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[–]pjhollow 180 points181 points182 points 7 months ago
The difference between the two is that I can literally sign up for the military right now. Maybe 7 people can do what Eli does in the entire world.
The only thing I have in common with Eli is my level of social awkwardness.
[–]Mayans 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Let's all be football players, Team Reddit for the superbowl!
[–]dbroyles 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I am glad this is the top post. I have nothing against soldiers, even have friends who are soldiers, but to complain about something they chose to do just doesn't make sense to me.
[–]c6comp 258 points259 points260 points 7 months ago
This is not WTF.
[–]fuzzyish 41 points42 points43 points 7 months ago
I always forget that I'm in /r/WTF after seeing something like this until I'm reminded by someone like you.
[–]Searth 25 points26 points27 points 7 months ago
And it's definitely politics. (see the sidebar: no politics!)
[–]Cyrilshark 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's definitely exactly what my reaction is...
[–]triforce4392 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
this is also definitely a repost
[–]biffosaur 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Thank baby Jesus this is the top comment, This is just reality for fucks sake
[–]NoNeedForAName 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yeah, too many people seem to think that economics is WTF. In reality, it's been around for quite a while.
[–]cpxh 116 points117 points118 points 7 months ago*
In America, citizens are willing to pay a lot more per person involved for entertainment than they are willing to pay for wars on the other side of the world.
Secondly, people are much more willing to pay for entertainment because they are receiving something tangible and immediate in return.
U.S. citizens are not overly enthusiastic about paying for the current wars because they do not gain anything from them. Without a foreseeable return, people are unwilling to pay for things.
[–]PimpDawg 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
No way. If the entire military complex would be made of up 1,696 players those dudes would make zillions of dollars per year. And that's zillions with a 'z'.
[–]cpxh 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Entertainment is not just football. Music, movies, every other sport, etc.
[–]facestab 72 points73 points74 points 7 months ago
crappy wars they never wanted. People coming home from ww2 had ticker-tape
[–]heygabbagabba 35 points36 points37 points 7 months ago
crappy wars they never wanted
This always amuses me. Bush had a 90% approval rating when Afghanistan started, and 70% when Iraq started. Hell, he was even re-elected after both these wars started. He even campaigned on a 'lets kick some ass' platform, and was chosen by the population as a leader. Seems to me that if no-one wanted these crappy wars, why the fuck did they vote for him??
[–]tarants 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
A 90% approval rating due to 9-11, not invading Afghanistan - "... overall we are struck by the fact that, outside of the large post-September 11 rally, we do not find strong and consistent evidence for the impact of a number of plausible rally events on the change in Bush’s approval". And let's not forget the fact that Bush won the 2004 election by a very slim margin, after losing the popular vote in 2000. So in reality, about 50% (at least) of the country didn't want them.
[–]heygabbagabba 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
Ahem.
[–]FietsPomper 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Did they test on a straight line from texas to newyork or something?
[–]heygabbagabba 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
First audible laughter of the day - well played.
[–]NuclearWookie 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
It's not just Bush. Congress supported the wars overwhelmingly and bipartisanly.
[–]sakanachan 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
To be fair, the vote on the Iraq resolution in the House was 216 ayes and 6 nays on the Republican side, but 82 ayes and 125 nays on the Democratic side. In the Senate, it was (R) 48 aye, 1 nay and (D) 29 aye and 21 nay. That's overwhelming support from the Republicans, but a bit of a squeaker from the Democrats.
Still a steaming pile of shit any way you cut it, though.
[–]icyone 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yes, approval rating is a good measure of unrelated facts. Using this logic, Justin Bieber is the best musician to ever live and the Twilight novels/movies are the best pieces of literature/cinema respectively.
[–]bAZtARd 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Well I think all the peoples in the world would pay more for entertainment than for wars. Why would you even go to war on the other side of the world?
[–]leadhase 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Civil rights.
[–]xaoq 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
Oil.
[–]Chicken-n-Waffles 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
It's not really a war, we weren't attacked. It's a forced conflict to ensure war profiteering and an upper hand on the technological side of conflict.
They're not fighting for our freedoms. The protesters against the erosion of our civil liberties are fighting for our freedoms.
The same congress that budgets these conflicts is the same congress voting to suppress the voice of the people.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Who do you think pays for your wars?
[–]cpxh 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Every citizen who pays taxes.
[–]zanzou 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
In America, On Earth,
FTFY
[–]Daemonicus 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Except that people pay more via taxes, per person, which funds the wars.
[–]Shakedown_1979 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Only in America?
[–]Brotkrumen 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
probably untrue. people in america pay 50% of their taxes just for wars and the war industry. I doubt they pay as much for entertainment.
[–]finalcut19 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
He said "willing." If you don't pay taxes, you go to jail. If you were to give an average American the opportunity to either give the government $60 or to go to some entertainment event, I'm sure a large majority would prefer to go to the event.
[–]schmon 157 points158 points159 points 7 months ago
apples and oranges
[–]BulletBilll 27 points28 points29 points 7 months ago
Unless we turn war into a sporting event.
[–]Scatman_Crothers 28 points29 points30 points 7 months ago
Or sports into a warring event.
"Manning launches a bomb down the sideline and... BOOM it takes out half the Patriots secondary."
"Wow Al, talk about an explosive play. Manning's really got some weapons at his disposal on that offense. As you can see here he guides that bomb in with laser-guided accuracy."
[–]sporkinatorus 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Brilliant.
[–]Theedon 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Cats and Dogs
[–]iamjakt 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
...living together...mass hysteria. -Peter Venkman
[–]Theedon 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yup, you got it. ;)
[–]PotatoMomo 60 points61 points62 points 7 months ago
The football player's money comes from individuals and companies. Its freely given. As it is often called a free country, you should be aware that people have the choice to give their money to whoever they choose for whatever goods and services they choose. This includes millions of dollars to these men to play with a ball. However, people have no choice about how much they pay in taxes, and who gets their money once its taken. You shouldn't have joined the army if you did it for the money.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
You do not want to live in a country where we have military 'victory parades' all the time. Seriously.
[–]cincyfan04 39 points40 points41 points 7 months ago
I seem to remember going to a few Veterans Day and Memorial Day parades. Not to mention Fourth of July parades where soldiers always get a standing ovation. Just sayin'.
[–]trollsometimes 22 points23 points24 points 7 months ago
you're not "just saying," you're clearly saying this to elicit some sort of response from people. fucking hate it when people use the phrase "just saying."
[–]straight_whiskey 44 points45 points46 points 7 months ago
This is fucking stupid and you should feel bad for being so arrogant. I don't know if you were still in diapers or not when the war started but when the first wave of soldiers finally got their leave to come home we had parades all the time, an the same still happens today. So before you try and make a point like this maybe you should stand in the airports or on the side of the road for hours waiting for them, make signs they can see when they pass, help them with their bags while they hug their families. Do that shit and then talk about how we don't care for our soldiers. It's disgraceful what you just said and as I mentioned before your should feel bad for your short sightedness because you obviously have a lot to learn about the soldiers who fight the wars and the people who support them.
[–]EightWhiskey 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
As we have kindred usernames, sir, and I agree with your post, you shall receive an upvote.
[–]vendablesoul 29 points30 points31 points 7 months ago
$1.283 trillion for military operations since 9/11
$422 billion for U.S Entire Sports Industry 2011 Season
Sports Industry Overview http://www.plunkettresearch.com/sports-recreation-leisure-market-research/industry-statistics
Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11 http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
[–]contspeel 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Are you really comparing 10 years of cost to 1 year of cost?
[–]Titaniumtyrant 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Actually, there was a parade.
[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 7 months ago
This would be more powerful if we forcibly drafted soldiers and quarterbacks.
[–]jeb_the_hick 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
Exactly. Nobody forced you to enlist and then re-enlist.
[–]bjornuntuit 19 points20 points21 points 7 months ago*
We do draft quarterbacks.
[–]IbidtheWriter 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
This is /r/wtf where we don't post wtf material and nothing is funny.
[–]sailfaster 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
/r/spacedicks, the real WTF
[–]almightyzentaco 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
The reason there is such a discrepancy in pay is because of leverage.
A professional sports Athlete is a rare commodity. He has rare skills which bring in millions of dollars for an industry - and so he has leverage to make a huge paycheck. He affects millions, and so he makes millions.
While the solider's job is probably much harder, and definitely more dangerous - he is an average man who has been trained to do a job. A job that if he wasn't willing to do the government would fill by drafting new soldiers.
Meaning he has little to no leverage. And so doesn't make nearly as much.
[–]Apoffys 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
"When I got home, there was no parade for me."
Which would imply that American soldiers don't get enough respect. Which is bloody insane; you lot worship your precious troops.
I visited my brother when he was over there on a NATO exchange program once, and it was unbelievable how much smoother everything went once they saw his military ID. Half the stores we visited had special discounts (significant ones too) for anyone with a military ID as well.
[–]JCongo 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Also, they regularly use a $100,000 missile/bomb to kill 2 people hiding in a ditch.
[–]Anders_A 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Why would you parade people who make a living killing humans?
[–]Xervicx 19 points20 points21 points 7 months ago
The NFL generates millions of dollars for the economy. The players responsible for the actual point of NFL are amounted to a few.
Military uses up more resources than it gains and provides in return. The members of these teams are in massive numbers.
So you expect the numerous members of the second group to earn more than the first? Your logic is flawed.
[–]neozeed 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
Don't worry Halliburton/Exxon are happy for your job well done.
[–]jjalsop 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
Then choose another job, idiot.
[–]heresyourhardware 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
You leave Eli alone.
[–]CVBrownie 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
The other day I heard someone on the radio explain that while we think the salaries for these players are outrageous, they actually generate the money they earn.
Jersey sales, ticket sales, concession sales...and if they win a championship it brings an unfathomable amount of money to the team.
I'm a huge sports fan, but even I used to question the $150 million dollar contracts slung around like nothing now a days. After they justified it on the radio....I get it.
[–]xXDGFXx 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
well, the thing is... the guy on the left won a meaningless, yet entertaining, game that people enjoyed. guy on right killed several people. doesn't matter the reason, there are people that have died and celebrating a victory while thousands lay there in the ground just doesn't sit right.
of course, this doesn't mean i support throwing a parade for a meaningless game where people throw a ball around, run around, and throw the ball again...
[–]paulwithap 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Meaningless to you. Being from Wisconsin, I can tell you that football makes a lot of people's lives slightly less depressing.
[–]GALACTUSEATEROFWORLD 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
If this stupid as fuck "soldiers need to be paid as much as footballers" thing from England becomes a trend here, I will murder the shit out of every one of you.
[–]GALACTUSEATEROFWORLD 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I will murder you HARD.
[–]b_sleazy 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
As former military who served overseas, I disagree with this post. Firstly, I was just glad to get home and be with the fam, no parade needed. Im willing to bet most soldiers are the same way. Secondly, the world shouldn't have to stop just because I'm away at war. I chose military, Eli chose football and has become a hero to many people for whatever reason. Granted I would love to be a Super Bowl QB, future HOF'er too, but I'm glad of the life Ive chosen and don't believe it's accurate to think America is a place that chooses celebrities over soldiers. Everyone wants recognition for their accomplishments, but I'm not gonna get bent out of shape if they're not recognized on a national level.
[–]SniperGX1 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Not really the same thing at all. I want the QB playing football. I don't want the soldier invading sovereign nations under the guise of "protecting freedom". Don't volunteer to do a job I don't want you doing to begin with then complain about me not paying you enough to do it.
[–]Nordoisthebest 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Hmm, well do football players kill people? Should we automatically respect people because they serve our government?
[–]divine_metaphysics 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
Yeah, cause when someone travels 6000 miles, kills a few people and comes back home, they totally deserve a gold sticker or two.
[–]movlag -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 months ago
It's not that black and white.
[–]divine_metaphysics 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
I think it is. State-sanctioned murder is nonetheless murder. Regardless of your stance on the war, a soldier is someone who is doing their job and being properly compensated for it. Why should they receive extra recognition for violating a person's basic right to life?
[–]finalcut19 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
I think movlag is saying that it's not black and white in terms of soldiers going to foreign places and killing people. Very few soldiers actually see action and kill people, to my understanding.
[–]movlag 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
I am. I don't want parades for quarterbacks or soldiers. These wars were shit all around. But no matter how you see things you can't sum everything up with some cheesy line about gold stickers.
[–]DJCapacity 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Thank you. This cannot be emphasized enough. Murder should never be praised
[–]czhang706 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Its not murder if its soldier on soldier. This is a fact of humanity.
[–]Nexusmaxis -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago*
State-sanctioned murder is nonetheless murder
no it's not
I know this may sound pedantic to you, but this is in fact an important distinction. Murder is defined as "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."
While you could call war somewhat "premeditated" (though I would argue that most people choose to take up arms, and those that are civilian casualties are simply unlucky are not premeditated 99% of the time), it is not "unlawful" by any western nations standards (including that of groups such as the UN).
You clearly seem to have a moral apprehension to war, which is fine. Though, to claim it is so simple as "violating a person's basic right to life" is bordering on childish naivety.
Make no mistake, the taliban were (and still are) ruthless dictators over the lands they control(led). Back in the 90's they would have frequent public beheadings and shootings for things like adultery or blasphemy (if you don't believe you can read this). I would be hard pressed to say that they valued a person right to live more than your typical U.S soldier.
Now that does not get into the realistic idea that the U.S is not/should not be the world police, though that didn't seem to be what you were arguing against.
[–]RagTagScallywag 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
One is paid to kill, occupy, dominate and take control of natural resources that belong to someone else. Does that deserve treatment like a hero? Does that merit a ticker-tape parade, except maybe in the fiery inferno of hell?
Eli beat the Patriots twice in the super bowl. I'd like to see a soldier try that.
But in reality, pay is determined by skill. There's only a handful of people who can do the job Eli can, while the same can't be said for soldiers
[–]RoaringBlood 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
38,000 a year is above average for military pay. I was a Corporal with four years in and I only made about 22,000. That might not seem like much but when you factor in free food, housing, etc it's not so bad.
[–]w1ll1amz 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Look I understand the point you're trying to make here. Our army risk their life for stupid old politicians and people who run around on a field with a ball get 10000x more. BUT there's only a handful of people in the world who can do what the sportsmen do at with that level of skills. This makes them rare & unique. Think supply and demand. There's not a lot of people in the world with there talent, so they get a fuck load of money. Nearly anybody can pull the trigger on a gun as I'm sure we know. So that would cap most people out for minimum wage salary. Give them some training like most jobs these days and wham, we're up to army salary (with danger money).
TL;DR: world's a fucked up place. if the politicians want to go to war there should be a nation wide vote & anybody who votes yes has to go into battle, no matter there age.
[–]NuclearWookie 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The dude on the left created millions of dollars of wealth in multiple industries. The dude on the right was paid minimum wage to do the dirty work that Reddit so despises.
[–]Kurskovich 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
It's easy, just televise/sportify war.
[–]idizzu 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
i disagree. I'm against all kinds of war. Peace!
[–]Sramone 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This isn't WTF. And also i hope your joking, why aren't soldiers paid 9million a year? because there is no money made in war and there are potentially hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Meaning that the cost of war would be MUCH larger. The only thing i can agree with on this picture is the parade statement, soldiers definitely deserve a parade. And cake, plenty of cake.
[–]snizarsnarfsnarf 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This will probably be buried but I do want to put this out there..
If you wanted to, could you go to your nearest army recruitment center and just apply and join the army right now? Yes.
If you wanted to, could you go join an NFL team, play as a quarterback in the NFL, and win multiple super bowls? No.
[–]test_alpha 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yeah, but if you buy an "I support the troops" bumper sticker, then you're helping to line the pockets of some bumper sticker CEO while they exploit workers in China to make them. The rabid nationalism that you have become a part of also helps to blind voters to the real issues and allows leaders to get into more wars and send more of your children off to die in desolate shitholes over the other side of the world.
[–]dmbrown41 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
actually you have 2 parades a year - memorial day and veterans day...
[–]LanceCoolie 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Iraq vet here. This comparison is retarded for so many reasons, and mainly serves to make people feel good about "supporting the troops" when they post it on Facebook. It's the meme equivalent of sticking a yellow ribbon on your car.
[–]azmerod 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I'm a veteran and I fully endorse punching other veterans in the face who post this bullshit.
[–]IDST 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Not many countries throw parades for hired killers. This is not WTF.
[–]Twisted_Fate 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
All of them do, actually.
[–]Juus 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Imagine if soldiers werent paid anything, only living arrangements, no one would want to be a soldier, and we would have no wars. Perfect.
[–]HAsash 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Nobody forces soldiers to go and kill people. FUCK THEM
[–]BristolShambler 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Whilst i agree with the sentiment, i currently consider a salary of $38,000 to be unimaginable riches.
[–]why_is_this_in_wtf 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
WHY IS THIS IN WTF?
[–]Red76 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This isn't quite accurate. If he enlisted right after high school, a 32 year old would have 14 years in. At that point he would be an E-6, give or take one advancement level. That is $41,952 a year in just base pay. People get confused about base pay, they think it's the total salary. It's not.
Now add his housing/BAH in, which is non-taxable income. BAH is based on zip code. If he's single, it could be anywhere from $800 to $1800 a month. If he's married, it's even more. Now add in all the little allowances. Clothing, BAS/seprats, sea pay, hazardous duty pay, etc (depending on what he qualifies for). Reenlistment bonuses, add those in (we've gotten two so far, both 5 figures, but they are hard to come by now). Free medical for him and his family, you can put your own value on that but I'd say it's worth at least $200 a month. And so on.
I'm a military spouse and I'd love to see more income. The job is shitty and I think it deserves more pay. But we're not exactly struggling on the salary like people think.
Sources- BASE military pay chart-: http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp BAH Calculator: http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/bahCalc.cfm
[–]DeuceActual 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I wish I could upvote this more than once. I've got bits of shrapnel in my spine (that shit is never coming out) and all I get is a check for $250 in the mail once a month.
[–]buttez 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
maybe the soldier would get paid more if he would just stop murdering people
[–]Shazamicide 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I'm an 8 year vet and I gotta say..
..would you want the military to become that? Honestly. Would you want to get offered endorsements? Money? Have fake people tell you how amazing you are 24/7 and then belittle you when you pray in front of the cameras? Would you?
I learned something about being a soldier when I was rucking around the mountains in Afghanistan.. and that is to be a quiet professional. I didn't ask for much more than simply respect because I didn't need flamboyance to feel good about what I was doing.
[–]mikehart526 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
38k a year my ass. Look at the nontaxable combat pay, Housing allowance, and other nontaxable pay and assuming at 34 he has 14 years in and whether he has dependents he makes closer to 90k a year. As a former Airman in the USAF it pisses me off to see people bitch about the amount of money military members get payed. I make 38k a year in the civilian sector and I'm barely getting by with a wife and 4 kids(one i pay 600 a month in child support) but when I was an A1C I made 26k-ish a year according to my taxes and I never wanted for money because i had a home that had all utilities paid, a commissary to shop at for close to a 10-20% discount compared to off base stores and every other little perk and discount given to the military.
Don't get me wrong, the military very much deserves every little bit of support and money they earn but a member with 4 tours of duty and probably around 14 years of service makes far more than 38k a year when you add it all up.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Both do a fucking job and get paid for it. Neither of them deserve to be glorified for "protecting the country" or "being a great athlete". They do a job, get paid, and need to shut the fuck up and quit pandering for praises. Chances are you joined the marines because you had no other direction in life, just like most people in armed forces. You have to put yourself in harms way? Well perhaps you should have thought a little more about your future when you were younger and quit acting like a fucking moron in the back of the classroom while everyone else was trying to read. That's what happens when you grow up, the choices you make have bigger consequences. Now if you joined because you truly love America and want to defend it, props to you, and thanks, but chances are you were just a misguided youth with no other options. I'm not going to thank you for your service or suck your balls because you fucked around and didn't have enough sense to plan a future for yourself when you were younger. Also, Eli is the top quarterback playing football in the nation. Are you the best marine in the nation? No? then shut the fuck up, because you don't deserve what Eli has. Eli didn't wake up when he was 17 and realize he had no direction in life and decide to go play in the NFL, but chances are that's exactly what you did to become a marine. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. He planned for his future, and he became the best at what he does.
[–]Darktidemage 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
one thing is incredibly hard to do and entertaining.
the other thing is incredibly easy, anyone can sign up and do it, and it's horrible.
[–]ShatterStorm76 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
If every country only had a couple dozen soldiers, and each solider was in the forces for under a dozen years and their every exploit was publicized ... THEN I could see each individual solider being paid millions and adored by the masses.
However there are thousands of soldiers, everyone regrets the need for soldiers and their work is largely not in the public spotlight unless they do something wrong... so Why should people "celebrate" soldiers ?
Because they lay their lives on the line and/or protect people ? So do EMS workers.
Because they keep the nation safe ? So do diplomats and politicians.
Soldiers aren't special, they do a (fairly) unique job, but they aren't special.
[–]Tarkaan 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
One of these people murdered another country's families and soldiers in an illegal war based on lies and imperialism. I'm just saying...
[–]toddwdraper 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
There are about 30-50 people in the world who can do what Manning does, and arguably only 5 or so who can do it on his level.
[–]MJZMan 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Meanwhile, Jay Z and Lil Wayne are laughing their motherfucking no talent asses off.
[–]StraightfromSTL 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
St. Louis definitely had a welcome home troops parade, and theyre in the works in multiple other cities. Not that it makes much difference, though
[–]atlacatl 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
The guy on the right should be playing football. I think he did it all wrong.
[–]makgzd 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Life expectancy for men is roughly 71 years old (ABC, 2007) on the low end. Life expectancy for a football player is roughly 59 (SeattlePi, 2008) on the high end. Now, I'm dealing with conservative figures just to prove a point here.
Assuming that, on average, a football player lives 12 years (71 minus 59) less than the average man, we can reasonably say that a football player knowingly sacrifices 16.9% of his potential life.
If 16.9% of people that enlist (or, roughly 1 in 6) are killed in combat, I can see this STARTING to make sense as an argument. But this doesn't even account for the money GENERATED by football players as opposed to money SPENT on soldiers.
Football players = merchandising = $$$
Soldiers = Uniforms, Weapons, Training, Food = Debt
Don't get me wrong, I love the troops. They willingly fight so that I don't have to and that's something I am grateful for. But from an economic standpoint, your post is sensationalist and economically unrealistic.
Somewhat Reliable Sources (at least good enough for r/wtf):
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/life-expectancy-men-outpacing-women-study/story?id=13850055#.TziwwCOLapI
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/New-NFL-goal-A-longer-life-1272886.php
[–]coolguy696969 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yes, because we can't celebrate anything, unless it's related to soldiers.
Liking sports, being excited when your team wins and paying athletes who worked their ass off to get where they are excessive amounts of cash in order to sell tickets and merchandise isn't bad just because there are soldiers out in a war.
And soldiers DO get parades, and often at that.
[–]Ididerus 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Eli trained his whole life to get to where he is. He is the apparently the best quarterback of the best team in a multi-billion dollar entertainment franchise.
You couldn't afford college and are a cog in the wheel of a massive machine. You get a pretty decent salary, free health care and a lifetime of benefits.
and don't give me no lip, I did my service as well.
[–]clickityclank 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This is fucking dumb. Any person in reasonable health can become an army grunt.
You provide a service that almost nobody else can? take home the money.
You provide a service that almost anybody can? Don't complain about your wage.
[–]2brainz 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Maybe, instead of paying murderers to kill people on the other side of the world, you should think about sending murderers to prison like everybody else does. And while you're on it, release all those harmless drug addicts and random black people from prison, to make more room for murderers.
The thought that anyone who's job is killing "enemies" is considered a hero disgusts me.
[–]wlfbck 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Because killing people is not heroic.
[–]weisass 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I hate seeing posts like this. The same banner waving beer guzzling patriots that make this country awful in the first place are the same fucks who stand fully behind both of these American traditions. Shut the fuck up about how little respect and money soldiers get because half of them are only there to pull the trigger (same as cops) and they all know full well it's a low paying low respect job. For fucks sake think of all the kids you went to high school with that became soldiers because of how fucked they were. The only wtf an this post is that people even give a fuck enough to repost this pathetic drivel. Doesnt anyone know its not 1945 anymore and no one gives two shits about soldiers? Go fuck yourself 1000 times for posting this. And fuck Eli Manning.
[–]Bendrake 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I understand economically why it is the way it is, but it still makes my stomach churn.
[–]found314 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I'd buy the soldier a beer... I'd expect the quarterback to buy me one.
That's how I'd do things.
[–]osufan765 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
HOLY SHIT WHO CARES
[–]Aear 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Except one KILLS PEOPLE for a living and the other is an entertainer.
Make war a reality show (if you haven't already) and you'll get all the perks.
[–]Tendious 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I find it absolutely fascinating how much Americans care about sports, particularly college sports.
[–]BBQPENGUIN 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
football players are paid by a private company. it would be more like the private company academi.
[–]McHomans 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Don't worry. They're looking at cutting our benefits too. Budget cuts you know.
[–]kicklecubicle 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The interesting thing is that sports are a socially acceptable microcosm of war.
[–]Dr_Raff 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Is the point that while anyone can join the Army, only one person can be the winning quarterback at the superbowl? I'm sure the 11 best soldiers in the World get some sort of recognition.
[–]posterlove 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I bet you, if the installed cameras and had commentary on live action warfootage, you'd see the exact same salaries in soldiers.
Fortunately they don't.
[–]ElToroNegro 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Difference in Sponsorship Sports - Comercial War - Corporation
[–]workworkwort 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
38k?! Damn son guess who's joining the Army!
[–]AutoEuphoria 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago*
Nobody pays to watch battles. Not saying it's right, but players' salaries are directly related to how much money they bring in with ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc. If people weren't spending the money to go see them play or buying their jerseys, then they wouldn't get paid as much.
They get endorsements because companies know that consumers will tend to buy products that seem to be given the seal of approval by people they recognize.
In the end, it all comes down to the consumer.
It's also a numbers game. The NFL generates around $10-$15 billion a year. There are around 20,000 people working under the NFL name. That is around $7.5 million per person. We have almost 3 million troops in the US. The defense budget is north of $663 billion, but a lot of that goes to things outside of troop salaries (bullets, armor, planes, upkeep, missiles, fuel, etc). Even if ALL of that money went to troops, it'd still only be around $225,000 per person. The defense budget would have to be higher than $22 trillion to pay our troops the same amount, and that is with nothing left over to buy anything else (all going to troop salaries).
[–]Marcob10 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Pretty much any profession would have that effect compared to such professional athlete. Throw in an American soldier for added effect.
[–]BankstersUnited 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Hmm, "Im in entertainment and entertain millions" vs "Im a murderer who senselessly slaughter civilians by the thousands"... Yea I don't see why they shouldn't be treated equally.
[–]avar1ce 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The guy on the left makes the population forget about what the guy on the right is doing, that's why he is paid that much.
[–]Coffman34 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Oh yeah. My hometown threw a parade for the punter of the Giants. Beat that!
http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/parade-planned-for-weatherford
Edited for source.
[–]formerly_LTRLLTRL 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Reddit: castigates military when convenient, glorifies military when convenient.
[–]maninthemass 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Î'm so haapy we don't war.
[–]redditspice 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I highly doubt anyone has ticker tape. It was probably just confetti.
[–]reallyracist 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
reasons why this is irrelevantly stupid: 1) that soldier is black, 2) eli manning made $7 million in endorsements last year, 3) that soldier is black.
[–]cionn 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
probably because quaterbacks dont bomb wedding parties
[–]troll-up 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The problem with America! I refuse to support any professional sports team, or watch any whiney actor win self-generated frivolous awards.
[–]Asilium 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The primary thing I have against this post... the soldier CHOSE to be a soldier... soooo there is really no complaining about it. Also, should he expect to be the only person that wanted to be part of the military recognized for his valor? No.. there are over 300,000 troops deployed (by the USA) over seas and over 1 million on active duty (reference)... that's why we have the holiday called "VETERANS' DAY"... people REALLY need to start thinking out their posts a little more. Soldiers deserve respect, but we can't idolize each and everyone of them individually. :/ If you know someone that has served, give them your respect and adoration. They did choose to protect you. That's the best they should expect from society if they're modest.
[–]kadeebe 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The NFL generates millions and millions of dollars with all their television deals, merchandising, etc. The amount of players that are involved plus the coaches and staff amount to nothing when compared to the number of active duty troops. That's why the first group gets so much more. Not all of the money given to the military goes into troop pay anyway.
[–]aveceasar 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The dude on the left does things people are willing to pay for watching. The dude on the right does things people are forced to pay for, and are forbidden to watch.
[–]msingerman 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Make sure you wear that $300 authentic NFL jersey when you go to the tea party protest against raising taxes to provide better services and pay for soldiers and veterans, America.
[–]jesuswasapirate 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The exact thing could be said about any job. they get paid shitty, they arent famous. As someone in the armed forces I dont want publicity. I didnt join the army to be famous. I make enough money to survive.
[–]Arrested-Smokie 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It kind of is WTF, the human race is still a fucking baby.
[–]loercase 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
In most developed nations sport is rapidly replacing religion as the opiate of the masses. In the USA, they now have two, sweet, sweet opiates.
[–]Belaires 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Why would we praise either one?
[–]DivinusVox 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It's funny because any member of the military is worshiped as a deity in the United States.
[–]bannedfromtheroxy 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It's harder to get in the NFL than the army.
[–]dopebob 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
footballers don't kill people
[–]boxxa 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I have a lot of respect for the military but over all, the ground troops possess no real life skills which put them into the military which in turn, results in there being a large number of people who typically join the military because they have no other options. Being a professional athlete is a very rare position to hold and no anyone can just go sign up and compete at the level they do.
[–]Sentence55 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
more like: how things are done pretty much everywhere
[–]BrohemianRhapsody 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Salary is in no way determined by a moral standard or a projected worth of a job. It is 100% decided by you monetary worth to whoever is paying you. Big name NFL stars get paid millions of dollars because they bring in millions and millions more. Counting merchandise sales, ticket sales, product endorsements, etc, Eli Manning is theoretically underpaid. People are paid how much they are worth. The higher the supply of labor (soldiers) the lower their wages will be. The higher the demand for a position (NFL star) the higher the wages will be. I'm sorry, but this is basic business economics.
[–]Spiro_Agnew 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
We don't have to give those motherfuckers a parade anymore. They volunteered to do that job, they knew what they were getting into. If you people start all this Vietnam boo-hoo I got spat on bullshit again, I'm going to be pissed off.
[–]marrakoosh 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Can you not find a company who WILL endorse a soldier or regiment?
[–]cleverascal 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
OH HEY COOL YOU SUBMITTED FACEBOOK COPYPASTA
[–]The-Dudemeister 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Not to be a dick - but to be fair, any one can joint the military. Very few are winning superbowl MVPs. Also I'm sure his salary isn't including hazard pay plus other bonuses and benefits. My brother is in the Navy and has cleared 100k doing tours.
[–]afsdjkll 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
What do you think should happen?
[–]douglasr007 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Armymen get endorsements. It's called the GI bill, a nice pay table thanks to the Defense Finance and Accounting Service provided by the Department of Defense, and when you get old you have the Department of Veteran Affairs.
[–]tiffanydisasterxoxo 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
NFL players don't kill anyone. Soldiers do. Soldiers volunteer for war, they offer to kill people to "protect" their country. NFL player just make people happy playing a sport.
[–]SSJSwagger 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
This isn't WTF. This is something you'd see a butthurt armyfag post on Facebook.
[–]munge_me_not 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I do not agree with this. I was in the military and this is not a comparison I would make.
[–]Yeeegz 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
[–]Fausto1981 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
the player doesn't kill anyone nor invade any country.
[–]jp007 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Yes, lets celebrate and pay our killers of foreigners more.
[–]illuminerdi 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
All the money that could have been spent on throwing parades and increasing troop salaries was, sadly, spent on yellow magnetic ribbons.
[–]desquibnt 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
People are paid based on how much money they bring into an organization.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
One person entertains millions, the other shoots up a school and kills 20 kids to get maybe one bad guy.
[–]CasedOutside 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
That's the free market baby.
[–]ab529235 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
"I took the time to practice and train in order to become one of the elite quarterbacks, knowing full when the benefits it would eventually bring." "I decided not to practice or train for anything with a high income, nor to try to earn a degree, choosing instead to join the military, knowing full well the pay was shit and my life would be miserable."
[–]easye7 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Were soldiers told they were going to paid millions and get parades?
[–]joyfield 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
One guy kills as a job and the other entertain. I think the priority is right here.
Yeah, and I wish we could pay soldiers even less.
even better, if you put a football player into Iraq, his own men will shoot him to death and further confuse the clusterfuck that is american celebrity logic!
[–]PicopicoEMD 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I don't think killing people deserves any kind of gratitude.
[–]G1az3d 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I think this is the first time I saw something on Facebook before I saw it posted on Reddit. Something strange is going on here guys...
[–]WolfJess 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
well... my dad got a ticker-tape parade soo...
[–]andyjonesx 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
And instead of going to the cinema, I wish I lived in a country where they just showed 90 mins of names and pictures of people in that work for the country.
TV can't be quite as special though, they should maybe just spend the time dedicated to showing the highest tax payers funding the country.
They should get rid of all sports activities and dedicated the old stadiums to statues of people that drive ambulances, and doctors.
This will hopefully put anyone in the entertainment business out of the job, and then they can do something worthwhile like join the army. With a surge in new recruits we could hopefully put them to use in other wars, and then maybe they can get their fame and money fairly, and one day hope to be in one of the 90 minute films of army peoples names.
[–]tambrico 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Why is this in WTF?
[–]Plagueology 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Does no one else prefer neither? I find it hypocritical when people can bash the entertainment industry for bleeding us dry and praise war and violence.
Why don't we instead, focus our money on education? Oh yeah, because there's no money in that. Never mind.
[–]SteveScagbaron 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Can't have a parade for a soldier these days because protesters would protest it and it would be ugly
[–]BenTG 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
number of SB-winning quarterbacks vs. number of service men/women
[–]Sibilantjoe 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
This belongs in /r/politics.
[–]LiteweightPhenomenal 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
He probably didn't get a parade because his codename was Negative Nancy
[–]i_forget_my_userids 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
THIS IS NOT WTF
[–]kgmoome 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Eli Manning also got a new whip.
[–]myrpou 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Sorry non-american here, no military parades? what? ive seen loads of them on tv and i thought you even had a special day for celebrating the military?
[–]seafoamstratocaster 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
How everyone does things everywhere.
[–]crunch816 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Except one is an extremely talented individual that trained to get where he is...the other is a volunteer
[–]jutct 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Football is entertainment. War isn't. The masses want entertainment. The masses do not want war.
[–]ns29 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Its really a matter of economics. When you look at how exclusive the position of NFL quarterback is, then look at how practically anyone can be in the army, it comes down to supply and demand. The skill set required to be a quarterback is far more rare then a standard soldier.
[–]locked_in_the_trunk 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Look at the money spent by the USA in order to kill people. But universal health care - no way in hell the government is funding any of that
"If we can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people" - Tony Benn
[–]quitefunny 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Also there is a janitor out there cleaning your poops and working for 15,000 a year (and no parade!) That automatically make him the winner.
Oh, except for that homeless paraplegic.
[–]Dolewhip 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
And yet, both these guys made conscious decisions to enter their respective fields. Cry me a river. This is apples and oranges you fucking idiot.
[–]CrayonOfDoom 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
You forgot the "I willfully murder people" on the right hand side.
[–]Tyronebiggim 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
pretty much anyone can join the army...
if you trained your entire life to do what Eli does, you still wouldn't be able to do it...
just saying..
[–]BroboCop3 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
People pay money to watch sports, not war.
[–]applesforadam 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The soldier makes about $38,000 a year too much. Also not r/WTF material. Isn't there a subreddit for people who have "Support the Troops" ribbon stickers on the backs of their cars?
[–]KDIZZLL 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
As if being in the Military is admirable, we're not fighting for freedom and we're not fighting terrorism, our Military is securing resources for globalists and killing and dying in the process, it's just one big satanic mass blood sacrifice for these globalists.
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