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[–]_Set 63 points64 points ago

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Hitchens nailed it, as usual.

RIP

[–]qeditor 19 points20 points ago

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Pontius Pilate nailed it.

[–]jcsoybomb 12 points13 points ago

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Too soon.

[–]MichaelDC89 7 points8 points ago

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:(

[–]postposter 2 points3 points ago

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Wanted to say the same thing.

Anyways, I'm sure he'd appreciate us knowing that "he's looking down on us from heaven."

Always up for a good joke, that is.

[–]derpville 1 point2 points ago

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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His name was Christoper Hitchens.

[–]shrivti1 16 points17 points ago

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People still commit apostrophes in the name of religion. ITS.

[–]elusiveallusion 113 points114 points ago

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While I appreciate that today's people are not guilty of events hundreds (or, thousands) of years ago, I still say this is a mortal blow to the moral high ground on which religion purports to stand - indeed, the kind of high ground it builds itself with threats, with violence, with political interference, and with crude and cynical manipulation of the innocent.

Firstly, it is the view of most of the world's religions that events that happened in the distant past not only matter to today (in they way that all sensible students of history would at least tentatively agree) but are relevant in a way that permeates the moral and ethical fibre of the present, informs the pattern of the future, and is at all times the best yardstick against which to compare the actions and inactions of every person throughout the world.

Secondly, it demonstrates that the process of religion becoming more acceptable - of moderating itself - has been one of it backing away from its theology, of its holy books, and of the worst excesses of gods that show the kind of moral behaviour one admonishes in small children. Where religion has become less toxic, it has become more secular.

Finally, it draws attention to the fundamental and repulsive manner in which religion dreams itself as dictator - either the religious structure itself, or the god it represents. It is this acceptance of notional totalitarianism under which we must all seemingly live, and not rebel against, and not reject, and not find chafing - this sheer negativity, and resistance to all that can be fruitful from the human mind given space and freedom - which I find so utterly objectionable.

[–]feureau 38 points39 points ago*

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[–]LastSLC 8 points9 points ago

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Civil servant Alexander Aan, 31, is now in protective police custody after he was attacked by an angry mob

The minute the pressure is taken off organized religion it'd be back to this for much of the worlds population

[–]Balrizangor 2 points3 points ago

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Why do you asshole atheists have to bring up ancient history? Religion is much nicer today.

[–]feureau 8 points9 points ago

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This happened about 3 days ago.

Apparently, according to religion, 3 days ago is ancient history. That explains the 6000 years old universe hypothesis.

[–]Balrizangor 15 points16 points ago

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You got my joke AND explained it. You should follow me around in real life.

[–]elusiveallusion 2 points3 points ago

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One day, after all, is as a thousand years. And t'other way round.

[–]R0SH 3 points4 points ago

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Hard to believe even 500 years ago I'd have been put to death.....

Like, come on, I'm only left handed!

[–]IAmNotAPerson6 9 points10 points ago

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Sorry to hijack the top comment here but for anyone looking for the clip it's right here

[–]deboerpa 5 points6 points ago

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Sorry to hijack the second highest comment but for anyone looking for another hitchslap and Star Wars reference later on in that clip it's about right here

[–]recursionr 1 point2 points ago

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Having listened to so many of Hitch's clips, I did not even need to listen to the actual clip. I now feel I know most of his arguments by heart.

[–]IAmNotAPerson6 1 point2 points ago

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I feel like that every once in a while. Then I watch some other debate that I haven't found before and just get blown away yet again.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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Exactly right, this. We need to have posts like this put into list or wiki for r/atheism that we can constantly refer to. It is so ridiculous that we need to keep on making our main points over and over again, and in threads where we aren't here to make the points again the apologists act like they were never made at all. We have so many fantastic points and indefensible charges against religion, and against our nations religions, but when the theists can act like we have never made those points at all in every single thread, then will we constantly be fighting a battle that we cannot win. We need a link to a list of indefensible charges against religion on every /r/atheism page, otherwise the theists will just keep on posting bullshit about atheists being ignorant and unjustly intolerant on every single thread, and thousands of people will read those posts and believe them.

My submission to the list of indefensible charges against religion: telling a child that they will burn in hell if they don't believe what they are being told is true.

We can refine and polish this list over time and when the apologists attempt to undermine us, we can just link them to this list instead of tying ourselves up into a 50 post debate.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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"All thinking men are atheists." - Ernest Hemmingway

[–]LastSLC 3 points4 points ago

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Blaise Pascal, an extremely devout Christian and religious Ascetic near the end of his life - “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”

It's possible to be devoutly religious and also have a sense of humor towards the abuse of religion. Just not for the majority, in the same way people take to any code of Behavior.

[–]Ashriel 14 points15 points ago

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Someone seems to be channeling Hitchens' ghost!

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[–]Ashriel 9 points10 points ago

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That's the joke.

[–]Chunkeeboi 5 points6 points ago*

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Then how come it's forbidden on threat of pack downvoting to even mention that at least ONE religion is still threatening the lives of people who challenge its primitive tribal nonsense?

[–]mybadalternate 2 points3 points ago

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Damn Zoroastrians...

[–]elusiveallusion 4 points5 points ago

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shrugs

It should not be.

There will always be a rabid group of Christian or Islamic or Buddhist upvoters and downvoters. This is the reality.

[–]Chunkeeboi 1 point2 points ago

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And they spend so much time in r/atheism desperately defending their gods with downvotes. Just look how many this has received. Are their gods really such weak, fragile entities that they can't take a few atheists poking fun at them? Omnipotence is obviously not all it's cracked up to be...

[–]elusiveallusion 1 point2 points ago

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I think the gang of angry theists that r/atheism has attracted since it's gone to the frontpage has been underappreciated.

[–]Chunkeeboi 1 point2 points ago

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We should show them some appreciation

[–]LadyEclectic -1 points0 points ago

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rabid Buddhists??

[–]elusiveallusion 1 point2 points ago

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Make a trial comment saying that Buddhism should have no immunity from criticism; because it has spurred violence in Sri Lanka, a dictatorship in Tibet, and in most cases is encouraging of supernaturalism and superstition.

You'll have two packs take you on - one will argue that Buddhism is really a philosophy, not a religion, and you can be atheist and Buddhist. The other will just be Buddhist.

shrugs

I don't disagree that Buddhism has some nice bits in it, but so does Christianity.

[–]LadyEclectic -1 points0 points ago

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I'm just......rabid buddhists? I didn't think the two words could be said together....TIL I guess

[–]BretBeermann 2 points3 points ago

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I think that you look at religion from too narrow a scope. You attack the whole for a few. How many of the world's most cherished historical individuals were grounded in religious belief? When we talk about great people, we talk about Lincoln, Gandhi, Teresa, MLK Jr. Religion as it was outlined in most instances holds itself not as the dictator but the peasant. You confuse two things, religious organizations, and religion. Using the term for both interchangeably does no justice to the true merit of religion. I think it is the modern form of persecution of religion to hold the millions whose beliefs and opinions are healthfully grounded in religion with the other millions who use religion as a method to elevate themselves. Today's people are not guilty of events perpetrated by a portion who they only share loose bonds with. How is the constant rhetoric on Reddit fair to those attempting to be good men and women, attempting not to force their views on others, attempting to save the face of a group that they are forcibly joined with because they hold certain tenants to be true regardless of how they interpret or act on them.

[–]derptyherp 0 points1 point ago*

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Hooray, someone legitimately asking for debates in reddit! I myself feel that religion actually, in of itself, is incredibly harmful. Not just because of the vast deaths and wars linked to it, but too because of it's tolerance of in fact forcing itself on the younger generation via the parents. Growing up in a Christian community, family, church, youth group, friends, the whole deal, I was under the belief and basically trained every day to reinforce the same things, over and over. Upon that, Christian communities tend to be very closed off, preaching to separate yourself from the outside world, and have a sort of undertone to never question things and things that are questioned are answered with "god has a plan" or "only he knows". There were things that just weren't spoken of and when abuse or the sort went down nobody ever heard about it.

There is a difference here upon choosing and being inherently, I would argue, brainwashed into belief.

I do not argue however that every person or family is like this. However, the vast majority have a repetitive history in this area, just look at today in the US with how persecuted gays have been, even recently hate crimes and deaths keep pouring in, people booing openly at the DADT being revoked during the debates, just look through your average Christian's comments or facebook/tumblr on the subject and you'll see the incredible intolerance on the subject.

I also must disagree with religion not taking responsibility for its past, as it's a very bloody and lengthy one, and one that still exists everywhere you look to this day to a very large extent. Not everyone is going to bomb abortion clinics, but some people do. In politics for the last while now people have favored religion and even persecuted/passed laws on nothing but this, even when scientific or psychological data proved otherwise.

On a whole, I do in fact see religion, not just religious groups, as a very negative thing, at least when in charge. I do think honestly that it is incredibly cruel to try and force people who aren't hurting anyone for what they have faith in to lose it, but to deny any connection to some of these horrific acts in relation to religion on an actual scale, and the ignorance and hatred it's brought to others, isn't something I can in all conscience agree with.

[–]BretBeermann 0 points1 point ago

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Religion is never in charge. Religious groups are in charge.

I would contend that Jesus would have wished the spread of Christianity by modeling a "christian life" than by condemning people for their "sins". Religious groups have twisted this concept the same way that other negative historical figures have corrupted other movements (USSR, Germany, etc.). It is unfortunate that LARGE religious groups perpetrate poor choices towards so many, but this is not to say that the inherent base of religion is wrong. It is very difficult (as in the other front-page post of some professor) to distance the concepts of culture and religion, as they have become intertwined. You are angry with many historical christian cultures, not with the tenants of forgiveness, acceptance and love that I am sure the concept of Jesus would have preached.

[–]relevant_mitch 2 points3 points ago

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For you don't count the dead when god's on your side.

[–]FoneTap 1 point2 points ago

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Actually, according to christian mythology we are ALL still very very guilty for what adam and eve did ~6000 years ago.

By this "logic" holding people accountable for past crimes no matter how trivial and no matter how long past is a perfectly valid attitude to take.

[–]nowhathappenedwas 0 points1 point ago

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Secondly, it demonstrates that the process of religion becoming more acceptable - of moderating itself - has been one of it backing away from its theology, of its holy books, and of the worst excesses of gods that show the kind of moral behaviour one admonishes in small children. Where religion has become less toxic, it has become more secular.

Christianity, at least, has always been bent and twisted to make it more appealing to the masses or more palatable to its leaders--beginning with its initial borrowing of various religious and non-religious traditions. This has not always had the effect of increased secularization.

[–]Real_American -4 points-3 points ago

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TL;DR motherfucker!

[–]MulderFoxx 44 points45 points ago

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I just thought about something... In the not too distant future, people will read these quotes and it won't be in Hitchens voice in their heads. :(

[–]HarryMcDowell 68 points69 points ago

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You're right; it will be their own :)

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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How do you figure? Carl Sagan died before I knew who he was and I read everything in his voice. Even this post.

[–]theShiftlessest 9 points10 points ago

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You seem to be forgetting the hours upon hours of video footage featuring Hitchens.

[–]Rmeder1 12 points13 points ago

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I disagree. The fact that someone can get on Youtube and watch a plethora of videos of him speaking, will (hopefully) keep his voice alive for future generations. My two cents.

[–]Piratiko 3 points4 points ago

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For some reason, I read 'plethora' in his voice.

[–]anudeglory 4 points5 points ago

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Because in the future audio and video recordings have been banned?

[–]benYosef 5 points6 points ago

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I still read Bertrand Russel with his voice. With youtube Hitchens voice will never die.

[–]Vandrel 2 points3 points ago

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Actually, I never knew all that much about Hitchens before he died. Thanks to the hours I've spent on Youtube watching videos of him, I can still read this quote in his voice.

[–]all_reposts[S] 2 points3 points ago

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That is a sad thought

[–]aephoenix 42 points43 points ago

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"Its," not "it's," in the last line.

[–]sesse 10 points11 points ago

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Funny thing is, when it first appeared here in /r/atheism, someone went to the trouble of correcting it and posting the fixed version in the comments. Of course, no one uses that when they repost here.

[–]twr8801 2 points3 points ago

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[–]aazav -1 points0 points ago

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And since he's dead and the quote is in the past, it's "nailed".

Thanks for the fixation.

[–]Piratiko 5 points6 points ago

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So you're saying it's its, not it's.

[–]aephoenix 9 points10 points ago

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It is, is it not? "It's" is for it is; "its" isn't. Instead, it is when some "it" is one's own.

[–]Piratiko 4 points5 points ago

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Indubitably.

[–]sharpfork 1 point2 points ago

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delicious!

[–]sharpfork 1 point2 points ago

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[–]I_am_a_Wumbologist 1 point2 points ago

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Quite.

[–]autonym 0 points1 point ago

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Yes. Hitchens would spin in his grave if he knew this illiteracy was being attributed to him.

[–]Chunkeeboi 0 points1 point ago

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Pointing out illiteracy is forbidden on threat of downvotes

[–]MrHerpDerp 1 point2 points ago

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Don't worry, those who would be offended can't read it anyway. Because they are illiterate.
Badum tsh.

[–]autonym 0 points1 point ago

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Not when discussing Hitchens. :)

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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It's a known fact that the karma value of an image with a famous person with text next to them drastically increases when said famous person dies.

We can see OP is taking great advantage of this fact in his endless pursuit of karma. Bravo, all_reposts, you are wise.

[–]all_reposts[S] 7 points8 points ago

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^ This guy gets it

[–]ketchupacket 3 points4 points ago

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Said clip from this debate called Is There an Afterlife?

[–]RastaFarva 14 points15 points ago

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I just hope one day, hundreds of years into the future an everyday person can look back and just admire how far they have come with science and technology. They'll look back and laugh at the idea of a christian or islamic god.

That or we'll all die at the hands of religion.

[–]Johnny_La_Rue 13 points14 points ago

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Hitch would've crucified you for that grocer's apostrophe.

[–]all_reposts[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I'll be more careful next time, I promise!

[–]cqxray 0 points1 point ago

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Can you change it? The misuse ruins the impact of the whole statement.

[–]agentmuu 2 points3 points ago

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Whereas once the world is run by atheists, it'll be technological warfare with anthropomorphic sea otters.

[–]JBarbs 2 points3 points ago

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Wrong ''its'' at the end there

[–]fool_of_a_took 1 point2 points ago

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Came here for this. And this is a pretty nice quote.

[–]FAPSLOCK 1 point2 points ago

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ITS

[–]averelltorrent 1 point2 points ago

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Didn't Christianity start out as a persecuted minority? Just sayin.

[–]skybluskyblue 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, they were persecuted for being "*atheists" because they would not honor other gods.

*that's what they were called at the time.

[–]aeyuth 1 point2 points ago*

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1- TY for the post 2- I shall translate it to Turkish and share it on f/b.

Hitchens, I miss you every day. Especially every time I watch these idiots in the GOP race telling us their intentions of obscuring the separation of (Christian) Church and State.

[–]GHDUDE17 1 point2 points ago

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Hitchens nailed it, as was usual.

FTFY.

[–]malvoliosf 1 point2 points ago

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“Just because a man has died for it, does not make it true.” -- Oscar Wilde

“Just because a man has killed for it, does not make it false.” -- me

If Hitchen is making the antireligious point that throughout history, religions have been a force for evil then, yes, he can bring up the behaviors of various churches and their followers.

If he is make the atheist point (that there is no god), then no, the behavior of those who claim to believe in one or more gods is irrelevant.

This is /r/atheism . Maybe we should make a /r/antireligion

[–]RollinWinds 1 point2 points ago

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Hey, just as a warning this is somewhat unrelated.

A few hours ago someone posted some video on intellectual arguments that hitchens made I think a while back. Does anyone have the link to this? I want to watch this when I get home, but I think I accidentally closed the tab that had it open on the home computer. I'd love to listen to this while I level my warlock tonight.

Thanks!

edit; the videos were on the prospect of religion and such. I'm sorry if this isn't hard to find, I'm not home yet and don't have full cable speed browsing potential.

[–]walled42 3 points4 points ago

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Was it the intelligence debate that he did with Stephen Fry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3DVJRoUYIE

[–]RollinWinds 1 point2 points ago

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I think it was! I vaguely remember it being a multi-part video. Thanks a bunch buddy!

[–]retorth 0 points1 point ago

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It's not the people who involve themselves in it that are the problem (well some of them are, extremists in particular) but its the concept itself because it breeds these problems.

[–]rjcarr 0 points1 point ago

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I've been thinking about this as I've been watching The Tudors. Now, I know that show is entertainment and isn't perfectly historically accurate (or even all that entertaining), but in checking their facts they do get quite a few things right, even the things you can't believe are true.

I don't think I would have made it back then (for one of many reasons). We take too much for granted.

[–]guardiandevil 0 points1 point ago

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*hits back button

OH GOD MY EYES

[–]weecore 0 points1 point ago

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I may be discussing this in the wrong subreddit - but wouldn't "God" still be capitalized in this situation? I'm assuming he's referring to the Judeo-Christian god.

[–]victoryorvalhalla 0 points1 point ago

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Is there a blank version of this picture somewhere, so that I can add my own favorite Hitchens quote?

[–]THErustyPELICAN 0 points1 point ago

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What is this quote from? Debate? One of his books?. . .

[–]TheOnePickle 0 points1 point ago

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Prince of a man. NAY, KING of a man.

[–]Outofmany 0 points1 point ago

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And that's also true about corporations and royalty.

[–]jcfenwick 0 points1 point ago

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"If God is for us, who could be against us?"

[–]dsauce 0 points1 point ago

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Forget it? None of us ever knew it.

[–]I_AM_THE_TOAST 0 points1 point ago

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*its

[–]normal_verb_raucher 0 points1 point ago

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2/6/1981: The Spanish Inquisition -- Never Expect.

[–]rriikkuu 0 points1 point ago

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nailed it**

[–]Radico87 0 points1 point ago

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Yep, living up to your username at least. I dislike replays on principle, they encourage the dilution of any merits a subreddit may have

[–]SubtleMockery 0 points1 point ago

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No one should pay for the sins of their fathers.

[–]skybluskyblue 0 points1 point ago*

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It's not so much that as it is the potential for it to repeat. [?]"...those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it".

[–]aazav 0 points1 point ago

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Not for thousands of years. Especially if those sins are all made up in the first place.

[–]GeorgePatton 0 points1 point ago

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That makes no sense. All he is doing is using big words to confuse the slow minded......or 98% of reddit.

[–]Fullerer 0 points1 point ago

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What about it doesn't make sense to you? It's an important reminder of how religion behaves whenever it does have power - don't be fooled by its mild appearance in the modern western world..

[–]recursionr 0 points1 point ago

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Agreed, but... "its side".

[–]krios262 0 points1 point ago

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Of course, this applies to times when an atheistic group had total control of a region too, right? Like Stalin?

[–]yourfaceyourass 0 points1 point ago

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This is a great explanation after seeing that Mormon ad on youtube about the scientist whose claiming that "were all just trying to find out the truth"

[–]aazav -1 points0 points ago

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were??

we're*

Please learn how to spell before you try to handle the harder things like "if there is a god or not".

[–]theresthezinger 0 points1 point ago

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There is an "it's" where there should be an "its". Oh my God; totally unforgivable. Please don't show this to religious people. Right or wrong, they'll use that fact, and that fact only, to completely ignore it.

[–]skybluskyblue 0 points1 point ago*

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That reminds me of the interview I heard on NPR today. Some expert on medieval history talking about his book on the Inquisition[s]. He said there was enough Christian bureaucratization involved to make it last forever. The only thing that stopped it was the Enlightenment. http://www.npr.org/2012/01/23/145512271/the-inquisition-a-model-for-modern-interrogators

[–]swingfield 0 points1 point ago

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And now the pendulum is swinging to the opposite side. You can't mention a theory of Intelligent Design in academia without being ousted asap.

[–]PowzA 0 points1 point ago

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Why must there be a typo in the quote? :(

[–]aazav 1 point2 points ago

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I know. Fucking pisses me off since it's so sloppy and shows lack of attention to detail.

If we can't spell at a fifth grade level, then how can we be regarded as being competent enough to know whether or not there is a god?

[–]PowzA 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, even though I agree with what Hitchens said, I can't agree with whoever put the text on that picture because they had a fucking grammatical error.

[–]flashpoint72 0 points1 point ago

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The shear enormity of what this man has trail blazed for us won't be realized for some time.

I have to say, that every time, I see an image of him or hear him speak through his countless debates (so many to be found on youtube alone ... and probably the greatest investment of time well 'wasted' ever on that site), I really feel the "lack" of not having him with us.

[–]anotherwhitekid 0 points1 point ago

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When I read this I saw "nails it," and "anal"... clicked

[–]whatsdis 0 points1 point ago

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Who gives a shit? There's more important things in the world to be pissed off about, let people be people and do whatever they like. Getting butthurt because someone is indoctrinating others isn't going to get you anywhere. As a matter of fact, i think the governments that used it as a tool to control the masses were much more vile then the religion itself. Make war on the MSM not freakin religion.

[–]THEMACGOD 0 points1 point ago

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*nailed it

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[–]Countryslice 0 points1 point ago

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Sigh Well at least god has another angel to keep him company. Miss you Hitch!

[–]generalchaoz 0 points1 point ago

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Are trying to do this just to piss me off and show how easy it is to get karma?

[–]1stTimeAtTheStripClb 0 points1 point ago

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When you have been raised and judged and scrutinized for years by religious zealots, and for years left to feel guilty at their hand because you believed them, or at least believed in the power they had over you, you come to appreciate this quote. Religious zealots are not strong but weak. They need the strokes of mutual belief or at least your fear of that belief to exist. When you see this weakness, that you feed it with your fear, it's easier to starve it and stop fearing. But don't pity them for a minute. They need to come to terms within themselves for their belief, and until they do, they are needy and dangerous.

[–]Spagneti 0 points1 point ago

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Could somebody please tell me in the Bible where it's said it is okay to kill people? I don't think it's in there. Therefor, do not blame the concepts behind Christianity for war, but the people who misinterpret and bend it to fit their will.

[–]0ctopus 0 points1 point ago

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Will someone please tell me where in the Bible it says that Noah discovered Australia? I don't think it's in there.

[–]Spagneti 0 points1 point ago

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I am sorry, but I do not understand your point. Could you please elaborate? I assume it's a clever retort / joke of some sort, but I am missing the proper reference.

[–]0ctopus 0 points1 point ago

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I am suggesting that while the Bible may not say to kill people directly (regardless of whether or not God does it right, LOL) it may still be implied in some way. Just as it must be implied that Noah not only discovered but also redelivered all the unique marsupials to Australia to preserve them during and after the flood.... Of course the idea that Noah discovered Australia 2,000 years before anyone else is absolute bullshit, but nevermind... That's the inside scoop

[–]digit01 0 points1 point ago

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Nailed not nails.

[–]JuckFeebus 0 points1 point ago

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when it had God on it's side

its*

He was a tremendous writer, so let's do him the honor of quoting him with proper grammar.

[–]SlaughterMeister 0 points1 point ago

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It's seriously awesome that I read this in Hitch's voice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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yes! YES! This is why I hate Christians. Yes, I make no bones about the word hate. They are just castrated Nazis. They didn't just lovingly give up power, a myriad of genocidal wars were waged to beat back the power of the church. If they had there way there'd be bodies hung up in the street tomorrow.

[–]nonsensepoem 0 points1 point ago

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Sorry, Hitchens would never have fucked up punctuation that way.

[–]lelik091 0 points1 point ago

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hitchens would have never confused the spelling of its and it's.

[–]rebo 0 points1 point ago

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It pains me that this man is dead.

[–]nerdvegas 0 points1 point ago

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"its", not "it's". Hitchens would be rolling in his fucking grave people.

[–]TROLLBUZZ 0 points1 point ago

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its side not it's side

not to be a grammar nazi but how do people still mess that up is beyond me

[–]balr 0 points1 point ago

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Shouldn't it be "on its side"?

Sorry, I'm still learning English everyday.

[–]freelittyta 0 points1 point ago

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i miss him.

[–]JOe_Dirt999 0 points1 point ago

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You accidentally an apostrophe

[–]skinny_sci_fi 0 points1 point ago

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Even though you're just reposting, you should change "it's" to "its," because saying religion had god on "it is side" is fucking stupid.

[–]floccons_de_mais 0 points1 point ago

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Oh, that one apostrophe... oooooh, you knew that would hurt me, didn't you?

[–]uzachan 0 points1 point ago

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Going to get downvoted but saying it anyway: "...had a god on its side..." not "it's"

grammar....

[–]aazav 0 points1 point ago

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Spelling and grammar fucking matter. How can our views on whether or not there is a god if we can't spell at a fifth grade level.

[–]uzachan 0 points1 point ago

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Haha, your incorrect punctuation was a simple mistake and I'll just let it go but I totally agree. I once read the most grammatically incorrect and super ignorant debate on abortions that included some ridiculous spelling errors (ex. every single time they used the word, 'the' it was just 'th'. I can understand once, but every. single. time!?)

[–]aazav 0 points1 point ago

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Hitchens would never write "it's" when he doesn't mean "it is".

Religion does not have god on "it is" side.

ಠ_ಠ

[–]Slyer 0 points1 point ago

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I remember hearing him say this, what video is it from?

[–]i_want_more_foreskin 0 points1 point ago

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Hitchens nails it most of the time, except when the Iraq war is mentioned...

[–]TheDudeaBides96 0 points1 point ago

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I'm probably one in maybe five people on this subreddit who think Hitchens is kind of a dick.

[–]cathmore 0 points1 point ago

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Guy is the Tupac of atheism.

[–]animeman05 0 points1 point ago

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Just like he nailed it on his opinion of invading Iraq and his belief they had WMDs. Why does r/atheism worship this warmonger?

[–]wonko221 0 points1 point ago

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He was astoundingly wrong on some issues. He was superbly right on others. Do you insist that an individual be wholly "good" in order to celebrate their successes?

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points ago

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Says the man who supported unequivocally American military "adventures" in Iraq...

[–]errodr 5 points6 points ago

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Good point. It seems to me that this quote could be applied to just about idea or concept that has been around for a while. Look at governments of the world...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Absolutely. I was for the most part making the less subtle point that he cheer-leaded a neo-conservative (at the time) state in wars with under-tones of religious conflict both implicit and explicit. But it is certainly true that what he says can be applied to most ideologies.

I never really got all the Hitchens love. So he knows his own mind and isn't afraid to speak it, he's an affluent white middle aged man. SO BRAVE...

[–]catvllvs 1 point2 points ago

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Because everything a person says must be judged against everything else they say and do... yes, that makes sense. I knew there was a reason why I hate everyone who listens to Country and Western music and the only people who have opinions worth listening to are indigenous homeless alcoholics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I did not at any point say it invalidated his comment, I am merely amused by the hypocrisy.

[–]yellowstone10 1 point2 points ago

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I do think it's worth noting that, though Hitchens was wrong about the war in Iraq, he was wrong for the right reasons. He was deeply committed to anti-totalitarianism, and saw the war as a way to remove one of the world's most thoroughly evil leaders and to liberate an oppressed people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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3 million displaced, thousands upon thousands dead, and all to replace a totalitarian regime with a police state. I really don't care what your intellectual justification is, it makes not a shred of difference in the end.

[–]aazav -1 points0 points ago

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Yep. Sorta not good judgment on his part in that case.

[–]Bobertica1 -1 points0 points ago

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God is obviously real.

[–]aazav 1 point2 points ago

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Aliens!

[–]duchovny -4 points-3 points ago

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Oh look, it's another picture of someone with a black background and white text.

[–]0ctopus 0 points1 point ago

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Books are stacks a paper with words on em!

[–]AwesomeArabDude -2 points-1 points ago

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damn.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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Insert any ideology that may have contributed to the deaths of millions of people -> here. Maybe we should further reduce the commission of the aforementioned atrocities to their common root: the incredibly fallible and power thirsty human being.

[–]Andrewdles 0 points1 point ago

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It is very true that ideologies of all kinds are used for aggression at some time or another and to omit non-religious ideologies would be a mistake.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Thank you. I was waiting for someone to finally grasp that simple, yet very poignant point.

[–]0ctopus 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, what a useless point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Likewise.

[–]GorgonMultiplex 0 points1 point ago

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that may have contributed to the deaths of millions of people

Interestingly, Hitchens was one of the loudest cheerleaders for war in Iraq.

I'm always amazed to see such a scumbag held up as a "model atheist." His fervor for war displayed the righteous belligerence of a religious devotee.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Or an insane member of the human race hiding behind communism. I know. So many parallels.

[–]scott01019 -1 points0 points ago

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nailed*... :(

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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God on its side.

FTFY. Fucking Hitchens, damn illiterate. Totally going to hell for that.

[–]IRCZT -1 points0 points ago

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i'm tired of this black and white conception that you can have either a creator or knowledge and not both, end of discussion. this quote really makes me boil. i hate that just because organized religion made an ass of itself, believers in a higher being at all have been made the new crowd being persecuted.

[–]Real_American -2 points-1 points ago

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This quote has absolutely ZERO context. Not to say I don't agree.

[–]smalltime101 -2 points-1 points ago

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I really don't see how people can hold current religious people accountable for what was done in the past. It wasn't the religion that did this. If people had no religion at all the horrors still would of been committed. Religion was just a tool they used to justify it. It could of very well been patriotism or any kind of belief. You say the world is flat? I'll kill you for it. I'm not saying religion is a good thing. I really have no opinion on the matter. I just can't stand people blaming present day people for things that happened so long ago. There's plenty of bullshit going on presently to throw in their face. I'm also not saying that we should forget the atrocities either. But still It's not religion that does these atrocities. It's man. Because man controls religion like a tool. And you don't blame the tool for your problems.

[–]Gorthax 0 points1 point ago

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Well played

[–]skybluskyblue -1 points0 points ago

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So, religions don't kill people; people kill people[?] So, some things are not dangerous enough to attempt to restrict? Like nuclear weapons?

[–]smalltime101 0 points1 point ago

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/sigh do you blame nuclear science and the energy it supplies for the bombs?

[–]skybluskyblue 0 points1 point ago

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nope

[–]smalltime101 0 points1 point ago

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Then I would say this is the same reasoning. You can say religion does harmful things and it does. But it's people who actually commit atrocities. So blame the people. But don't stop the fight to educate the others. But at least do it civilly and not defeat your own purpose by using the same methods that the more idiotics Christians use. Like saying all atheist are bad because of because some atheist went and killed a bunch of guys.

[–]NigelTufnelsSpandex -2 points-1 points ago

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Religion uses fact-free invective and unsupported conclusions!

Like, uh, this statement by Hitch.

Oh wait, since he's dead he was automatically right about everything. Carry on, atheist chorus of agreement.

[–]skybluskyblue 0 points1 point ago

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So, you need historical citations or...?

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[–]wonko221 -1 points0 points ago

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...anyone who's ever had a class in classic philosophy or theology would understand the difference between the undeniable fact that there IS a prime creator....

You're absolutely wrong. 100% wrong. And willfully proud while being wrong.

Firstly, you run into the problem of infinite regression. Did something create the Prime Creator? If so, then why isn't that thing the Prime Creator? If not, then you have given an example of "something coming out of nothing". And the very source of the argument for a Prime Creator is the idea that "something cannot come out of nothing."

Secondly, arguments for the Prime Creator are based on logic. Logic is a system that attempts to prove that given the accepted premises a conclusion must be true. So, if our premises are completely fucked up, and something, or everything, always was, then the conclusion that the Prime Creator must be a truth is equally fucked. We have no way of proving that there ever was "nothing", only the ability to speculate that this is the case. Even if the "Big Bang" theory is correct, this is only a statement of what came after the bang. What if it's an infinitely recurring cycle, with no starting point but simply really dramatic punctuation?

But don't worry, i won't sue you for your bad grammar, bad rhetoric, or bad spelling. I'll just move along.