To end the religion/morality debate

Augrills · 6 months

Malcolm X was basically a black supremacist, and I don't think he's a pillar of positive ethics. That said, there are people who leave a positive print on the world of all walks of life. There are also people of all walks of life whose prints were covered in shit and cheetoh dust.

Scottmkiv · 6 months

This really isn't that helpful. Good doesn't have a universally agreed definition.

I say that people can only be good to the extent they ignore superstitious nonsense and deal with the facts of reality.

The more you follow the commands of a holy book like the Bible or Quran, the worse a person you are.

This picture makes it seem like religion is unrelated to goodness, but it actually has a negative correlation.

Keljhan · 6 months

To be fair, Malcom X and MLK Jr. weren't exactly the paragons of ethics in their days.

Damianvv · 6 months

I don't necessarily like the term "evil". That makes it sound like there's a supernatural element to our behaviour.

Personality1of5 · 6 months

Well, 'A' for effort and all, but there can never be an end to a debate centered around subjective concepts such as good/evil, right/wrong, and morality - which are steeped in tradition, culture and heritage. Call me pessimistic, but no amount of logical discussion can ever conquer the deeply instilled emotions attached to the subject.

chunkyyluvr5 · 6 months

The only problem that I have with this is that the religious extremists commit their crimes in the name of religion. In the name of their god. They say that they were doing their god's work etc. When someone of non-belief does terrible things. They don't say they're doing it in the name of non-belief.

BFNentwick · 6 months

Yes, religion or lack of doesn't determine morality. If nothing else this just points out that while religion cannot be the source of morality, atheism, (with it's lack of dogma or moral guidelines), is incapable if doing the same on its own. The difference is that we can turn to empathy and reason to derive a moral code. When applied correctly this may lead to grey areas, but rarely if ever leads to discrimination or harm.

Religion on the other hand imposes very specific rules disguised as morals, which are clearly harmful. I don't think I need to actually put the Hitchens quote here, we all know the question.

ScottFree37 · 6 months

I could never give up enough upvotes

retrodetta · 6 months

Hitler really wasn't Christian :/ Just saying, he attempted to use propaganda that appealed to Christians during the beginning of the third reich...but he is quoted numerous times as a godless man. shrugs.


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