does not...
Personally, I find the ancient "pagan" polytheistic religious mythos to be very interesting. Monotheism sucks (imho) because it leads to "with us or against us" type of thinking.
[–]MUnhelpful 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Polytheistic faiths have suppressed those of other faiths, or of no faith, in the past.
[–]drjeeves[S] 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago
Disney movies are more believable than all of the Abrhamic religions.
[–]CodyGriffin 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Abrahamic religions are even believable?
[–]IncipitTragoedia 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
No, they are not at all believable. That's why...nevermind.
[–]iama_XXL 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
suckled from the great cow...
what's better than that!? NOTHING!
[–]MadBrodigidy 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Christianity contributes to the best movie/television plots though, compared to the other religions.
I'm unsure... Norse myths seem to mostly get passed over in Hollywood, but there are numerous Greek myth films. Surely some of these are of comparable quality to works like The Ten Commandments?
[–]MadBrodigidy 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Didn't have Greek mythology in mind, but they both had a big impact on comics/movies/stuff, although I actually think Greek mythology trumps Christianity in the entertain-o-scale.
[–]TheMediumPanda 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Mjeh, if I absolutely had to give up my atheism I'd go Nordic Mythology (Norse). At least there's some zest, zing and outright action to it.
Too Northern for my liking. I think the Greeks had a healthy approach to life, and I have no problem with most of their mythologies.
[–]Noodlefoo 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago
Funny thing is, the Big Bang theory was created by a Belgian Catholic priest, Georges Lemaître.
[–]Edge578 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago
Does anyone have a larger version? The text is almost unreadable
[–]BeverageHere 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/pxqoq/how_the_world_was_created/c3t65zu
[–]The_Kommunist 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
The Hindu one is slightly incorrect. Just saying.
[–]peepeemcpoop 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago
From the Rig Veda (The translation Sagan used in Cosmos):
'Who knows for certain? Who shall here declare it? Whence was it born, whence came creation? The gods are later than this world's formation; Who then can know the origins of the world? None knows whence creation arose; And whether he has or has not made it; He who surveys it from the lofty skies. Only he knows-or perhaps he knows not.'
[–]ultrachez 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cycle_of_the_universe
[–]avyavi 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago
Actually I know of about 3 different versions of creation according to Hinduism, but if you ask any Hindu, they will spout the big bang theory and evolution to you. In Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism (Don't know about Sikhism), creation isn't anywhere close to as important as Christianity/Judaism/Islam. Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism view is more "It happened, you're here, get over it, focus on more important things like making yourself a better person"
[–]nikekid 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago
Shinto... oh i remember him. He was a yu-gi-oh card. That card blow ppl away lol
[–]T3R1COTTAP13 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
at least its a repost from a long time ago...
[–]anthion 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
False. Hominids did not branch off from apes. Hominids ARE apes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
My mom likes to say "Creation is so beautiful! Look around you, this couldn't have all been created by chance!" Explain to me where God himself came from. He always was? He's just always just been there? To which she'd say, "I know! It's so complex and crazy we just can't wrap our minds around it! But ask God and he'll help you understand better!" Bullshit, give me a good explanation and I'll respect your Christian views -_-
[–]cjnkns -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
I've heard responses like the one from your mother before. It really blows my mind people can say that shit. He's always just been there, or he exists outside of space and time. What in the holy fuck does that even mean?
edit: spelling, I suck at it.
[–]Captain_Mustard 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Existence outside of time and space is, to us, totally alien. It's hard to say what it really means, and whether it is possible.
[–]cjnkns 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Right, which is why when a religious person invokes it has some kind of fact I am dumbfounded. People who seem to reject science in one breathe are using it to explain how their deity exists beyond the reach of our understanding.
[–]phlothsenes 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Do you mean to say that you really believe that if something is true then it must be within your reach to understand it? Corollary: If something is outside your grasp then it must be false?!?!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
To me, putting God in the whole universe creation scenario doesn't clear anything up... So they're saying there was nothing but God, then he created everything? That makes less sense than the big bang theory, everything coming out of nothing. You don't have to add God to it. It's called science, and it's done SO much more for us than religion. You really can't blow off science and remain logical. Oh, but my favourite is when Christians joke around about it... "The big bang WAS real! God spoke and BANG! It happened!" Oh, you clever bastards.
[–]Viin 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
"It says so in my science book." Check-mate atheists.
[–]thimblyjoe 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The disparity in length between the evidence sections of the last column and the rest of the evidence sections is really bugging my OCD. Just sayin' xD
[–]ProjectD13X 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
The Norse win. Odin said he would destroy all ice giants, I see no ice giants, checkmate atheists
[–]VagabondSodality 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
This is an incorrect assumption about what evidence is vs. what interpretation of evidence is.
Science and religion both look at the same evidence, it's how they interpret that evidence that is the real issue. It's humorous watching uneducated atheists and christians do battle...
Christian points to fossil record Look at the evidence! It's right there!
Atheist points to fossil record Look at the evidence! It's right there!
All the while they don't realize that the evidence is not the issue... it's how they are interpreting the evidence that dictates their perspective on what the evidence means.
[–]notadutchboy 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
Can you elaborate?
Evidence is the data, the measurement, the tangible, the recorded. The same evidence can technically support multiple theories or hypotheses.
I promise you that a new-earth christian creationist will absolutely point to the fossil record and claim it is evidence for a 6000ish year old earth... more specifically a biblical flood. While the staunch scientist who imposes no philosophical presuppositions will state that it is evidence that supports the traditional scientific (evolutionary) model.
[–]notadutchboy 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I could be wrong but your original comment appears to be implying that the sum total of the evidence can equally support either idea and it's a coin toss as to which one is correct. This doesn't make sense as one position has a good deal more evidence. The young earth creationists' notion that the fossil record supports a biblical flood could be easily dispelled by carbon dating the fossils; this would show that not all the fossils are of the same age.
You say that it's humorous watching uneducated atheists and Christians do battle. What errors do you see them making, specifically, what errors does the "uneducated" atheist typically make?
[–]VagabondSodality 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
The error I see is exactly that, pointing to a rock and saying the other person is stupid because they don't understand what the rock means.
If you are debunking a hypothesis, you have to point to data that doesn't fit their model. In my experiences the better conversations between people who actually understand their positions are worded more around, "Well how exactly do you reconcile xxxx?" and addressing the validity of those reconciliations.
When I speak to a 'young earth' creationist, I acknowledge that they have that view and they are welcome to have that view... but then I ask how they reconcile the light in our night sky that comes from stars that are more than 10 thousand light years away? Some claim that the light was created in transit, at which point I would further the topic around how this implies deception... but others actually have more interesting ideas around this issue.
I promise you, there are very very smart people who believe these things, some very creative minds who have actually wrestled with these issues or gaps in their world view. Sowing a seed or two of doubt can go a long way in actually reaching the person who's got his defenses up... and you might find that the discourse is healthy for both of you.
[–]learnebonics 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Microevolution? Don't we just call it evolution? Where is macroevolution listed then?
We can't observe macroevolution directly. We can definitely prove that it has happened, but we don't really need to.
And scientifically the issue is the cause of the macroevolution, not the evolution itself.
[–]ragemcfist 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
it says so in the science textbook
I'm a Christian. I think what you all have not considered is that many Christians do not base their belief of Christianity on the creation story, but rather base their belief of the creation story on Christianity.
Christianity makes sense to me mostly because of its philosophical explanatory power.
Sidenote: It's interesting how homogenous the reddit community is in its beliefs.
[–]alcalde 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago
What's "philosophical explanatory power"? Philosophy is vague concepts and doesn't explain things. Reality explains things. Philosophy can't "explain" data mining or electrical engineering. Do you mean it presents a way that the world is alleged to work that appeals to you?
"but rather base their belief of the creation story on Christianity."
That's circular logic though. What do you base your belief in Christianity on then? If claims are made that can be proven false, you need to reject the hypothesis (unless it's the Big Bang theory, but that's another story).
Why can't every Christian just be a Catholic? Then they could say "I believe the creation story is just that... a story made up by ancient people to try to explain the world as they saw it" and not have to defend the idea of talking snakes. Their lives would be so much easier.
The logic is not circular if my belief in Christianity is not based on historical things. But before I go into that, I'm willing to concede that some of the tales in the Bible may be allegorical. However, that's not because I believe they might be too far-fetched to be possible. If one accepts God, then I think you'll agree that a talking snake presents no additional problems.
Okay, so what do I mean by "philosophical explanatory power?" I mean that the fatalistic materialism which is the consensus reddit opinion leaves too many important questions unanswered. Where do I get a sense of beauty or honor? These things are beyond the merely physical. As C.S. Lewis said, “If I discover within myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.”
Also, one has to remember that the scientific method, while useful, is, by definition, limited. It cannot, by definition again, discover the supernatural. We're limited by our surroundings. It's insane to assume that our vantage point sees everything. I see in everything a great amount of arbitrariness. I approach the world like Chesteron does: “… I found the whole modern world talking scientific fatalism; saying that everything is as it must always have been, being unfolded without fault from the beginning. The leaf on the tree is green because it could never have been anything else. Now, the fairy-tale philosopher is glad that the leaf is green precisely because it might have been scarlet. He feels as if it had turned green an instant before he looked at it. He is pleased that snow is white on the strictly reasonable ground that it might have been black. Every colour has in it a bold quality as of choice; the red of garden roses is not only decisive but dramatic, like suddenly spilt blood. He feels that something has been done.”
[–]badcatdog 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Religions diverge, science converges.
You may consider that a proof.
This claim is not supported by the data. Worldwide, a plurality of people identify themselves as Christian. 2nd is Islam. 3rd is non-religious.
However, these numbers are clearly not reflected in the reddit community because reddit effectively systemically sensors dissent from the reddit community's consensus. People downvote my stuff because they disagree with it, which makes it harder to post stuff, effectively censoring my opinion even if I'm being polite and taking time to write a thorough position.
It's interesting how people care about karma.
identify themselves as Christian
These people have a huge (and increasing) range of religions.
As for atheists, we are probably happier to trust the results of science. That plus not being indoctrinated into any of the myriad of cults plus being part of western culture results in a more homogeneous viewpoint.
The word belief is a bit ambiguous, perhaps you should avoid it.
That's a good point. Many of the people who self-identify as Christians clearly do not believe what the Bible says and are not serious about what they call their faith. It is not my place to judge in specific cases, but it is obvious that there are many such people. However, for this discussion it is enough to point out that only about 20% of people are non-religious.
For myself, I believe in the results of science (I'm a chemical engineering grad student about to get a phd, yet I definitely do not wear the blinders worn by many of my peers). What I do not believe is that science has the ability to discover or even the capability to discuss some things. It is a mistake to limit the scope of one's knowledge to things that can be discovered scientifically. Yet, the much bigger mistake is to say that that limited field of view is all that can be known.
In response to your statement about the word "belief," I think its meaning is very unambiguous and that it means: a position that one takes to be an accurate description of the nature of reality. I do agree though, that many people do not think clearly and do not really understand their beliefs.
It is a mistake to limit the scope of one's knowledge to things that can be discovered scientifically. Yet, the much bigger mistake is to say that that limited field of view is all that can be known.
I do not know what you mean here.
[–]KIDWHOSBORED 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Does anyone else think they all sound like nonsense? I know there is a ton of evidence supporting the big bang, and that is what I personally believe, but when you put it like that, it just all sounds silly.
[–]dschiff -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
A simple origin is the only thing that makes sense.
The scientific answer won't involve complex things boostrapping themselves into existences.
[–]alcalde -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 months ago
There isn't a ton of evidence supporting the Big Bang; in fact it's failed every prediction it's made except for the predictions that were identical to the hypotheses that preceeded it. If it wasn't part of the Book Of Genesis For Atheists, it'd have been discarded a long time ago. Now no one wants to give the creationists ammunition so it's being clung to until something overwhelmingly better comes along.
The Big Bang really is as silly as you're perceiving it to be right now. In fact, Sir Fred Hoyle coined the term as a form of mocking derision for it.
[–]kingssman 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
How a repost is reposted again and again.
[–]PWNBUCKETS -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
it should get put in the sidebar so it isn't reposted every 3 days...
[–]InJhWeTrust -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
How else would we know that OP is original and clever if he doesn't just blindly repost something that has been posted on this subreddit at least 50 times? Do you expect him to come up with something original or innovative? FSM!!!!!!
checkmate atheists?
[–]sdbear 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I didn't see Buddhism. Is there a Buddhist creation story?
[–]iemfi 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Wikipedia It's all hopelessly convulated with a whole bunch of deities.
[–]sdbear -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Thanks.
[–]com_truise -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Buddhism doesn't really focus on these things. It's more of a way to disentangle your mind in order to experience reality without layers of conditioning around it.
I heard that someone asked the Dalai Lama if he believed in the big bang theory and he replied "which one?"
I see. Thank you.
[–]hattfatt 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Is it just me or does anyone else find that, with an open enough mind one could think that all of these religions kinda knew what was going and that some ancient truth and knowledge was lost in translation and oral retelling of the stories?
Some of us go the other way and find the current scientific explanation to be not much less sillier than the religious ones. :-) Dark matter, dark energy, space itself expanding, singularities....
Of course it's less silly. I'm just saying, some of these outlines aren't totally off.
[–]CoMoFo 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
I learned that Buddhists say it doesn't matter how the world was created.
[–]moves_like_jager 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
The great irony here is that there is an assumption of existence before existence as we know it. Even in science, the big bang came from.......I doubt we'll ever know how we ultimately got something from assumingly nothing
Look up "virtual particles" and then you'll begin to think that physics might really be losing its collective mind... makes the God of Genesis look small potatoes in comparison to what they imagine happens every second... yet no one dares address the magic that's been added to particle physics and alternate theories that remove the magical creation element from virtual particles are completely ignored.... :-(
[–]gastromagig 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
Norse is still definetly cooler
[–]aciddrizzle 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
You know, the Hindu idea of destruction, creation and rebirth is something we've found reflected in many scientific observations and frameworks. For example, stellar nucleosynthesis teaches us that complex matter, like heavy metals, were formed through nucleosynthetic reactions in the cores of stars; when those stars died and exploded, that matter (previously trapped in the star's outer layers) permeates across the universe, allowing it to wind up in (say) the crust of our earth.
That's creation, destruction and rebirth. Don't get distracted by an allegorical story about a deity laying down with a snake, it was likely never meant to be literal. There's a lot of truth to these ideas, it's amazing that texts dating back 4000 years espouse ideas that modern tools can verify.
[–]alcalde -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
No it's about snakes. What you're doing is just allegorizing the stories to the point where if you squint and turn your head it just might look similar to science's explanations.
[–]aciddrizzle -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
It's not about snakes, brah. Is it so difficult to believe that people understood some basic principles of the universe prior to the advent of scientific tools? The Mayan calendaring system is more accurate than the Gregorian system. That isn't an accident.
[–]Feijin -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Meh.. I'm a believer in the big bang and all, but it's still just a theory, ie. it isn't proven, just like anything in the bible.
Not only isn't it proven, but it's failed every one of its unique predictions and continually needs the invention of unobserved entities (dark energy, dark matter) to explain away its failed predictions. Yet you get downvoted for some reason. In any other scientific discipline, if your hypothesis predicted that the speed of the expansion of space should be slowing down (even granting that space can expand, which is probably the first incorrect interpretation of evidence that sent us down this path) and observations show things speeding up that would be the end of the hypothesis. Instead, we invent a magical form of energy that has just the properties we need to cause the acceleration because we all know the hypothesis MUST be true so this entity must exist... which is EXACTLY the way religious folks justify making things up during debates, because they KNOW in the end they must be right.
When your hypothesis ends up with clusters of galaxies that would have taken longer to form (if gravity were the only force shaping the clusters' formation) than the age assigned to the universe(!), an honest application of the scientific method would demand rejecting the hypothesis.
When your hypothesis needs at least one separate adjustable parameter to predict the abundance of each element lighter than lithium, that just might be a sign your hypothesis doesn't actually predict anything at all.
When your hypothesis needs 90% of the matter in the universe to be made of something undetected, you just might have a problem.
When the hypothesis predicts equal amounts of matter and anti-matter in the universe, not observed and not explained, that's another sign your hypothesis is a failure.
When the galaxy shows large-scale structure out to more than 1Gpc in opposite directions, there's more structure than an explosion can account for and another sign your hypothesis is a failure.
I could go on, but just as the world looks nothing like what we would expect it to look like if a benevolent intelligent designer were in charge (Earth has no special place, universe harsh, planet 3/4 water and not habitable in many spots, good and bad things happen at random, etc.), every observation we have of the universe looks nothing like what the Big Bang hypothesis predicted when we have been able to make the observations. Originally Big Bang hypothesis backers expected a completely homogenous universe at greater distances and deceleration. Instead, we have a universe with over 13 observed "walls" of galaxies and voids in between as far as we've been able to observe, and acceleration if the redshift indeed indicated space expansion. It simply looks nothing like an explosion and we've gone on to postulate dark matter and dark energy among other things to try to account for every failed observation, just as religious folk have attempted to co-op evolution and DNA into intelligent design "theory", etc. The reality is the Big Bang hypothesis (it certainly is not a theory with its poor track record) is an adjustable parameter-filled mess that hasn't scored ONE prediction beyond what its predecessors did (Steady State got the same things right the Big Bang did and without the need for adjustable parameters).
Folks who proclaim their allegiance to the Big Bang without ever seriously questioning it are no different than those who believe their religion without ever giving any thought to it. In their minds they're buying into the tactics of people like Frank Turek, who in his book and debates seeks to implicitly make the argument that if you can't explain the existence of everything today with science than God-done-it. It's alright for us as atheists and as supporters of the scientific method to say that we probably don't know the origin of the universe right now. A little over a hundred years ago we didn't know the secret of powered flight either, but that didn't mean that angels could fly.
[–]velocom -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
What I find most interesting is how some of these creation myths are roughly-hewn approximations of current scientific understanding. The cosmic mist, for example, condensing into matter and energy. It is likely nothing more than happenstance, of course, though it might reflect their cultures' use of observation and logic.
[–]FunInStalingrad -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
As interesting (and true) as the scientific explanation may be, I like to sometimes imagine the mythic ones. The christian myth is a bit dull, the Hindu and Taoistic views are awesome as fiction. They're so mindbending.
[–]jifwu -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
I don't know...That Norse cite is pretty convincing...
[–]Riku98523 -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Sad there is no Mormon method on there. Mormon's have probably the coolest creation ideas. Technically our world wouldn't even be the first as everyone who becomes a god gets to create their own world/planet (different views by different Mormon's. Some say new planet in our universe some say different dimension but w/e). We could just be the product of a new god from another planet learning the secret handshake (yes really) and becoming a god him/herself.
Now if I became a god I'd create a planet like 20 miles away from Earth. It would just pop into existence :U.
[–]PceOut5o -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
I know some of these words.
[–]DrSigFreud -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Yea but where did the big bang come from... hmmm.
[–]trick009 -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Where's Islam?
[–]IIHURRlCANEII -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Why'd you leave out Islam?
Just curious.
[–]Amryxx -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Because as far as I know of, there is no "world creation theory" in Islam. It says God created everything out of nothing, but there is no mention of how.
[–]zudthespud -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Fair play to the Hindu story and the idea of a cycle of creation, destruction and rebirth. Reminded me of the star cycle, until it gets to the god bit.
[–]LBORBAH -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Bumba a true redditor, sick and forever alone he vomited up the world and a nice pile of diced carrots, and after he finished he went away for good not even a forwarding address. http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=BUMBA
[–]Msj2705 -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
None of them really say how....
Just when, and what order things were created.
[–]VTJP -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Thinking about the universe as a whole mind fucks me so much I have to believe in at least some kind of higher being. Are their any theories on where all the matter came from that was used in the big bang? The only thing i can't fully understand is where the first matter came from in the beginning of time, which technically has no beginning?
[–]akron92 -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Yes! Hinduism is finally included in one of these!
[–]albatrossnecklassftw -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Gotta say though... Shinto has the most convincing creation story of the group. Barring Norse of course because it's true. :P
[–]crazy4finalfantasy -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Text is kinda blurry hard to read it
[–]TheBSReport -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago
Fuck science. Norse is the only way.
[–]Barney21 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
Should be "Islamo-Christian". There are many more Muslims than Jews.
The term "Judeo-Christian" doesn't have to do with number of adherents, but with belief in the same creation story. Both Christians and Jews adhere to the Genesis version of creation. Muslims do not.
It's funny that to see this kind of generalization (all views that are not mine are the same) going on in the super-literal evidence-worshipping reddit community. And it's not just you, I see it very frequently in reddit. Y'all are violating the principles of your own god of reason. He will be displeased.
[–]Barney21 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago
"Judeo-Christian" is a nonsense word invented in the 1930s. It means nothing. Ask my sister in law, her dad's a rabbi.
The Islamic creation myth is almost identical, just retold. For example the Koran says the serpent was Satan, but the Bible doesn't. But Christians believe the serpent was Satan.
That whole thing about Jins (genies) being created first from fire and smoke and undergoing a fall and destruction of their own. Yeah, that was one bit I missed in Genesis... there's other things too, but again, I get the feeling that for many people: "all views that are not mine are pretty much the same so I can just lump them together."
There are Jins in Genesis as a matter of fact. Genesis 3:24
"After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."
Obviously god would have had to create these supernatural beings somehow, even if it is not described in the text.
Your argument about additions makes no sense, as I previously pointed out. Christians also believe things about creation that are not in Genesis, such as the fact that the snake is Satan.
[–]TomatoLettuceBacon -2 points-1 points0 points 5 months ago
Theorys are not soild evidence...
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[–]iama_XXL -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 months ago
eh, a Christian would just look at that last one and say either "Darwin said it" or "my 8th grade science book". You are assuming religious folk believe in science. Religion and science just don't mix. You can't truly believe in one without disregarding the other. To believe science, you disregard religion, to believe religion, you have to disregard science.
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