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Mohammed sees himself in the mirror... (3.bp.blogspot.com)
submitted 8 months ago by Chunkeeboi
[–]RockabillyRebel 5 points6 points7 points 8 months ago
Mohammad brushes his teeth?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Look up Miswak...
Oh, HERE...
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
Cleanliness is a very important part of Islam, pioneered by Mohammad (peace be upon him).
He once said, he would decree brushing your teeth before every prayer an obligation if it didn't cause hardship to the community.
Many say half of our worship is being clean. You can be sent to hell for neglecting to wash after urinating. Yes, being dirty is a sin.
We wash our hands, mouth, nose, face, arms, head, ears, neck and feet anywhere from 3-5 times a day before prayers.
You must have no trace of any excrement for any act of worship to count. You must wash after urinating, or defecating.
I can wear the same pair of pants for months (my mother wont allow it, but when I live in a dorm by myself, it will come to that) without any worry, because it never actually gets dirty. I wash after using the bathroom every single time.
You are required to wash and wipe off any filth with your left hand, so your right hand can stay clean for things like shaking hands. In my school, we walk on the right, so people shake with left hands. I make it a point to occupy my left hand with something so it doesn't seem weird when I reach around to shake with my right. I see it as an insult to shake someone's hand, whatever their religion with the same hand I clean myself with.
A real Muslim is a clean person.
[–]GrayGhost18 15 points16 points17 points 8 months ago
careful bro you'll get a bunch of angry muslims after you for showing the face of there messiah. they will come to your house and rape you with a splintery piece of wood
[–]keiyakins 7 points8 points9 points 8 months ago
And you'll get it for calling their prophet a messiah.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
I came here to say that. Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah.
[–]keiyakins 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I thought they considered Jesus a great man and one of the line of prophets that ended with Mohammed? I'm only very vaguely familiar with the basics of Islam.
[–]xenoamr 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
To be accurate, they believe that Jesus will be reincarnated once more too. That's what he meant by his comment I think
See SaoMir's response. Not reincarnated, as Muslims do not believe he died.
Muslims believe that Jesus will be back for judgement day to fight against the anti-Christ and some schools of thought say he will persuade those who worship him to denounce it and become Muslim.
[–]Chunkeeboi[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Nope
[–]entopan 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
ya, that's double trouble right there, front and back, yeesh..
Splintery piece of wood....hahaha
[–]Raual 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Something like this is what caused a Dutch newspaper to be bombed. Remember god loves all unless you show one of his children's image then fuck you.
[–]Barney21 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Mirrors do not apply, and neither do photographs. I'm pretty sure that there was a Fatwa about this in the 20s.
One of the many influences of Islamic thought on Christianity is iconoclasm. Arguably, the OT ban on graven images applies to Christians, but the idea never really caught on in the West. In fact, a lot of Charlemagne's mini revival of art was driven by Greek artists fleeing the iconoclasts.
[–]controlmath 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
The whole point of not drawing him in the first place was so that people wouldn't worship him and instead focus their worship on God. Unlike how Christians did with Christ. They were to forget him but retain his message.
So it's actually very ironic that someone would be threatened for drawing a picture of Muhammad in such a way, it shows that they hold him as higher than other human beings and thus are guilty of idolatry, which is a huge sin.
[–]Skwerl23 4 points5 points6 points 8 months ago
Funny thing is, he had to be this ccrazy to write the kuran
Funy thin it, yu tu stoopid tu spel, thin maak fon of Islam...
[–]JSLEnterprises -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago*
funny thing is, they were all crazy and high on opiates back then.
[–]texaschainsawjr -2 points-1 points0 points 8 months ago
*Quran.
[–]Dubanx 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
The word isn't native to english so there are multiple ways of spelling it correctly. Qu'ran, Quran, Ko'ran, Koran, and Kuran are all valid spellings. You're the one who's wrong here.
Exactly, it's phonetic
[–]Chunkeeboi[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
You say Muhammet, I say Mohammed...
[–]routari 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
The word isn't native to english so there are multiple ways of spelling it correctly. Pedofile, Paedofile, Pedophile, Paedophile, and Dirty'Bum'rape-pants are all valid spellings.
[–]OmegaVesko 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
There are multiple spellings. Kuran is perfectly valid.
[–]physics299792458 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Actually, the Quaran does not explicitly forbid Muhammed drawings.
[–]inashadow 6 points7 points8 points 8 months ago
Can you tell that to the dozens of people killed because someone somewhere drew such a picture? Or better yet just make a fatwa saying whoops it is fine to do so.
If you tell it to one muslim every second it will take you 60 years, 12 hours a day.
[–]Chunkeeboi[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Perhaps when you tell one, tell him to tell someone else. That will reduce your workload.
[–]physics299792458 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That will take about 9 hours. Good idea. Now we just need to make them listen...
The reasoning behind this is, people might bow down in worship before the drawings.
There was no logical reason for those murders. Those people were not tempted to worship the drawings. There should not have been a reaction at all. They were not thinking straight.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
I think it's the insulting part that gets them going.
If you would do a drawing of mohammed raping a western woman, I think no one would object.
[–]texaschainsawjr -1 points0 points1 point 8 months ago
You sound just as bad as a Christian saying that. Muslims are some of the most nicest, peaceful people out there. Just like with Christianity, the Muslim Extremist are the ones who get the attention, so the peaceful, accepting ones get lumped in with them.
[–]I_read_a_lot -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 months ago
My experience is that they are instead a very self-closed group of intolerant, violent, aggressive people, mostly doing lousy jobs in everything they are assigned to. They have a ongoing tendency to walk in your face and get as close as possible to you when they talk to you and object on something, and a unnerving tendency to move their fucking index finger in your face.
[–]texaschainsawjr 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
How can you sit there and actually say that? What the hell is wrong with you? You are just further proving my point that you are no better than those evangelical Christians!
Right now, you're targeting one single group of people to hate on. That's very close to racism.
We've all experienced diffrent things as we often interact with totally diffrent people. So telling someone their opinions are wrong before getting the full story could be considered rude if not disrespectful.
I'll make an assumption that you're from the USA. I also take that the muslim population in the USA have a diffrent political climate to adept to.
I am from northern Europe and from a heavily immigrated town where the majority is muslim. Everything you can blame christianity for in the past, have I've seen first hand being done by muslims in modern times.
I don't blame all. That would be truly aweful. I can honestly say that I've met a couple of good muslims in my days, but often of the older generation. BUT! there's also a collective responsibility as a community to uphold whatever image you want the other communities to have of you. This goes for all communities.
I don't know too much of the muslim community in my town as it's very underground yet loud mouthed when it comes to the dumb shit.
So I can only make a picture of what i've seen and heared myself. Where of my first comment.
There are bad groups of people in every culture. Whether it be Muslim, Christian, or Atheist. I just don't like seeing people lump together a group of people based off of what a very small group of people does or did. Maybe pickup a history book and read about how peaceful and and amazing the Muslim vulture is. Better yet, pick up a Quran. I'm far away from religious, but it's good to have an understanding for all things before you bash it based off of a few encounters you've had with it.
[–]I_read_a_lot 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago*
There's nothing wrong with me. It's the experience I had, from a sample of people from that community. I am not implying that the community as a whole has this characteristics. I am implying that in a set of people from that community I found those characteristics. You are, in a sense, racist too, but you are not racist if you say positive remarks like you did, while you are if you say negative remarks ?
People are a statistical distribution around some sort of "common set of ideals", which is the average behavior of that group. There are those who fall in the middle, and those who fall far from it. We had two different samples of the community that produce some result. Now how is statistically representative of the community is not for me or for you to say. Yet, if you were to pick an average person out of the community, you will most likely find characteristics of that community, which in addition, may behave differnently and have different characteristics depending on the geographical context yet falling into the same "classification". And for this, I am analyzing only the individuals. Communities may have emergent properties that individuals don't have. I stop here since I don't want to write a sociology paper.
[–]an_imperfect_lady 3 points4 points5 points 8 months ago
Islam is a choice, not a race. But apparently it's a choice we are never, ever, ever to criticize.
[–]I_read_a_lot 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
There are, as usual, multiple faces to the issue. You never know if it's cultural or religious. I mostly observe and keep into account behaviors that are reproduced equally among people with completely different cultural background and common religion. I found these characteristics reproduced consistently in a sample of around 10 individuals. I may be very hard pressed to say they are not religious-induced, and as you said, these are characteristics that the religion itself does not allow to criticize. Peer pressure and threats do the rest.
[–]an_imperfect_lady 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Sometimes I think the culture/religion thing is sort of a chicken-and-the-egg type of conundrum. I mean, it seems like many religious seeds are planted in every culture, but only the ones most congenial to the already-prevailing mindset flourish. That may be why so many Protestant religious have sprung up in America, but Scientology has few followers.
It seems to me that Arab culture was already violent and misogynistic (I mean, Mohammed actually had to TELL them to stop burying baby girls alive.) Islam fit into it like a hand into a glove.
What is the point of criticizing anyone's beliefs?
I don't see r/science going on a crusade against the flat earth society, or r/trees starting a campaign against people who don't smoke trees. Why does r/atheism have to attack every other group's beliefs?
Oh, I see...
Yes, understandable "One does not need to be a trained psychologist to know that some people with low self-esteem strive to compensate for their deficit by boasting, arrogance and conceited behaviour. What educated person does not know about compensatory mechanisms?"
[–]an_imperfect_lady 2 points3 points4 points 8 months ago
Because these other groups are quite vocal about their plans to bring everyone under their dominion. I am just not cool with that.
How am I racist in a way. Racism -rac·ism/ˈrāˌsizəm/ Noun: The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as... Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief. That definition defines exactly everything you're saying.
Ok, since you like the dictionary game, let's have it.
First, there's no "muslim race". A race is due to a visual racial characteristic making a person different by virtue of aspect. Even within the muslim community there are extremely strong ethnic (not racial) repulsions, such as between berbers and arabs, and between iranians and arabs. They hate each other.
If we go on to analyze what you just posted,
"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race"
Let's define race as the mostly known "white/black" racial distinction. A racist statement would be "all blacks are extremely good dancers". Another would be "all blacks are criminals". These are racial (and racist) statements, according to the above definition. Note that everyone gets uppity for the second one, but not a lot of people would at the first one. "all blacks have huge dicks" will certainly be a racist statement no black will be offended from. Yet, they are racists according to the definition. Note that those statements generally imply a behavior as correlated with an aspect, which may hold, but this correlation is not causal. Racism is to assume without any effective data to sustain this, that there's a causal correlation between the color of the skin and the criminality. There may be another factor, poverty, in place. If a real, scientifically demonstrated correlation were found, oh well, that would be a problem, but it would still be a fact regardless how you don't like it. The hope is that a sensible education strategy would be set in place to mitigate an innate tendency, putting more attention on potentially troublesome individuals, due to genetic markup, regardless if this genetic markup has a visually recognizable component or not.
"esp. so as to distinguish it as... Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief."
Prejudice or discrimination, ok. Prejudice is not necessarily negative. A prejudice is an opinion you may have without any data concerning the individual person. Definition:
*Prejudice (or foredeeming) is making a judgment or assumption about someone or something before having enough knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy *
Discrimination is certainly negative. Note that in my statement I haven't said nor prejudice (I had actual data on some elements of the set, that is, actual people claiming muslim faith) nor discrimination (did I say they should go on the back of the bus?).
That definition defines exactly everything you're saying.
And here comes the second part. As I said, there's no muslim race. There's a muslim religion. This religion teaches explicitly some behaviors that apparently are, from my experience with my dataset, intrinsic in the religion and/or zeitgeit of the muslim population, having found them consistently across muslims coming from completely different parts of the world. I am therefore more tempted to say that they are part of the common cultural lore which, according to the mechanism of strong ties between state/religion/culture which is typical of muslim countries, permeates the average population. I find these behaviors inappropriate, aggressive and impolite, like I find the behavior of an American going around with his SUV and a gun in the drawer as inappropriate. I don't necessarily assume that a random American I meet around has a SUV and shits on the kyoto protocol, but I know that culturally, there's a probability that this may be verified, although I also consider bias of sources that may drift these expectations at a higher rate than it actually is.
I respect that you have given a well thought out counter argument, but what has been said has been said. You said some very derogatory things that I, and I'm sure many other people, found extremely offensive. True, racism may have not been a good word to choose, maybe prejudice would have been a wiser word to choose. You chose, and still continue, to generalize a type of religion/people based off only what you yourself has experienced. That my friend, is pure ignorance.
You must talk to the Muslims that I know. Better yet, talk to me personally, I'll never treat you like that. It is part of the religion to treat others, even non-Muslims with respect. I guess r/atheism forgot to mention that.
Its explicitly forbidden in their Sharia. Any imitation of the prophet or god is forbidden because the ancient middle east society was plagued by the worshiping of statues in general.
While Muhammad's generation wouldn't worship his statue, there was a fear that the upcoming generations would.
I didn't knew that. It makes it much easier when people have to make up their own version of a holy character. There is a pattern where people don't talk specifically about the god they worship, like how do he look like or what does he actually do, how do we know he is all powerful and knows everything, it's like it's forbidden because then people imagine stuff, write it down and show it to others, which would immediately disagree and start fighting about which version is correct.
The major issue that at the time Islam came, people were so uneducated and naive to the extent that they could worship a picture or a sculpture and pray for it and give it animal sacrifices, ...etc
This, of course isn't an issue now in these modern times. This is merely a mechanic left from the ancient times when there was a need for it, yet we cant ignore it because ((god said so)) xD
How god or Muhammad looks isn't really a point of interest for most Muslims now, yet extremists are making a huge fuss over it.
[–]physics299792458 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Religion renews itself but keeps the same book. If you sent people that believed in God today 500 years back in time, many would be thrown out of their own churches or would feel it pretty awkward due to the changes that is not noticeable for a person that believes it's always been this way. Nobody asks what is "my religion" in terms of history or where does the knowledge I have come from.
Thats the argument of Islam vs Christianity. Islamist are proud that the Quran was unchanged since its conception, and discredit Christianity due to the different versions of the bible that exist now
Quran is considered their miracle and is supposedly true for any age and any culture that embraces it. Any change in it is forbidden.
[–]Wizzdom 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
Mirrors shall be smitten.
[–]TheOnlyAshta 1 point2 points3 points 8 months ago
Mirrors are smitten... with me.
[–]linearcore 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
That would be smōtten sir, the past perfect tense of "to smite."
[–]Dfwflyr 0 points1 point2 points 8 months ago
I'm sorry, but years ago South Park pictured Mohammad in an unoffensive manner. Then all of the sudden the Muslim religion says he is not to be pictured. no disrespect but most people find it kind of hard to take something seriously when it is not consistent.
TIL South Park did something that wasn't offensive...
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