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[–]dontmutemeplz 104 points105 points ago

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[–]MFchimichanga 86 points87 points ago

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Even worse

[–]OmegaArcadia 31 points32 points ago

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I know. Now what hope do I have to become a white guy!?

[–]the_underscore_key 3 points4 points ago

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you could always pull a michael jackson! Although I don't think asian skin does that.....

[–]AmIKawaiiUguuu 1 point2 points ago

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brb acquiring a taste for young marshmellowy boys....

[–]the_underscore_key 0 points1 point ago

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.....I don't even know what to think

[–]marvelous_molester -1 points0 points ago

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I disagree, looking down on a race is worse than looking down on a sexual preference.

[–]bwmcmaste 26 points27 points ago

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Please explain this to me, as I genuinely don't understand your argument.

[–]marvelous_molester 10 points11 points ago

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It's not really an argument, just an issue of values. I assumed that the person who said "Even worse" was insinuating that the actual meaning was worse than the parody, meaning discrimination based on sexual orientation is worse than discrimination based on race. I feel that it is worse to discriminate based on race than on sexual orientation. Maybe I misunderstood what chimchanga was saying, either way, there wasn't really any kind of argument, sorry if i worded too strongly.

[–]llamagoelz 6 points7 points ago

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i think the question was WHY do you think its worse?

[–]marvelous_molester 12 points13 points ago

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Homosexuals and bisexuals are discriminated when they are open about their sexuality. When people are discriminated based on race, they are immediately discriminated against, with no doing on their part. Both are bad, but there is less control in regards to race.

[–]Murrabbit 2 points3 points ago

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Right, but the only reason not to be open is because of discrimination. How is someone being too damn afraid to acknowledge their desires or date, or have any chance of say ever getting married or the like better? The discrimination and self-hatred is definitely there when one is closeted.

[–]Buyn 7 points8 points ago

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What about people who pass? I'm sure there are people who pass for white who get treated differently after they tell people they aren't white/completely white. Discrimination is Discrimination, no matter how you paint it, it's still crap.

[–]FappingAsYouReadThis -1 points0 points ago

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I'm sure there are people who pass for white who get treated differently after they tell people they aren't white

ಠ_ಠ Discrimination doesn't only happen towards minorities.

[–]Buyn 0 points1 point ago

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But is most often shown that way. ಠ_ಠ

[–]llamagoelz 1 point2 points ago

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i suppose i see your point but i wouldnt exactly say that what you pointed out makes racism WORSE... theres gotta be a better word... maybe ill edit it in if i think of one

[–]justskidding 1 point2 points ago

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Let's not do the oppression olympics thing. They all suck.

[–]khedoros 1 point2 points ago

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So, it's worse because they're discriminated against when they don't hide who they are. Gotcha.

[–]oodunkin 2 points3 points ago

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this is complete rubbish. you have just as much control over sexuality as you do your skin tone. they're both genetic, and even worse gays are still being KILLED BY LAW for being who they are in 3rd world countries. so yes, you may be able to hide it but the psychological damage that comes with that is just as horrible as death.

[–]marvelous_molester 1 point2 points ago

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you have no control over your sexuality, but you have control of whether or not you disclose your sexuality. with race, disclosure is uncontrollable and unavoidable.

[–]thenepenthe 3 points4 points ago

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Having to hide who you are out of fear of discrimination and/or harm damages you psychologically. There is no "getting around" anything.

Both are horrible on different levels. It does no good to "rank" them.

[–]closet_superhero 1 point2 points ago

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I don't believe it is genetic...yet. They have found genetic links to lots of things, but no one has scientifically linked homosexuality to certain genes. If it was genetic, then how could it be passed down through genes...? Artificial insemination? That would predispose a child to being gay just because he/she had a gay parent, and I don't think that is the case. In fact, most arguments I have heard say "gay couples should be allowed to have kids too because that doesn't predispose the child to becoming homosexual"

I am not necessarily saying that people choose to be gay, but "gay genes" makes about as much sense to me as calling HIV/AIDS "GRID"

Everyone always wants scientific evidence of a higher power. Why not want scientific evidence of homosexuality NOT being a choice, also?

[–]arcaton_617 1 point2 points ago

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It doesn't have to be specifically coded in genes for it to be "genetic." People are increasingly finding that gene regulation, epigenetics, has a lot to do with expression. Also, many other factors influence gene expression, including temperature during development, which although not necessarily genetic, has huge influence on how genes are expressed during critical periods, thus making a phenotype pretty much permanent. Because the sex-determination period of human development (and I'm guessing this is where a lot of sexual preference comes in, but I don't know for sure) has been found to be regulated by many more factors than just a couple of genes, it seems like a lot of things could happen en-utero that have permanent effects.

[–]byakko 0 points1 point ago

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I think it's more like this:

Say you're (for sake of an example), a gay Chinese man. You meet another person and introduce yourself.

If that person was xenophobic, straight off they could be hostile and discriminatory towards you. You don't even have to interact, the moment that person sees you, he/she hates you.

If he/she was homophobic but not xenophobic, you guys strike up a conversation, and say all goes well. You then say you're gay; and only then does that person turns hostile. So that person actually has interacted with you, even very comfortably and naturally, but the revelation of your sexuality immediately discards any good notions about you that person might have had, because now he hates you.

So it's more like the degree of shallowness of the other guy. It also depends on whether you think straight-off hate with no explanation, or hate from one anecdote is worse.

They're really all jerks though.

[–]jshilk -1 points0 points ago

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I would like to provide the disclaimer that I am for gay rights and against bigotry against them, but I really don't see how someone could say that sexuality is entirely genetically based. It's probably more of a mix of genetics/nurture than anything.

[–]Murrabbit 1 point2 points ago

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Bi dude here. bi twin in fact. I've got an identical twin, same DNA, different preference in sexual partners.

I too am slightly confused by people's confusion of any ascribed biological trait as being "genetic". Then again as an identical twin perhaps I'm just more aware of how many traits we both have no real control over and aren't genetic. The human body and mind are the most complex things in the damn world, there are a good few orders of magnitude of complexity between one's genes and who one is, and plenty of room at other levels for factors completely beyond our conscious control.

[–]oodunkin -4 points-3 points ago

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ya, i never said it wasn't a mix but it is mostly genetics, that's been proven.

[–]found314 3 points4 points ago

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Not sure why you got downvoted here...

Made sense to me

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Yea, my race is totally out of control.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You don't get disowned by your own family for being "racially" different.

Edit: Either way. People are People and neither is worse than the other.

[–]Zarathustraa 0 points1 point ago

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so you think hiding your identity somehow makes you better off instead of being even more alienated?

you're sure bright

[–]bwmcmaste 0 points1 point ago

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Sorry, I was hasty in using the word "argument." I would simply like to know the basis for your position. Simply put: why do you feel that discrimination based on race is worse than discrimination based on sexual orientation?

[–]ZeekySantos 5 points6 points ago

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I don't think either is worse than the other. It's equally bad to look down on race or sexuality. Fuck bigotry.

[–]oodunkin 5 points6 points ago

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well, its pretty much the same thing. i don't see how you could label one worse than the other.

[–]Murrabbit 1 point2 points ago

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Right, in both cases it's just hatred over completely benign ascribed attributes. Neither one is inherently morally wrong in any way, and neither is the result of any conscious choice or effort of any individual, so hating any particular race or sexual orientation is pretty ridiculous.

[–]ProbablyStillLurking 7 points8 points ago

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WHAT THE FUCK. The girl in the banner in that link is Good Girl Gina!

Edit: Just realized someone saw this and already posted below. I suck. Sorry.

[–]tbscotty68 2 points3 points ago

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No, Asians are real.

[–]FredFnord 0 points1 point ago

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This billboard was shortly after Photoshoped

That's been up for five or six years, and they still haven't learned how to spell. That's sad.

[–]Murrabbit 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, truth ministries stick it ti gay people not, Asians. GEEZE!

[–]Maveric1984 0 points1 point ago

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Hijacking; be creative and help out with filling out some fun details in the contact us

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points ago

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It's shopped. Sadly though the Truth Ministry is real and based in my town.

[–]sameoldbull 15 points16 points ago

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But Good Guy Gina is on their webpage! Then they must be telling the truth! http://i.imgur.com/hoAS4.png

[–]eddiemoya 5 points6 points ago

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Someone needs to find the source stock image and meme the fuck out of Good Guy Gina

[–]dkmc1721 4 points5 points ago

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Good guy? Lololololol

[–]brubakerp 6 points7 points ago

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It's shopped to point out how absurd the original, "Are you Gay or Lesbian and don't want to be? There is hope for change." is.

Neither of these parts of a person can be changed, no matter how you go about it.

[–]SoundsKindaRapey 6 points7 points ago

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pray the pei a wei.

[–]Lazook 2 points3 points ago

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This has to be shopped.

[–]Theamazinghanna 1 point2 points ago

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It is, but the original is just as bad.

[–]heyithinkiknowthem 2 points3 points ago

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all work no pray.

[–]Quesse 9 points10 points ago

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Even if it is fake, it's a great analogy!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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The real one is (almost?) worst.

[–]Quesse 0 points1 point ago

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Yep, that's why I said it was a good analogy. You can't change your sexual preference any more than you can change your ethnicity.

[–]DOWNVOTES_SYNDROME 6 points7 points ago

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CAN I ALSO PRAY AWAY ALL THE FUCKING REPOSTS???

[–]spoons2020 1 point2 points ago

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being a gamer i can't understand why someone would not want to be asian.

[–]SheriffSilverstar 1 point2 points ago

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You mean "Just play about it"

[–]ponyboy_coitus 1 point2 points ago

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Marcus Bachman can cure them.

[–]ServerGeek 2 points3 points ago

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That can't be real...

[–]lovethismfincountry 2 points3 points ago

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would my wiener size change as well?

[–]magister0 2 points3 points ago

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Who upvotes this obviously fake bullshit?

[–]tx_kitkatbar 0 points1 point ago

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finally! someone who can help me!!

even if it is fake...

[–]Chr1chton 0 points1 point ago

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repost

[–]AgitpropAndApologia 0 points1 point ago

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So then what do you do if you want to become asian?

[–]rmhawesome 0 points1 point ago

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I'm having a flashback to that Pierce Brosnan James Bond where the Koreans get so much plastic surgery they become white

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I personally preferred the diamonds embedded in the face look. Shit, he was whiter as an Asian anyways.

[–]suffer-cait 0 points1 point ago

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what do i do if i want to be more asian?

[–]GrayStudios 0 points1 point ago

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Why wouldn't he use the Capital "A" when photoshopping the word "Asian?" I find that less believable than the message itself.

[–]thisisvienna 0 points1 point ago

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Clearly photoshopped. You can see the blur circles after the word "asian"

[–]speedonthis 0 points1 point ago

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This is despicable. It's shit like this that gives every Christian a bad wrap. Absolutely no one should feel bad for their race, gender, sexual orientation, age or anything else and providing religion of any type as a solution is complete rubbish. I'm fairly certain Jesus would lose his shit over this.

[–]jonaheim88 0 points1 point ago

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this has been photoshoped and spread on the web like wildfire.

[–]Danny_Joe 0 points1 point ago

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Are you seeing reposts but dont want to be?

[–]belverk 0 points1 point ago*

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Truth Ministry... We also should seek for Peace Ministry, Love Ministry and Plenty Ministry.

[–]virtu333 0 points1 point ago

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might've given a shot before i applied to every top university XD

[–]EternalRocksBeneath 0 points1 point ago

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This is about as absurd as the actual thing.

[–]inventingnothing 0 points1 point ago

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Anyone read their press release?

The first line reads

January 2006 we received a grant to purchase three billboards...

What grants? Perhaps from other churches? If not, and dolled out by a government, would this not be a violation of separation of church & state? What it would boil down to is a government body funding an obviously religious advertisement.

At any rate, I emailed them claiming I was from another church in the region considering similar "outreach" and wanted to know who to contact in order to acquire the grant. If anything comes of it, I'll post it in /r/WTF.

[–]kfurry 0 points1 point ago

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My lord, the original's even worse- Are you Gay or Lesbian and don't want to be

[–]closet_superhero 0 points1 point ago

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I have a serious question. Please, someone provide an insightful answer.

Knowing what both this and the original say...how is that any different than saying something along the lines of "are you male/female, and don't want to be? Come see us. We can change you surgically to make you who you want to be."

Assuming that being gay is NOT a choice, shouldn't someone then have the choice to not be gay? Is it not the same as a man deciding he wants to be a woman and having elective surgery?

[–]dvsbastard 0 points1 point ago

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In this particular case I believe it is bad (and not the same) because the Truth Ministry's underlying motivation is that gay is wrong and requires correction, rather than offering people assistance to change from a neutral standpoint (much like a plastic surgeon who offers breast augmentation, but not under the guise that small breasts are a sin, and no one should have them).

[–]closet_superhero 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks for your response. Finally, someone who wants real conversation.

I don't really think the breast augmentation argument is valid because it has no ethical issues surrounding it on the scale of LGBT.

What I am getting at is that the LGBT community supports people who want to change their gender and people who want to change peoples' gender, but not a group who offers support for someone going through a similar situation.

I see what you mean about how Truth Ministry comes across, but I think they approached it in the least offensive way they could. They are standing up for their beliefs, good for them. The billboard didn't go out attacking and saying "if you are gay, you need to come see us and change," which is how most people would expect them to write it. They are offering an option for people who don't want to be gay anymore. No one else provides support for that demographic. (at least not on the same national scale)

[–]dvsbastard 0 points1 point ago

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I do think your question is a good one, and I am completely on the fence on that. I personally don't think the ad is particularly offensive (but I find myself difficult to offend most of the time so I am not the right person to contribute).

The only minor issue is I do have a problem with the Truth Ministry offering this service as there is a huge conflict of interest.

[–]closet_superhero -1 points0 points ago

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Geez. I really like reasonable responses and I am always surprised to get them. Truth ministry is certainly a generally controversial group

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[–]closet_superhero 0 points1 point ago

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I think you completely misunderstood the purpose of my responses. It is a valid question that can result in intellectual conversation independent of religious beliefs. What part of my post can be construed as phobia? I used sex change because I want to know why that is any different. Not because I hate LGBT.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Dr leVay, a gay, was the first to say, there was a gay gene hip hip porah,

Im not too sorry to say, he did not find a gay gene.

http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

[–]FredFnord 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, thanks! I rarely get to see so much utter crap science in one place. ('They finished mapping out the human genome, and they didn't find a gay gene!' Yeah... and they haven't figured out where the gene for being dumber than a box of rocks is, either, but the authors of that 'paper' certainly appear to have inherited such a gene.)

There are certainly good nature-vs-nurture arguments to be made. Perhaps you could go find someone who is actually making them, instead of a group of people making transparently dishonest arguments which they clearly hope will fool those who aren't very scientifically savvy.

Like, say, you.

[–]sprintingthadistance -1 points0 points ago

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Lol my hometown

[–]theblackestbrotha -3 points-2 points ago

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Hahahahahaha.....please God, I don't want to be Lady Chinky Eyes anymore!

[–]asiannub -1 points0 points ago

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lolwut

[–]49ers52 -2 points-1 points ago

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PUPU for 2