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[–]Mnementh2230 2 points3 points ago

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"Who is Jesus, and why does he love me?"

"*christian spouts his sillyness about Jesus*"

"So you mean to tell me that a magic man in the sky created reality, made it look like it's not as old as it appears by all evidence to be, and after allowing mankind to live by atrocious rules for a long-ass time he impregnated a woman with himself so that he could convince himself to forgive humanity for a sin he damned them to himself? ... Are you sure you're feeling well? Do we need to get you to a hospital, or an asylum?"

[–]oh_okay_[S] 4 points5 points ago

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Oh trust me we had a looooooong conversation. I told him upfront I had no interest in offending him or trying to dissuade him from his beliefs, but he badgered me, so he got what was coming. He was really a nice guy but extremely misguided.

By the end of it he looked pretty defeated. Don't tangle with a Catholic school student turned Atheist, because I will call your bluff.

[–]Mnementh2230 3 points4 points ago

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NICE.

[–]CoAmon 1 point2 points ago

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I am quite curious what the contents of this conversation were. Do you think you could remember any of the conversation?

[–]oh_okay_[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Well it basically started in the garden of Eden and continued from there. We talked about the ten commandments, the nature of morality and where it comes from (me - the fact that we are human, him - God), the crucifixion, miracles, the origins of the bible, etc. His thesis was basically Jesus loves ME, and I need him to be a good person because the world has been cursed by sin. Also, a lot of argument over whether the bible was true - I recall trying to convince him that Harry Potter was real. And Santa. In retelling the story to someone, this was their favourite part

Him: uses Bible as evidence for argument

Me: Well men wrote the bible, God did not write the bible

He: Well they were inspired by God (emphatic, as was everything else he said)

Me: Well Stephen King in inspired too (then I had to explain who Stephen King was)

Me: J. K. Rowling had a dream and the story just came out of her. I mean even that idiot Stephanie Meyer saw Twilight in a dream, unfortunately for the rest of the world. Maybe God exists and they were inspired by God. Or maybe they had schizophrenia or personality disorder or a hearing problem. You can't know if they actually spoke to God.

Him: But I have a personal relationship with God

Me: Half the people on this bus probably have a personal relationship with something that you would argue doesn't exist - a delusion, another personality, Elvis. It doesn't mean I need to believe it, too.

[–]elbruce 1 point2 points ago

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Well it basically started in the garden of Eden and continued from there. We talked about the ten commandments, the nature of morality and where it comes from...

Genesis 3. If one believes in scripture, then Genesis 3 is extremely clear that humanity has knowledge of good and evil completely independently from having any relationship with God. So since the bible-thumpers know how we know good from evil, they can quit asking us.

[–]oh_okay_[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Exactly. He said at one point "even people deep in the jungles of the Amazon follow the ten commandments" because he felt this was evidence that God gave us morality. I couldn't believe the arrogance of that statement. I told him of course they did - the then commandments is a pretty basic moral code. It's not because of your list that we want to be good, you just ripped off that basic human urge for order and fairness and threw it into your religion. Also, it took all my self-control not to bring this up.

[–]elbruce 0 points1 point ago

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Him: But I have a personal relationship with God

Try this: No you don't.

I'd be seriously curious to hear how they could respond to that.

[–]oh_okay_[S] 0 points1 point ago

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That's just the thing though, he really did believe he had a personal relationship with God - something I have no problem with! But don't use this belief as evidence that I am somehow a deficient person because I don't, however benevolent your intentions are. He seemed as sure as someone talking about their mom, their boss, their best friend, etc. It's fine to reassure yourself that way, but I have personal relationships with real people who I figure make my life worthwhile enough as it is, thank-you-very-much.

[–]snarkfish 2 points3 points ago

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i just wanted a seat to myself

[–]Roobomatic 1 point2 points ago

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"That mexican that lives on the 3rd floor? I know, I got a restraining order against him a few months back."

[–]Nikiyols 0 points1 point ago

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hahahahaha

[–]edtasty 0 points1 point ago*

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This is when I instantly develop tourettes.