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Stalin approves. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 7 months ago by dezert
[–]EnemyScoot 310 points311 points312 points 7 months ago
I don't really see why this had to be posted in WTF. It's a fairly useful unit of measurement, OP even provides a good every-day example.
[–]SNA_Rock 69 points70 points71 points 7 months ago
There is a unit called the megadeath - one million deaths - which was used by the Rand corporation for estimating the impact of a nuclear strike.
[–]askvictor 86 points87 points88 points 7 months ago
So 1 Hitler is 6 megadeaths. TIL.
[–]Gneal1917 78 points79 points80 points 7 months ago
on a Jewish scale. Closer to 60 megedeaths completely.
[–]askvictor 40 points41 points42 points 7 months ago
Crap, this is going to get into an imperial/metric type debate soon
[–]Archer007 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
Nah, lets keep to the traditional nerd-baiting, like .999=1.
[–]DWells55 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
PI IS EXACTLY 3!
[–]Deinosmos 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Then he was savagely raped to death.
[–]askvictor 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Not in IEEE754
[–]feureau 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
2+2=5 for very large values of 2.
[–]internetbaddass 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Or gigs in apple memory.
[–]NolanRoss 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
8GB iPod touch! 6.94GB ಠ_ಠ
[–]MenaceInc 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Fuck IEEE-754. Dam signed bit, 8bit expo and 23bit mantissa's can suck my dick.
[–]iamablackbeltman 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
This is a sentence I never thought I would read. Good work.
[–]MenaceInc 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I had an exam on them a few weeks ago...safe to say that I'm still rather bitter.
[–]claythearc 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Well, not to be baited, but .999 does in fact equal one.
[–]L_Dawg 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
.999 recurring equals 1
[–]Oiman 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
notation: 0.999...
[–]claythearc 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Yeah, I replied at like 4am, I thought I saw the notation for .9 repeating; however, I guess I did not.
[–]blazemore 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
So what's 1 - 0.999? I make it 0.001.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
6 Dave Mustains shutter
[–]nypon 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Were do you get that number from?
[–]Sarahmint 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
On a Jewish scale, 6 megadeaths. Hitler is actually 12 megadeaths, including the Holocaust.
[–]somnolent49 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
In Dr. Strangelove General Buck Turgidson (George C. Scott) has a binder in front of him titled "World Targets in Megadeaths". Sadly I can't find a good enough quality youtube video to show it, but if you watch the actual film, you can clearly read it in this scene.
[–]brainburger 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
I guess the SI unit is the Death, which is slightly less exciting. The conversion to a monetary equivalent is interesting, though if the truth be known the world values lives in different countries at different amounts.
[–]thesorrow312 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
This song was originally called megadeath, until Dave Mustaine decided to name his band Megadeth instead, and changed the name. It is about megadeath.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QmJC6ax2M
[–]ringringbananaphone 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
It's in WTF because funny and pics are ruled by the gestapo and /r/reddit.com is gone
[–]Snapperhead 83 points84 points85 points 7 months ago*
If the unit of measurement is based off of the total number of individuals who died in German forced labor camps (12.5 million) or on the number of Jews (6 million) or the number of non-Jews (6.5)? I know that it is NOT based on the number of Jehovah's Witnesses who survived (0). (edit. spelling error, minor)
[–]Tiak 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
This has been discussed at length on Reddit at least twice before. Both times it ended in these units being declared imperial hitlers, and a new unit, one representing 15 million deaths, taking their place as metric Hitlers.
See this and this
[–]rell66 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
holy shit then.
[–][deleted] 67 points68 points69 points 7 months ago
This is the shit that pisses me off. Everyone thinks Hitler killed 6 million people. What the FUCK?
[–]Snapperhead 64 points65 points66 points 7 months ago
He killed 6 million Jews and 6.5 million others in the forced labor camps. The others that died do not call the extermination of undesirables by the SS a holocaust because no one speaks for them. The Jews were the largest group by far and speak often and publicly about it. It is rare see a movie or read a book that depict the 'death' camps where the prisoners are not Jewish. When decades pass and the majority of information regarding the forced labor camps is distributed by a group that is primarily concerned about preventing an extermination of their own people then 6 million is the number that sticks. That is the number that gets quoted the most. I do not believe that it was intentional on anyone's part to push that number and completely disregard the majority of the victims.
[–]Tobblo 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
That's because Polish and Russians were often killed on the spot, taking them to the camps would be very constly during the war, as they planned to exterminate 1/2 of the Polish population. They (the Nazis) estimated that it would take 20-30 years.
Also, a total of 20 million Russians were killed, 20 million in China, and Poland lost 16% of its population. So I really don't know why Jews milk the WW2 like that, it pisses me off, and it pisses me off that a lot of people think that the war was all about the Jews.
And here are some interesting facts about the Jews, since year 1000 the Poles have been tolerant of Jews, but even after almost 1000 years, in 1931, 81% if Polish Jews chose Yiddish and Hebrew as their first language, pretty fucked up if you ask me.
[–]ScarabTongue 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
planned to exterminate 1/2 of the Polish population
I'm fairly sure if Hitler had had his way, every Slav in Europe would have been murdered eventually.
[–]depanneur 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yes, depending on the region (Poland, Czechland, Russia, Ukraine etc.) anywhere between 1/2 to 3/4 of the population were to be systematically exterminated right away, with the survivors living as slave labour for new German colonists or in German factories. Food would then be intentionally kept from the surviving population so they would slowly starve to death as more German colonists moved in.
[–][deleted] 7 months ago
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[–]Niqulaz 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Some people just take hardships thrown their way, measure them up and down, and decide on what knife they'll need this time.
[–]faceintheblue 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Wow. Just... Just wow.
[–]ScarabTongue 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Now that makes soviet occupation look like a holiday camp.
[–]Fidena 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Some served in the Wehrmacht.
Russians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army
Georgians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Legion_%281941%E2%80%931945%29
Indians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indische_Legion
Some SS divisions, etc etc. The holocaust was a very complicated thing.
[–]depanneur 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The SS foreign legions were established for purely pragmatic reasons - their existence doesn't mean that the Germans' ultimate goal wasn't the annihilation of the Slavs and their colonization.
Yeah.
[–]runtotheabyss 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
tolerance in the year 1000 had a slightly different meaning than it does today.
[–][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 7 months ago
"The tolerant situation was gradually altered by the Roman Catholic Church on the one hand, and by the neighboring German states on the other.[29] There were, however, among the reigning princes some determined protectors of the Jewish inhabitants, who considered the presence of the latter most desirable as far as the economic development of the country was concerned. Prominent among such rulers was Boleslaus the Pious of Kalisz, Prince of Great Poland. With the consent of the class representatives and higher officials, in 1264 he issued a General Charter of Jewish Liberties, the Statute of Kalisz, which granted all Jews the freedom of worship, trade and travel."
"in 1264 he issued a General Charter of Jewish Liberties, the Statute of Kalisz, which granted all Jews the freedom of worship, trade and travel. During the next hundred years, the Church pushed for the persecution of the Jews while the rulers of Poland usually protected them."
The least they could do is learn Polish over 1000 years, don't you think?
[–]runtotheabyss 12 points13 points14 points 7 months ago
Ok so this quote essentially proves my point, tolerance of Jews was a rarity. And the last paragraph where the rulers of Poland usually protected them proves my point. In a very catholic country which poland is, the fact that the church still wanted jews persecuted probably caused a lot of persecution despite protective rulers, because in the 11th century, I'm sorry but authority wasn't as strong as it is today. The princes protection was probably ineffectual and more symbolic than functional.
Also your last sentence is dumb. 81% of Jews according to you said that hebrew was their first language, that doesn't mean they didn't know Polish, it just means that they spoke Yiddish when they went home.
Hebrew and Yiddish are different languages actually, although written Yiddish uses the Hebrew alphabet.
[–]faultydesign 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Well who the fuck made you the king of Jews to tell us what language we should use between ourselves.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 months ago
See, that's the problem, you people are like gypsies, screw one country over, move to another.
[–]Frightened_Inmate_1 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Ugh, yeah, who would take the deliberate and systematic genocide of their people and make it all about them? Typical Jews, amirite?
\s\
[–]play3393 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
It want only about them. You understand this, right?
[–]noodlz 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I upvoted you, if it helps. This is the problem with legislating thought, as the French are currently doing.
"European campaigns by Germany were not only about exterminating Jews!"
"Holocaust denier!!!"
Fuck that shit.
[–]Microchaton 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It's not at all what "Holocaust denying" is -.-
[–]echoechotango 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Bullshit! He wanted the 'vermin' (his words not mine) out of Europe & asked the rest of Europe to take them & everyone refused.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago*
Haha, Hitler only said that because that would make him popular. He didn't really give a fuck about them, the first time he talked about exterminating them was in 1942. And you think that Stalin wanted to protect jews, you must be a lunatic. WW2 for Hitler, was about taking over Europe, making more space for Germans in eastern Europe, and getting rid of the jews (first, Hitler wanted a jewish state somewhere outside of Europe). Then he wanted to retire, and he'd leave Africa, Asia, and Americas alone.
[–]fazzah 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Downvoted you solely for being lazy enough to not lookup the title of Mein Kampf.
Grammar Nazi in a thread about Nazis. So meta.
This whole conversation is just blowing my mind right now. Mostly because someone had to actually sit at their computer, take the time to write all that down, and actually put the effort in to click a button on their screen to share this information with everyone.
And then it's things like this that get posted.
[–]lithodora 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
6.0*106 to me is 6 x 106... so I'm missing something in their original math there.
[–]BeingAWizard 36 points37 points38 points 7 months ago
I assumed he meant 6.0*106
[–]lithodora 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
ah 6*106 that makes more sense. Thanks.
[–]PoorBehavior 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
so could someone rewrite this with the correct measurements of 12.5106 instead of 6106
[–]dranek 16 points17 points18 points 7 months ago
Real hitler is valued at 2.08 hitlers
[–]beatisagg 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
1 Accurate Hitler = 2.08 Common Assumption Hitlers
[–]PoorBehavior 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
lol ok...
[–]Valdair[] 111 points112 points113 points 7 months ago
This isn't WTF, this is comedy gold.
[–]RedWave 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Dude, I'm sky high and yes, THIS IS GOLDEN.
[–]jtdubss 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
I lost it at "fucking you over to the tune of 84 picohitlers"
[–]Jaques_Naurice 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
The "tiny auschwitz behind the counter" did it for me.
[–]gynoceros 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I actually snorted.
I'm not really a snorter.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Thx 4 info bro
[–]iiiears 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Aww, dude your killin' me here!
[–]Jc40k 26 points27 points28 points 7 months ago
Why does everyone always forget the other 5 million?
[–][deleted] 84 points85 points86 points 7 months ago
Jews have better PR.
[–]baloothebear88 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
i dont know why everyone forgets about Mao. Chairman Mao is responsible for between 40 and 70 million deaths of his own people, i remember telling this to a chinese foreign exchange student and she flipped her shit and said it wasnt true. then i showed her all the evidence, then videos and info about Tiannemen Square massacre, so on. she started to see the light
[–]Just_Jerk 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago*
What other "5 millions"? Oh you mean like 20 millions Soviets and other 30-40 millions in other countries?
EDIT: It's not like I am really against someone downvoting me. But does someone care to explain why?
[–]MotharChoddar 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Groups of people killed in the Holocaust:
Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people, communists, Jehovah's witnesses, Polish and Russian civilians, political and religious opponents, and other people that were not of German origin.
Why do people forget that millions of non Jews also were killed in the same way?
[–]Deimosberos 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I'd venture to say because non-jews don't control mainstream media outlets.
[–]QJosephP 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Well, I've been led to believe that Hitler killed about 12.5 million people, while the other millions were murdered by the other players in WWII, like Stalin.
P.S. I didn't downvote you, by the way.
[–]tortuganaught 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
I thought the 12.5 was just from the camps alone? Not including those killed on the spot/in battles.
I don't know. I'm not the one to ask. :/
[–]Gustav55 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
yes around 13 million were killed in the camps tho there is some overlap as Russia lost a total of about 26 million people during the war, but large numbers of Russian prisoners were killed in the labor camps and also the Einsatzgruppen killed lots of people in the captured Russian territory.
[–]Ubaro 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
When playing FPS, only the noob gets called out on their KD ratio
[–]Brainderailment 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Illuminati or something, it didnt even happen. A guy on the internet said so.
[–]shmishshmorshin 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
Genghis wins. Genghis always wins.
[–]Frightened_Inmate_1 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Also, if you are asian, there is a pretty solid chance you are a direct descendant of the guy. Somebody should make a statistical unit of measure based on Ghengis Kahn's rapey-ness.
[–]Sir-Francis-Drake 47 points48 points49 points 7 months ago
Well Mao Actually killed more people. About 40 Million
[–]pineapple_catapult 34 points35 points36 points 7 months ago
But what about when adjusted for inflation?
Guess that would only make Mao worse...
[–]biggie_s 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
Adjusted for inflation Genghis Khan was the biggest killer ever. Clocking in at 6.67 Hitlers, he killed about 10% of the entire world's population.
[–]TheDebaser 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Generating 10% of the planet's population= 1 Khan.
[–]brainburger 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
Mao didn't order those deaths, but they happened because of governmental incompetence. If you count collateral damage from a policy, then a good candidate for the biggest killer in history would be Pope John Paul II, with his misguided policy on condom usage.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
How does this explain Mao's purges? I think he still clocks in at more hitlers than Stalin.
[–]Zombie_Lenin[] -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
The people not using condoms because Pope John Paul said so have no responsibility?
[–]KarmicApathy 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Well if you're gonna go down that road I'm not sure Hitler or Stalin actually killed anyone directly either, freedom from responsibility is probably the primary thing that draws people to leaders in the first place.
[–]brainburger 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago*
In fairness, Hitler and Stalin probably ordered many deaths, or made policies with deaths as the main aim.
Mao and Pope John Paul II both ordered policies for 'good' reasons, but they resulted in large numbers of deaths. To my mind Mao was less culpable than the Pope, as Mao was probably not given accurate feedback on what was happening on the ground. The pope on the other hand had and has the outspoken disapproval of just about every real expert in the field, and a raft of empirical data that shows that abstinence policy results in a great many more deaths than condom promotion. The new pope essentially sticks to the policy in full knowledge of the consequences.
[–]Zombie_Lenin[] 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
You have already gone pretty far down that road yourself. You're comparing the Holocaust with AIDS-related deaths here. I don't want to claim the church is innocent, but there are at least different shades of responsibility
[–]KarmicApathy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You have already gone pretty far down that road yourself
No I haven't
You're comparing the Holocaust with AIDS-related deaths here
No I'm not.
[–]brainburger 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I am making that comparison yes. I honestly don't know which way to call it. I find that amazing and horrible, and ongoing. At least the holocaust is finished now.
That gets complicated doesn't it? How about the people caught up in Mao's Great Leap Forward? They could have acted differently to some extent.
The Catholic Church threatens punishment to those who use condoms, and it discourages the distribution of condoms where they are most needed. To a faithful person who relies on the church for education and news and healthcare, this might overpower the natural choice that they would make for themselves.
[–]Zombie_Lenin[] 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
I'm not saying the Church is innocent, but it didn't invent AIDS. The Church carries a responsibility, but it's not as overwhelming as that of the German government or the USSR.
I agree - I said as much in one of my other comments here. However the numbers of condom-preventable deaths from AIDS might be very large. I have seen as many as 100m claimed. I can't find a good source right now though. Of course it would be hard to establish a number that resulted from Vatican policy, but the potential is there for pope John II to be responsible for more deaths than anybody else in history.
[–]Zombie_Lenin[] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Let's get back on the first point you made on Mao. Deaths as a result of incompetent policy. The church believes in a moralist and abstinence-only solution for the prevention of AIDS. How come that in this case the victims of AIDS are not merely a result of failure of policy, but a deliberate killing? Yes, there are various theological reasons we do not agree with that defined this policy. But Mao's communist and collectivist values also defined his policy.
[–]Kanin 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Not to mention it's easier to keep counts of lives killed than lives saved.
[–]Deinosmos 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
The vatican is vile beyond comprehension, and if we really want to talk about history's monsters then we've got a lot of ecclesiastics to get through. The Stalins and Hitlers of the world have got very little to show for themselves when they're compared to the death cult that singlehandedly brought about one thousand years of darkness.
[–]LibertariansLOL 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It's not his fault when the retards in africa listen to the clown's opinions on condoms but not about premarital sex.
[–]suicidemachine -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 months ago
That's really a bad comparison. The pope didn't force you not to use condoms.
[–]sicinfit 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
The famine (Or our glorious Leap Forward. Fucking lol'd hard when I read that one up in one of the few comprehensive history books.) killed a good chunk of that. And Mao was too much of a fiscal retard to stop it. It is against the progress of the republic for people to just drop dead, and Mao certainly did not want that.
Good ole Adolf, on the other hand...
[–]Oiman 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
The average sperm count per ejaculate is 39 million. That's 6.5 potential Hitlers.
TIL jizz has a pH of 6.5
[–]Just_another_man 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
Lost is at "tiny Auschwitz".
[–]senorbill 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
What is this, an Auschwitz for ants??
[–]T_D_K 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
At this scale, ants would be gigantic compared to the mini-Auschwitz
[–]ghazwozza 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
First, let me slightly redefine the "Hitler" to be equal to 1.1*107 deaths, which takes into account the Romani, Sinti, homosexual, disabled, and prisoner of war victims of the death camps.
Now consider Norman Borlaug, father of the green revolution, pioneer of agricultural reform in developing nations, and mortal enemy of hunger. Widely credited with saving more than 1 billion people from starvation.
Norman Borlaug clocks a whopping -100 Hitlers.
[–]Mjastrzebski 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Also Russians, Ukrainians, Balts and Poles...
[–]frustumator 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
oh fuck yeah! totally using this. although as snapperhead pointed out, he did kill closer to 12 million... so maybe i'll just double the figure
[–]frustumator 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
also, very tiny auschwitz lol
[–]Kai_ 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
I'd say King Leopold of the Congo would clock in a few more Hitlers than Stalin
[–]RemTar 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Leopold II*
[–]Kai_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
didn't think it needed saying, since I specified that I was referring to the Leopold of the Congo, but ok thanks. Yes, his full title would be King Leopold II of Belgium
[–]JoxerTheMighty 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
For some reason I can't stop saying "kid tested, Stalin approved."
[–]datafox00 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
False!
Mao also killed millions as Stalin did he also can be called worse than Hitler.
[–]sicinfit 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
I've said this in another post, but people died under Mao because he did not understand our inability to digest half-assedly refined composite metal for nourishment, and China was literally shitting itself from the inside out from the famine. Granted, he purged a shit load of heathens and educators and aristocrats during the cultural revolution, but because they were threats to his decomposing regime, not out of some misguided sense of ethnic superiority.
Still a dick move on his part, but please consider the difference and the context when you are comparing death counts.
[–]datafox00 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
It is killing just with different rationale. His ignorance or self serving ideas of grandeur do not eliminate the horrors he inflicted on the people of China.
[–]not_vichyssoise 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
Here's a question. Hitler killed a lot of people out of sheer malice. On the other hand, correct me if I'm wrong here, weren't most of the deaths caused by Mao due to him being a dumbass and thinking that farmers should produce steel instead of farm, causing mass starvation in the country?
In other words, is there a conversion rate between deaths caused by malice versus deaths caused by dumbassery and negligence?
[–]swuboo 16 points17 points18 points 7 months ago
Most of the deaths which can be attributed to Mao were more stupidity than malice, yes, but probably over a million people were killed by outright violence during the Cultural Revolution. It's hard to know exactly, because the Chinese weren't counting and they tend to... discourage research into it. I heard a figure of twenty million once, but I really don't know whether it's accurate.
Some of his policies were truly demented, though. For example, he ordered the mass extermination of sparrows to prevent the birds from eating crops. Impressively, they managed to nearly wipe the birds out. Unfortunately, this caused a massive spike in the locust population.
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
[–]not_vichyssoise 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
I've read an estimate of between 18 and 45 million deaths during the Great Leap Forward, which implemented many of Mao's dumbass policies. Wiki lists between the death toll from the persecution of the Cultural Revolution as around 1 million, with high estimates going up to around 3 million, with many more tortured or injured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign I guess that's the kind of dumb stuff that happens when you start a campaign against scholars and intellectuals.
[–]Tiak 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago*
Well, if we're including deaths from stupidity, then it only seems fair to include deaths from military action (both soldiers and civilians killed outside of the context of the Holocaust), including his own soldiers, as one could argue that they were also killed as a result of his own stupidity just as Mao's peasants were. In this case, Hitler easily tops 41 million.
And, of course if you look at things on a per capita basis Mao gets left in the dust.
[–]TrueTrolling 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
Pretty sure the EPA is not valuing lives differently by how they ended. So yes, they would be valued the same.
Fair enough.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
The EPA also isn't valuing typical Chinese lives.
[–]steve0suprem0 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Not touching that one, though someone should. Shit, i already made the implication, didnt i? Bye karma.
[–]excited_by_typos 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I remember learning about that. He made them melt down their hoes and shovels into shitty iron that was worthless. What a bozo
[–]Xaguta 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
I don't think so. It seems that Mao's incompetence is worse than Hitler's malice.
[–]Tiak 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
It's an apples to oranges comparison though. It's only comparing one aspect of Hitler's malice to Mao's stupidity, when Hitler had his own stupidity, as well as other different bits of malice... Sure, less died in concentration camps than starved in China due to natural disasters and poor policy... But Hitler was also responsible for a certain massive war that devastated Europe. 26.6 million residents of the soviet union alone as a result of his war, as well as his own 6.6 million Germans, etc.
[–]Hamm31337 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
It isn't false, he just used Stalin as an example rather than Mao
[–]datafox00 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
It is false in that he says that Stalin is the only person who can be called worse than Hitler.
[–]Hamm31337 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Oh, after a quick re-reading I do indeed see that, I appoligize, as I certainly agree wirh your initial statement.
[–]draemscat -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
Mao also killed millions as Stalin did
Errm....no?
[–]obliviousheep 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
The math is fucked..
6*106 = 636 6*10^106 = a fuckload
The only somewhat correct calculation is:
6*10^6 = 6 million
Even then, about twelve and a half million people died in the camps.
[–]shillbert 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
He definitely meant 6*106 . He probably copied and pasted it from another source, and when you copy a superscripted number, it just pastes as a regular number.
[–]voqk 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
6e6
[–]Togarda 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be 6E6. I think the capital e matters, please correct me if I am wrong.
[–]UncleCrassius 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Not in MATLAB motherfucker.
Also: Sorry for being rude :(
[–]phlex_de 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
E does make more sense to me because 'non-capital e' usually depicts euler's constant.
[–]effofexx 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'm sure it was supposed to be 106
But I don't know why he put a negative in front of the 41.4 trillion dollars. Maybe it's because a human is worth 6.9mil only when alive and a Hitler is specifically referring to human deaths? But if that's the case, then a dead human is worth 0. It should be either $0 or $41.4 Trillion, not negative.
[–]Artischoke 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
the market lost 1.2 trillions in 1 day, roughly equivalent to 29 millihitlers.
Just remember kids, devaluation of assets in the market doesn't equate to amount lost to the economy in real terms. It's just a valuation. It redistributes wealth, as those holding cash are suddenly richer compared to those holding stock. It can cause real losses because it might lead to a more inefficient distribution of capital. People certainly feel poorer. But there is just the same amount of goods, infrastructure, technical progress, relationships and so on, everything that has value in an economic sense, in the world as the day before.
[–]Heaney555 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Why do people only count the 6 million jews?
It's infuriating.
5 million non-jews were killed too.
That means Hitler killed 11 million.
[–]creepingdeathv2 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
so are you proposing ...
to change set 1hitler = 11 million deaths
to say that hitler killed 1.83 hitlers ?
[–]why_is_this_in_wtf 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
WHY IS THIS IN WTF?
[–]leontrotskitty 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago*
ಠ_ಠ
Damn you Pawsef Stalin, why'd you have to exile and send an assassin after me for?
[–]Very_High_Templar 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
:/ Not really sure if anyone knows for sure how many people died in the war to start with. Interesting though.
[–]SadCommentReader 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I have to ask if he accounted for inflation when applying those numbers to the other, more ancient figures of slaughter.
[–]losttheory 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Using Yutsuba B on /b/
[–]dnbVice 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
someone buy that guy a return button
[–]Tiak 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Just for the record, 4chan actually stole this joke from reddit.
this is why i like reddit!
[–]warmandfuzzy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
There must be other measurements, then.
A Hitlerocity = specific genocide rate. 1 Hitlerocity = 2,729 genocides per day.
The Rwandan Massacre, therefore is a 7.3 Hitlerocity (20,000 deaths per day) - or 7.3 times the kill rate of the Nazis.
[–]Heaney555 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
[–]ImADouchebag 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
This 4chan post is word for word taken from a Reddit post.
The Reddit post is about one month older than the 4chan post.
[–]Kai_ 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
it's copypasta from many years ago. 4chan was it's originator
[–]ImADouchebag -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Nope, according to my google-fu, the earliest mention of this is from Reddit. In fact, on 4chan archives, in the very thread the screencap is taken from they mention that this is from reddit.
There is an earlier mention of an SI Unit of evil to be the equal of 1 Hitler, but it's not the same concept.
[–]filmIsMyJoy 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I have no google-fu to assert with any evidence, but I do remember something extremely similar many many years ago when I was a /b/tard :\
[–]Chiimaster 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I'm probably a horrible person for laughing at this. Either way, totally using the picohitler line at some point in the future.
[–]71Comet 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I fapped
[–]worse_than_hitler 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
As do I
[–]Didji 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Poor old forgotten-about Mao.
[–]gangstabillycyborg 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
How many Hitlers are in a Mao?
How many Mao Zedongs to a Hitler?
[–]VirgiliusNix 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Am I the only one wondering what the hell happened to Mao?
[–]Nitzi 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Mao = 10 Hitlers
[–]dial_m_for_me 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Stalin's post ends in 1488, that's neat.
[–]Eskimosam 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Mao? Hello? Responsible for more deaths then all other tyrants combined.
[–]Thermodynamicist 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Blaming Hitler for 6 million deaths is probably a considerable under estimate.
The holocaust alone killed something like 5.9 million Jews; but they were by no means the only group subject to extermination, and the total number of people systematically murdered was more like 10 or 11 million.
If you account WWII as starting in 1939 (a pretty reasonable case can be made for earlier dates, such as the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, or the Italian invasion of Abyssinia; or indeed, one might argue that Versaille was merely a 20 year armistice) then the total death-toll was probably in excess of 60 million.
Obviously, by no means all of these casualties may be attributed to Hitler; for example, the Pacific war was largely independent of the European war.
It is also reasonable to suppose that there would have been some kind of German war following WWI even had Hitler never been born, because the general political environment in Germany was predisposed in that direction; Hitler wasn't even the first Nazi.
But, for the purposes of this sort of argument, it is probably not entirely unreasonable to account the Holocaust as Hitler's unique contribution to the sum of human misery, and round this to 10 million for mathematical simplicity.
Thus,
1 Hitler = 10 Mega Deaths
How one then chooses to account the value of human life for financial purposes is an extremely vexatious question, because of inflation, increasing productivity, and the thorny question of population control (killing somebody reduces the world's population by 1 today, but, on the one hand, that person might have had multiple offspring, yet on the other, total population is limited by various factors, both Malthusian and political, such that the effects of a single death today upon total world output a century from now are not obvious).
This is illustrated by the fact that there are roughly as many figures placed upon the value of human life as there are agencies making use of such figures.
It is also worth pointing out that most estimations of the value of human life are used for decidedly local accounting decisions (such as whether money should be spent improving a road junction).
This clearly does not read across to WWII at all.
It is perhaps less unreasonable to calculate the GDP per capita and then multiply this by the death toll, and some reasonable mean remaining life expectancy figure.
World GDP was about 63·1012 USD in 2010; as world population was between 6 and 7·109 during that period, and the margins of error on these figures tend to be large anyway, it's probably not a million miles out to call the average GDP per capita 103 USD per year.
If we then assume that about 20 years of working life are lost on average, and assume growth exceeding inflation of 3% per year, we end up with a quite interesting calculation.
The normal compound interest calculation with addition assumes that the addition is fixed each year; in this case, the contribution grows with GDP.
You therefore get a progression like this
This grows dramatically faster than conventional compound interest.
Note that this calculation has been dramatically simplified by considering only growth in excess of inflation and no discount rate.
Because this whole thing is an exercise in approximation and round numbers, we might as well assume a 20 year value of about 106 USD, because this is would be the result of a somewhat reasonable growth rate.
This figure is rather impressive, but it's probably an over-estimate of the economic cost of removing an individual from the population, due to the fact that the wider economy is likely to take up the slack, at least to some extent (though of course, its ability to do so decreases the more people are removed - in the limit, if everybody dies, growth must be zero).
For the sake of argument, it's probably reasonable to halve the rather large figure calculated; in which case we arrive at 0.5·106 USD per death, and therefore
1 International Hitler = -5·1012 USD(2010)
For perspective, US GDP in 2010 was about 14.58·1012 USD.
[–]Larein 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Wouldn't this have to be divided by time? Stalin did kill a lot of people, but he had lot more time to do this. Then there could be comparison to how many people the person could have killed. I mean if there was a tyrant in for example finland that has +5 million people compared to a tyrant in russia with +142 million people and bot of the tyrants did soemthing that killed 20% of the population. Finnish tyrant would have measily 1 million deaths while the russian one would have 28,4 million. Hell even if the finnish one killed all of his people somehow he couldn't match up to russian tyrant who just killen 5% of his people.
[–]Aix 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
I would count all the holocaust deaths, not just the jews.
[–]Ebonyks 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Leopold II would like to have a word with you. Upwards of 15 million killed on his behalf
[–]Battlesheep 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Or 2.5 Hitlers
[–]lowrads 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Doesn't take inflation into account on valuing lives. I suppose it could be on a sliding scale if compound population increases count against compounding currency devaluation.
[–]Squirreldit 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Shouldn't it be 11.0 * 106 instead of 6.0 * 106?
[–]MF-Brofist 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Punchline in title? Yeah, good job.
[–]Hornswaggle 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Mao also approves.
[–]creepingdeathv2 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago*
All you people ... look at you talking about mao ze dong, gengis khan, stalin and crusades ...
you all forget the mother of all badasses ... black death! ... 75 hitlers! top that !!!
[–]eXXaXion 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
4chan - home of retarded geniuses.
[–]fdsdfg 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Mao Zhedong and Genghis Khan were both responsible for about 40 million deaths each, compared to Stalin's 20 million.
[–]Sgtstudmufin 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
ontop of that the japanese killed even more in WW2 than the germans did...
[–]Stuartc084 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Mao's death count was mostly due to negligence though (stupidity to be honest) so I don't really think it can be counted in "Hitlers".
Genghis on the other hand wiped out 11.1% of the worlds population, so he definitely qualifies.
[–]ndchristie -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
this is way more than a few years old, therefor not original content.
[–]Just_Jerk -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
And why is Stalin worse than Hitler? Where did he get the numbers?
In this case - it should be in WTF.
[–]Eklitias 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago*
It's a well-known fact, that Stalin with his own hand imprisoned, killed and then raped 30 mln people. Every day. Didn't you know? They keep telling about it on TV.
EDIT: And I forgot to mention that he ate them afterwards.
[–]Just_Jerk 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago
Oh. Thanks for sharing this. Now I know the truth.
[–]ICumWhenIKillMen -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago*
yo, unmaximize your fucking browser and make it narrow before you take the screenshot, that shit did not need 1901 horizontal pixels
[–]fazzah 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
To answer in tone of your post:
Buy a fucking bigger screen. Also, make your font smaller, that shit did not need 12pt.
[–]gameguy1234 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 months ago
This is quite awkward since my best friend is the heir to joseph stalin his name is Yuri Stalin The only thing is he hates russia since it's a capatilist society.
[–]AHUGEMUSHROOM -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
man, i really do love the shit /b/ come up with.
[–]onanonanonaonon -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
i'm sure mao was worth more hitlers than stalin...
[–]euyyn -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago
Republicans, please measure Obama! I'm curious
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