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sky-high LOAN WTF (i.imgur.com)
submitted 7 months ago by viksra
[–]Doxiedad 631 points632 points633 points 7 months ago
Yeah, those loans are predatory. They keep trying to make them illegal but the lobbyists keep stopping it.
At least now they have to better disclose upfront how much the loan is going to cost you.
[–]Phuque 400 points401 points402 points 7 months ago
This in particular is a Native American Company operating on a Native American Reservation which are not subject to US laws. They can do pretty much whatever they want.
If you owned a loan company, you would certainly not be allowed to loan with terms such as those.
[–]Velinus 191 points192 points193 points 7 months ago
Since they are Native American, if you simply decide not to pay them can they do anything lawfully to you? I mean, if they are immune to US Laws then aren't you immune to theirs? Honest question.
[–][deleted] 745 points746 points747 points 7 months ago
Nope. I live by a reservation and it's pretty much they get the states help whenever they want it but they don't have to do shit for us. So you take out a loan and never pay it? They will destroy your credit even though they don't play by our rules. We've actually had issues where I live because anyone on the reservation doesn't have to follow state laws, so when they want you out of their reservation they burn down your house and tell the fire department not to come. So everyone just crowds around and watches a persons house burn down and they aren't welcome on the res anymore. Police also cannot search anything on their property without a chiefs consent. Pretty ridiculous. I'm actually part native American and I won't even associate with them even though I'd get money for it. They are fucking nuts down there, which sucks because their cigarettes are so cheap :( and I'm too ascared to go down there at night :(
[–]hoboeroticism 299 points300 points301 points 7 months ago*
This is the real WTF of this post, and to be clear, I'm talking about the "we'll burn your house down and tell the fire department not to come" part.
[–]zops 53 points54 points55 points 7 months ago
THATS how the reservation sells me cigarettes @ $15/carton. I'd rather sleep on the street for 2 months then pay back 40 grand for 5.
[–]Diels_Alder 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
I'd rather sleep on the street for 2 months then pay back 40 grand for 5.
Just FYI, a $5,000 30-year mortgage taken out in the early 80s had an interest rate of 15%. So in that case you'd end up paying back 23 grand for 5.
[–]swuboo 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
The average APR on a 30-year mortgage in 1983 ranged from 12.74% to 13.95%. Western Sky's $5,000 loan has an APR of 116.73%. *
Your math is right, but it's not at all the same thing.
* "Please be aware that not all applicants will qualify for every loan product or the lowest interest rate for a particular loan product."
[–]Canadian_Infidel 21 points22 points23 points 7 months ago
I've never been on a res without a freshly burned down house somewhere on it. Not that I've been on many, but how many houses do you see burned anyway?
[–]EyeFicksIt 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
It's WTF across the board.
$5,075 Loan//$5,000// $75//116.73%//84//$486.58
$2,600 Loan//$2,525// $75//139.22%//47//$294.46
$1,500 Loan//$1,000//$500//234.25%//24//$198.19
[–]hitlersshit 88 points89 points90 points 7 months ago
We've actually had issues where I live because anyone on the reservation doesn't have to follow state laws, so when they want you out of their reservation they burn down your house and tell the fire department not to come.
Can anyone confirm that this is a real phenomenon?
[–]MrJubalEarly 127 points128 points129 points 7 months ago
Yeah, my uncles cabin in Arizona was burnt down because it was on a reservation and they didn't like him living there. He lived there for about 20 years before they burnt it down.
[–]HolodeckJizzmopper 43 points44 points45 points 7 months ago
Would be curious to hear of any "retribution burning" stories where, according to their own rules, shunned person has their house burned down, so shunned person goes and torches the chief's house or other antagonists' houses.
Does this happen ?
[–]jredbone 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
Jeremiah Johnson
[–]Stopher 13 points14 points15 points 7 months ago
This would would make a great movie with the "The Rock" as star. I would totally go see that.
[–]telephonepiano 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I was just gonna say that, a modern-day western.
[–]FinalFate 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
I assume not, since they'd probably call the fire department. And the police. And it would be pretty obvious who did it.
[–]feanturi 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
So I could go burn down somebody's house, then go burn down the chief's house, so that the first guy is now double-fucked and nobody suspects me.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Actually, the fool-proof plan would be to wait for the natives to burn down someone's house, and then strike the chief. Otherwise they will suspect a random arsonist, because the natives would know they did not set fire to the person's house.
[–]seblasto 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
Good, good...
[–]Stevo182 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yeah, a serial arsonist.
[–]canadianman001 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
if someone burned down my house that way. I'd run through the backyards with some homemade napalm. Splash a little bit on each house running one way, light it all running back.
[–]throw81204 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
The mental imagery is amazing!
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 7 months ago
Trail of Tears 2012 NAPALM MOTHERFUCKERS
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Yeah but they'd call the cops and fire department and ask them to come, to get you. But to forget about your burning house.
[–]seek_0 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
Arizona here too, and I can confirm this happens. It happens the other way too, with non-natives torching their own places on native land. People will have cabins on long-term leased lands, develop them until they're pretty nice, and then the lease will come up and the the tribe will refuse to renew it because they want the now-developed lot and cabin. Usually a month to a week before the cabin has to be left there's an "accident."
If I recall correctly there was a big wave of this around Hawley Lake in the 70s/80s.
[–]Stupidconspiracies 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
This happened to a buddy of mine's winery. Lease went up and the owner decided not to renew it so they would own the acres of grape vines. The awesome thing is he paid me and another guy to spend 3 months tearing up the entire winery, so that the lease owner wouldn't end up with something my buddy's family had put 25 years into. Nothing quite like seeing someone spend 25 grand on spite.
[–]half-mast 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
THEN SALT THE FUCKING EARTH!!!!
[–]ThrustVectoring 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I don't get why the lessor wouldn't offer a fairly large sum of money to convince the lessee to transfer over the remaining part of the lease immediately.
[–]syphilis_smile 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Who would invest 25 years of their lives on improvements and betterments for someone else's property?
[–]recoil669 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
For the guy who deleted the "nuke them" comment: Gotta nuke something.
[–]Plornt 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
I was seriously expecting to look at the name and find the novelty account guy who gives BS explanations (Fairly sure its "BSExplanations").
[–]spleazeball 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
I love that guy.
[–]Giggity_Giggity23 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago*
I'm sure it's real. There was a news story awhile back where a fire department was ordered to protect the houses NEXT to the one that was burning. Because they had paid they're service fee for the year, and the house burning had not. It was only about $75 and one of the firefighters offered to pay it because he just couldn't watch the family suffer, but the fire chief didn't allow him. People are fucked up.
Edit: also- I know this isn't totally related but it brings Up that they WILL let a house burn.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/t/no-pay-no-spray-firefighters-let-home-burn/
And they did it again just last month http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again
[–]acientalien 52 points53 points54 points 7 months ago
I work in insurance, he's right, but a little off. How is works is people that live in the county (not in a city) pay less taxes, but have less services, like they live on dirt roads, no city water (they have a well), etc. They have to pay a fire department to cover their house. If they do not pay, then yes, the fire department will come out, let that house burn but save any house around it (assuming the other houses paid the fire subscription fees).
Basically, you pay, they protect, you don't pay, they let your house burn down. In their defense though, they have to. If they put the fire out even if you didn't pay, then no one would pay and then the fire department would not be able to operate, so they must be strict on this policy. I hope that makes sense.
[–]Ran4 78 points79 points80 points 7 months ago
...that's why you have tax funded fire departments.
[–]jswhitten 50 points51 points52 points 7 months ago
socialism!
[–]canadianman001 37 points38 points39 points 7 months ago
You're right, and it saves lives and property.
[–]UnknownHours 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
The city can't levy taxes on people who live outside the city.
[–]b4freedom 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
We have volunteer only fire departments that does fund raising. I get a tax right off by donating to the local fire department. Local employers allow firefighters working for them to leave in an emergency.
[–]Let_us_live_in_peace 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
No. That's why you don't live on a goddamned Indian reservation.
[–]wucy 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
"In a nearby county, rural homeowners can purchase a $110 subscription to cover fires, but they can also pay on the spot for fire protection: $2,200 for the first two hours firefighters are on the scene and $1,100 for each additional hour."
Why don't all counties without tax-funded fire departments have this? Seems like it'd help both the department and the homeowner.
[–]Klowned 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Can I just scream "I'll pay you, I'll pay you" and they will work before I pay them? Or do they clear payment first like smart people?
[–]toomuchred 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
What do the fire dept do if somebody is trapped in the burning, unpaid-for building?
[–]DigDugDude 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
If people are trapped in the building do they let them burn?
[–]Braddigan 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
These are small houses in rural areas. I think most people get trapped in large fires in buildings with several floors, where they can be blocked off from exiting the building if the fire started on a floor below them.
[–]gsjamian 28 points29 points30 points 7 months ago
although i sympathize with those people, it poses a legitimate issue. lets say there are 100 people in the town, and only one person pays the $75 dollars. Then, someone's house starts to burn down, and they say, oh NOW I'll pay the money. Well, guess what, $75 isn't enough to buy a fire truck, so there IS no fire department. They need people to pay that money BEFORE there house burns down, because unless everyone does, then nobody can save their house from a fire. I agree that it is a TOTALLY fucked up situation, and I absolutely sympathize with the family. But at the same time, the fire chief has a responsibility to the people who did pay up and who expect a service that they payed for to be implemented. If he allowed this person to just pay up now that his house was on fire, it would set a terrible precedent, and then nobody would pay at all b/c they know they can just wait until their house actually IS on fire.
[–]faceinthegrass 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That had nothing to do with a reservation though. Also THEIR service fee.*
[–]piasenigma 56 points57 points58 points 7 months ago
This goes both ways, I too lived near a reservation when I was a kid in Wisconsin, people would always say the people on the res got to do whatever they want. But life was rough there on the res, it was basically straight ghetto, and the police basically ignored them.
[–]UrbanToiletShrimp 43 points44 points45 points 7 months ago
I too live near a relatively large reservation in Oregon, and it really is a ghetto. I had the opportunity to take a 3 day rafting trip down a river that is the boundary between the reservation and BLM land, the BLM side was beautiful and pristine grasslands, whereas some of the sections of the res were completely covered in garbage, sofas, mattresses, junker cars, random trailers that were probably mobile meth labs, and tons of other random debris like diapers and broken bottles. We weren't allowed to land on the reservation side either.
[–]Osiris32 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
Ahh, Warm Springs. Th only locale in Oregon where you have to pump your own gas, can buy cheap cigarettes and liquor, and can get the fun fireworks.
[–]UrbanToiletShrimp 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Indeed, it really is a dump though. I work in the electronics dept. at the Fred Meyer in Redmond, which is like the closest department-style store to the res besides the Super Wal-Mart on the other side of town (there really isn't anything in Madras) so I interact with tribal members on a nearly daily basis. For the most part they are nice people, but a lot of the youth are little wannabe thugs.
[–]Osiris32 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Though there is still some gorgeous country out there. You just have to avoid the meth labs and pot plantations.
[–]Naughtyburrito 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Why would one avoid a pot plantation?
[–]the_iron_squirrel 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Is it sad that when I read this post originally, all I could think about was why didn't Walter White find a way to cook on a reservation near Albuquerque?
[–]snugglebandit 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Oregon is also home to predatory lending and towing companies that dont need a reservation to operate legally.
[–]Joeman12 35 points36 points37 points 7 months ago
It is ghetto because the people that live there make it that way. They get more than enough government compensation (in Canada at least) to make them kings and own mansions, but most of them just sit on the res, get wasted and don't give a fuck about anything but when their next welfare check comes in. Source?
My brother works for a gas company that installs gas lines into new houses and such. He gets a call to go to a certain res probably 5 times a year to install a new gas line. All sounds good, until he realizes that he has been to this property before, and that its not a new person moving in, rather someone burnt down their old house and wanted a new on. Probably going to get downvoted for telling the truth (in our area at least) but its really what happens. Sick thing is that the native people who burnt down the house gets a new one bought and paid for, delivery and all from the government.
[–]zestwork 30 points31 points32 points 7 months ago
I don't know about the situation in Canada, but there is a very widespread misconception in the US that American Indians receive some sort of welfare or other monetary compensation from the Federal Government for simply being a tribal member. That is wholly untrue here in the US. There are quite a number of tribes that do offer "per capita" checks to their tribal members, though that money is derived from tribal owned business profits or profit sharing, usually from casinos.
[–]rewr 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
In Canada the government does throw money at the reservations, though this is not the same as throwing it at the people on the reservations, because the band leaders are often corrupt and spend the money in terrible ways that does little to benefit the people.
[–]Peejee13 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
Yeah, not in the US. I worked on the files for the BIA vs US Gov and the overwhelming majority of the paperwork for US reservations chronicle abuse and neglect at a level that is heartbreaking. We stole their land on the basis of holding money in trusts then "lost" billions of dollars we promised them. Classy, US gov.
[–]latarian 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
You should do an AMA.
[–]McMammoth 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
I'd read it.
[–]Switche 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Do you mind telling us what reservation it is that's near you? Is it crime that keeps you out of there at night?
[–]dg10050 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
So you take out a loan and never pay it? They will destroy your credit even though they don't play by our rules.
Keep in mind that credit bureaus are private companies. Any company can become a customer of a credit bureau and report loans, missed payments, etc.
That's not really something to do with the law.
[–]daddyhominum 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Racist bullshit. I live on a reserve among the nicest, most honest people around. No break-ins;no car jacking; no street people; no racing cars; and so on. And I am not indian
[–]Icebot 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
No, they have big problems with this in the automotive industry, most car dealerships will not finance you if you have a reservation address, because they generally purchase cars and never make a payment and keep them on the reservation where they are unrecoverable to US repo companies.
However, like Jpalleschi said in their post, Native American run businesses realize that US law does not apply and Tribal law is pretty corrupt, so if you do not pay them, they come after your ass mafia style. It's quite lawless.
[–]eye_patch_willy 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
You would be required to consent to their jurisdiction. If you welch, they would sue, you probably don't show up and they would find you and execute a writ on some property of yours (car, kitchen appliances, land, etc). If you tried to fight it in state or federal court they would rule that you consented to tribal jurisdiction and need to take it up with them. If you don't consent, you don't get the loan.
[–]tnick771 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Nope. See: Public Law 280 (PL 280) or 1885 Major Crimes Act, 18 U.S.C. §§1153, 3242
[–]rnelsonee 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago*
I know payday loans are still popular despite recent regulations, so I looked it up - it seems about half the states allow APR's well over 100% because small-loan and payday loan legislation is not subject to usury laws that apply to larger loans (note the 4th column isn't in APR, it's the rate for just that term. I think a bi-weekly rate of 15% = 1.1526 = 3780% APR).
[–]judgej2 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
I saw one for over 7000% APR on a daytime TV advert the other day, here in the UK. I nearly spat my tea out when I saw that.
[–]fullerwine 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
native american reservations certainly are subject to some US laws- it is a gross over-generalization/straight up inaccurate to say otherwise. reservations are technically "domestic dependent nations" that operate roughly as if they were their own states. over the past few centuries there have been numerous court cases clarifying the status of tribal sovereignty pertaining to different criminal situations. i am not sure what the precedent is for federal regulation of loan companies within tribal reservations, but native americans are very much subject to US laws in other ways- for example, the General Crimes Act of 1834 extended federal criminal jurisdiction to crimes between Indians and non-Indians on tribal land, and the Major Crimes Act of 1885 extended federal criminal jurisdiction over more serious crimes including murder, manslaughter, rape, arson, burglary, and larceny that occur between tribal members.
more info on federal criminal laws applicable to reservations (a la wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Country_Jurisdiction
"Some federal criminal statutes are applicable throughout the entire nation, including Indian country, and apply to both Indians and non-Indians, such as treason, theft involving the U.S. mail, the Organized Crime Control Act, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), and the Contraband Cigarette Trafficking Act."
[–]ProbabilityOfFurries 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The commercial acknowledges that the interest rates are obscene. At least the one I saw. They say "Yeah the rates are high, but fucking pay them"
[–]mynameispapi 49 points50 points51 points 7 months ago
Lowest point in my life, I was 18 years of age and drained every penny out of my checking account. Adding salt to the wound. I was fined a 30 dollar insufficient fund fee 10 times for buying (10) 0.99 cent chicken sandwiches on separate occasions. Needed cash ASAP to survive and pay down payment for rent but only had a job for 2 weeks. Went into one of those "cash now" places and borrowed 500 dollars at an APR of ~330%.
[–]morningsaystoidleon 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
If anyone reading this is going through a similar situation, call your bank. They'll probably waive at least some of the overdraft charges, especially if you're with a credit union.
Also, if you're young, DON'T USE YOUR CREDIT. It seems like such an easy way out, but a lot of times you can cancel the Xbox Live and sell a few of your gadgets on eBay to get by for a little while. You'll thank yourself later.
Also, learn to cook. For $10, you could make a whole lot more than 10 meals.
[–]KenjiNorris 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
Mother of god...
[–]jimicus 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago
That's the sort of people these companies target.
There are similar firms in the UK and they're just as bad - stupidly high interest rates because they know full well their clients are very likely to default. They don't make as much money as you'd expect because very few people who take out the loans keep up the payments for the entire term - most wind up defaulting within a year and even if you take them to court they have no assets to seize.
[–]KenjiNorris 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's fucked up to the max
[–]morningsaystoidleon 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
I know. 10 chicken sandwiches.
[–]craigeryjohn 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
And you paid nowhere near 330% APR if you paid it back in a few weeks. How long did you keep the loan?
[–]SmokeyDBear 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
No, he paid the full 330% APR, he just didn't pay it for a full year.
[–]FredtheFart 32 points33 points34 points 7 months ago
Well I'll loan you 5k for only 41 payments of 450. And i will still make over 10k. Not including late payment charges. Loan sharks are cheaper
[–]BBQsauce18 20 points21 points22 points 7 months ago
Suddenly.. Idea!
edit--you and me fred! we will call it Fart and Fart loaning.. we will only have semi predatory loaning practices.. what can go wrong!?
[–]FredtheFart 42 points43 points44 points 7 months ago
Let's do it, I always wanted to be a legal thief, but congress would not have me as one of their members
[–]BBQsauce18 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Score!
[–]yoonie 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
I think it should be named... Fart & Sauce
[–]BBQsauce18 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
or just shorten it to Fartsauce?
[–]Batman_Von_Suparman2 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You know what's sad? Somewhere out there is a poor bastard that's wasting his money on this.
[–]Hellman109 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Here in Australia they put in laws not too long ago to stop it, I love it when the people not the companies have the power.
[–]GuntripAnalysis 292 points293 points294 points 7 months ago
Your rates soar like eagle
[–]Tibyon 34 points35 points36 points 7 months ago
Spirit mother say that though I lay with fire-haired man, great eagle bring us child
[–]giantsfan97 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
This made me laugh much more than it should have. Bravo.
[–]Waff1es 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
Had to scroll back to confirm you did it in a stereotypical native voice.
[–]thatguy1977 74 points75 points76 points 7 months ago
She did say that the money is expensive...
[–]mikesername 36 points37 points38 points 7 months ago
Came here to say this. Even in the commercials with the guy, they say "Suuuure the money's expensive, but..."
[–]anythingtwice 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
"...but it's a lot cheaper than a payday loan." Which is, sadly, probably true (though I haven't bothered to do the math).
[–]Tude 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Payday loans can be close to a 1000% interest rate.
[–]autocorrector 139 points140 points141 points 7 months ago
116.73% interest. Wow.
[–]ericanderton 91 points92 points93 points 7 months ago*
Seriously. That entire line of small-print is chock-full of WTF.
According to OP's math, the 84-payment plan is something like 700% of the principal in interest/surcharges/fees.
Western Sky Financial, LLC, is a 100% Native American-owned business operating on a Native American Reservation.
Ah, that explains the obscene usury fees; not to slag Native Americans or anything, but as a discrete nation they enjoy their own laws. Meanwhile, all the states in the union have much more reasonable caps on interest for such things.
[–]flfolks 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
There are a number of states that have zero cap on interest rates.
[–]ILikeLenexa 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
I live near Haskell Indian Nations University and it brings many Native Americans to the area from many different tribes. I find their unique license plates to be entertaining when you're inevitable stuck in Lawrence traffic.
[–]BBQsauce18 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I had a buddy in High School get a full ride to that college. Heard many good things about it.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 7 months ago
SHUT UP FREE MARKET WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING
/idiocy
[–]Lolfest 30 points31 points32 points 7 months ago
If you're dumb enough to take out a loan at that rate, despite it clearly describing how expensive it is, then you don't deserve money in the first place.
[–]Doozer 42 points43 points44 points 7 months ago
Victim blaming.
[–]tEnPoInTs 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
Dude, if you can apply victim-blaming to this, what can't you apply it to? I am not a champion of the free market, and I think regulations are needed for stuff like this, but victim!? really? At what point did we just fucking throw personal responsibility out the window. When did we start idiot-proofing every decision in our society?
[–]Jofat 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
Some people who take out loans like this are in desperate financial straits, or going through some other shit in their life, and maybe they aren't very good with numbers, and they latch on to what looks on the surface like an opportunity to get out of their circumstances.
Clearly the line of personal responsibility has to be drawn somewhere, but that doesn't change the predatory and misleading nature of these loans.
Government enforces the debt through the judicial system (they can garnish your wages or seize property). Some governments enforce debt with prison. But that is better than the more lawless mafia approach to debt repayment...
[–]neilmcc 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
What do you think happens if there are price controls on loans?
There is a shortage of capital for those types of loans. There's no competition.
Free market does solve this by undercutting the ridiculous prices.
APR is an annual rate. 100% APR during 7 years is total interest of 700%
You both are right.
[–]anothershittyUN 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
i do not intend this as offensive, but it might be:
is it possible that these interest rates are what the payroll advance market demands in economically-depressed areas?
[–]AltF4me 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
That's nothing compared to some companies here in the UK: 4214% APR
[–]jamest5789 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
To be fair Wonga is a short term loan and has to be paid back in less than a month so the actual interest isn't as much as some people make it out to be, although it is still far too high.
You are probably better off taking whatever the penalty is for not paying whatever bills you need to pay.
[–]Relldavis 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
At least the repayment terms are in days instead of years like the OP. Not that it isn't still insane... what is that? like 12% interest per day?!
[–]monkeymeat 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
No, it's everything different to Wonga, because Wonga's loan repayment schedule is 30 days, so effective interest is 5-10%. Wonga's not cheap, but you don't end up paying 8x times the original loan amount by design.
[–]ToAGasChamberGo 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
They reduced my interest down to 0%, if you know what I mean.
[–]JW10 104 points105 points106 points 7 months ago
To*
[–][deleted] 48 points49 points50 points 7 months ago
Too borrow! Too borrow! I love ya, too borrow! You're only a day awayyy
[–]CharlesDeGaulle 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
I wonder what song I'll be singing all day...
[–]smalltool 15 points16 points17 points 7 months ago
We have Wonga in the UK, APR >4000%.
[–]britishchris 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
The APR of Wonga is stupidly high, but then you're not borrowing with the aim of paying it back over a long period, so while 4000% is LOL if you actually get to the point where the APR percentage is actually relevant you were a fool to borrow.
If you need an advance till payday you end up paying, but it's not unreasonable if you're desperate...
[–]bigsol81 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Payday advances are almost always a huge ripoff. They're designed from the ground up to prey on the desperate.
[–]clumsymechanic 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
followed your link and was redirected to the canadian website
[–]secretvictory 33 points34 points35 points 7 months ago
for perspective: 84 months equals seven years.
[–]beefjerkier 59 points60 points61 points 7 months ago
If they can get away with this, then I bet they can get away with an Indian reservation version of Megaupload!
[–]thubada 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
That's like the ads on TV for computers where all you need is a checking account. I think its Tronics Country who will sell you about 300 dollars of hardware for a total of 2500$.
[–]LowHz 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
At least Tronix Country seems to be shipping computers. The last company that did this BlueHippo collected more then $15 million and only sent out one pc. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/like-taking-candy-computers-from-a-baby-the-poor.ars
[–]Hyptic 23 points24 points25 points 7 months ago
I looked up the company because I honestly didn't believe it. Yup it's true, http://www.westernsky.com/General/Rates.aspx WOW. This is not legal in Canada, you can only charge I believe it's $20-$22 on each hundred borrowed.
[–]rnelsonee 11 points12 points13 points 7 months ago
True, but $20 on $100 could easily be 1000% APR depending on the term (due to compounding). But Wikipedia says anything over 60% is generally considered criminal, so that's good.
[–]TheSelfGoverned 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
According to the prophet Muhammad, any rate over 0% is immoral.
[–]azakus 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Is it just me, or is California missing from that list?
[–]secretvictory 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
note that the rates don't seem to change from state to state.
[–]deityofchaos 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Wow, red rating on Web of Trust across the board, not clicking that link.
[–]tomridesbikes 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago*
Its not legal in the state of Georgia, we're not as backwards as I thought lol
[–]mylastbreath 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago*
The rate cap is not regulated federally but independently by each province and varies between $17 (Manitoba) to around $30 for every $100 borrowed, and in some provinces the cap goes up once the borrower has defaulted on the loan. There are also limits on the percentage of net income that can be borrowed, usually 30% or 50% depending on the province.
[–]heathherlynn 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago
they do say "the moneys expensive.." thats ridiculous
[–]bbk13 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I know. the ad with the guy is better. he is like sure its expensive, but you get it tomorrow with no collateral! He's almost apologetic.
[–]Qweef 32 points33 points34 points 7 months ago
Every month that lady in the ad personally jacks you off as well NOW WHAT??????
[–]jcgv 56 points57 points58 points 7 months ago
for 35k you can probably buy a women from a mexican drug gang and have her delivered to your front door.
[–]getfarkingreal 46 points47 points48 points 7 months ago
links?
[–]BlackStrain 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago
Ya but if you're borrowing 5k you don't have 35k just lying around so you'd need to pay for her with monthly payments which will probably shoot that up to 280k.
[–]DGer 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
She'd have to mix the vagina into the equation for me to be interested.
[–]Mostfoul 24 points25 points26 points 7 months ago
Have to drink lots of fire water to agree to those terms.
[–]HalfaTaterTot 32 points33 points34 points 7 months ago
since when is "$40,872,72" the way to write out a number let alone money?
[–]London_Bridge 31 points32 points33 points 7 months ago
Yeah its actually $40,872.72 not $4,087,272 big difference.
[–]esuma10 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I saw the two commas and immediately thought it was in the millions. Funny how the brain works.
[–]Shelobe 17 points18 points19 points 7 months ago
That comma should be a period. 40,872.72.
[–]smek2 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago
It gets even better. I think this is about revenge.
[–]9-1-Holyshit 16 points17 points18 points 7 months ago
I thought student loans were bad. Shit.
[–]_jamil_ 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Student loans are some of the best loans you can get. Very low interest.
They are bad in the sense that it's very hard to get out of paying them, but 2-3% interest is nothing.
[–]ImmaRoxiStar 40 points41 points42 points 7 months ago
Damn sneaky indians always trying to keep the white man down.
[–]GavinRC 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Check out quickquid.co.uk. APR 1734%. ಠ_ಠ ... They even have a advert on tv.
[–]Your_Peacock 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Read their 'small' print.
[–]unevendoll 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
wow.. I love learning new things everyday!
[–]munkyxtc 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Even in the commercial the dude says something along the lines of "Now, these loans aren't cheap..." I guess he wasn't kidding.
[–]xCaffeineQueen 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago*
-"Yes, the money is expensive."
I always wondered what their catch was. Holy crap!
Edit: Corrected the quote taken from the commercial.
[–]SicDigital 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I got behind on my taxes. This is pretty much how the IRS calculates their payment plans.
[–]mostlywrong 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That is not correct. Penalties are charged up to a certain percentage for a certain amount of time. The interest rates are published and usually hover areound 5% or 6%. Penalties do accrue daily on balances due, penalties stop accruing (usually after 5 months or less,) so to get the kind of numbers of this you would have to owe a huge amount, like several hundreds of thousands. If you owe more than you can afford to pay, you can apply to have your liability reduced to what you can afford. And you can always ask for penalties to be removed (even without a good reason, everyone gets one, meaning everyone can get penalties removed just because they ask once.) Yeah taxes suck, and the tax code is ridiculous where it currently is, but there are a lot of options that people aren't aware of, or just assume they don't qualify for. The thing is it never hurts to try, because worst case scenario, it will just stay the same.
[–]Astrogator 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Looks like some form of stupidity tax. I approve.
[–]Sir_Richfield 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Well, even when we ignore the possible typo and that even without it (somebody claimed they meant 48 month) it's still a fuckton of money to pay for 5000 bucks.... IF I could afford paying around $500 PER MONTH!, I fucking wouldn't need a $5.000 loan, would I?
[–]anonoman925 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I have to hand it to them - they're selling those smallpox blankets back to us.
[–]Boots2Asses 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
Hey how are ya hey how are ya
[–]cjt09 18 points19 points20 points 7 months ago
Payday loans aren't a new invention, they've been around for several decades now (although they are illegal in several states). It's true that the interest rates are very high, this is for good reason: they're meant to be very short-term loans and many, many people default on their loans--they're risky. No one is getting rich off payday loans.
As far as being predatory, it's true that they're designed for people who need money before their next paycheck, but at the same time realize that people aren't stupid. They realize that the interest rates are incredibly high, but when you need to choose between paying the electric bill and getting a loan, you're going to get the loan.
[–]Arboura 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
I was about to say this. Pay day loan ~1 month, obviously the APR is going to be insane.
[–]unheimlich 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago
Get thee hence, ye foul smelling beast of reason!
[–]BornOnFeb2nd 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Well, fuck... paying us back for that smallpox misunderstanding I guess...
[–]alphawolf29 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Hurting the white man where he feels it the most...his wallet.
They are trying to get enough money back to buy back their land.
[–]GhostSongX4 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
I refuse to use, what appears to be a Native American Money Lending company, that doesn't choose the obvious name: Indian Givers.
[–]Calloutman 9 points10 points11 points 7 months ago
I think this is meant to be a very short term loan, you'd only take it out to say, pay a bill or something, and then repay the loan with your next salary instalment. A week of interest isn't going to be too much.
[–]the_opinion 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago
It specifically mentions how many repayments
[–]ceejiesqueejie 14 points15 points16 points 7 months ago*
This is predatory. They're counting on the people who need money and don't have it taking out their loans, people who are desperate and stupid enough to take quick cash.
[–]Uninterested_Viewer 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
Not necessarily. Unsecured credit for the under banked is very risky and they likely have losses in the 10%+ range. My bank only offers this sort of loan up to $500 at about 200% apr, but the payback period is 2 weeks max and automatically withdrawn.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago
It's not predatory. The kind of people who are taking out paycheck advance style loans are the kind of people who are incredibly risky to lend to. The interest rate may be a little too high in this case, but for the most part its commensurate with the risk of lending to them.
[–]jts5009 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago
That's the premise of every loan ever. Some are predatory, some are not. This one probably is. A loan at 2% probably is not. I qualify both statements with the word "probably" because in certain situations, a lender of last resort like the one in the picture is a beneficial addition to the economy, as they provide a short term influx of cash to the person who would otherwise b unable to get anything.
Also noteworthy is that these loans usually aren't for $5000, and they usually aren't repaid over 84 months. Typically, someone is $100 short on rent for a month, so they'll borrow at these astronomical rates. Can it be a problem? Absolutely. The outcome a lot of the time is people getting stuck in a spiral of debt. Thanks to paying interest on the $100 they took out for January's rent, now they're $150 short next time around.
All of these things must be taken into consideration at loan origin. A loan, in and of itself, is not predatory. It doesn't become predatory until the institution providing the loan fails to adequately discuss all risks with the potential debtors.
[–]arbivark 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
you know for sure that the local little league is going to throw the big game tomorrow. you could make some big money if you only had $500 to bet. so you call sky-high,and pay them back in three days. that's how their customers think.
or, you meet a guy whose brother has a grow-op,and he will sell you a pound of weed for $400. so you call sky-high,and plan to pay them back in three days.
if you have your car title to put up as collateral, you can get a better interest rate.
[–]subsequent 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Confirmed.
[–]SRowan 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
That's over $40,000 for a $5,000 loan? Truly WTF.
[–]trebiluk 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
....dependent on underwriting GUIDLINES.... not dependent on English....
WOW.
[–]themightybaron 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
A fool and his money are soon apart.
[–]itscrunchtime 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
It's not as bad if you consider the time value of money
[–]msiekkinen 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I bet they're friends with Ticketmaster on facebook
[–]wtf_apostrophe 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
You think that's bad? Try 4,214%. Fuck.
[–]zoo32 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
And I'm assuming that interest compounds - you could pretty much fuck someone over for the rest of their lives assuming they don't file for bankruptcy - good job America!
[–]Anal_Justice_League 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
'too borrow'
~sigh~
[–]Drensk 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Too borrow..
[–]acog 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The OP is highlighting a typo in the ad. It meant to say 48 months. The interest rate is right in the ad: 116.7%, which is $486 per month for 48 months. Total payments $23,355, which does indeed work out to 117% interest compounded over 4 years. Which is still outrageous but not quite as bad as the typo makes it seem.
[–]spider2544 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
The mafia has better rates, and less damaging consequences for missing a payment.
[–]glassonion87 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
They're just getting back at whitey
full disclosure: I'm whitey
[–]91Jacob 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
This is nothing compared to the shit Wonga does. With a representative APR of 4,214%, after seven years of no repayments made on a £100 loan, you would owe no less than £23,500,000,000,000 (23.5 trillion pounds, around $36.5 trillion), almost tripling the US National Debt (estimated at $14.3 trillion).
While this is unlikely to happen, it still scares me that businesses are even allowed to use such a high APR.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago
"Wonga is committed to responsible lending."
[–]Canadian_Infidel 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Uh... I would gladly start a company that makes loans like that. How do I do it?
[–]jable91 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
So there are a lot of dumb people out there....i wonder if any of them got a loan from the wahwah indians and spent 7 years and $40,000 actually paying it, jesus christ fuck the world.
[–]ctini1189 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
too borrow? Is it just much too borrow? Need to tone down the borrow level because it's too borrow?
[–]thepopdog 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
I guess you could say they are being a bunch of INDIAN GIVERS
[–]TheKloKloYo 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Are you fucking kidding me.
[–]BrokenInternets 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
By slowly financially crippling other underprivileged minorities the native Americans are exacting their revenge on the white man.
[–]mzr 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Paleface has fucked us for years, now it is our turn.
[–]dbbo 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Link to the actual company website: http://www.westernsky.com/General/Rates.aspx
[–]werdunloaded 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Forever A-Loan
[–]CreamWithinADream 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago
Payback for the Indian Removal Act.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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