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Philosoraptor on the virgin birth (imgur.com)
submitted 6 months ago by PerfectGentleman
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[–]Abedeus 41 points42 points43 points 6 months ago
Fuck you, I wanted to post this!
So I'll just stick to your post like a little parasitic worm and drain the upvotes. HSSSSHSHSHSH
[–]elruary 9 points10 points11 points 6 months ago
and it worked...
[–]Megabobster -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 months ago
And so did that.
[–]alm16h7y1 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
But this will not.
[–]andersonb47 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 months ago
If I upvote its not funny...but if I don't upvote you won't get karma for my laughter!
[–]Quazz 4 points5 points6 points 6 months ago
God probably has a limited battery. It's about to run out.
[–]RangerPL 5 points6 points7 points 6 months ago*
Hawking radiation.
[–]colinsteadman 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
I worked this out when I was 6. Lots of unbelievable (literally) in the past, nothing... absolutely nothing present day. Hoorah for me at 6, born skeptic!
[–]kohrokneo 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Whelp, so much for the whole omnipotent thing huh?
[–]echopaff 12 points13 points14 points 6 months ago*
Since no one who has commented so far knows anything about Christian doctrine, allow me to enlighten you as to the Christian explanation:
In order for Jesus to effectively bear the sins of man, and then die in an act of intersession for mankind and atonement for their sins, he had to be one of us. Old Testament prophecy, and Jesus himself refer to him as the "Son of Man", a title that pastors use interchangeably with "Son of God". So what Christians believe the bible is saying is that God and the angels cannot sin, therefore the Son of God must also be a Son of Man in order to relate to them in their capacity to sin, and dying on the cross, atone for all men's sins. It is Jesus' human half that allowed him to bear the sin, and his divine half that allowed himself to be made clean and to be resurrected.
When I was a kid I read a book called "The Divine Romance" by Gene Edwards, in which he describes Jesus stopping time just after being placed on the cross, and just before the first strike of the hammer he commands angels to gather up all of the sins of all men from all times and place them on his chest. He then bears the weight of the sins as well as the physical torture of the crucifixion until he finally dies hours later, the sins with him.
Anyway, I deplore Christianity for it's deceptive and manipulative nature, but unfortunately I spent the first half of my life being jam-fed this crazy doctrine as if it was real... on an hourly basis.
That being said, I think it's important that atheists understand the mindset of the opposition. People who genuinely believe this nonesense are insane.
TL;DR: Christians believe Jesus had to be half man to die for your sins
Edit: grammar
[–]PerfectGentleman[S] 7 points8 points9 points 6 months ago
So you're saying Adam was not a man? I don't see your point. Yahweh could easily create Jesus as "one of us" without the need of a woman. Is he not God?
[–]echopaff 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Am I saying Adam was not a man because at one point he was free from any burden of sin? I don't know if that's what you're asking. In case it is, the key about Jesus being the Son of Man is that he relates to us in our capacity to sin. Adam was always capable of Sin, even from the time of his creation.
I'm not saying that any of this should make logical sense. We're talking about religion here. There are very few rules.
My purpose here is to try and inform the community of what the most widely accepted explanation is among Christian scholars.
My point about the angels bringing the sins to Jesus' chest was to illustrate a good example of the kind of "logic" that exists behind some of these doctrines that the common Christian dismisses as fact. Essentially, all that pastors do while writing sermons is tie a real life story or stories to a biblical scenario(s) in a way that at least loosely fits in the biblical lore-frame. It's a murky art.
It's important to know what the flock is being fed. That's my point.
[–]PerfectGentleman[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
OK, I agree with you that we should know what the other side would answer to these questions. Doesn't mean we should take it seriously though. It's all non-sense. Nonetheless, thanks for informing us about it.
[–]CDClock 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
religion is really interesting even though i dont believe in it
but i believe that adam is what he is in the anime series neon genesis evangelion because thats a cooler story also that story involves giant human/angel hybrid robot monsters
[–]MackLuster77 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
My point about the angels bringing the sins to Jesus' chest was to illustrate a good example of the kind of "logic" that exists behind some of these doctrines that the common Christian dismisses as fact.
The "logic" that sins have weight and need to be gathered. Incredible.
[–]Malfeasant 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
the bible is metaphor and literal truth, makes perfect sense.
[–]Ninjew333 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
I think basically Adam was created clean and ignorant of the world and then dirtied man with the whole sexytimes with Eve, so in order to keep Jesus pure but not ignorant he had to use regular means (Mary).
I am not defending it just making some sense out of it I am jewish not Christian btw
[–]echopaff 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Adam and Eve having sexytimes was not the original sin that caused the fall of man... that was the whole apple/serpent thing. Sex is not a sin. Sex with anyone other than your spouse is a sin. Also lust of anyone other than your spouse.
I hate this religion.
I wasn't saying that I just meant adam an eve were no longer pure, if God had made Jesus like Adam, Jesus would have had to comit Original sin in order to become like the other people of earth so it would have been bad since the idea of Jesus in Christian Doctrine is that he is a pure sinless human/God.
[–]PerfectGentleman[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Don't they say that the virgin birth makes Jesus without original sin? And actually, catholics say that Mary was born without original sin as well (immaculate conception).
I think there are few more disgusting things as the concept of original sin. That we have to stand by while these idiots say that everyone is born sick because some guy ate some fruit thousands of years ago.
[–]Megabobster 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
There's also the possibility that Mary was just a slut and trying to pass it off as something so she made up a story and slipped something into Joseph's food.
thats what I am saying, in order to be born without original sin jesus had to be born of a virgin, if he had been made of dust like Adam then Jesus would have had to eat the apple to join the normal world thus being sinful, so he could not make Jesus out of dust as that would have compromised his pureness (again I am Jewish and interpreting the new testament, I am in no way nor have I been Christian)
[–]PerfectGentleman[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago*
An all-powerful god should still be able to do away with stupid non-sense technicalities like that. It still doesn't make sense. But thanks for trying though.
Again, not something you would believe as you are probably atheist but if God created the universe, he would love non-sense technicalities :) (the universe is full of them).
[–]PerfectGentleman[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Can you name one?
[–]MegaFireDonkey 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
But God supposedly created Adam out of dust free of Original Sin. So he doesn't have to be born of Mary to avoid original sin, nor would he need to eat any apple.. since the idea is that he was free of Original Sin, so eating the apple would be counter productive.
I would be interested in some real religious people investigating the nature of why God has to obey these weird technicalities. I think it could reveal a lot about the universe (in the Christian view, not that I'd think any of it was true, but I do think it is a fun idea to play with. Why does God have to flood the world to kill everyone, why not just zap them dead instantly? etc).
What you aren't understanding is the fact that Adam and eve yes had no sin, but they knew nothing except eachothers name, they didn't even know they were naked. In order for Adam and Eve to become what we know humans as today they had to sin by eating the apple. If God had made Jesus like Adam, in order for Jesus to be like all humans of the time, Jesus would have to have eaten the apple therefore sinning. The whole idea of Jesus in Christian Doctrine is that Jesus was pure.
TL;DR If God made Jesus like Adam, he would have needed to eat the apple and sin. The only way to prevent this was to have him birthed by a virgin so that he would be born as a normal human and be pure.
[–]ladyhawthorne 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Some sects believe all sex is a sin, but to commit to it with only one person is "acceptable" which is why marriage is necessary. Others, such as the cathars purportedly found all forms of reproductive sex to be a sin, with homosexual relations being preferred to heterosexual. (Then the catholics wiped them from the face of the earth). I find it amusing when the religious speak of their doctrines as universal amoung all christians (not meaning you, just an observation).
"At the gates and the walls of Montségur. Blood on the stones of the citadel."
[–]BrendanAS 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
The fall has more to do with the understanding of good and evil, and less to do with sex. Sex is good.
Edit: Still learning to markup.
[–]Falkner09 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
close. actually, most Christian theologians and regular Christians will say that he had to be FULLY man, and FULLY god for the whole "dying for your sins" technicality to work.
of course, they never seem to explain why an all powerful deity would even need to exploit a technicality, but w/e.
[–]Feinberg 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Exactly! It's an interesting explanation and all, but one gets the feeling that the purpose of it is to distract us long enough that we lose sight of the initial question. Just like the explanations of Noah's Ark, there are plenty of thin slices of science wrapped around great big bricks of "Because MAGIC." When you come right down to it, logical explanations for any of this are totally useless, because at some point you get back to the woo-woo magic stuff and, really, just skipping straight to "Because MAGIC." would have saved time all around.
[–]LukeTheAlright 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Son of man, you say?
[–]idebautte 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Luke 6:42: How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
[–]thomyorke64 6 points7 points8 points 6 months ago
Clearly, you've never heard of the Great Dust Shortage of 7 BC. Why don't you help yourself to a history book sometime?
[–]brettcottrell 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Mary was hot.
[–]tehder 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Probably just hadn't gotten laid in a while.
[–]beason4251 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Plot device, Mr. Frodo. Plot device.
[–]4hag 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Why is this getting downvotes? Surely the objectors don't even acknowledge the Philosoraptor's existence?
[–]idebautte 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Oh yes, I forgot to adress my point on why this statement is false. This statement is false because God needed a woman, Mary, to give birth to his son because Mary is the new eve; Jesus is the new Adam. Adam and eve fell from the grace of God. Eve said yes to the fallen angel, Satan, and Mary said yes to Gabriel, the messenger of God, thus reversing the damage of eve. Jesus is the new adam and he will reverse the whole fall of man. Mary was needed because she Helps reverse the fall. Mary was also needed because Jesus NEEDED to be the son of man in order to save mankind. He had to be human because it was humans that fell and he had to be divine because he needed the grace of God to save us. God could have saved us by himself, but that wouldn't be as meaningful to us. It is caring of him that he came to earth, became man, and felt the human experience. This makes it much more meaningful because he suffered as a human for us, as oppose to coming as a fully divine being to save us without any sort of suffering.
[–]Quazz 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Furthermore, why did he need to use one of his ribs to create Eve.
[–]ladyhawthorne 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago*
This can actually be explained through jewish oral mythology, though most chrisitians will never admit such a thing exists. Eve was not the first woman, Lilith was. God created her for Adam from dust, and because she was created equally she refused to be subservient to him. After Adam's insistence that she must lay beneath him during sex, rather than as equals, she flew into a fury - speaking the true name of god, becoming a demon and leaving the garden, etc (story continues in source). According to some versions, the Eve that we know of is actually the second of two creations called Eve. With the first one, god took Adam's rib and formed her before him, however watching the bone,muscle etc grow caused Adam to be disgusted with her so she was cast from the garden. This is why, with Eve 2, Adam was asleep during the process.
EDIT: An addition source of myriad Lilithian mythos
O_o the more i learn about religion, the more i thank my mom for being an atheist.
If you think that's weird, in other versions Lilith was only made because Adam begged god for a companion after getting jealous of all the animals in the garden for having partners and having sex with them to fill his loneliness.
that sheep was asking for it... "baa" means yes, right?
Wait, Adam had sex with animals of other species?
I think there is some mention of it in the second source, but ya I like to think of it as creation myth fanfic.
Although something is a myth, it doesn't necessarily make it false.
[–]Hereticc 3 points4 points5 points 6 months ago
Please do not try to over think the stories in the bible. They're just shoddily crafted tall tales from the bronze age. Some of our long long dead ancestors must be laughing their asses off right now (not literally).
[–]Jswizzy84 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 months ago
I really can't think of any part of the Bible that was written in the bronze age. The Torah was written 900 BCE and edited up to 500 BCE. The Bronze age ended in 1200BCE. The Hebrews were still Canaanites in the Bronze age and hadn't started started monolatry yet.
the bible may have been written in the iron age, but i think the point is, the stories were old even then.
[–]Jswizzy84 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
how old can stories be that were written in 500bce? They would still be Iron age? The whole idea of the Bible being Bronze age is based on the myth that Moses wrote the torah.
[–]bspielburg 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
The bronze age-iron age boundary varies among cultures.
yea and in the middle east it ended in 1200
I doubt that it ended 812 years ago, as you say.
BCE, you should use context since I already said it ended in 1200BCE in the first comment. It should of been understood.
*should have
Well the point is that the idea that the Bible is from the Bronze age is based on the assumption that Moses wrote it. That's were the Bronze age claim originates from. But even if he did write it, which is not a claim most historians and Bible scholars would make, Jewish tradition places Mose as having lived at the tail end of the Bronze Age around 1300-1200BCE.
[–]farhil -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 months ago
Shoddily crafted?
That's a new low. I would take a lot more than "shoddily crafted tall tales" to convince a large group of people throughout the world to follow it through persecution, death, war, and peace for nearly 2,000 years, and to become the book that has held the place of being the most sold AND read book since it was legally made public by the Catholic Church.
Even if it isn't true, it is definitely a masterful work of art.
I'm willing to bet it's the most sold but least read of all times.
[–]FaithNoMoar 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Sold:Read ratio has to be in the billionths of a percent.
[–]farhil -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago
While you make a good point, you should think of it this way: about 56 million people attend church per week, in the US alone. There are around 325,000 churches in America, so that makes it around 127 people per church. If every sunday, every preacher read the shortest verse in the bible "Jesus wept", that would amount to a cumulative 5,824,000,000 words from the bible read. The second most sold book is 'the little red book' at 900 million copies, and was written 46 years ago. That is 19.5 million copies per year. Some more simple math and logic will tell you that to compete with the smallest verse in the bible being preached once a week, that 19.5 million people will have to read 300 words out of the second most sold book in the world, per year.
I typed all this up on my phone at midnight. If you find any flaws in my math, don't be surprised, and feel free to correct them...
[–]MackLuster77 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
It's a collection of stories that contradict each other all over the place. Many of them were co-opted from previous religions and there are plenty of downright horrific acts throughout the texts.
Look into how the book was actually put together, and then let us know how artful you think it is. The word of an infallible god, assembled my committee.
You think I haven't looked into it? You think I don't know the shit that goes on in it? The way you people are responding to me makes it look like you think I was trying to push my beliefs on you, and then you react with the typical atheist argument. I was saying that the Bible consists of many fascinating stories, whether they are true or not.
Now, give me one example of a contradiction in the bible, and not one of those 'thou shall not murder' and then god killing people. I'm talking about a contradiction between PROVEN history, and the stories in the Bible
Bats aren't birds.
The great flood was an impossibility.
There are two contradictory creation accounts in Genesis.
The book can't even get its own shit straight, and you expect it to match up with real life?
[–]farhil -2 points-1 points0 points 6 months ago
All three of you responses are three of tge most broad examples you could have possibly given.
I could just as easily say that evolution was an impossibility, and have an equally substantial argument as you have right there.
And before you get all enraged that I challenged evolution, it was merely an example. I don't know if it happened or not, I wasn't there, I just believe that it didn't.
Evolution is not a single event that happened in the past, it's an ongoing process.
[–]CDClock -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago
no idea why you're getting downvoted
the bible is a very important part of human history and pretty interesting.
[–]farhil 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Okay, you getting downvoted is even more ridiculous. Downvote me all you want, I complimented the Bible, but this guy is stating fact. If you truly are ignorant enough to believe that the Bible is NOT an important piece of history, speak up now, and show us your idiocy
[–]CDClock 1 point2 points3 points 6 months ago
Neil Degrasse Tyson recommended the bible as one of the books every intelligent person on the planet should read.
I am not religious (or atheist, for that matter) and Christianity couldn't be further from what my individual beliefs are, but anyone who doesn't respect it as a work of art and one of the driving forces behind countless historical events.
The fact it has spawned so much human inspiration, creation, and beauty; war, humanity, humility, pride; innovation and repression; is a beautiful example of the human experience. A piece of Our struggle to understand our place in the world is embodied in one single piece of literature that has existed for thousands of years.
If you really take atheism SO SERIOUSLY that you cannot appreciate that then I feel sorry for you.
[–]Feinberg -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago
Three million Chinese people drink their own urine daily because they believe it improves their health. The fact that people believe it doesn't mean that it's a work of art.
Maybe you should look into things before you use them as an argument, because urine IS good for your health. It is part of your blood filtration system, following the liver. The liver filters out toxins and other things that are bad for your health and excretes them as solid wastes, and then your kidneys filter out nutrients that your body doesn't need at the time, making your urine 95% sterile water, and 5% nutrients.
Aside from that, your comment is completely irrelevant. Nutritional practices aren't often considered a form of art, while fictional writings are.
Maybe you should actually read what I posted before you accuse me of not doing my research. I didn't say urine was bad for one's health. I imagine it could be deadly to one's popularity, but health-wise it's pretty much neutral. When I say these people believe it improves their health, though, bear in mind that we're talking about something between antibiotics and pure magic. It's supposed to cure everything from fungal infections to AIDS and cancer. Realistically, you get greater health benefits from eating a grape once a day.
With regards to art and sales, given the number of people willing to say the Bible the greatest story ever written without ever having actually read it, and the number of people who buy Bibles for the express purpose of handing them out to anyone who passes by, I don't think there's a very strong case to be made that its perceived popularity has more to do with the quality of the prose than the beliefs and interests of the audience. Case in point, Steve Jobs' biography has been in the top three of the New York Times best seller list for 15 weeks running, and it's no Catcher in the Rye. The number of copies a book sells tells you what the general public thinks of a book, and the general public is typically borderline illiterate. The number of copies sold ranks slightly above number of pages as a means to gauge the artistic merit of a book.
[–]datbigfrog -2 points-1 points0 points 6 months ago
that aren't how you reddit...
I can reddit however the fuck I want to. It's the internet, bitch
[–]Memyselfsomeotherguy 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlUgs1o2gcE
[–]darkangelx 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Then we wouldnt find her face in toast duh...
[–]HannPoe 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Virgin birth never was in the original Bible. Kudos to translation mistakes for we having girls crazy towards virginity today.
I think you're mistaking the original prophecy in the Old Testament with the fulfillment of it in the New Testament. The prophecy was supposedly mistranslated from "young girl" to "virgin" and it was wrongfully made to fulfill it. But I think it's very clear in the NT that it was a virgin birth.
Not in a passage I've seen. "Almah" being translated to "parthenos" confused it all.
Yes, that's right. The NT writers mistranslated (although it's controversial) that from the OT.
[–]spinozasrobot 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Because Mary was a hottie. Hey, he may be god, but he ain't dead ya know!
[–]pmk422 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
I though Reddit wasn't going to allow pedophile like statements. Mary was like 14 or 15 when she had Jesus.
"that's ephebophilia, it's different."
[–]datbigfrog 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Rational explanation:WOMAN=MOTE DUST!
[–]klownvin 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
need someone to tell him what to do all the time
[–]ineedaboat 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Dayum! Straight up gangster yo.
[–]zharwood 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
He needed to trace his lineage back to David. Also being made from dust was impossible so they just made up that virgin birth crap
[–]indian_rationalist 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Bootstrapping?
[–]t0met0dance012 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Since Mary was a virgin, that's all it was collecting anyway.
[–]sweetsweetcoffee 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
If able, why not rape?
[–]rogueinsight 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
what the ballsack i posted this a long time ago but it didnt get any upvotes what gives?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Atheists descended from monkeys, Christians descended from dirt.
Sounds about right.
Technically all humans are from dirt because the first organic molecules had to come from inorganic things, maybe one of those inorganic things could have been dirt.
[–]Scanning_lazers 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Answer: God didn't get any for a veeeeeerrrrryyyyy long time.
I mean seriously, what else did he fuck between then and the dawn of time?
[–]jakobwahlberg 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Even god can't resist a good poundin' when presented to it.
[–]iLikeghoulsGreen 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
It wouldn't be much of a story otherwise.
It has to do with allowing humanity the choice to follow God's will. Let me guess. You've never read a catechism.
[–]Feinberg 0 points1 point2 points 6 months ago
Like the rest of the Bible, yes.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 months ago
hahahah. I don't know if you somewhat approve of my comment or think I'm a Christian apologist of sorts, but just to clarify, I am an atheist.
I feel the comment works either way.
[–]idebautte -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 months ago
First of all, you guys do not have the right education on the bible to be making these outrageous slurs about it. Let's say I am saying that gravity is impossible, but I have no education on the laws of physics...does that make me right? What makes you right about what you are saying, when you obviously do not have the correct education on the catholic teachings or the bible. Secondly, the story of Adam and eve is not a historical one, it was written for the people of its time, it is mythological, but it is still taught today because it has universal truths.
[–]Feinberg 2 points3 points4 points 6 months ago
Oh please. The only part of our "education on the bible" that's missing is the part where we believe every word of it unquestioningly. It's a valid question, and just one of many that shows the Bible to be a collection of fairy tales. Second, the story of Adam and Eve was taken literally for thousands of years before science showed it to be hogwash, and then it suddenly became a metaphor. In fact, there are still a few holdouts to this very day who assert that Genesis is the literal truth, and they use the same "You just don't have the right education" argument you're using.
No offense, but it is kind of hard to read your response because of all the grammatical errors( just saying ). Secondly, you did not read my comment thoroughly, I said that it was a myth...this doesn't mean it can't hold some truth. I'm not sure if you understand this but, THE STIRY WAS WRITTEN FOR THE PEOPLE OF IT'S TIME, if we went back in time and tried to explain the creation of man with today's science the people of the past would have no idea what we would be talking about. Another thing is that even though this story is myth it still holds truth. Once again, you obviously don't have the right education to make these statements.
No offense, but it is kind of hard to read your response because of all the grammatical errors( just saying ).
Pray tell, which errors?
Secondly, you did not read my comment thoroughly, I said that it was a myth...
I read your comment thoroughly and responded to it accurately. You say it's a myth. Others who feel they know every bit as much about the Bible consider it to be fact. Generations of people considered it fact, up until the point where science punched it full of holes. The fact that the story suddenly became mythology in some people's estimation doesn't change the fact that people have considered it to be true in the past and still do so, despite the fact that it's nonsensical and displays such a lack of internal cohesiveness that it was clearly laid out by someone who not only wasn't a deity or divinely inspired, but didn't even have skill as a storyteller.
Another thing is that even though this story is myth it still holds truth.
Genesis also holds a lot of propaganda about how and why to subjugate women. I'd be interested to hear what truths you feel are there.
Once again, you obviously don't have the right education to make these statements.
What education would you consider appropriate?
Once again ( sigh ) THE STORY WAS WRITTEN FOR THE PEOPLE OF IT'S TIME, you are obviously taking this story as if it were literal. Tell me of the stories that subjugate women? And I am assuming that you haven't been properly educated on the bible.
1 Timothy 2:13-14 shows the most popular use of Genesis. Your turn.
I don't think any part of Genesis is literal. I do think that it's a story that explains why people shouldn't ask questions and just do as they're told, and it's a story that tells why women shouldn't have any rights. As I explained, whether it was written for the people of its time or whether it was intended to be a tale to last throughout the ages, it is badly written, and clearly propaganda.
So, again, which grammatical errors were making my post so hard to read and what sort of education would you consider appropriate for finding fault with the Bible?
Lol sorry, there were no errors in your grammar. I got confused by the way you ordered a few words. My mistake
Upvote for having the integrity to admit a mistake.
The only reason that the story seems badly written to you is because the fact it is for the people of it's time. Many theologians have translated the story so we can understand it. Although the story was for the people of it's time, this doesn't mean that it holds truths. What part of genesis says people shouldn't have rights?
Another thing is that even though this story is myth it still holds truth. Although the story was for the people of it's time, this doesn't mean that it holds truths.
Although the story was for the people of it's time, this doesn't mean that it holds truths.
Please choose one.
What part of genesis says people shouldn't have rights?
I covered that in my last comment. Women don't get rights because Eve was instrumental in humanity's fall from grace. Now it's your turn to back up your assertion that Genesis holds truths that somehow validate it.
Sorry, I made a typo, what I meant to say was "although the story was for the people of it's time, doesn't mean it can't hold universal truths. One of my numerous examples is as follows:
The Book of Genesis is the first book of the Bible, of the Old Testament. It starts explaining the creation of the universe, as we know it. Adam and Eve were the first humans but they were deceived into eating from the Tree of Knowledge. God had forbidden touching this tree that he had planted in the middle of the Garden of Eden. The act brought the first humans’ fall, their expulsion from paradise. Hence they would be mortals and from then on starts the history of the human race as explained by the tradition of the Hebrew people. Here as stories as told over centuries by wandering poets and tellers, who recall the old tales over campfire in the evening. These stories form the tradition of a people that cared about its origins, its history and that was avid for explanations of why the world was as they perceived. Why were there humans, why were humans mortal, why were there languages and different kinds of people? Venerated stories were repeated and accepted as universal truths by generations.
Genesis talks about the brother feud between Cain and Abel and of the birth of Seth, last son to Adam and Eve. The descendants of Cain and of Seth are enumerated in an attempt to explain the various people in the known world of the Hebrews. The enumeration goes until the flood came. The story of the great flood that destroyed the world is Noah’s story. Noah was the only to survive in the arch with his family and a small selection of all the animals. These stories have reverberations far into the memories of the people of the Tigris and Euphrates region.
With Noah the Book of Genesis tells of the first covenant of God with humans. Yahweh promised to Noah, the just, never to flood the earth again and as a sign of the covenant he drew the rainbow in the skies. The chapter on Noah contains again an enumeration of descendants. Now the list includes potentates and kings of the lands. One of these built the tower of Babel. God destroyed the tower because he saw that humans could do anything they put their mind to. But God created confusion by inventing the different languages. The tale of the tower of Babel is a masterpiece of folklore explanation of the existence of various languages. This was but one explanation of a puzzling fact of life. How many other tales of observation by the people on the strangeness and diversity of their world were lost?
One feels that the stories of the Book of Genesis try to explain anomalies of the world. Why was Egypt a land ruled by only one king? Joseph’s story explains in Hebrew terms and in Hebrew origins the united state. There was a famine in Egypt but Pharaoh through Joseph was prepared for it. Joseph gave food for money. When the money was gone he gave food for livestock and then land for grain and cattle. Thus, the whole country came into Pharaoh’s possession and Egypt became the land of one king, contrary to the political organisation of the Mesopotamian city-states with its various peoples living in the lands of Euphrates and Tigris where also the Hebrews originated. Only the lands of the priests did not go to Pharaoh. Was it priests that wrote the Book of Genesis? Other narratives tried to explain the diversity of the races that lived in the land of the Hebrews. The existence of two major races in Canaan was explained as the descendants of Isaac. Jacob became Israel and the Arabs descended from Ishmael and were consistently called Ishmaelites in Genesis. Many other stories like these must have existed but were probably not recorded in the Bible. The pieces that have come to use are all the more precious because we feel clearly the eager for understanding of the world by an inquisitive people.
I may have missed something, but I didn't see any actual truth in there. That all appears to be fables made up to answer questions that the originators didn't know the answers to. Could you be more specific as to which parts are the truths you mentioned?
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which ones are truths and which ones are myths, or are you keep going to throw them out as you don't need them or someone proves them wrong?
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