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Leviticus 19:28 (imgur.com)
submitted 8 months ago by Grandiloquent
[–]HappyGoPink 55 points56 points57 points 8 months ago
Wow, that's really...permanent.
[–]GgMc -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 months ago
No, it really isn't.
[–]Flux_Equals_Rad 28 points29 points30 points 8 months ago
"If you are unsure how to interpret the results, please do not claim the results of this tool as proof of anything."
Please, explain to me how this works.
[–][deleted] 8 months ago*
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[–]Flux_Equals_Rad 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
I just searched for Tattoo Wording on google and put one of the pictures through the system. It came out with this. So this one is fake as well then, or am I reading it wrong?
[–]ConsectorVerum 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Yes, because his freckles and the reflected light (below the arm) were added later on. Makes perfect sense.
[–]Rockran 12 points13 points14 points 8 months ago
That site is a crock of shit, it is a completely worthless program that no-one worth their salt would ever use.
IT DOES NOT WORK
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Just because you don't know how to interpret the results doesn't mean it's useless. It just means amateurs shouldn't pretend they understand the analysis.
[–]Rockran -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago*
The Lord works in mysterious ways, right?
If parts of the image are from different source files, they may have been saved a number of different times, and thus they will stand out as a different colour in the ELA test.
The non-shopped images lit up like Christmas trees, but the clearly shopped one was silent, the explanation is rather simple really.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago*
It works sometimes. That doesn't mean it's infallible or easy to interpret. I'm not saying it's a perfect system, or even a highly-effective one, but if you know what exactly it does and how it's supposed to work, it can be helpful. If you don't, then it won't do anything except confuse you.
Your quote:
If parts of the image are from different source files, they may have been saved a number of different times,
Maybe the photo was originally not a JPEG, and therefore the algorithm can't interpret it. Maybe the dude got lucky and ended up using two images that had a very similar number of saves. The point is that just because it has problems doesn't mean it's completely worthless. Newtonian mechanics is an imperfect way of describing the world but nonetheless happens to provide models which are very useful in the hands of someone who knows their limitations. Likewise, Google PageRank happens to be susceptible to all kinds of SEO schemes and gaming that lets sites appear far higher in search results than they should. Just because a tool has problems doesn't mean it's useless. JPEG error level analysis is ultimately a flawed but sometimes helpful way for someone who understands how it works to observe potential areas where an image has been edited, nothing more. It only becomes completely useless in the hands of someone who doesn't understand what they're looking at or assumes that it's a magical tool that can perfectly and accurately detect photo manipulation 100% of the time with no false positives.
Maybe you should read this part of the explanation, too:
It is worth noting that edges and areas red in colour are often depicted as brighter in the ELA tests. This due to the way the photos are saved by various programs. It is not proof that image was manipulated. If you are unsure how to interpret the results, please do not claim the results of this tool as proof of anything.
It is worth noting that edges and areas red in colour are often depicted as brighter in the ELA tests. This due to the way the photos are saved by various programs. It is not proof that image was manipulated.
If you are unsure how to interpret the results, please do not claim the results of this tool as proof of anything.
In response to your last claim
From the FAQ:
If the results from the ELA tool show an image which is all bright, it does not indicate that a photo has been manipulated (quite the opposite actually). What does indicate manipulation, is different levels of brightness throughout the image. If certain sections of the image have noticeably different levels of brightness, it is a strong indicator for further investigation.
And:
If a picture has been resaved many times, or if a picture is of a very low jpeg quality, it is quite difficult to determine accurately whether it has been digitally altered. Likewise, if all parts of a picture have been saved the same amount of times, it will not pick up either. This tool is set up to work on high quality jpeg photos (95% quality), and as such, if it is run against lower quality photos, the results can be harder to interpret. Just because this tool does not show any sections of the image at differing quality levels, doesn't mean the image hasn't been manipulated. If all the source images are all of the same quality (or all of poor quality) then it likely won't show much.
If a picture has been resaved many times, or if a picture is of a very low jpeg quality, it is quite difficult to determine accurately whether it has been digitally altered. Likewise, if all parts of a picture have been saved the same amount of times, it will not pick up either. This tool is set up to work on high quality jpeg photos (95% quality), and as such, if it is run against lower quality photos, the results can be harder to interpret.
Just because this tool does not show any sections of the image at differing quality levels, doesn't mean the image hasn't been manipulated. If all the source images are all of the same quality (or all of poor quality) then it likely won't show much.
edit: I should also note that this is meant to be used in conjunction with a variety of other tools. This is an article which shows ELA being used alongside direct inspection of the image for obvious mistakes, analysis of the image's metadata, JPEG fingerprinting, a luminance gradient and a high-frequency noise test. Relying on a single method is pointless, especially if you don't know what you're doing.
[–]MidnightTurdBurglar 8 points9 points10 points 8 months ago
"It is worth noting that edges and areas red in colour are often depicted as brighter in the ELA tests."
[–]Rockran 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago*
I guess the small freckle (or is that a mole?) above the letter 'a' in "make" is fake too? That sucker lit up!
Or some parts of the reflection of the stool in the bottom of the image?
The program is shit.
[–]scragar 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It's good when used right by people who understand it, here the sharp edges and deep contrast would provide a false positive.
Anyone who understands how this sort of image resolution comparison works would not bother running the test.
[–]cahkontherahks 23 points24 points25 points 8 months ago
Thanks for doing that to your body so we could all get a laugh.
[–]caxaar 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Somehow I highly doubt he did it so the internet could get a laugh.
[–]badash13 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
you never know these days.
[–]caxaar 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
also true, i just try to have some little bit of faith in people.
[–]badash13 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
the internet got rid of that for me long, long ago.
[–]caxaar 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
ehh i try to remain optimistic.
[–]lilgreenrosetta 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Really? I think that's exactly why he did it.
[–]Carg72 39 points40 points41 points 8 months ago
Ironic tattoo is ironic.
[–]jaynap1 -10 points-9 points-8 points 8 months ago
Out of context tattoo is out of context and doesn't apply.
[–]ConsectorVerum 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
While this was badly worded, it was still funny. I wonder if the downvoters actually got the joke...
[–]jaynap1 -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
Doubtful, but it also wasn't a joke. That verse has nothing to do with random tattoos. It's referring to tattoos that the Egyptians and other countries would mark themselves with as a superstition in times of grief. Those tattoos were meant much as placing coins with the dead would allow them to pay the ferryman on the river Styx - as an aid to those dead and in the Underworld. If not that, they would cut themselves in sheer grief.
Israel was in the midst of being instructed on how to separate themselves by the Lord, because they were/are His chosen people. This isn't a "no fun" type thing, it's a "this is what other people do, don't be like them" rule.
The scripture, taken out of context, loses all original meaning.
[–]ConsectorVerum 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
This is actually interesting. I don't know why you're being downvoted so much (might have come on a little strong with that first comment)
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[–]mgregory_xyz 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
I agree. I don't get why many atheists see atheism as a response to Christianity and not as something worthwhile on its own. It seems hypocritical that if an atheist doesn't believe in theism, that his whole atheistic belief system would be a counter to theism. It's just a very defensive, insecure way of living.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
That's because atheism is a negative. Without theism, there would be no atheism. How can it be worthwhile on it's own if it wouldnt exist without theism? What else would it be about other than a response to theism and/or christianity?
[–]mgregory_xyz 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Oh I see what you're saying. I guess I disagree that atheism is a negative. Well, it's a negative in name only. It comes down to how you view atheism: Is it disbelief in religion, or disbelief in god? If it's religion, then yeah it is a reaction to theism. If it's god, then atheism can stand alone. And if it's both, then I think disbelief in god begets disbelief in religion. I suppose this a semantic argument now.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Well, it's a negative in name only
And an apple is an apple by name only.
Your view doesn't change facts. Atheism = the lack of a belief in a god(s).
Right. And so I guess my whole point is: Why does lacking a belief in god mean you have the right to say anything about others' religions or judge anyone? Why can't you just have faith in atheism? Many atheists bemoan Christian evangelism, but the vitriol and cynicism with which they attack organized religion is just as unproductive and annoying.
If you're caught up on the semantics of "atheism," then change the name of it so you're not tempted to constantly compare it to theism. "Godlessness" is its own religion, IMO.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Jesus tittyfucking Christ...
Lacking a belief in god does not give me the right to say things about others' religions, the constitution does. Why do I say offensive things about religion? Because religion is bad.
Im not caught up in semantics, you seem to have the same skewed perspective of the word that America has given you. I'm giving you the definition. Despite what anyone has told you, it means nothing more than that.
If you're saying cynical things about atheists, you're stereotyping, and nobody can help you with that but you.
You can say things about Christians because being a christian is a belief system. Saying "Im a christian" means "I believe in x, y, and z" and defines who they are as a person. In contrast "I'm an atheist" simply means "I dont believe in x, y, or z" and nothing more. It says almost NOTHING as far as who I am as a person.
You understand the difference?
Haha yeah dude I understand. You win the argument.
[–]FoKFill 22 points23 points24 points 8 months ago
It's no more weird to me than someone who like LotR getting a LotR tattoo. I don't think they think it's real, they're just into it. And people can have pretty strong negative feelings about religion and christianity, enough for them to want to make a statement.
[–]bojang1es 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
I think a better analogy would be someone that isn't interested in or doesn't like LotR getting a LotR tattoo attempting to make a point about LotR. It really doesn't make sense.
[–]sinzor 16 points17 points18 points 8 months ago
Sure I think getting a tattoo of something you like is fine. This on the other hand is like getting a Team Charlie tattoo because you hate Twilight so much.
[–]YesNoMaybe 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Who's Charlie?
[–]reddit_bob 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Charlie is a bi-wining man with a body full of coke and tiger blood.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
No, you're thinking of Charlie Sheen. Charlie is the one who managed to fight the Nightman by becoming the Dayman.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
not really... if an Atheist got a Dawkins quote, or a Christian got a bible quote it would be as you say...
This is someone who has permanently changed their body with something they do not support/believe in. And to be honest, I bet he will have to explain the irony to some people "those who might simply glance at it" or he will be confused as a Christian with a bible quote lol.
I guess it could be a conversation starter though; for better or for worse.
[–]FoKFill -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
Maybe he's heavily into irony :)
[–]dustlesswalnut 12 points13 points14 points 8 months ago
Am I the only atheist that doesn't think atheism has a single fucking thing to do with the scientific method and reason?
Seriously, it's really confusing to me. I understand the scientific method and trust the bulk of what science has concluded, but I consider that to be completely separate from my atheism.
I know some dumbass atheists that say the same dumb shit about science that theists say about their god(s).
[–]Billy_Pilgrim 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
It's the same old ignorant "us vs. them" nonsense that permeates throughout society. Everyone has to hate someone else.
[–]dustlesswalnut 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
I take the more optimistic route and think of it as this:
Theists-turned-atheists are coming from a place of complete belief/faith in the supernatural, and jumping ship to the atheist camp leaves them with a big hole that their religion once filled, so they try to fill it with science.
In my case, I was raised completely without religion (I thought WWJD was a radio station until my Junior year of HS), so I wasn't supplanting one belief structure for another.
It doesn't really upset me-- another atheist against religion in our government is nothing to be upset about. It just confuses me.
I guess I'm a cynic. From my end (within the church,) we have our own us vs. them situations. But it's like that everywhere. Republicans, Democrats, Christians, homosexuals, liberals, West Ham, Millwall, Apple, PC. Frankly it's kind of nauseating that people don't have a "live and let live," way about them.
But really, Millwall sucks.
[–]addmoreice -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
Tell you what. When the Christians leave me alone I'll stop pointing at their stupid shit and laughing. It seems like of the two groups, I'm the one getting the raw end of the deal.
[–]michaelxlife 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
I understand the scientific method and trust the bulk of what science has concluded
Me too. You consider it separate from your atheism, and I consider it separate from my theism (Christian here, but saw your comment and had to reply). We happen to consider it separate because it is separate. Atheism, agnosticism, and theism are belief systems. Science is not. They're different.
Edited to clarify that I'm not attacking atheism in any way.
[–]dustlesswalnut 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Here's where I've got a problem with a lot of theists and atheists. I'd agree that agnosticism and theism are belief systems, but I don't agree that atheism is, at least not in my case.
Wikipedia says that atheism is "the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." While I understand that many current atheists came to atheism through the rejection of belief in god, I did not. I didn't reject anything, I just wasn't indoctrinated. I wasn't raised as "this religion is bad" or "that religion is good", it was simply not discussed. Not that it would have been punished if we tried to discuss it; it was just never a topic of conversation for us.
To me, that's like saying Christianity is "the rejection of non-belief in the existence of a deity." Both statements presuppose that every individual has already made a conclusion or chosen a belief system. While I may be the only person in the world who had not, I doubt that's possible.
I don't know what you were getting at by saying that you treat science as separate from your theism. I have no idea if you're a "earth is 6000 years old" christian or a "it's all parables" christian, but it doesn't matter to me. You can believe in whatever you want, and I'll support laws that protect your desire to practice your religion just so long as you support my desire to not have your religion-given morals forced on me.
Sorry if I'm rambling. I had to put my dog down yesterday and I'm kind of mindlessly blathering out words.
[–]jokkish 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
You're right, most of /r/atheism aren't "just" atheist, they're also anti-religious. Which is ironic since they're attaching more things to what "defines" atheism, and making it a religion. Sorta like what the Catholics did to what Jesus preached. We atheists use science and reason! NO, We atheists don't do shit, because there are no WE atheists. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god or gods. THAT'S IT, no more. No less.
-Atheist, Anti-religious,Pro-science & Reason.
[–]michaelxlife 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
What I meant in including atheism as a belief system was that you believe that deities do not exist. To me, rejecting a belief is different than not believing something exists, and in fact is a belief of its own. And I didn't mean to imply or state that atheism is specifically a rejection of belief, and as you said here you simply weren't indoctrinated and never reject anything. But to me that is still a belief on the subject. On this matter I'd say that Wikipedia's definition is wrong.
What I was trying to say when I said that I treat science separately is that although the Bible says that all life was created in seven days, this has been proved to not be true by science. Science, although not always correct (it's been known to be wrong in the past, simply by not having enough knowledge or technology to prove something) is factual to the extent that it can prove in an "as far as we know" way.
I was also comparing it to when you said you treat science as separate from your atheism. My post was majorly an agreement to that point (though to my theism instead of atheism).
You can believe in whatever you want, and I'll support laws that protect your desire to practice your religion just so long as you support my desire to not have your religion-given morals forced on me.
Thank you. And I will gladly support the freedom of choice in religion (or lack thereof). This is one of the reasons I felt comfortable posting in the atheism subreddit without turning this into a flame war. (And thank you Reddit for not turning this into a flame war.)
Don't worry, I don't think you're rambling. On the contrary, you make some very good points.
I'm sorry to hear about your dog. I hope you're doing alright.
[–]MidnightTurdBurglar 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Should a person who supports gay rights be silent about it? Should minorities who want equality not speak up for it?
What you are seeing here is a form of rebellion against an oppressive majority. We live in a society where religion is everywhere and controls people's lives and causes much harm. As an atheist, you cannot just sit back and say, "well, that's the way it is, I guess". You fight to get rid of this primitive superstition.
[–]mysquiddiedtoday 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I'm pretty sure a person who supports gay rights wouldn't get an ironic "GOD HATES FAGS" tattoo...
No, but they might carry around a bundle of sticks...on fire or something.
This is a horrible analogy by the way.
[–]TurboNerd 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Something to think about. This man could be a tattoo enthusiast and has heard from far too many people that tattoos are sin. However since this is the only visible tattoo in the picture it's hard to say.
[–]shattery 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Maybe it's the first.
[–]HaveaManhattan 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
If a man from the USSR got a tattoo of Calvin pissing on Stalin's face, would you understand?
[–]iemfi 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
I think one of the main reasons most people get tattoos is to be a badass. And what better way to be a badass than to make fun of the majority religion?
[–]wisenheimer 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
I THINK POSTING COMMENTS IN ALL CAPS IS EVEN MORE BADASS.
To me, it's not so much about poking fun, it's a small example pointing out the hypocrisy of biblical religions to the majority of them who dont know the bible says things like that because they dont point it out in youth service...
If we had it our way, religion and a "higher power" wouldn't have such a big impact on our lives. But it does. And it's something that we have to fight against in our daily lives.
Getting this tattoo makes 2 statements:
Im an atheist
If you believe in a biblical god, and have a tattoo, you're a hypocrite, and a sinner.
[–]Territomauvais 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
To be fair, it openly and haha, permanently, exposes the hypocrisy of Christians who cherry pick or haven't even read The Bible. [Most of them.]
If this guy is out in public a lot, I'd say the tattoo is great for our cause and just bad for him xD
[–]Zoolotak 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
openly and haha, permanently, exposes the hypocrisy of Christians who cherry pick
Only if their tattoo was "for the dead".
[–]ro4ch 11 points12 points13 points 8 months ago
Take that GOD!
[–]soundenvision[] 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
I like how it casually reminds you "I am the Lord" ... in case you forgot what you were reading
[–]everflow 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
That is sort of his shtick. "Hey guys, remember who freed you from slavery? Just checking you guys remember I freed you from slavery! Thanks for keeping that in mind!"
[–]TalkingBackAgain 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Why is the "I" at the end of the second line, when it would look better at the start of the third line?
[–]aaarggh 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
because not everybody is a designer?
I know, it's hard to understand sometimes, but it simply is a fact.
[–]TalkingBackAgain 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Not being a designer of some kind or other should be universally considered to be a character flaw.
[–]GZerv 9 points10 points11 points 8 months ago
I'm sorry but this is stupid.
[–]vVvRickter 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
No you are not, You are leviticus. Silly Jews.
[–]kaaredump 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
My son got killed at Utøya exactly six months ago, so i got this!!
Guess I'm going to hell...
[–]Grandiloquent[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
As a [fellow?] atheist I wish I could console you and say your son is in heaven waiting for your arrival, but I feel sorrowfully harsh in merely saying that what happened on Utøya is a senseless tragedy that bears no redemption (as far as I can perceive). All I can say is that I grieve for your loss... I didn't cry when I read the story of 77 deaths from shooting on that island, but I can't stop crying for knowing you've outlived your child; something that no parent should ever experience. I've re-read my comment at least a dozen times, to make sure that I'm not unduly harsh to you, but every time I re-read it I cry harder than the last time... I'm sorry your son is gone, but I can't say much more now, it hurts too much. I know you understand.
[–]kaaredump 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Thanks! It still hurts like hell, and yes, it would be nice to believe that I could meet up with him one day. But I know that it wont happen, so i try to cherish the hours, days and years we had together!
[–]PeteDarwin 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Funny for the first 5 seconds, but probably not worth a lifetime of having to live with/explain that joke...
It's not a joke. It's a statement.
[–]PaperbackBuddha 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Quotes like this remind me that much of the bible was a collection of city ordinances and HOA bylaws. I'm sure they had their share of OCD leaders, cutters, shellfish allergics, paranoid schizophrenics, snake oil salesmen and unwed teen mothers. Why do the faithful act as if the ancients were all guileless and virtuous, especially the ones who wrote things down?
[–]mmx64 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
I AM THE LORD!
Why does god have to end every sentence with that?
[–]j8ball007 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
That's really funny because it's ironic.
I agree.
[–]freakzilla149 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
As funny as that is for about 10 seconds you're stuck with that for life (or with an expensive tattoo removal).
Why go so far when you don't believe in their religion?
Look at the date of the picture on the bottom right. There's a great chance this isn't really OP's arm.
[–]freakzilla149 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Ok, I didn't necessarily mean the OP but the person who got the tattoo.
[–]JavaChef 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I have a memorial tattoo. One ticket to Hell, please.
[–]overflowTank 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
if i'm not mistaken, that simply an instruction for the priests.
[–]Tastygroove 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
You sure showed that bible who's boss.
[–]aeiowu 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
blah blah blah: I am the lord.
Typography is important. Mind the rag, people.
[–]MrPinkLives 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
My boyfriend got this as his first tattoo. He put it on his ass cheek instead though
[–]Grandiloquent[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Seems like a proper placement. Btw, (contrary to what many comments have denounced) this isn't my tattoo; I just found it intriguing. 'Grats to your boyfriend's adamantly secular tat', why'd he decide on that for his first ink?
[–]richie_gunn 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Definitely worth hiding that for the rest of your life for a few hundred upvotes of reddit karma from people you'll never meet.
It's not mine, and I doubt the (atheist) person who committed to this (permanent) tattoo did it for karma; s/he most likely did it to show the arbitrariness of the Biblical text in denouncing 'permanent markings' regardless of their content; hence the (ironic) Biblical passage.
[–]czechreck 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
You're taking it out of context.
Now beat up my girlfriend because she tried to teach me something.
[–]smirtch 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
I hope that this is fake... If it isn't I think you have kind of taken atheism a little too far... Get a tattoo of an atom, get a tattoo with a Hitch, Sagan, or Dawkins quote... This tattoo is permanent reminder of your hatred of the people that hate you, that is what we are fighting against. I am sorry but I hate that tattoo, and if it is real (as I feel you may have just done a good photoshop job) then you, sir, are as bad as them.
I believe this is photoshopped... There is no way it isn't. Any fresh tattoo has a nice old red outlining of everything. This picture lacks that. Also, I don't think anyone reasonable enough to accept atheism would be so unreasonable to get a tattoo that his friends and reddit will get a kick out of for a day or two and then be forgotten.
[–]HollowNuke 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
The picture has a watermark from a tattoo website and it's dated 2006. What do you think the odds are that it is actually the OPs arm? They are posting it for the irony.
[–]cport2227 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
"This tattoo is permanent reminder of your hatred of the people that hate you, that is what we are fighting against. I am sorry but I hate that tattoo" I'm sorry but this entire quote is hypocritical.
[–]smirtch 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
There is a difference between hating something and hating someone. While I grew-up my family forced religion down my throat, and had countless terrible experiences with the church. I was told to hate gays, at one point I was told to stop talking to my own uncle because he came out as bisexual and had found a boyfriend. I hate the church, resent it, despise it. But, there is a difference between hating the people and hating religion. Theists hate both atheism, and the people who call themselves such. We need to be above that. We hate religion and what it preaches, this does not mean that we must hate the people in that religion. That is why that quote isn't hypocritical. At first glance it may be, but when you delve into it's deeper meaning, rather than stay surface level, you will understand.
[–]emoney_33 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
There is a difference between hating something and hating someone.
There is no way to harbor hatred at something without affecting someone. You can't hate homosexuality and love homosexuals. You can't hate abortion and love those who get abortions. You can't hate murder and love murderers. You can't hate religion and love religious people. The thing itself is not tangible, hatred begets anger, and anger cannot be expressed at the intangible something and thus inevitably is expressed towards the tangible someone.
Not unless you use a very loose interpretation of the word hate.
We hate religion and what it preaches, this does not mean that we must hate the people in that religion.
Do not hate religion as hatred is a poison. Hatred of religion hurts religious individuals without doing anything to decrease religion's harmful effects.
[–]cport2227 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
It's just that after referencing hate, you say "this is what we are fighting against." If you are fighting against hate, it is counterproductive to say you hate things or people (anything). You can't fight against something you practice. Just say you don't agree with it or something.
Where do I start with this...The best ammunition you can use against a christian is their own book. This is why it's better than Dawkins or any other respected anti-theists.
This tattoo has nothing to do with hate. See Christians with tattoos? Think they know about this verse? Probably not. It's about raising awareness of hypocrisy.
You're absolutely right that he would be entirely unreasonable for someone to get a tattoo to impress his friends and Reddit.
I suppose it's unpossible that whoever did this did this for himself...
This person is either a genius Photoshop artist or an idiot... can't quite tell by the pixels.
[–]lenny1 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
My hunch is he's the latter.
[–]lilgreenrosetta 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I think the guy's an atheist and he's desperately trying to be funny and irreverent.
[–]nickytaco 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Does it go wonky at the end of the top line or do I just need my eyes checked?
[–]ertebolle 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Whenever I see the bible add "I am the LORD" to a particular goofy pronouncement, I always wonder whether it originally came from some practical joker hiding behind a bush: "I am the LORD" "Yes, Lord?" "Thou shalt not... Umm... Take thine goods to market... On a cart pulled by... Umm... A horse... With... A... White spot on its face?" "Thy will be done."
[–]Tfeth282 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Fuck da police!
[–]Nikiyols 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
New life goal: Own tatoo shop and put this on christian who get religious tatoos.
[–]imtooold21 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
You divided by zero o_0
[–]zoobiezoob 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
is it ironic or just jackass? What'd he do when he got to the bit about not raping his mother?
[–]Robo-Erotica 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I love how we need to be reminded that he is THA LAWD while reading a book based around him
[–]Carg72 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
"I am the Lord" is the biblical equivalent of "because I said so".
[–]xiipaoc 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I should just point out that the commandment doesn't prohibit tattoos, just tattoos as a form of mourning. If your college freshman friend dies, this commandment says that you're not allowed to mutilate yourself because of it. It doesn't say anything about not marking your body in general.
The passage prohibits cuttings as a form of mourning, but the part about "marks" (aka tattoos) is ambiguous. No marks for the dead?, or no marks at all?
It's open to interpretation, like the Vast (capital V) majority of the bible. (Regardless, it's silly to announce a prohibition against "marking" the skin when there are more drastic ways of altering yourself physical self (as if that matters) than tattoos)
I agree that the language is a bit ambiguous, but the fact that the two are in the same sentence seems to indicate that the natural interpretation is that they're both related to mourning rituals (presumably the mourning rituals of neighboring countries inspired these specific prohibitions) rather than a mourning ritual and something else totally unrelated. So I'd say it's open to interpretation about as much as the existence of God: yeah, it's possible that a divine being exists and planted those fossils, but you'd have to be pretty silly to actually believe it. ;p
[–]OldJeb 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I see what you did there.
[–]swazzi 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
What if we are understanding that verse incorrectly. What if --- God doesn't care if you cut yourself or put tattoos, as long as they don't say "I am the Lord"?
Did you even read the biblical quote? Sure it's ambiguous, but not THAT much so.
yeah I read it. And just like everyone else, we understand it differently.
[–]ivyt_123 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
singing voice>> Ohhh the irony (jazz hands)
[–]valiantX 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
This quote merely relates to one of the Ten Commandment, which is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." In my opinion, shouldn't thou shalt not kill have been written as a commandment preceding writing any graven image or is it because signs and symbols are more psychologically tied into the core of our being, such as psychoanalysts like Carl Jung has pointed out. Meaning somebody or some entities or group does not want the layman to know how to write or more importantly, understand what signs and symbols really mean and how they can empower the human consciousness... or manipulate it.
[–]Rhindon 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
IIRC that is actually a Commandment to not make idols.
[–]bbqrodeo 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Cool idea. Probably not forearm material imo.
[–]Volbeatsking 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
blasphemy. your doing it right.
[–]sixteenandpregnant 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I am the first to comment on how*** hideous ***the font is?
[–]thisisrequired 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Nailed it.
Clever tatoo.
[–]bemerick 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
irony
[–]dradam168 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Upvote for the commitment to being a hipster atheist.
[–]fudgebucket27 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I wonder what the tattooist was thinking to himself when he was doing this one
[–]JeremySmile 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
"Shit, I am a Christian that never read the bible, I have wasted my life"
[–]ryokea 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
"This joke is old already."
[–]TheCheshireMatt 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Was the lettering done that poorly on purpose to increase the irony?
[–]sinisterff -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
Not sure if being ironic, or just a stupid religious person
HMMM WHICH COULD IT BE I WONDER
[–]Carro94 -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
awesome
[–]DeeBoFour20 -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
hipster...
[–]ronin1066 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 months ago
I call fake
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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