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Where the white man screwed up (i.imgur.com)

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[–]SadTruth_HappyLies 63 points64 points ago

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FW: FWD: re: Fwd: RE: fwd: Fwd: FWD:

[–]eagleapex 18 points19 points ago

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"Awww MOOOOM! Stop sending me this crap."

[–]Daidra 52 points53 points ago

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Ah, fake and racist. Nice.

[–]JoyStain 3 points4 points ago

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genocide is pretty racist too so I'm willing to give it a pass.

[–]kabukistar 25 points26 points ago

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....and sexist.

[–]Ingrid2012 1 point2 points ago

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TIL Anything involving women and sex is sexist on Reddit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Oh, wow. I'd never seen this before.

[–]bananakonda 3 points4 points ago

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That the guy from The Outlaw Josey Wales?

[–]Wargall 8 points9 points ago

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It's not racist because it's against white people!

Right Reddit? Right?

[–]glass_daggers 0 points1 point ago

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Boo fucking hoo.

[–]mudvut -5 points-4 points ago

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Yes. Stop with this poor oppressed white minority bullshit.

[–]Wargall 0 points1 point ago

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Are you white? You're sounding like a racist to me.

[–]mudvut 0 points1 point ago

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No, I'm not. I'm Turkish, live in Australia.

When you are the 90% you can't truly understand the fear true racism can instill. You can know it, and claim it and even be right, but the real danger racism can only be felt by a minority. I can elaborate if you're interested.

[–]Wargall 0 points1 point ago*

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You seem to think being a racial minority is any different than, dunno, being a religious minority? I am an atheist and I live in the deep south. People find out? Boom, you're ostracized. Plus, you live in a VERY lliberal and tolerant country compared to the US.

[–]mudvut 0 points1 point ago

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Absolutely, and I'm tankful for it. You are right re being a minority in general. Now, do you think the Christians in your state can claim discrimination from the atheist minority? They can claim it, but when they are the majority, it would be a bit funny.

I didn't say anything about racial minorities vs religious minorities, it's the same dynamic at play.

But when you have a white guy in a dominate white country, winging about racism from a minority (even though it's there, and it's wrong) it misses the true evil of racism.

[–]Wargall 0 points1 point ago

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Then we're at an impasse, because the way I look at it, racism is racism whether or not you're in the minority. If someone treats me differently or discriminates against me because of the color of my skin, they are being racist. It doesn't matter if they are in the minority. Justifying racism like that is like justifying murder with murder. "You do it to us, so we do it to you. Except when we do it, it's not bad"

[–]mudvut 0 points1 point ago

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Look, I totally agree with you. Racism is racism, and it's always bad. But the inherent evil in racism can only be felt by the weaker party, as the inherent evil in prejudice comes from a position of power and racism in its worse form is a abuse of that power. The power in this question comes from the inherent power in that exists in being the majority, and then abusing it. A black person being racist doesn't source his energy to be racist from this source of power,meh sources it from being ignorant or from hate. Which are also bad no doubt, but only a minority can feel the worst aspect of racism. It wold be the same if you were living in turkey and were a minority and people started being racist to you. You would be the minority and would feel it. It's not a question of race, but the dynamics inherent in majority vs minority situations.

[–]amosh 9 points10 points ago

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Why do people actually think the American Indians were smart or had things figured out that we have since 'lost' or possessed some sort of ancient wisdom? I mean that is great for a novel or movie, but how can people actually believe that the American Indians had anything 'figured out'?

They were a collection of hunter/gatherer societies with some basic agriculture. When they weren't busy working all day and night just trying to survive, they were off killing and raping each other. They lived very rough lives that usually resulted in violent or disease ridden deaths.

The white man didn't screw anything up, we (referring to mankind) moved forward and their societies weren't compatible. I seriously think that the majority of people get their history from Disney's Pocahontas and other popular media instead of actually picking up a book.

[–]orangeapple89 3 points4 points ago

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The Plains Indians lives were fucking shit until the introduction of horses. They had to try and hunt buffalo using animal skin and a stick. Plus, they traveled in herds that were hard to find.

[–]rderekp 4 points5 points ago

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Plains Indians travelled in herds?

[–]orangeapple89 1 point2 points ago

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Well, kinda :) They were is tribes which had sub-tribes which had sub-tribes which then had families.

It was the buffalo who traveled in herds.

[–]dirk_b 2 points3 points ago

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You're right, it is a misguided idea.

The white man didn't screw anything up, we (referring to mankind) moved forward

However, "going forward" (thus implying we are not better off) is in the eyes of the beholder. Did we really go "forward"?
Maybe a shorter life, like the Indians had, is a small price to pay if it's a happy life. We don't know much about the happiness of these Indians, but having lived both in the city and on farms in my life I personally find it very easy to imagine that a society crafted around physical work and a balance with nature is much more enjoyable.
Yes, we now live longer, but we also spend most of our time in the office, wooptiedoo?

[–]supaphly42 1 point2 points ago

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True, though remember you wouldn't be on here right now if it weren't for factories and people in offices.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Screwed up not destroying the environment. other then that, I agree with you.

[–]CitizenPremier 1 point2 points ago

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That really is not true, we have records of huge man-made fires, bears driven to extinction, and so on and so forth, from long before Europeans came to America.

Here's an example. No race of people would be tolerant or lazy enough to not change the environment they live in.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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That is like the difference between throwing a rubber ball and shooting a rocket. At least a lot of Native Americans tried to live in balance with nature.

[–]CitizenPremier 0 points1 point ago

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The "balance of nature" does not exist; ask any ecologist. Also if you went back in time and told a Native American he lived in tune with nature he'd probably get pissed at you and show you his crib. To say that Native Americans were in tune with nature is to ignore their accomplishments, which required mastery of nature.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Of course balance of nature exist! otherwise the planet would destroy itself. (ok, bad example because humans kind of are destroying it.) I'm sure most ecologist, biologist, etc would mention photosynthesis, the food chain and reference something similar to either of these (but not use wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_nature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem

[–]CitizenPremier 1 point2 points ago*

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Did you look at your article, dude? [Despite being discredited among ecologists](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_nature#Continued_popularity_of_the_theory)

It's an archaic theory which does not hold up to any statistical analysis of nature.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Honestly I didn't because I'm at work and don't have much time.

You must realize we are nature, not separate from it. Plants and animals need each other to survive. Animals eat plants, breath oxygen, die, turn to dirt for plants to grow. Plants 'breath' carbon dioxide and are food for animals. The cycle of life, the circle of life, the Lion King, whatever. It seems odd to say that nature is unnatural and doesn't sustain itself.

[–]CitizenPremier 1 point2 points ago

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Animals drive each other out of particular environments, species drive other species to extinction, and so on and so forth. Biodiversity increases and decreases. No, nature does not kill itself, but it does not follow any particular pattern, and at any rate, we, (a part of nature, as you say) might one day become an instance of nature destroying itself.

It seems to me you have the basic idea of nutrients cycling through an ecosystem confused with the bogus idea of a "balance of nature." Maybe you should read "The Cartoon Guide to the Environment," it will give you a good starting sense of how ecologies work.

I probably agree with you on most things, such as the fact that Western cultures tend to fuck up their environments more than Native American cultures, and that humans in general are doing more damage to nature than is good for them, but I think your general conception of the environment might be flawed. An ecosystem never really is in the same state twice, because there are too many fluctuating variables (billions upon billions of species).

[–]Enda169 -1 points0 points ago

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The white man didn't screw anything up, we (referring to mankind) moved forward and their societies weren't compatible.

You are right until this point. Of course we screwed many things up. Ignoring the obvious things like genozide, our progress most certainly comes at a cost. We have destroyed a lot of our environment to achieve this progress. We have created many new problems when we solved our old ones.

I agree, that in general, we are overall in a better place now, then Indians or any other tribal culture was or is. But we shouldn't automatically discount every aspect of these tribal cultures, because in some areas, their ideas and morals seem to be better then our current ones.

[–]mnemoniker 1 point2 points ago

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I counted at least 7 ways in which this is bad. I'm pretty sure I missed some, though.

[–]bang_Noir 1 point2 points ago

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That's all fine and good but what about my xbox?

[–]Oceat 7 points8 points ago

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Your reposts are bad and you should feel bad!

[–]bakonydraco 5 points6 points ago

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Also dying of dysentery now and then. Also starving to death in years of drought. Also merciless infighting with neighboring tribes. Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly appreciate the more pastoral pleasures of life, but to pretend that by giving some of them up we've gained nothing valuable in return is foolish.

[–]GetStapled 4 points5 points ago

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But thats not what Disney told me!!!!!

[–]dont_get_it 4 points5 points ago

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FW: fw: Fw: RE: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: Where the white man screwed up

[–]jakeshdaddy 2 points3 points ago

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Objection your honor! Incredibly racist!

[–]Lots42 2 points3 points ago

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Of course, that's complete bullshit, the Indians weren't some perfect utopia

[–]Janglez 2 points3 points ago

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I remember this from like 3 years ago. When i saw it on reddit !!

[–]B_Provisional 2 points3 points ago

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It looks like the repost cycle for this image is about once a month.

[–]EthicalReasoning 1 point2 points ago

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UPVOTE THE REPOST

[–]alexnoaburg 1 point2 points ago

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So other races don't need racist white jokes. Whites already feel bad enough with their white guilt.

[–]yaen 1 point2 points ago

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Ahh... when I keep seeing shit like this popping up again and again, I really wish the US would just ignore the Natives even harder. Just, please, pretend even harder we're not here, and we never existed. That'd be awesome.

[–]falconx50 -1 points0 points ago

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actually there are theories the natives throughout the Americas were doing a pretty good job of overusing their natural resources. White Man was just a lot more efficient at it

[–]Ragnalypse -1 points0 points ago

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Anything other than "white" there would be universally denounced as racist.

You bastards! You killed decency!

[–]Snapcrackleburp -1 points0 points ago

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Missing the point...put in a quarter and try again.

[–]Snapcrackleburp 0 points1 point ago

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Hah Haaaaaaa...stupids. Dangerous, treacherous stupids.

[–]TristanIsAwesome 0 points1 point ago

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AHAHAHAHA WHADA KNEE SLAPPER!!!!!!!!1

[–]naggerNZ 0 points1 point ago

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Haha I actually saw that exact picture pinned to the wall in my red-neck Montanan uncles dining room.

[–]FlutGOS 0 points1 point ago

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all that beaver

[–]sunshine_killer 0 points1 point ago

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Without the white man screwing it up we wouldn't have reedit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I can see where this vaguely sexist and racist comment is coming from, but no, I want civilization and space travel.

[–]anonysera 0 points1 point ago

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Now this right here is reason for self-racism.

[–]SpankyGnarkill -2 points-1 points ago

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We white people do tend to fuck things up everywhere we go.

[–]swazy 4 points5 points ago

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People do tend to fuck things up everywhere we go. fixed

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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I would love to live a completely unfulfilled life. Fucking white man.

[–]GetStapled 0 points1 point ago

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Define fulfilled. I think you'll find many people are "fulfilled" in many different ways, differing from culture to culture, age to age, place to place. Even from time to time.

[–]brmlyklr -2 points-1 points ago

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Hey, OP. I've actually never seen this before.
Thought you'd like to know.

[–]imelik -5 points-4 points ago

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Hahaha, man he was on the money !

How can you improve a system like that ? You cant.

[–]Lots42 2 points3 points ago

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It would help if the system ever existed in the first place.

[–]TwoFagles -1 points0 points ago

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I couldn't even finish reading the story because his name is so awesome..

[–]AEB9B 0 points1 point ago

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I stopped and gave a chuckle at that point as well. I only wish this account was older.

[–]dakst3r -3 points-2 points ago

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I want that system now!

[–]Taibo 1 point2 points ago

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but what if I don't like buffalo

[–]relativelysapien 4 points5 points ago

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maybe you should have stayed in Europe?

[–]dakst3r 0 points1 point ago

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What's not to like?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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So how do I become indian?

[–]graffiti81 -2 points-1 points ago

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Some white men learned that they could do way more of those good things if they found other people to do their work for them. They called this "progress" and it was, for them, but for everyone else, it was tantamount to slavery, at least when compared to how the native americans lived.

[–]Enda169 0 points1 point ago

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Except for the Indian women of course.

[–]yabadabadoya -3 points-2 points ago

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Think it funny that white people bitch that they are becoming minority to mexicans and say oh, learn to read and write english or gtfo... but when whitey showed up they hearded up the Indians like cattle and tried to force the white ways on them.

[–]mbleslie -4 points-3 points ago

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Man it was a paradise here before whitey showed up

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